Point you're still missing is it doesn't matter if you or I have a difference of opinion. The ONLY thing that matters is what the game company deems an exploit and what they dont. In the end, if they say it is an unfair advantage, an exploit, and want to stop you from doing it, then stop doing it. It really is that simple. They told you it was wrong to do, so dont do it. You sign off on thier agreements when you play the game. The rules they set are the rules, you either play the game by the rules they set or you dont play the game. You dont like the rules, take it directly to them, send them an email just like they told you to do in thier official response to this issue.
Sorry if you dont agree with that, but since the beginning of time itself games have a set of rules which you must follow to play the game fairly. You follow the rules you do just fine, you dont, well you dont play the game for long. Disagree all you want, not going to change that fact in anyway.
The problem is how unclear it is what is and exploit and what isn't.
Take treasure hunting... i make all my money from it... I can just stand in a station sending my companions out to find lockboxes that contain credits... more credits than it takes to send them out on the mission. So I just stand there in the station... continously sending my companions out to find lockboxes while I stay alt tabbed watching videos or something....
It rediculously easy money that requires no movement or effort on my part... seems to good to be true.... so is it an exploit... am I gonna have to submit a ticket everytime i find something like this just to make sure I dont get banned for a mechanic that may or may not be broken?
Tell you what, when I get off work today I will pull up the agreement we ALL signed off on when we started playing this game, and I will find you the section that tells you all about using exploits and how its against the rules. I'll do ALL that work for you, find it for you, write it out here for you, I'll even explain it for you in simple terms, just so you dont have to work too hard to understand the rules you agreed to when you started playing this game.
Look people, if your ignorant wether by stupidity or laziness, its not an excuse for doing the wrong thing, either in this game or any other. Dont make up analogies as to why it should be allowed because you want it to be. Go get a brain, read the rules, live by the rules, and this will never be a problem. The only issue here is the select few who knowingly did something they knew was not the way the game was intended, they got caught, they got suspended for doing what was against the rules. The company was nice to the ones that weren't doing it for profit and banned those that were.
I have zero sympathy for anyone who is dishonest in life or tries to cheat thier way through it, in any aspect including in a game. If your personal morales are that shallow that you believe you have the right to do morally wrong things, dishonest things, just to better yourself at the expense of all others around you, well then your not the type of person I would ever want to know in real life. Your scum, sorry if you dont like that, but its that way I feel. I have no place in my life for cheaters, liars, or users. Maybe your morals are more slack then mine, fine, you go about your life being however you want, its your life. I'm not going to stop you here.
OK how is looting a chest that respawns every 10 minutes an exploit? Exploit means that you are taking advantage of an obvious bug....chests respawning is not an obvious bug.... so yeah.
I understand about the rules and dont use exploits and blah blah blah.... what im saying to you is what bug was taken advantage of here... what variable was bugged in the situation mentioned... the chest? the player being there? the respawn timer?
And how do you know the game wasnt inteded for that... is it intended for me to stand around in a safe station sending out crew memember to farm materials from advanced missions crew skills that are clearly way above my level to sell for profits that are way above my level? Is that bannable...
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
Originally posted by illorionExploit means that you are taking advantage of..
..flaw which may be a faulty code or design.
In this particular case players took an advantage of containers yielding excessively high rewards when compared to regular, intended game play and player level.
Didn't they know the rewards are excessively high? I then have to question what they were doing there for so many hours...
It isn't as clear cut as in some cases, therefore they should not have banned anyone but temprarily removed the chests until a more permanent solution could be found.
People keep saying that the non- farmers were not banned and yelling at everyone else for not being able to read.
Obviously YOU cant read.
It say non farmers were warned AND suspended... which is a temporary ban... but still a ban... and still game time that they are paying for and cannot utilize for looting a chest in a high level area... which i have done Multiple times in other games.
Back in WoW i used to take my rogue solo in hellfire ramparts and loot the chests by sapping/blinding/stunning the mobs next to the chest, quickly looting it, and then vanishing.
