WOW was ridiculed by the MMORPG community when it came out as well (and perhaps still today). But we all know how the world rated the game: with their pocketbooks.
This game, just like WOW, is one I will not play due to personal preference but it seems to clear to me at this point that it is going to be successful and popular with much of the masses. Dragon Age and Skyrim are popular and well reviewed too, so keep in mind that its high grades dont imply its massively multiplayer prowess.
Yeah. Why is it so hard to believe it get's good ratings because it's a decent game to many people? As far as EA paying off sites I doubt it. At the most they pull beta testing or future review privileges for a bit from a site or reviewer. Now this threat may be enough to score a game higher than one normally would but anyone with integrity would tell it like it is and EA be damned. I know it rarely works that way though..lol.
With the amount of advertising and real world marketing, such as flash mobs and movie/cartoon marathons ALL DAY... I'm just gonna assume they paid everybody including reviews. Great Star Wars game tho
Perhaps it was a bit too far to say that almost everyone who dislikes the game is a disgruntled sandbox fan, but I do believe they make up a considerable portion of the game's haters.
I also don't think that Bioware or EA are paying for all their positive reviews. It is possible that some of this happens... and I know it does in the software industry, but I think its hard to argue that SWTOR is not an extremely well-made piece of software even if you don't like it. I think the quality of the game speaks for itself.
Also, to the MMORPG mods - I apologize for accusing you of deleting my post in this thread. I obviously had this and the other nearly identical thread confused. My post was apparently not deleted after all. My mistake!
I don't know man, I don't think it's a cut and dry as you try to make it.
It's very possible to dislike SWTOR and still like the genre to which is belongs. I found myself in this group...after all, I unsubbed SWTOR and wound up resubbing Rift, which I hadn't even been subbed to for like six months. Playing SWTOR gave me the "MMORPG-bug" again, but I just felt like it was inferior to Rift. And I'm not even that crazy about Rift!
SWTOR is just not good when it comes to its MMORPG features. It's a fairly solid CORPG like Guild Wars, and if people want to play it like this, then that's awesome. But as for being an MMORPG? I think it falls flat.
The social hubs are bland, economy is non-existant, crafting is largely pointless outside of making your own gear, PvP is dull, the class system is boring, the world is extremely static, etc. etc.
So really, I think people that were looking for an MMORPG experience will be mostly disappointed. If you're happy taking SWTOR as it is, which is basically a decent CORPG with a retarded MMORPG brother limping behind it, then that's great. But otherwise...I think it's disappointing.
The funny thing is... even if SWTOR somehow loses most of its players and ends up with around 300k subscribers (which I highly doubt btw), it will still be much more popular than almost any sandbox MMO.
You do realize that sandbox MMO's are cheaper to run overall. 300k would kill SWTOR budget wise. They have investors and debt already built up from this game, plus Lucas alwasy gets his "cut" first.
I know its hard to accept, but SWTOR is getting all the positive ratings it is getting because the game is good. Almost everyone who isn't a disgruntled sandbox MMO vet is greatly enjoying the game and is giving it good marks. You can't trust the user reviews on sites like Metacritic because people who don't like the game do not give it a fair review. Any fair review of SWTOR would be 5+ at a minimum based on the quality and polish of the game, yet the haters often give it a 1 or a 0 on user reviews.
Good point, only my ocd son, after talking to him about this same issue, went back in and recalced the scores by throwing out every 0 and 10. He claims it lowered the user rating to 5.9. Which to me is about right where I would put it, so its subjective but at the same time, it's not far off either.
This is the act of a person with a personal desire to destroy the game. It is a far cry from anything even remotely resembling a fair review. I don't care how much you dislike a game... I don't think I have EVER played ANY mmorpg that deserved a 0 or even a 1.
agree 100%
The fact is SWTOR is a quality game whether haters like it or not. You can't stop it and nothing you can do will cause any true harm to it. It is what it is and it will be successful regardless of your feelings.
I too agree, I think SWTOR will be succesful filling a niche just as SWG did. For how long, that is not really up to the gamers but to EA and Lucas. If the time came the game would face f2p status, IMO Lucas would rather pull the plug then face the brand name hit.
