Well, you can have two cartoons. You know. Both are cartoons. But you can say that even though you don´t like cartoons, if you had to pick a winner, you could say wich one you tjhink looks better of them two. Get it? Is this really that hard to get? My english must suck...
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said.
And what question is that? This one? "That is how I orginally understood it and my reply is then still the same 'darkfall looks like a cartoon but wow looks better'". It´s simple. Here´s what I´ve been saying over and over again. BOTH looks like cartoons, both look bad in my eyes. But if I had to pick a "winner" of WoW and DF. Then WoW at least has SOME style.
I KNOW!!
That is exactly as I understood you the first time.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
Well, you can have two cartoons. You know. Both are cartoons. But you can say that even though you don´t like cartoons, if you had to pick a winner, you could say wich one you tjhink looks better of them two. Get it? Is this really that hard to get? My english must suck...
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said.
And what question is that? This one? "That is how I orginally understood it and my reply is then still the same 'darkfall looks like a cartoon but wow looks better'". It´s simple. Here´s what I´ve been saying over and over again. BOTH looks like cartoons, both look bad in my eyes. But if I had to pick a "winner" of WoW and DF. Then WoW at least has SOME style.
I KNOW!!
That is exactly as I understood you the first time.
THEN WT... IS THE QUESTION THAT YOU THINK I´M AVOIDING!?!?!?!?
As I recall the developers of Darkfall have seen how truly awful the game is and have pulled into developing Darkfall 2.0 which is almost assuredly going to wipe any and all characters and items from Darkfall the original iteration.
You only do that to your current player base if your game is so shotty that you are forced to piss off your loyal veterans in a gamble to get more people playing.
In short the game sucks, they are attempting to make it suck less.
I think Everquest 1 was in production about as long as Darkfall has been before they made Everquest 2. I dont think making a second version is very good evidence of a bad game, do you?
You are making an incorrect comparison. As Everquest 1 and Everquest 2 are alive at the same time.
The only wayour comparison would be valid is if they burned EQ1 to make EQ2. Which is exactly what Adventurine is going to do with Darkfall.
No comparison to be made. The closest comparison that you would make is the NGE and SWG. Which is exactly what is going to happen with Darkfall.
you say..' Which is exactly what Adventurine is going to do with Darkfall'.
links to public statement from AV please because the community has been asking about what is going to happen to darkfall1 for a long time and havent gotten an answer. I wasnt aware that you had the answer the whole time!
Read your beloved Darkfall forums. The silence speaks for itself. The developers haven't said they are going to wipe but its widely accepted that they are. You figure it out haha... It's not worth my time to ponder if it is or isn't.
If you want to have a conversation about the merits of Darkfall. You can have one but to think it's anything other than a failure is just making you look foolish.
I wish that it was a fantastic game. I wish that it was a sandbox that catered to all the different MMO players instead of just hardcore PvPer.s... And this is from a hardcore PvP'er. SInce the days of Ultima Online as a Dread Lord in the Karas Hur army.
I wish the game had more options for combat and skills. I wish that not every player could max every single skill.
They dropped the ball with Darkfall online. It sucks, bad.
I am hopeful that the LOOOOOONGSHOT gamble that is and will be Darkfall 2.0 will address them but I dont see it. They still cater to one group of players instead of all of them. You have to have all of them to have a playable medieval fantasy sandbox game and do well.
You need the sheep herders, the roleplayers, the tradesmen, the PvE'ers, the achievers, the explorers... and lastly you need the wolves, the pvpers, the thieves.
You need many more sheep than wolves or your sandbox will fail which is exactly what happened here... Faaaaar too many wolves.
As I recall the developers of Darkfall have seen how truly awful the game is and have pulled into developing Darkfall 2.0 which is almost assuredly going to wipe any and all characters and items from Darkfall the original iteration.
You only do that to your current player base if your game is so shotty that you are forced to piss off your loyal veterans in a gamble to get more people playing.
In short the game sucks, they are attempting to make it suck less.
I think Everquest 1 was in production about as long as Darkfall has been before they made Everquest 2. I dont think making a second version is very good evidence of a bad game, do you?
