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Can you find a bad review for this game ? because I can't

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  • Ares767Ares767 Member Posts: 12

    Originally posted by stragen001

    Originally posted by gorro187



    Gamepro did a video review of it and bashed it to hell. Here's a link to the video. gave it like a 2 out of 10 lol. just answering your question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVieZI5296I

    Stopped watching after "Ive been playing SWTOR for about a week now, i dont know how many hours I've put in probably about 15 or so"

    Only 15hrs playtime = Not a valid review. They wont have even got off the starter planets if they played all the content

    playtime shouldn't matter for a review much, i see 15 hrs as a normal amount of time played before most reviews are given.

     

    if a game can't catch a players attention and make them happy early on, then later in the game won't matter because players won't make it that far before quiting nor care to.  A great endgame is useless without a good early game.

    My opinion

  • TerranahTerranah Member UncommonPosts: 3,575

    The sites you list as legitimate get money from SWTOR for advertising.  So it's wierd you would think they were more legit than an independent review.

     

    If I gave you $1500  every month for you to advertise my game and you run a negative article, I'm not going to continue advertising in your periodical.  Therefore, if you wanted my continued financial support you will not post a negative review.

  • CorehavenCorehaven Member UncommonPosts: 1,533

    Beats me man. 

     

    But if you want some overwhelmingly bad reviews?  How about Metacritic and you can check out the player scores.  Because the players are giving it some pretty nasty reviews.  Yea.  Not looking too great there. 

     

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-the-old-republic

     

    Whats that?  An average score of 6.1 ?  Oh right though.   Now I have no doubt some of you will explain to me that there are trolls giving it a low score.  But you know, that works both ways with fanboys doing the same.  So that doesnt fly.   Players dont seem to be enjoying it quite as much as the professional reviewers did.  Wonder why that is.  Hmmmm........

  • Creslin321Creslin321 Member Posts: 5,359

    To anyone who is thinking about basing their purchase decision off of the professional reviews, I would like to point out one thing.

    WAR and SWTOR currently have the EXACT same metascore.

    Professional critics are very bad at rating MMORPGs in my experience.  If you are thinking about buying this game, then watch videos, read about its features, see what players are saying etc.  You can get a pretty good idea of what it is like this without having to depend on the ridiculous review scores.

    Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  • RavenspenRavenspen Member UncommonPosts: 104

    The so called gamepro review featured some honest criticisim, but on less than 15 hours of play for most of them published before the game launched from a company that doesn't exist anymore... that's right, gamepro doesn't exist and hasn't since before SWTOR even launched. 

    They were folded into PCworld on DC 5th and there is no review anywhere that I could find from them on PCWorld.   Meta crtic average is 86 for professional reviewers and before someone says those are paid reviews, it is a fair number and meta critic routinly black lists publications it has evidence were conducting unethical reviews.  This game is not a 9/10 + game in it's current state, but it's certainly a 8.5/10 with asperations of 9/10. 

    I'm also trying to figure out where you're getting this 1/10 or 2/10 review atributed to them.  Half the coments were positive or a critcisim of MMO's in general and there was no mention of a numeric review.  This was just the preview video for a forthcoming review that never occured and probably won't now that they have folded.

    Those who call it a 4/10 either don't understand that should be reserved for a game with serious flaws that prevent you from even playing the game with seriously broken mechanics. 

    All I know is that it is great fun to play.

    p.s., the players here are a horid example of a realistic player opinion.  For that I would go to a MMO site like Massively that isn't as dominated by the bitter sandbox crowd and is more balanced in their coverage.

  • pedrostrikpedrostrik Member UncommonPosts: 396

    those reviews are bought (all of them) , (industry) there's need to get a new hit to sell as colas they made it with KOTOR, game its not better or worse than 100 more out right now

  • RizelStarRizelStar Member UncommonPosts: 2,773

    Originally posted by Terranah

    The sites you list as legitimate get money from SWTOR for advertising.  So it's wierd you would think they were more legit than an independent review.

     

    If I gave you $1500  every month for you to advertise my game and you run a negative article, I'm not going to continue advertising in your periodical.  Therefore, if you wanted my continued financial support you will not post a negative review.

    Common sense lol.