Was this an explot? That I was using in game mechanics to make a higher profit than I should have?
4-5k every 10 mins is not that much... you can send a companion on one high level gathering mission and make more than that in mats
So this ban was, in fact, rediculous. Plain and simple
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
-------------------- From the web page ------------------------------
Second, a smaller number of accounts were warned or temporarily suspended for exploiting loot containers on Ilum. To be completely clear, while players may choose to travel to Ilum earlier than the recommended level (40+) and may loot containers if they can get to them, in the cases of those customers that were warned or temporarily suspended, they were systematically and repeatedly looting containers in very high numbers resulting in the game economy becoming unbalanced.
If something in the game seems too good to be true, for example, being able to farm a level 50 chest every 10 minutes for 4000-5000 credits a pop, when you are only a level 14 character, I would suggest that you just don't do it, or you might get your arms ripped off ... ask any bot who has played against a Wookie
Why? They are doing something which the game allows them to do which imo is a ban for the devs rather than the players. Sounds to me that Bioware is trying to push the blame on the players for what is clearly either poor game design or an oversight on their part.
But my point of view comes from playing sandbox games and I often try to go away from the linear path which Themeparks want you to take.
Why? Really? You need it spelled out?
Because players WILL find things the Developers and QA teams NEVER thought of.
I wish Bioware would have banned every one of these d!cks. They KNEW what they were doing, they did it over and over and over and over and over, for DAYS or WEEKS! They KNEW they were exploiting the system.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you're entitled to.
-------------------- From the web page ------------------------------
Second, a smaller number of accounts were warned or temporarily suspended for exploiting loot containers on Ilum. To be completely clear, while players may choose to travel to Ilum earlier than the recommended level (40+) and may loot containers if they can get to them, in the cases of those customers that were warned or temporarily suspended, they were systematically and repeatedly looting containers in very high numbers resulting in the game economy becoming unbalanced.
So instead of a lockout on that chest for an hour or two they go ahead and suspend people?
Poor design, terrible solution..
Yeah, they should have banned them. They were cheating and they knew it. These self entitled pricks have minimized MY credits that I earned with their repeated cheating.
Going to a planet like Ilum early which the game allows. Noticing that there are containers there that can be looted which have a high amount of credits and items inside them. Staying there looting them because you were ahead of the leveling curve and then being banned for not being max level and being there.
If you say you wouldn't have stayed there to loot them - you are either a liar or prefer to look at something as a bug that is totally allowable within the confines of the game.
Being banned for bug would be like winning the lottery at 21 years old and then having the government take the money away from you and throw you in prison because you aren't supposed to make that kind of money until you are 50.
-------------------- From the web page ------------------------------
Second, a smaller number of accounts were warned or temporarily suspended for exploiting loot containers on Ilum. To be completely clear, while players may choose to travel to Ilum earlier than the recommended level (40+) and may loot containers if they can get to them, in the cases of those customers that were warned or temporarily suspended, they were systematically and repeatedly looting containers in very high numbers resulting in the game economy becoming unbalanced.
So instead of a lockout on that chest for an hour or two they go ahead and suspend people?
Poor design, terrible solution..
Puke Lywalker: "Looting this chest for 5 hrs has made me rich, this is so much fun."
Bio: "Puke we have noticed that you have been repeatedly looting the same chest for 5 hrs, this is an unintended game mechanic, we are working on a fix, can you please cease and desist or face a suspension."
Puke Lywalker: "Pfft screw that shit, just a couple more hours and I'll have my 10,000,000 credits"
Going to a planet like Ilum early which the game allows. Noticing that there are containers there that can be looted which have a high amount of credits and items inside them. Staying there looting them because you were ahead of the leveling curve and then being banned for not being max level and being there.
If you say you wouldn't have stayed there to loot them - you are either a liar or prefer to look at something as a bug that is totally allowable within the confines of the game.
Being banned for bug would be like winning the lottery at 21 years old and then having the government take the money away from you and throw you in prison because you aren't supposed to make that kind of money until you are 50.