You are making an incorrect comparison. As Everquest 1 and Everquest 2 are alive at the same time.
The only wayour comparison would be valid is if they burned EQ1 to make EQ2. Which is exactly what Adventurine is going to do with Darkfall.
No comparison to be made. The closest comparison that you would make is the NGE and SWG. Which is exactly what is going to happen with Darkfall.
you say..' Which is exactly what Adventurine is going to do with Darkfall'.
links to public statement from AV please because the community has been asking about what is going to happen to darkfall1 for a long time and havent gotten an answer. I wasnt aware that you had the answer the whole time!
Read your beloved Darkfall forums. The silence speaks for itself. The developers haven't said they are going to wipe but its widely accepted that they are. You figure it out haha... It's not worth my time to ponder if it is or isn't.
If you want to have a conversation about the merits of Darkfall. You can have one but to think it's anything other than a failure is just making you look foolish.
I wish that it was a fantastic game. I wish that it was a sandbox that catered to all the different MMO players instead of just hardcore PvPer.s... And this is from a hardcore PvP'er. SInce the days of Ultima Online as a Dread Lord in the Karas Hur army.
I wish the game had more options for combat and skills. I wish that not every player could max every single skill.
They dropped the ball with Darkfall online. It sucks, bad.
I am hopeful that the LOOOOOONGSHOT gamble that is and will be Darkfall 2.0 will address them but I dont see it. They still cater to one group of players instead of all of them. You have to have all of them to have a playable medieval fantasy sandbox game and do well.
You need the sheep herders, the roleplayers, the tradesmen, the PvE'ers, the achievers, the explorers... and lastly you need the wolves, the pvpers, the thieves.
You need many more sheep than wolves or your sandbox will fail which is exactly what happened here... Faaaaar too many wolves.
Read your beloved Darkfall forums. The silence speaks for itself. The developers haven't said they are going to wipe but its widely accepted that they are. You figure it out haha... It's not worth my time to ponder if it is or isn't.
If you want to have a conversation about the merits of Darkfall. You can have one but to think it's anything other than a failure is just making you look foolish.
I wish that it was a fantastic game. I wish that it was a sandbox that catered to all the different MMO players instead of just hardcore PvPer.s... And this is from a hardcore PvP'er. SInce the days of Ultima Online as a Dread Lord in the Karas Hur army.
I wish the game had more options for combat and skills. I wish that not every player could max every single skill.
They dropped the ball with Darkfall online. It sucks, bad.
I am hopeful that the LOOOOOONGSHOT gamble that is and will be Darkfall 2.0 will address them but I dont see it. They still cater to one group of players instead of all of them. You have to have all of them to have a playable medieval fantasy sandbox game and do well.
You need the sheep herders, the roleplayers, the tradesmen, the PvE'ers, the achievers, the explorers... and lastly you need the wolves, the pvpers, the thieves.
You need many more sheep than wolves or your sandbox will fail which is exactly what happened here... Faaaaar too many wolves.
no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.
sorry
just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Read your beloved Darkfall forums. The silence speaks for itself. The developers haven't said they are going to wipe but its widely accepted that they are. You figure it out haha... It's not worth my time to ponder if it is or isn't.
If you want to have a conversation about the merits of Darkfall. You can have one but to think it's anything other than a failure is just making you look foolish.
I wish that it was a fantastic game. I wish that it was a sandbox that catered to all the different MMO players instead of just hardcore PvPer.s... And this is from a hardcore PvP'er. SInce the days of Ultima Online as a Dread Lord in the Karas Hur army.
I wish the game had more options for combat and skills. I wish that not every player could max every single skill.
They dropped the ball with Darkfall online. It sucks, bad.
I am hopeful that the LOOOOOONGSHOT gamble that is and will be Darkfall 2.0 will address them but I dont see it. They still cater to one group of players instead of all of them. You have to have all of them to have a playable medieval fantasy sandbox game and do well.
You need the sheep herders, the roleplayers, the tradesmen, the PvE'ers, the achievers, the explorers... and lastly you need the wolves, the pvpers, the thieves.