I disagree. I think as long as it assures Lucas "cha-ching" he'll have no problem accepting SWTOR as a F2P > I might...lol..but he won't. If it comes to that and conversion will keep the river of money flowing then George will likely give it a big thumbs up. Hell..technically there is already has a multi-player Stars Wars IP game as F2P. SOE's Clone Wars.
With the amount of advertising and real world marketing, such as flash mobs and movie/cartoon marathons ALL DAY... I'm just gonna assume they paid everybody including reviews. Great Star Wars game tho
Perhaps it was a bit too far to say that almost everyone who dislikes the game is a disgruntled sandbox fan, but I do believe they make up a considerable portion of the game's haters.
I also don't think that Bioware or EA are paying for all their positive reviews. It is possible that some of this happens... and I know it does in the software industry, but I think its hard to argue that SWTOR is not an extremely well-made piece of software even if you don't like it. I think the quality of the game speaks for itself.
Also, to the MMORPG mods - I apologize for accusing you of deleting my post in this thread. I obviously had this and the other nearly identical thread confused. My post was apparently not deleted after all. My mistake!
I don't know man, I don't think it's a cut and dry as you try to make it.
It's very possible to dislike SWTOR and still like the genre to which is belongs. I found myself in this group...after all, I unsubbed SWTOR and wound up resubbing Rift, which I hadn't even been subbed to for like six months. Playing SWTOR gave me the "MMORPG-bug" again, but I just felt like it was inferior to Rift. And I'm not even that crazy about Rift!
SWTOR is just not good when it comes to its MMORPG features. It's a fairly solid CORPG like Guild Wars, and if people want to play it like this, then that's awesome. But as for being an MMORPG? I think it falls flat.
The social hubs are bland, economy is non-existant, crafting is largely pointless outside of making your own gear, PvP is dull, the class system is boring, the world is extremely static, etc. etc.
So really, I think people that were looking for an MMORPG experience will be mostly disappointed. If you're happy taking SWTOR as it is, which is basically a decent CORPG with a retarded MMORPG brother limping behind it, then that's great. But otherwise...I think it's disappointing.
I'm right there with you and still considering going back to Rift... honestly the star wars IP is really only thing keeping me playing... but like you I got my mmo addiction going and need something to play.... maybe I'll try Aion again...
Let me preface this by saying, I really hated any game that had a trinity system. So no, I'm not a WoW fan. You could say my leaning was toward Star Wars because of me being a big KOTOR fan and my excitement for SWTOR, last January, was through the roof. Till they announced the Trinity system last spring. /facepalm
Anyway, lets be honest, to review a game, personal enjoyment should not be the main factor. We all have differing taste. It should, however, modify or skew your final judgment one way or the other, if not, we are not being real about it. When I see reviews rating it an 8 or 9, I just assume it has the built in 1 or 2 point deviation for personal taste. Just like when I see the same game given a 4 , 5 or 6 I will assume the reviewer did not like the game. Why? Because it's not a crap game, it pretty well made. Is it perfect, far from it. Does EA money influnce that number, probably. But the bottom line is how well are "players" liking it. That's why the metacritic user score of 6 really isn't so skewed IMO.
To me SWTOR and WOW(Cata version), if released back in 2008-09, even thought I hate the style of play, would still get a 7.5-8.5 from me. Only it's 2012, so both of these games would only get a 5.5-6.5 right now. Just like if they were released in 2013 after GW2, Archage, TSW were already out. Then that number would easily fall to a 3-5 rating. It's all about context.
SWTOR has done some very good things for the genre, even blizzard acknowledged that SWTOR will bring many non-mmo players into the fold and expose them to the genre. If it didn't, SWTOR haters would be justified by seeing the game as the thing that lowered the bar for the industry. Not because it was so bad, but because it wasn't as good as it could have been.
The funny thing is... even if SWTOR somehow loses most of its players and ends up with around 300k subscribers (which I highly doubt btw), it will still be much more popular than almost any sandbox MMO.
You do realize that sandbox MMO's are cheaper to run overall. 300k would kill SWTOR budget wise. They have investors and debt already built up from this game, plus Lucas alwasy gets his "cut" first.
I know its hard to accept, but SWTOR is getting all the positive ratings it is getting because the game is good. Almost everyone who isn't a disgruntled sandbox MMO vet is greatly enjoying the game and is giving it good marks. You can't trust the user reviews on sites like Metacritic because people who don't like the game do not give it a fair review. Any fair review of SWTOR would be 5+ at a minimum based on the quality and polish of the game, yet the haters often give it a 1 or a 0 on user reviews.