Players camping one loot container on Ilium for weeks, looting said container HUNDREDS of times, should be banned.
Maybe your government would throw you in jail at 21 for winning the lottery, but they wouldn't here in the US. They'd simply tax you and call you a 1%'er.
And I would NOT sit there camping a loot box. I have a life, enjoy playing the game and would report anything I felt may not be working as intended.
Funny you should call me a liar too...just today, at lunch, the guy at the drive thru handed me my sub and change...I gave him the exact amount. Know what I did? I handed him back the $2. Know why? Because I'm HONEST.
Going to a planet like Ilum early which the game allows. Noticing that there are containers there that can be looted which have a high amount of credits and items inside them. Staying there looting them because you were ahead of the leveling curve and then being banned for not being max level and being there.
If you say you wouldn't have stayed there to loot them - you are either a liar or prefer to look at something as a bug that is totally allowable within the confines of the game.
Being banned for bug would be like winning the lottery at 21 years old and then having the government take the money away from you and throw you in prison because you aren't supposed to make that kind of money until you are 50.
Players camping one loot container on Ilium for weeks, looting said container HUNDREDS of times, should be banned.
Maybe your government would throw you in jail at 21 for winning the lottery, but they wouldn't here in the US. They'd simply tax you and call you a 1%'er.
And I would NOT sit there camping a loot box. I have a life, enjoy playing the game and would report anything I felt may not be working as intended.
Funny you should call me a liar too...just today, at lunch, the guy at the drive thru handed me my sub and change...I gave him the exact amount. Know what I did? I handed him back the $2. Know why? Because I'm HONEST.
If said player camping a loot box wasn't botting to do so. I have no problem with it and side with the player. Its his time let him value it how he wants.
Having said that, if he was botting. I say lifetime ban and I side with Bioware.
It is so that I haven't seen a single goldseller or bot on one of the busiest servers in Europe (Legions of Lettow).
Which is pretty impressive.
Heh just do a google SWTOR gold search:P
Be kind of a dummy that would spend 60 bucks for the game then spam so they know who to ban:)
The gold spam in games comes after games get to the free trials, mainly. they are selling, pages and pages of companies are selling in SWTOR. Just not the dumb ones yet:P
Going to a planet like Ilum early which the game allows. Noticing that there are containers there that can be looted which have a high amount of credits and items inside them. Staying there looting them because you were ahead of the leveling curve and then being banned for not being max level and being there.
If you say you wouldn't have stayed there to loot them - you are either a liar or prefer to look at something as a bug that is totally allowable within the confines of the game.
Being banned for bug would be like winning the lottery at 21 years old and then having the government take the money away from you and throw you in prison because you aren't supposed to make that kind of money until you are 50.
Players camping one loot container on Ilium for weeks, looting said container HUNDREDS of times, should be banned.
Maybe your government would throw you in jail at 21 for winning the lottery, but they wouldn't here in the US. They'd simply tax you and call you a 1%'er.
And I would NOT sit there camping a loot box. I have a life, enjoy playing the game and would report anything I felt may not be working as intended.
Funny you should call me a liar too...just today, at lunch, the guy at the drive thru handed me my sub and change...I gave him the exact amount. Know what I did? I handed him back the $2. Know why? Because I'm HONEST.
This again?
In your analogy, if you realized he gave you extra money, and you kept it, then well that's kind of um...stealing. Maybe not "direct" stealing, but stealing all the same. It's also pretty much a accepted more that keeping the money would be a dick move.
But with the whole chest thing. Who are these players stealing from???? The money is just magically spawned into the world. At worst, it causes too much inflation. But if it causes too much inflation, it's because IT IS BEING SPAWNED TOO QUICKLY. Not because people are looting it.
It's also an accepted game more that you can look chests when you see them. So well...how the hell is this anything like keeping the drive thru dude's $2??? In one case, you are knowingly and dishonestly depriving another of money. In another case, you are simply looting a chest in a game, in which chests exist solely to be looted by players! And another thing, if these chests produce so much money that they destroy the economy, then why the freak weren't 50's just camping them???