You need many more sheep than wolves or your sandbox will fail which is exactly what happened here... Faaaaar too many wolves.
no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.
sorry
just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
wouldn't it have been easier to answer if you asked "which modern mmo's aren't better then darkfall?" just to avoid the wall of text answers.
what I learned a long time ago when it comes to game forums and I have since forgotten that unlike in real life every single question or statement should end with ....[in your opinion] or [in my opinion] even though others are often allowed to post opinions as fact.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
Care to take on a bet? If DF 1 survives DF 2.0 I stop writing here at MMORPG. I just be hanging around reading post like your average Joe. But if they do shut down DF 1. You´ll do the same. WHat do you say? Deal or no deal? You could always make a new alt if you loose so no biggie. But at least we can wager something.
Editt. Also waiting for the question I was avoiding...
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
okay I can see the inferences aren't going to go away, here is a list of facts.
1) Darkfall is on life support.
2) Most prominent members of the PvP community that began in darkfall left immediately.
3) Darkfall has left its user base to persue a gamble.
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
Care to take on a bet? If DF 1 survives DF 2.0 I stop writing here at MMORPG. I just be hanging around reading post like your average Joe. But if they do shut down DF 1. You´ll do the same. WHat do you say? Deal or no deal? You could always make a new alt if you loose so no biggie. But at least we can wager something.
no I dont care to place a bet.
All I am asking is for people to not use what they think is going to happen in the future as positive fact for evidence to base their arguement on. besides the fact that I have watched TONS of darkfall poster become wrong time and time and time and time again over the lifespan of the game and all of them use massive amounts of evidence all which ended up slapping them in the face.
So to your question, when it comes to makeing arguements with facts i dont 'bet' on the facts.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
Care to take on a bet? If DF 1 survives DF 2.0 I stop writing here at MMORPG. I just be hanging around reading post like your average Joe. But if they do shut down DF 1. You´ll do the same. WHat do you say? Deal or no deal? You could always make a new alt if you loose so no biggie. But at least we can wager something.
no I dont care to place a bet.
All I am asking is for people to not use what they think is going to happen in the future as positive fact for evidence to base their arguement on. besides the fact that I have watched TONS of darkfall poster become wrong time and time and time and time again over the lifespan of the game and all of them use massive amounts of evidence all which ended up slapping them in the face.
So to your question, when it comes to makeing arguements with facts i dont 'bet' on the facts.
Well it ain´t a "fact" that it will shut down or not. Then we couldn´t make a bet. People make bets on different outcomes. Not on "facts". They can take such things as current state of game, and playerbase etc into consideration. But it´s still a gamble, and you can make a bet on it. You seem to think nothing will touch the dead broken game that is DF 1, I say that DF 2.0 will hopefully kill and bury DF 1.
And still waiting for the question I was avoiding. Edited that one in to late before.
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
Care to take on a bet? If DF 1 survives DF 2.0 I stop writing here at MMORPG. I just be hanging around reading post like your average Joe. But if they do shut down DF 1. You´ll do the same. WHat do you say? Deal or no deal? You could always make a new alt if you loose so no biggie. But at least we can wager something.
no I dont care to place a bet.
All I am asking is for people to not use what they think is going to happen in the future as positive fact for evidence to base their arguement on. besides the fact that I have watched TONS of darkfall poster become wrong time and time and time and time again over the lifespan of the game and all of them use massive amounts of evidence all which ended up slapping them in the face.
So to your question, when it comes to makeing arguements with facts i dont 'bet' on the facts.
Well it ain´t a "fact" that it will shut down or not. Then we couldn´t make a bet. People make bets on different outcomes. Not on "facts". They can take such things as current state of game, and playerbase etc into consideration. But it´s still a gamble, and you can make a bet on it. You seem to think nothing will touch the dead broken game that is DF 1, I say that DF 2.0 will hopefully kill and bury DF 1.
And still waiting for the question I was avoiding. Edited that one in to late before.
what were we oringally talking about because I have long forgotten I know it was about this though.
and to the question you were avoiding because its all linked the the statement of I KNOW! in huge bold letters above. I understood you the first time when you said darkfall and wow both look like cartoons but you perfer wow. I understood that the first time but you didnt think i did and then it turned into a massive cluster F
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
Care to take on a bet? If DF 1 survives DF 2.0 I stop writing here at MMORPG. I just be hanging around reading post like your average Joe. But if they do shut down DF 1. You´ll do the same. WHat do you say? Deal or no deal? You could always make a new alt if you loose so no biggie. But at least we can wager something.
no I dont care to place a bet.