Good point, only my ocd son, after talking to him about this same issue, went back in and recalced the scores by throwing out every 0 and 10. He claims it lowered the user rating to 5.9. Which to me is about right where I would put it, so its subjective but at the same time, it's not far off either.
This is the act of a person with a personal desire to destroy the game. It is a far cry from anything even remotely resembling a fair review. I don't care how much you dislike a game... I don't think I have EVER played ANY mmorpg that deserved a 0 or even a 1.
agree 100%
The fact is SWTOR is a quality game whether haters like it or not. You can't stop it and nothing you can do will cause any true harm to it. It is what it is and it will be successful regardless of your feelings.
I too agree, I think SWTOR will be succesful filling a niche just as SWG did. For how long, that is not really up to the gamers but to EA and Lucas. If the time came the game would face f2p status, IMO Lucas would rather pull the plug then face the brand name hit.
I disagree. I think as long as it assures Lucas "cha-ching" he'll have no problem accepting SWTOR as a F2P > I might...lol..but he won't. If it comes to that and conversion will keep the river of money flowing then George will likely give it a big thumbs up. Hell..technically there is already has a multi-player Stars Wars IP game as F2P. SOE's Clone Wars.
I think F2P is largely up to EA. I look at games like UO that are still subscription based after all this time, and I don't think EA would ever go the F2P route regardless of game success.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Sorry, did I just state a place were numbers don't mean something is good or right? Lets all just stop with these silly number games. Everyone knows its easy to manipulate no matter what side your on. We can all throw numbers out there and it doesn't mean they make things 'good'. Its the culmination of facts, not the random picking and chosing of numbers that can help portray how something is doing. Even those facts can be subjective.
What I don't get from people is that whether you wanted something more innovative or not, this formula works for so many out there. They are not looking for something drastically different. These reviews show that. Its no different than all of the FPS games out there that basically mirror each other and get scores of 90+. I dont like FPS games, they all look the same to me. However, I understand that there are millions who disagree with me and they keep being made so somebody must like them. What is wrong with building on what works for those who like it?
What I don't get from people is that whether you wanted something more innovative or not, this formula works for so many out there. They are not looking for something drastically different. These reviews show that. Its no different than all of the FPS games out there that basically mirror each other and get scores of 90+. I dont like FPS games, they all look the same to me. However, I understand that there are millions who disagree with me and they keep being made so somebody must like them. What is wrong with building on what works for those who like it?
They may have to accept it, they don't have to like it, they will continue let people know their displeasure until they get a game more to their liking. (probably never happen)
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I only read a few of the reviews and the scores don't really match up to what they are saying. "This is mediocre, this is flawed but it's kinda nifty." somehow this warrants a 9.0 for whatever category.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
I am sure the Fanbois are all excited and even the players disaapointed with SWOTR agree on some level the game is good.
Personally I think the Cinematic storyline is cool, I really liked it.... But... after 20+ hours I just wanted to play an MMO and found that behind the Movie screen Cinematic curtain that the rest of the game was plain and medicore, not bad just not worth playing.
Bioware did a great job making an MMO, it is stable, it works and has a couple cool features but for many of us the alure of lightsabers and a mediocre MMO isn't enough to draw us away from the more mature MMOs that we already enjoy playing.
I'm so tired of many of these posts from people who don't like SWTOR trying to portray themselves as some sort of afficionados on MMOs. I am 30 years old, played table top rpgs, d&d, text muds, ultima online, everquest, asheron's call, dark age of camelot, shadowbane, world of warcraft, eve online, and sooooo many more. And yes I am enjoying SWTOR, both for the story and as an mmo. It's an evolution in terms of the story, cinematic, silent npcs to talking npcs. No it's not a revolution in MMOs, it is an interesting evolution.
A lot of people like the game, some don't. Personally I don't think I could go back to any PVE MMO that didn't have voiced NPCs or didn't have a main epic cinematic narrative. Unless the MMO was just mainly about PvP, than who cares about the PVE I guess.