Anyway, you guys have somehow convinced yourself that looting a chest in a video game repeatedly is morally wrong. I have seen it compared to theft, fraud, and even murder, yes murder, in this thread. Now please...I implore you. Just step back and think about this. We're talking about looting a CHEST in a VIDEO GAME.
If said player camping a loot box wasn't botting to do so. I have no problem with it and side with the player. Its his time let him value it how he wants.
Having said that, if he was botting. I say lifetime ban and I side with Bioware.
If said player camping a loot box wasn't botting to do so. I have no problem with it and side with the player. Its his time let him value it how he wants.
Having said that, if he was botting. I say lifetime ban and I side with Bioware.
Well, neither of us got what we wanted.
I want them banned.
You think it's fine.
Bioware issued a warning.
Just saying, I dont want GM's in any game that I play to police the game to such an extent that I takes away my freedom to spend my game time how I wish.
The issue straight up should have been resolved by:
In your analogy, if you realized he gave you extra money, and you kept it, then well that's kind of um...stealing. Maybe not "direct" stealing, but stealing all the same. It's also pretty much a accepted more that keeping the money would be a dick move.
But with the whole chest thing. Who are these players stealing from???? The money is just magically spawned into the world. At worst, it causes too much inflation. But if it causes too much inflation, it's because IT IS BEING SPAWNED TOO QUICKLY. Not because people are looting it.
It's also an accepted game more that you can look chests when you see them. So well...how the hell is this anything like keeping the drive thru dude's $2??? In one case, you are knowingly and dishonestly depriving another of money. In another case, you are simply looting a chest in a game, in which chests exist solely to be looted by players! And another thing, if these chests produce so much money that they destroy the economy, then why the freak weren't 50's just camping them???
Anyway, you guys have somehow convinced yourself that looting a chest in a video game repeatedly is morally wrong. I have seen it compared to theft, fraud, and even murder, yes murder, in this thread. Now please...I implore you. Just step back and think about this. We're talking about looting a CHEST in a VIDEO GAME.
They're stealing from ME and the players who play the game without cheating by DE-valuing my credits. They aren't earning their credits, they were exploiting for them.
Just because it's a video game doesn't mean they aren't dealing with real people. If this were a single player game, they could do what they like - it's not.
If said player camping a loot box wasn't botting to do so. I have no problem with it and side with the player. Its his time let him value it how he wants.
Having said that, if he was botting. I say lifetime ban and I side with Bioware.
Well, neither of us got what we wanted.
I want them banned.
You think it's fine.
Bioware issued a warning.
Just saying, I dont want GM's in any game that I play to police the game to such an extent that I takes away my freedom to spend my game time how I wish.
The issue straight up should have been resolved by:
1) Botting = Ban
2) Not botting = not breaking any rules.
Oh, I agree on the GM thing. But I'm also willing to accept that developers can and will make mistakes and they WILL miss things that some crafty player won't. Exploiting a mistake is still cheating IMO, especially when it involves the economy.
Anyway, you guys have somehow convinced yourself that looting a chest in a video game repeatedly is morally wrong. I have seen it compared to theft, fraud, and even murder, yes murder, in this thread. Now please...I implore you. Just step back and think about this. We're talking about looting a CHEST in a VIDEO GAME.
The core issue here is that yes that's what they were reportedly doing, and they were warned about it. Some may have even received a suspension, no one has been banned from the game for it yet.
They've also made a public statement laying out what the issue is, which should also serve as further warning to not do this. Those banned from here on out.. well......yeah...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
In your analogy, if you realized he gave you extra money, and you kept it, then well that's kind of um...stealing. Maybe not "direct" stealing, but stealing all the same. It's also pretty much a accepted more that keeping the money would be a dick move.