All I am asking is for people to not use what they think is going to happen in the future as positive fact for evidence to base their arguement on. besides the fact that I have watched TONS of darkfall poster become wrong time and time and time and time again over the lifespan of the game and all of them use massive amounts of evidence all which ended up slapping them in the face.
So to your question, when it comes to makeing arguements with facts i dont 'bet' on the facts.
Well it ain´t a "fact" that it will shut down or not. Then we couldn´t make a bet. People make bets on different outcomes. Not on "facts". They can take such things as current state of game, and playerbase etc into consideration. But it´s still a gamble, and you can make a bet on it. You seem to think nothing will touch the dead broken game that is DF 1, I say that DF 2.0 will hopefully kill and bury DF 1.
And still waiting for the question I was avoiding. Edited that one in to late before.
what were we oringally talking about because I have long forgotten I know it was about this though.
and to the question you were avoiding because its all linked the the statement of I KNOW! in huge bold letters above. I understood you the first time when you said darkfall and wow both look like cartoons but you perfer wow. I understood that the first time but you didnt think i did and then it turned into a massive cluster F
I know you said that you understood, but you also said I was avoiding your question. I never saw a question from you. Here. Let me qutoe it again.
"Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Norpan
Well, you can have two cartoons. You know. Both are cartoons. But you can say that even though you don´t like cartoons, if you had to pick a winner, you could say wich one you tjhink looks better of them two. Get it? Is this really that hard to get? My english must suck...
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Well, most things with it was bad design. I mean, seriously. Do you think the no skill cap and HORRIBLE grind was good? Seriously? The PVP was good. No doubt about that. But that´s not where the problem is. It´s the freaking no skill cap and grind that scares every possible new player looooong away from this game. I sure hope they fix this with 2.0. And who would like to play a sucky version of DF when there might be a better one? Well probably only those few at the very top. That put in months to macroing their character up. The rest will pray to GOD that AV don´t f*ck it up once more. I sure hope they do fix things with DF 2.0. But the track record for AV ain´t to good, and who knows when it will actually get out. If ever.
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Well, most things with it was bad design. I mean, seriously. Do you think the no skill cap and HORRIBLE grind was good? Seriously? The PVP was good. No doubt about that. But that´s not where the problem is. It´s the freaking no skill cap and grind that scares every possible new player looooong away from this game. I sure hope they fix this with 2.0. And who would like to play a sucky version of DF when there might be a better one? Well probably only those few at the very top. That put in months to macroing their character up. The rest will pray to GOD that AV don´t f*ck it up once more. I sure hope they do fix things with DF 2.0. But the track record for AV ain´t to good, and who knows when it will actually get out. If ever.
you are stating a lot of things that one might suggest are opinion not fact. would that be out of line for me to suggest?
do I agree it was bad design? compared to all other mmos...no
if you for a momment, just a breif momment, remove the desire to win at pvp and start to look at every single solitary aspect of the game EXECPT for someone beating you at pvp because they cheat, would you disagree that ALL other aspects of the game totally and completely kick A$$ execpt for that one single problem?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Well, most things with it was bad design. I mean, seriously. Do you think the no skill cap and HORRIBLE grind was good? Seriously? The PVP was good. No doubt about that. But that´s not where the problem is. It´s the freaking no skill cap and grind that scares every possible new player looooong away from this game. I sure hope they fix this with 2.0. And who would like to play a sucky version of DF when there might be a better one? Well probably only those few at the very top. That put in months to macroing their character up. The rest will pray to GOD that AV don´t f*ck it up once more. I sure hope they do fix things with DF 2.0. But the track record for AV ain´t to good, and who knows when it will actually get out. If ever.
Actually the no.1 thing that scared most people away was the rampant hacking and cheating....