I'm so tired of many of these posts from people who don't like SWTOR trying to portray themselves as some sort of afficionados on MMOs. I am 30 years old, played table top rpgs, d&d, text muds, ultima online, everquest, asheron's call, dark age of camelot, shadowbane, world of warcraft, eve online, and sooooo many more. And yes I am enjoying SWTOR, both for the story and as an mmo. It's an evolution in terms of the story, cinematic, silent npcs to talking npcs. No it's not a revolution in MMOs, it is an interesting evolution.
A lot of people like the game, some don't. Personally I don't think I could go back to any PVE MMO that didn't have voiced NPCs or didn't have a main epic cinematic narrative. Unless the MMO was just mainly about PvP, than who cares about the PVE I guess.
I totally agree with you. I doubt Ill ever play a wall of text game again.
Updated thread. Whats interesting to me is that I'm still waiting for that one attention whore outlet, or even on negative impression from any known professional outlet. I went to gamerankings.com, pulled up World of Warcraft, sorted by date, and even that game didn't come close to the consecutive number of positive reviews in a row since release. Of course the user scores are lower on metacritic and here because most of the disgrunted haters with ulterior motives are just putting 0 or 1 for everything, while those who like the game are more objective with a broader range of scoring.
personally i disagree, the reviews of this game were obviously paid for so they could be all positive it happens in the media all the time, Fox news anyone?
The proof is in the graphics review, they reviewed the graphics of the game overall when even Bioware themselves admitted that the game graphics (not the vo ones or the cut scenes) are all stuck on low rez only. This happened shortly after launch but right before the reviews from all of the companies reviewing it. It's proof positive that you all are being manipulated. But yes yes i know you all love being manipulated so long as you get to play something starwars right?
personally i disagree, the reviews of this game were obviously paid for so they could be all positive it happens in the media all the time, Fox news anyone?
The proof is in the graphics review, they reviewed the graphics of the game overall when even Bioware themselves admitted that the game graphics (not the vo ones or the cut scenes) are all stuck on low rez only. This happened shortly after launch but right before the reviews from all of the companies reviewing it. It's proof positive that you all are being manipulated. But yes yes i know you all love being manipulated so long as you get to play something starwars right?
Your post is absurd because average people don't rate graphics based on technicalities. They based them on how the game looks to them while they are playing. Most playing like the graphics, especially when compared to many previous MMOs...so pointing out textures and then somehow tying that to paid reviews or they don't know what they are talking about is ridiculous. Also, a good game is always about the sum, not the score of the invididual parts. If people are having fun, that is what matters countering any already long boring drawn out analysis over textures.
and you're the expert on this, how? why? All I can judge by is my experience. I have ZERO trouble finding groups, our guild continues to increase and is almost at max, and our concurrent guild users online at one time continues to be around the same levels. Kind of contradicts what you just posted.
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WOW was ridiculed by the MMORPG community when it came out as well (and perhaps still today). But we all know how the world rated the game: with their pocketbooks.
This game, just like WOW, is one I will not play due to personal preference but it seems to clear to me at this point that it is going to be successful and popular with much of the masses. Dragon Age and Skyrim are popular and well reviewed too, so keep in mind that its high grades dont imply its massively multiplayer prowess.
Yeah. Why is it so hard to believe it get's good ratings because it's a decent game to many people? As far as EA paying off sites I doubt it. At the most they pull beta testing or future review privileges for a bit from a site or reviewer. Now this threat may be enough to score a game higher than one normally would but anyone with integrity would tell it like it is and EA be damned. I know it rarely works that way though..lol.
I don't know man, I don't think it's a cut and dry as you try to make it.
It's very possible to dislike SWTOR and still like the genre to which is belongs. I found myself in this group...after all, I unsubbed SWTOR and wound up resubbing Rift, which I hadn't even been subbed to for like six months. Playing SWTOR gave me the "MMORPG-bug" again, but I just felt like it was inferior to Rift. And I'm not even that crazy about Rift!
SWTOR is just not good when it comes to its MMORPG features. It's a fairly solid CORPG like Guild Wars, and if people want to play it like this, then that's awesome. But as for being an MMORPG? I think it falls flat.
The social hubs are bland, economy is non-existant, crafting is largely pointless outside of making your own gear, PvP is dull, the class system is boring, the world is extremely static, etc. etc.