But with the whole chest thing. Who are these players stealing from???? The money is just magically spawned into the world. At worst, it causes too much inflation. But if it causes too much inflation, it's because IT IS BEING SPAWNED TOO QUICKLY. Not because people are looting it.
It's also an accepted game more that you can look chests when you see them. So well...how the hell is this anything like keeping the drive thru dude's $2??? In one case, you are knowingly and dishonestly depriving another of money. In another case, you are simply looting a chest in a game, in which chests exist solely to be looted by players! And another thing, if these chests produce so much money that they destroy the economy, then why the freak weren't 50's just camping them???
Anyway, you guys have somehow convinced yourself that looting a chest in a video game repeatedly is morally wrong. I have seen it compared to theft, fraud, and even murder, yes murder, in this thread. Now please...I implore you. Just step back and think about this. We're talking about looting a CHEST in a VIDEO GAME.
They're stealing from ME and the players who play the game without cheating by DE-valuing my credits. They aren't earning their credits, they were exploiting for them.
Just because it's a video game doesn't mean they aren't dealing with real people. If this were a single player game, they could do what they like - it's not.
Cheating is cheating. Nuff said.
Anyone earning credits in any way other than the AH...are devaluing your credits. It's called inflation, look it up. I covered that in my post that you quoted...highlighted that part.
You may as well rage against level 50's that farm mobs all day. They are devaluing your credits too.
Going to a planet like Ilum early which the game allows. Noticing that there are containers there that can be looted which have a high amount of credits and items inside them. Staying there looting them because you were ahead of the leveling curve and then being banned for not being max level and being there.
If you say you wouldn't have stayed there to loot them - you are either a liar or prefer to look at something as a bug that is totally allowable within the confines of the game.
Being banned for bug would be like winning the lottery at 21 years old and then having the government take the money away from you and throw you in prison because you aren't supposed to make that kind of money until you are 50.
Players camping one loot container on Ilium for weeks, looting said container HUNDREDS of times, should be banned.
Maybe your government would throw you in jail at 21 for winning the lottery, but they wouldn't here in the US. They'd simply tax you and call you a 1%'er.
And I would NOT sit there camping a loot box. I have a life, enjoy playing the game and would report anything I felt may not be working as intended.
Funny you should call me a liar too...just today, at lunch, the guy at the drive thru handed me my sub and change...I gave him the exact amount. Know what I did? I handed him back the $2. Know why? Because I'm HONEST.
This again?
In your analogy, if you realized he gave you extra money, and you kept it, then well that's kind of um...stealing. Maybe not "direct" stealing, but stealing all the same. It's also pretty much a accepted more that keeping the money would be a dick move.
But with the whole chest thing. Who are these players stealing from???? The money is just magically spawned into the world. At worst, it causes too much inflation. But if it causes too much inflation, it's because IT IS BEING SPAWNED TOO QUICKLY. Not because people are looting it.
It's also an accepted game more that you can look chests when you see them. So well...how the hell is this anything like keeping the drive thru dude's $2??? In one case, you are knowingly and dishonestly depriving another of money. In another case, you are simply looting a chest in a game, in which chests exist solely to be looted by players! And another thing, if these chests produce so much money that they destroy the economy, then why the freak weren't 50's just camping them???
Anyway, you guys have somehow convinced yourself that looting a chest in a video game repeatedly is morally wrong. I have seen it compared to theft, fraud, and even murder, yes murder, in this thread. Now please...I implore you. Just step back and think about this. We're talking about looting a CHEST in a VIDEO GAME.
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I pay the same price in real money for this game as you do (if you are actually playing it, which from your post history brings that into serious doubt lately), I also pay the same monthly charge as you do, and I deserve to have a game with a stable economy just like you do. And Bioware has the right to make sure I get to keep those rights by suspending and/or banning cheaters in thier game.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
"They lie, they can't be doing this!" Said all the fan boys before. Rather dumb 'durr' moment that wasn't apparently fixed, and the best fix seems to be 'banning' rather then restricting for it. Slip ups happen all the time, its about fixing them quickly that is important.