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    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • RizelStarRizelStar Member UncommonPosts: 2,773

    Originally posted by Omni1rbb

    Originally posted by chilliz

    I couldnt find a bad review of WAR, Aoc, aion, Rift, etc etc............................then the shite hit the fan.

    Ummmmmm no the shite never hit the fan.  All of those games you mentioned above are highly successful, with the execption being WAR (which was extremely successful for a time).

     

    I'm sick of idiots and their doom and gloom mentality claiming everything to be a failure.  

    Aion f2p next month.

     

    AOC f2p with limitations

     

    Rift few high servers, I played it last week only had one started with an W or H I believe.

    Umm hmm, any way I liked Angry Joe's final impressions.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2q3imRLu18&feature=relmfu

    Listen carefully on what he says. It's pretty fair and that was in OB of course but obviousely not much changed so it could applied now.

    I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

    I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • ooblaoobla Member Posts: 87

    Originally posted by Corehaven

    Beats me man. 

     

    But if you want some overwhelmingly bad reviews?  How about Metacritic and you can check out the player scores.  Because the players are giving it some pretty nasty reviews.  Yea.  Not looking too great there. 

     

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-wars-the-old-republic

     

    Whats that?  An average score of 6.1 ?  Oh right though.   Now I have no doubt some of you will explain to me that there are trolls giving it a low score.  But you know, that works both ways with fanboys doing the same.  So that doesnt fly.   Players dont seem to be enjoying it quite as much as the professional reviewers did.  Wonder why that is.  Hmmmm........

    As I said at the start it had to a review from a site not reviews by people in general .Whats to stop  fans from another game adding a score of 1 to that for thier score when they've never played the game ?

    You see most people will be honest in something like that if they are enjoying the game and proberbly give it say maybe an 8 . In that case you'll get a few fanboys scoring it ten but the same about of trolls scoring it 1 will lower the score average . Its a low easier to lower a score like that than it is to raise one .

    The actual score on metacritic is 8.6 which is 0.6 points above what I would give it .The game like WoW is a little to easy for me but thats not stopped me playing WoW in the past . Currently I would give WoW an 8 for the same reasons . For me it would take a game like Vanilla WoW to have a 9 and a genre changing original concept to get anything between 9-10 .

    So I do think some of these reviews are a bit exhuberant .

    Its a big web you would think a critic writing a review on a gaming site somewhere would dislike it but as Corehavens just proven its very difficult to find a decenting voice .

     

  • LeucentLeucent Member Posts: 2,371

    Hard to find a bad review on a good game.

  • PuremallacePuremallace Member Posts: 1,856

    Originally posted by Leucent

    Hard to find a bad review on a good game.

    Go read the "good" reviews and look at the negative they list. Game gets 9/10 for innovation and they list one thing which is the voiceovers and crafting. If that rates a 9/10 we are BEYOND screwed.

     

    I love the people blowing off half the crap missing that Rift launched with. It is funny. Swimming is not a mmo feature these days apparently.

  • LeucentLeucent Member Posts: 2,371

    Originally posted by Puremallace

    Originally posted by Leucent

    Hard to find a bad review on a good game.

    Go read the "good" reviews and look at the negative they list. Game gets 9/10 for innovation and they list one thing which is the voiceovers and crafting. If that rates a 9/10 we are BEYOND screwed.

     

    I love the people blowing off half the crap missing that Rift launched with. It is funny. Swimming is not a mmo feature these days apparently.

    For me and obviously many many people, Rift = boring, and that happened in a week or 2. SWTOR is keeping me very entertained, and I tested it quite awhile, and now at release. To each their own, but I think SWTOR is miles ahead of Rift. Sorry if you like Rift.

    Besides I don t need to read reviews, good or bad to tell me how a game is, I play it and already love it.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by Leucent

    Originally posted by Puremallace


    Originally posted by Leucent

    Hard to find a bad review on a good game.

    Go read the "good" reviews and look at the negative they list. Game gets 9/10 for innovation and they list one thing which is the voiceovers and crafting. If that rates a 9/10 we are BEYOND screwed.

     

    I love the people blowing off half the crap missing that Rift launched with. It is funny. Swimming is not a mmo feature these days apparently.