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Well, most things with it was bad design. I mean, seriously. Do you think the no skill cap and HORRIBLE grind was good? Seriously? The PVP was good. No doubt about that. But that´s not where the problem is. It´s the freaking no skill cap and grind that scares every possible new player looooong away from this game. I sure hope they fix this with 2.0. And who would like to play a sucky version of DF when there might be a better one? Well probably only those few at the very top. That put in months to macroing their character up. The rest will pray to GOD that AV don´t f*ck it up once more. I sure hope they do fix things with DF 2.0. But the track record for AV ain´t to good, and who knows when it will actually get out. If ever.
Actually the no.1 thing that scared most people away was the rampant hacking and cheating....
exactly.
was the graphics amazing for the other MMO options out at the time? yes
is the world amazing and crazy huge? yes
was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally
is the combat system better than any other MMO out at the time? yes
is the first fact you can craft boats and build cities amazing? yes
is the advantages of large team building and large group planning just amazing? yes
is the crafting very good for games of its time? yes
was naval combat better than any other MMO? easy yes
BUT because people cheated, because it takes a lot time to skill cap and because the game very honestly is just down right hard people trash EVERYTHING about the game.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Well, most things with it was bad design. I mean, seriously. Do you think the no skill cap and HORRIBLE grind was good? Seriously? The PVP was good. No doubt about that. But that´s not where the problem is. It´s the freaking no skill cap and grind that scares every possible new player looooong away from this game. I sure hope they fix this with 2.0. And who would like to play a sucky version of DF when there might be a better one? Well probably only those few at the very top. That put in months to macroing their character up. The rest will pray to GOD that AV don´t f*ck it up once more. I sure hope they do fix things with DF 2.0. But the track record for AV ain´t to good, and who knows when it will actually get out. If ever.
you are stating a lot of things that one might suggest are opinion not fact. would that be out of line for me to suggest?
do I agree it was bad design? compared to all other mmos...no
if you for a momment, just a breif momment, remove the desire to win at pvp and start to look at every single solitary aspect of the game EXECPT for someone beating you at pvp because they cheat, would you disagree that ALL other aspects of the game totally and completely kick A$$ execpt for that one single problem?
Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think it was our pal Tasos admitted that they made a wrong decision going with no skill cap. But it was to close to release to fix it, so they went with it either way, and then they were screwed.
And compared to every other MMO it still is BAD to have no skill cap. Now everyone in the game is a magemeleearcherhealertankshipbuildertailorarmorweaponcraftercook. Yeah, that´s REALLY good right?
And sad to say, but DF just as MO is mostly a PVP arena, but MO has SOME things that make it ALITTLE more of a sandbox. But still, none of them have gotten to the point to be called more then a PVP death match arena.
Did you just say DF's graphics were amazing for the time? I say a big no....
A lot of the other stuff was opinion, guess that could be too, but no matter how well intentioned or thought out something is, when you fail to deliver it in a good way, and people form a negative opinion of something, its nearly impossible, even if you fix most of the problems to right the ship...
My example is Vanguard, very bad problems, but they had eventually fixed a lot of the problems, and came out with raiding content that was fairly good, it had good classes, a pvp server, non-instanced housing, you could craft tons of things and it was a good system that made crafting stay viable, even with raiding (used some raid components to do so)...If it had released in the state it was when SoE had stopped supporting it much, it would of been a big hit imo...The damage was done though.
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I KNOW!!
That is exactly as I understood you the first time.
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Please do not respond to me
You ever been to an orgy...
BEST. MMO. EVER.
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
THEN WT... IS THE QUESTION THAT YOU THINK I´M AVOIDING!?!?!?!?
Read your beloved Darkfall forums. The silence speaks for itself. The developers haven't said they are going to wipe but its widely accepted that they are. You figure it out haha... It's not worth my time to ponder if it is or isn't.
If you want to have a conversation about the merits of Darkfall. You can have one but to think it's anything other than a failure is just making you look foolish.
I wish that it was a fantastic game. I wish that it was a sandbox that catered to all the different MMO players instead of just hardcore PvPer.s... And this is from a hardcore PvP'er. SInce the days of Ultima Online as a Dread Lord in the Karas Hur army.
I wish the game had more options for combat and skills. I wish that not every player could max every single skill.