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OK how is looting a chest that respawns every 10 minutes an exploit? Exploit means that you are taking advantage of an obvious bug....chests respawning is not an obvious bug.... so yeah.
I understand about the rules and dont use exploits and blah blah blah.... what im saying to you is what bug was taken advantage of here... what variable was bugged in the situation mentioned... the chest? the player being there? the respawn timer?
And how do you know the game wasnt inteded for that... is it intended for me to stand around in a safe station sending out crew memember to farm materials from advanced missions crew skills that are clearly way above my level to sell for profits that are way above my level? Is that bannable...
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
..flaw which may be a faulty code or design.
In this particular case players took an advantage of containers yielding excessively high rewards when compared to regular, intended game play and player level.
Didn't they know the rewards are excessively high? I then have to question what they were doing there for so many hours...
Case closed.
You cut his sentence in half and then finished it with your own words. You really wont that argument
.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
It isn't as clear cut as in some cases, therefore they should not have banned anyone but temprarily removed the chests until a more permanent solution could be found.
I cut it precisely at the spot of poster's error and made a point.
People keep saying that the non- farmers were not banned and yelling at everyone else for not being able to read.
Obviously YOU cant read.
It say non farmers were warned AND suspended... which is a temporary ban... but still a ban... and still game time that they are paying for and cannot utilize for looting a chest in a high level area... which i have done Multiple times in other games.
Back in WoW i used to take my rogue solo in hellfire ramparts and loot the chests by sapping/blinding/stunning the mobs next to the chest, quickly looting it, and then vanishing.
Was this an explot? That I was using in game mechanics to make a higher profit than I should have?
4-5k every 10 mins is not that much... you can send a companion on one high level gathering mission and make more than that in mats
So this ban was, in fact, rediculous. Plain and simple
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
-------------------- From the web page ------------------------------
Second, a smaller number of accounts were warned or temporarily suspended for exploiting loot containers on Ilum. To be completely clear, while players may choose to travel to Ilum earlier than the recommended level (40+) and may loot containers if they can get to them, in the cases of those customers that were warned or temporarily suspended, they were systematically and repeatedly looting containers in very high numbers resulting in the game economy becoming unbalanced.
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So instead of a lockout on that chest for an hour or two they go ahead and suspend people?
Poor design, terrible solution..
"Hey! This box is $%^#@ CAMPED"!
It is so that I haven't seen a single goldseller or bot on one of the busiest servers in Europe (Legions of Lettow).
Which is pretty impressive.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Why? Really? You need it spelled out?
Because players WILL find things the Developers and QA teams NEVER thought of.
I wish Bioware would have banned every one of these d!cks. They KNEW what they were doing, they did it over and over and over and over and over, for DAYS or WEEKS! They KNEW they were exploiting the system.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you're entitled to.
Yeah, they should have banned them. They were cheating and they knew it. These self entitled pricks have minimized MY credits that I earned with their repeated cheating.
Going to a planet like Ilum early which the game allows. Noticing that there are containers there that can be looted which have a high amount of credits and items inside them. Staying there looting them because you were ahead of the leveling curve and then being banned for not being max level and being there.
If you say you wouldn't have stayed there to loot them - you are either a liar or prefer to look at something as a bug that is totally allowable within the confines of the game.
Being banned for bug would be like winning the lottery at 21 years old and then having the government take the money away from you and throw you in prison because you aren't supposed to make that kind of money until you are 50.
Puke Lywalker: "Looting this chest for 5 hrs has made me rich, this is so much fun."
Bio: "Puke we have noticed that you have been repeatedly looting the same chest for 5 hrs, this is an unintended game mechanic, we are working on a fix, can you please cease and desist or face a suspension."
Puke Lywalker: "Pfft screw that shit, just a couple more hours and I'll have my 10,000,000 credits"
Bio: "Your suspended"
Puke Lywalker: "WHINE"
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Players camping one loot container on Ilium for weeks, looting said container HUNDREDS of times, should be banned.