So really, I think people that were looking for an MMORPG experience will be mostly disappointed. If you're happy taking SWTOR as it is, which is basically a decent CORPG with a retarded MMORPG brother limping behind it, then that's great. But otherwise...I think it's disappointing.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I disagree. I think as long as it assures Lucas "cha-ching" he'll have no problem accepting SWTOR as a F2P > I might...lol..but he won't. If it comes to that and conversion will keep the river of money flowing then George will likely give it a big thumbs up. Hell..technically there is already has a multi-player Stars Wars IP game as F2P. SOE's Clone Wars.
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With the amount of advertising and real world marketing, such as flash mobs and movie/cartoon marathons ALL DAY... I'm just gonna assume they paid everybody including reviews. Great Star Wars game tho
Perhaps it was a bit too far to say that almost everyone who dislikes the game is a disgruntled sandbox fan, but I do believe they make up a considerable portion of the game's haters.
I also don't think that Bioware or EA are paying for all their positive reviews. It is possible that some of this happens... and I know it does in the software industry, but I think its hard to argue that SWTOR is not an extremely well-made piece of software even if you don't like it. I think the quality of the game speaks for itself.
Also, to the MMORPG mods - I apologize for accusing you of deleting my post in this thread. I obviously had this and the other nearly identical thread confused. My post was apparently not deleted after all. My mistake!
I don't know man, I don't think it's a cut and dry as you try to make it.
It's very possible to dislike SWTOR and still like the genre to which is belongs. I found myself in this group...after all, I unsubbed SWTOR and wound up resubbing Rift, which I hadn't even been subbed to for like six months. Playing SWTOR gave me the "MMORPG-bug" again, but I just felt like it was inferior to Rift. And I'm not even that crazy about Rift!
SWTOR is just not good when it comes to its MMORPG features. It's a fairly solid CORPG like Guild Wars, and if people want to play it like this, then that's awesome. But as for being an MMORPG? I think it falls flat.
The social hubs are bland, economy is non-existant, crafting is largely pointless outside of making your own gear, PvP is dull, the class system is boring, the world is extremely static, etc. etc.
So really, I think people that were looking for an MMORPG experience will be mostly disappointed. If you're happy taking SWTOR as it is, which is basically a decent CORPG with a retarded MMORPG brother limping behind it, then that's great. But otherwise...I think it's disappointing.
I'm right there with you and still considering going back to Rift... honestly the star wars IP is really only thing keeping me playing... but like you I got my mmo addiction going and need something to play.... maybe I'll try Aion again...http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Let me preface this by saying, I really hated any game that had a trinity system. So no, I'm not a WoW fan. You could say my leaning was toward Star Wars because of me being a big KOTOR fan and my excitement for SWTOR, last January, was through the roof. Till they announced the Trinity system last spring. /facepalm
Anyway, lets be honest, to review a game, personal enjoyment should not be the main factor. We all have differing taste. It should, however, modify or skew your final judgment one way or the other, if not, we are not being real about it. When I see reviews rating it an 8 or 9, I just assume it has the built in 1 or 2 point deviation for personal taste. Just like when I see the same game given a 4 , 5 or 6 I will assume the reviewer did not like the game. Why? Because it's not a crap game, it pretty well made. Is it perfect, far from it. Does EA money influnce that number, probably. But the bottom line is how well are "players" liking it. That's why the metacritic user score of 6 really isn't so skewed IMO.
To me SWTOR and WOW(Cata version), if released back in 2008-09, even thought I hate the style of play, would still get a 7.5-8.5 from me. Only it's 2012, so both of these games would only get a 5.5-6.5 right now. Just like if they were released in 2013 after GW2, Archage, TSW were already out. Then that number would easily fall to a 3-5 rating. It's all about context.
SWTOR has done some very good things for the genre, even blizzard acknowledged that SWTOR will bring many non-mmo players into the fold and expose them to the genre. If it didn't, SWTOR haters would be justified by seeing the game as the thing that lowered the bar for the industry. Not because it was so bad, but because it wasn't as good as it could have been.
Reviews , eh.
I updated the thread with a new count. {mod edit}
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I think F2P is largely up to EA. I look at games like UO that are still subscription based after all this time, and I don't think EA would ever go the F2P route regardless of game success.
I never read your sig till now.
Interesting, hmm, any ways can't wait till 2014.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Congratulations Bioware you made a good Star Wars casual theme park game. To bad it would suck without the ip and voice acting.