They dropped the ball with Darkfall online. It sucks, bad.
I am hopeful that the LOOOOOONGSHOT gamble that is and will be Darkfall 2.0 will address them but I dont see it. They still cater to one group of players instead of all of them. You have to have all of them to have a playable medieval fantasy sandbox game and do well.
You need the sheep herders, the roleplayers, the tradesmen, the PvE'ers, the achievers, the explorers... and lastly you need the wolves, the pvpers, the thieves.
You need many more sheep than wolves or your sandbox will fail which is exactly what happened here... Faaaaar too many wolves.
Amen to this...
no, silence on the forums doesnt mean you can take say that Darkfall 1 will be shut down as a fact to base your arguements.
sorry
just like 'no one lives forever 2' and 'oblivon' both look like cartoons...NO!!!!!
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Never said that you made the inference, I do say that they are going to institute sweeping changes that will probably wipe your progression in the first iteration of their game Darfall. You can of course disagree with my assesment but you or I have no idea in actuality because they have pulled into their base and completely stopped all communication with their current playerbase.
You really have a bad habbit of reading something and making an inference that isn't there to be made. I am not sure if it's reading comprehension at fault or just your incessent fanboyism even when confronted with facts. But It would make your argument easier if you could stray away from doing either.
"Unbounded hope is a dangerous thing. It causes you to do things that don't make sense, take risks that are completely unwarranted, make foolish interpretations, and see things that aren't really there."
Other things many were completely positive would become fact that didnt.
1. That Darkfall 1 would never come out. [they were wrong]
2. That Darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. That mortal online would release much better as a game than Darkfall [they were wrong]
4. That mortal online would quickly bury Darkfall [they were wrong]
So I would be careful to use assumptions as facts.
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wouldn't it have been easier to answer if you asked "which modern mmo's aren't better then darkfall?" just to avoid the wall of text answers.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
I dont know for sure what will happen but I do think there is a good chance that there will be two seperate games EXACTLY like what is done with everquest.
Thing is
1. people thought Darfall 1 would never come out [they were wrong]
2. people thought darkfall 1 wouldnt last a year [they were wrong]
3. people thought mortal online would open up as a better game that darkfall [they were wrong]
4. people thought moral online would bury darkfall [they were wrong]
maybe for the purposes of this conversation we should stick to the facts we know and not try to infer future outcomes that are not explictly stated?
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what I learned a long time ago when it comes to game forums and I have since forgotten that unlike in real life every single question or statement should end with ....[in your opinion] or [in my opinion] even though others are often allowed to post opinions as fact.
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Care to take on a bet? If DF 1 survives DF 2.0 I stop writing here at MMORPG. I just be hanging around reading post like your average Joe. But if they do shut down DF 1. You´ll do the same. WHat do you say? Deal or no deal? You could always make a new alt if you loose so no biggie. But at least we can wager something.
Editt. Also waiting for the question I was avoiding...
okay I can see the inferences aren't going to go away, here is a list of facts.
1) Darkfall is on life support.
2) Most prominent members of the PvP community that began in darkfall left immediately.
3) Darkfall has left its user base to persue a gamble.
4) Darkfall is widely considered a failure.
5) Darkfall is given terrible reviews.
6) Servers dead and barren.
no I dont care to place a bet.
All I am asking is for people to not use what they think is going to happen in the future as positive fact for evidence to base their arguement on. besides the fact that I have watched TONS of darkfall poster become wrong time and time and time and time again over the lifespan of the game and all of them use massive amounts of evidence all which ended up slapping them in the face.
So to your question, when it comes to makeing arguements with facts i dont 'bet' on the facts.
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Well it ain´t a "fact" that it will shut down or not. Then we couldn´t make a bet. People make bets on different outcomes. Not on "facts". They can take such things as current state of game, and playerbase etc into consideration. But it´s still a gamble, and you can make a bet on it. You seem to think nothing will touch the dead broken game that is DF 1, I say that DF 2.0 will hopefully kill and bury DF 1.