Maybe your government would throw you in jail at 21 for winning the lottery, but they wouldn't here in the US. They'd simply tax you and call you a 1%'er.
And I would NOT sit there camping a loot box. I have a life, enjoy playing the game and would report anything I felt may not be working as intended.
Funny you should call me a liar too...just today, at lunch, the guy at the drive thru handed me my sub and change...I gave him the exact amount. Know what I did? I handed him back the $2. Know why? Because I'm HONEST.
If said player camping a loot box wasn't botting to do so. I have no problem with it and side with the player. Its his time let him value it how he wants.
Having said that, if he was botting. I say lifetime ban and I side with Bioware.
Heh just do a google SWTOR gold search:P
Be kind of a dummy that would spend 60 bucks for the game then spam so they know who to ban:)
The gold spam in games comes after games get to the free trials, mainly. they are selling, pages and pages of companies are selling in SWTOR. Just not the dumb ones yet:P
This again?
In your analogy, if you realized he gave you extra money, and you kept it, then well that's kind of um...stealing. Maybe not "direct" stealing, but stealing all the same. It's also pretty much a accepted more that keeping the money would be a dick move.
But with the whole chest thing. Who are these players stealing from???? The money is just magically spawned into the world. At worst, it causes too much inflation. But if it causes too much inflation, it's because IT IS BEING SPAWNED TOO QUICKLY. Not because people are looting it.
It's also an accepted game more that you can look chests when you see them. So well...how the hell is this anything like keeping the drive thru dude's $2??? In one case, you are knowingly and dishonestly depriving another of money. In another case, you are simply looting a chest in a game, in which chests exist solely to be looted by players! And another thing, if these chests produce so much money that they destroy the economy, then why the freak weren't 50's just camping them???
Anyway, you guys have somehow convinced yourself that looting a chest in a video game repeatedly is morally wrong. I have seen it compared to theft, fraud, and even murder, yes murder, in this thread. Now please...I implore you. Just step back and think about this. We're talking about looting a CHEST in a VIDEO GAME.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Well, neither of us got what we wanted.
I want them banned.
You think it's fine.
Bioware issued a warning.
Just saying, I dont want GM's in any game that I play to police the game to such an extent that I takes away my freedom to spend my game time how I wish.
The issue straight up should have been resolved by:
1) Botting = Ban
2) Not botting = not breaking any rules.
They're stealing from ME and the players who play the game without cheating by DE-valuing my credits. They aren't earning their credits, they were exploiting for them.
Just because it's a video game doesn't mean they aren't dealing with real people. If this were a single player game, they could do what they like - it's not.
Cheating is cheating. Nuff said.
Oh, I agree on the GM thing. But I'm also willing to accept that developers can and will make mistakes and they WILL miss things that some crafty player won't. Exploiting a mistake is still cheating IMO, especially when it involves the economy.
It IS a design flaw on Bioware's part.
But...
Exploiting that flaw is still exploiting.
The core issue here is that yes that's what they were reportedly doing, and they were warned about it. Some may have even received a suspension, no one has been banned from the game for it yet.
They've also made a public statement laying out what the issue is, which should also serve as further warning to not do this. Those banned from here on out.. well......yeah...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Anyone earning credits in any way other than the AH...are devaluing your credits. It's called inflation, look it up. I covered that in my post that you quoted...highlighted that part.
You may as well rage against level 50's that farm mobs all day. They are devaluing your credits too.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
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I pay the same price in real money for this game as you do (if you are actually playing it, which from your post history brings that into serious doubt lately), I also pay the same monthly charge as you do, and I deserve to have a game with a stable economy just like you do. And Bioware has the right to make sure I get to keep those rights by suspending and/or banning cheaters in thier game.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
"They lie, they can't be doing this!" Said all the fan boys before. Rather dumb 'durr' moment that wasn't apparently fixed, and the best fix seems to be 'banning' rather then restricting for it. Slip ups happen all the time, its about fixing them quickly that is important.