It wouldn't suck, it would still be a good casual theme park game. Nothing wrong with that at all.
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Sorry, did I just state a place were numbers don't mean something is good or right? Lets all just stop with these silly number games. Everyone knows its easy to manipulate no matter what side your on. We can all throw numbers out there and it doesn't mean they make things 'good'. Its the culmination of facts, not the random picking and chosing of numbers that can help portray how something is doing. Even those facts can be subjective.
What I don't get from people is that whether you wanted something more innovative or not, this formula works for so many out there. They are not looking for something drastically different. These reviews show that. Its no different than all of the FPS games out there that basically mirror each other and get scores of 90+. I dont like FPS games, they all look the same to me. However, I understand that there are millions who disagree with me and they keep being made so somebody must like them. What is wrong with building on what works for those who like it?
There Is Always Hope!
They may have to accept it, they don't have to like it, they will continue let people know their displeasure until they get a game more to their liking. (probably never happen)
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Epic thread for fanbois.
I only read a few of the reviews and the scores don't really match up to what they are saying. "This is mediocre, this is flawed but it's kinda nifty." somehow this warrants a 9.0 for whatever category.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
I like how any site who would dare give the game a negative review is an attention whore. And then any positive review is paid for.
So basically, no reviews matter.
I am sure the Fanbois are all excited and even the players disaapointed with SWOTR agree on some level the game is good.
Personally I think the Cinematic storyline is cool, I really liked it.... But... after 20+ hours I just wanted to play an MMO and found that behind the Movie screen Cinematic curtain that the rest of the game was plain and medicore, not bad just not worth playing.
Bioware did a great job making an MMO, it is stable, it works and has a couple cool features but for many of us the alure of lightsabers and a mediocre MMO isn't enough to draw us away from the more mature MMOs that we already enjoy playing.
I'm so tired of many of these posts from people who don't like SWTOR trying to portray themselves as some sort of afficionados on MMOs. I am 30 years old, played table top rpgs, d&d, text muds, ultima online, everquest, asheron's call, dark age of camelot, shadowbane, world of warcraft, eve online, and sooooo many more. And yes I am enjoying SWTOR, both for the story and as an mmo. It's an evolution in terms of the story, cinematic, silent npcs to talking npcs. No it's not a revolution in MMOs, it is an interesting evolution.
A lot of people like the game, some don't. Personally I don't think I could go back to any PVE MMO that didn't have voiced NPCs or didn't have a main epic cinematic narrative. Unless the MMO was just mainly about PvP, than who cares about the PVE I guess.
I totally agree with you. I doubt Ill ever play a wall of text game again.
There Is Always Hope!
Updated thread. Whats interesting to me is that I'm still waiting for that one attention whore outlet, or even on negative impression from any known professional outlet. I went to gamerankings.com, pulled up World of Warcraft, sorted by date, and even that game didn't come close to the consecutive number of positive reviews in a row since release. Of course the user scores are lower on metacritic and here because most of the disgrunted haters with ulterior motives are just putting 0 or 1 for everything, while those who like the game are more objective with a broader range of scoring.
There Is Always Hope!
personally i disagree, the reviews of this game were obviously paid for so they could be all positive it happens in the media all the time, Fox news anyone?
The proof is in the graphics review, they reviewed the graphics of the game overall when even Bioware themselves admitted that the game graphics (not the vo ones or the cut scenes) are all stuck on low rez only. This happened shortly after launch but right before the reviews from all of the companies reviewing it. It's proof positive that you all are being manipulated. But yes yes i know you all love being manipulated so long as you get to play something starwars right?
Your post is absurd because average people don't rate graphics based on technicalities. They based them on how the game looks to them while they are playing. Most playing like the graphics, especially when compared to many previous MMOs...so pointing out textures and then somehow tying that to paid reviews or they don't know what they are talking about is ridiculous. Also, a good game is always about the sum, not the score of the invididual parts. If people are having fun, that is what matters countering any already long boring drawn out analysis over textures.
There Is Always Hope!
Reviews may be good but people are not staying..
and you're the expert on this, how? why? All I can judge by is my experience. I have ZERO trouble finding groups, our guild continues to increase and is almost at max, and our concurrent guild users online at one time continues to be around the same levels. Kind of contradicts what you just posted.
There Is Always Hope!