And still waiting for the question I was avoiding. Edited that one in to late before.
what were we oringally talking about because I have long forgotten I know it was about this though.
and to the question you were avoiding because its all linked the the statement of I KNOW! in huge bold letters above. I understood you the first time when you said darkfall and wow both look like cartoons but you perfer wow. I understood that the first time but you didnt think i did and then it turned into a massive cluster F
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I know you said that you understood, but you also said I was avoiding your question. I never saw a question from you. Here. Let me qutoe it again.
"Originally posted by SEANMCAD
your just evading my question. I know what you meant and thus I stand by what I have said".
There you say I avoid a question and that you understand what I ment, and that you love cartoons. Still can´t find the question, so I guess you didn´t have one, cause I sure couldn´t find it from scrolling back.
1. the evading the question statement is NULL and VOID now that we both understand that I understood your orginal statement. the statement around 'evading' was somewhere (and now hench forgotten exactly where) around the subject of that misunderstanding. So for clarity lets move on.
2. The entire problem with is darkfall 1 going to be shut down or not is 1. nobody knows for sure so its wise to not assume as fact. and 2. even if it did shut down its horrible evidence that the game is not well recieved..why? because if you are a small company you might not want to run two games at once. you might want to take feedback from the past 3 years and make a better game. Its shaky to suggest that as evidence that the orginal game was bad.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Well, most things with it was bad design. I mean, seriously. Do you think the no skill cap and HORRIBLE grind was good? Seriously? The PVP was good. No doubt about that. But that´s not where the problem is. It´s the freaking no skill cap and grind that scares every possible new player looooong away from this game. I sure hope they fix this with 2.0. And who would like to play a sucky version of DF when there might be a better one? Well probably only those few at the very top. That put in months to macroing their character up. The rest will pray to GOD that AV don´t f*ck it up once more. I sure hope they do fix things with DF 2.0. But the track record for AV ain´t to good, and who knows when it will actually get out. If ever.
you are stating a lot of things that one might suggest are opinion not fact. would that be out of line for me to suggest?
do I agree it was bad design? compared to all other mmos...no
if you for a momment, just a breif momment, remove the desire to win at pvp and start to look at every single solitary aspect of the game EXECPT for someone beating you at pvp because they cheat, would you disagree that ALL other aspects of the game totally and completely kick A$$ execpt for that one single problem?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Actually the no.1 thing that scared most people away was the rampant hacking and cheating....
The last 5-6 years of mmos have sucked imo...I put DF in there too...Not saying the concept sucks, but execution did.
exactly.
was the graphics amazing for the other MMO options out at the time? yes
is the world amazing and crazy huge? yes
was the pve untouched by any other MMO out there? totally
is the combat system better than any other MMO out at the time? yes
is the first fact you can craft boats and build cities amazing? yes
is the advantages of large team building and large group planning just amazing? yes
is the crafting very good for games of its time? yes
was naval combat better than any other MMO? easy yes
BUT because people cheated, because it takes a lot time to skill cap and because the game very honestly is just down right hard people trash EVERYTHING about the game.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think it was our pal Tasos admitted that they made a wrong decision going with no skill cap. But it was to close to release to fix it, so they went with it either way, and then they were screwed.
And compared to every other MMO it still is BAD to have no skill cap. Now everyone in the game is a magemeleearcherhealertankshipbuildertailorarmorweaponcraftercook. Yeah, that´s REALLY good right?
And sad to say, but DF just as MO is mostly a PVP arena, but MO has SOME things that make it ALITTLE more of a sandbox. But still, none of them have gotten to the point to be called more then a PVP death match arena.
Did you just say DF's graphics were amazing for the time? I say a big no....
A lot of the other stuff was opinion, guess that could be too, but no matter how well intentioned or thought out something is, when you fail to deliver it in a good way, and people form a negative opinion of something, its nearly impossible, even if you fix most of the problems to right the ship...
My example is Vanguard, very bad problems, but they had eventually fixed a lot of the problems, and came out with raiding content that was fairly good, it had good classes, a pvp server, non-instanced housing, you could craft tons of things and it was a good system that made crafting stay viable, even with raiding (used some raid components to do so)...If it had released in the state it was when SoE had stopped supporting it much, it would of been a big hit imo...The damage was done though.