    For me and obviously many many people, Rift = boring, and that happened in a week or 2. SWTOR is keeping me very entertained, and I tested it quite awhile, and now at release. To each their own, but I think SWTOR is miles ahead of Rift. Sorry if you like Rift.

    Besides I don t need to read reviews, good or bad to tell me how a game is, I play it and already love it.

    curious how you feel its miles ahead of rift.. aside from the story aspects its miles behind rift in many of the MMO aspects.. what do you feel makes it miles ahead?

  • PuremallacePuremallace Member Posts: 1,856

    Originally posted by sanosukex

    curious how you feel its miles ahead of rift.. aside from the story aspects its miles behind rift in many of the MMO aspects.. what do you feel makes it miles ahead?

    Here i'll answer this

    Space not fantasy

    Voiceover not reading

    Star Wars not Warcraft

     

    There you go. TOR's appeal in 3 sentences. The next 6 months will be spent begging for features and updates Rift launched with. The game got a crap ton of rewards from credited sites for a reason.

     

    I can;t justify sub'n to a game where there is literally zero reason to leave the path. Go do it you will see. There is nothing there. I just climbed a mountain in IPP in Rift trying to find a hidden puzzle.

     

    The concept is not hard just the devs like Bioware and Blizzard are too lazy to do it and they get praised for it. Just face the reality that I did that the genre is screwed and is dead. TOR is not terrible, but I got too much experience in MMO's to sit here and tell a dev why a /roll feature is good or even the most simple macro system is a good thing.

     

    Bioware launched a mmo in 2011 that barely qualifies as a mmo from 2007. Look guys the 1.1 update that is supposed to be the big sub holder is introducing AA. Seriously AA?

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by Puremallace

    Originally posted by sanosukex



    curious how you feel its miles ahead of rift.. aside from the story aspects its miles behind rift in many of the MMO aspects.. what do you feel makes it miles ahead?

    Here i'll answer this

    Space not fantasy

    Voiceover not reading

    Star Wars not Warcraft

     

    There you go. TOR's appeal in 3 sentences. The next 6 months will be spent begging for features and updates Rift launched with. The game got a crap ton of rewards from credited sites for a reason.

     

    I can;t justify sub'n to a game where there is literally zero reason to leave the path. Go do it you will see. There is nothing there. I just climbed a mountain in IPP in Rift trying to find a hidden puzzle.

     

    The concept is not hard just the devs like Bioware and Blizzard are too lazy to do it and they get praised for it. Just face the reality that I did that the genre is screwed and is dead.

    heh well I played Rift for 7 months and enjoyed it but after I got level 50 with all 4 classes there was no reason to stay.. now in TOR I got 4 characters to level 20 and I'm struggling to want to continue to play and it hasn't even been a month..

  • ooblaoobla Member Posts: 87

    Originally posted by Omni1rbb

    Originally posted by chilliz

    I couldnt find a bad review of WAR, Aoc, aion, Rift, etc etc............................then the shite hit the fan.

    Ummmmmm no the shite never hit the fan.  All of those games you mentioned above are highly successful, with the execption being WAR (which was extremely successful for a time).

     

    I'm sick of idiots and their doom and gloom mentality claiming everything to be a failure.  

    I totally agree . What is it with people on the forums on this website . I've never seen so much hate for the genre . If people come on here to guage what a games like all you'll see people trying to destroy one game or another . I cant understand that mentality if you don't like mmos why play them ? I wonder why games companys invest in advertising here knowing thier product will be ripped apart . It could only take a few developers to remove thier advertising revenue and this whole site could come down like a house of cards .

    I think thats where its heading sooner or later .

  • LeucentLeucent Member Posts: 2,371

    Originally posted by sanosukex

    Originally posted by Leucent


    Originally posted by Puremallace


    Originally posted by Leucent

    Hard to find a bad review on a good game.

    Go read the "good" reviews and look at the negative they list. Game gets 9/10 for innovation and they list one thing which is the voiceovers and crafting. If that rates a 9/10 we are BEYOND screwed.

     

    I love the people blowing off half the crap missing that Rift launched with. It is funny. Swimming is not a mmo feature these days apparently.

    For me and obviously many many people, Rift = boring, and that happened in a week or 2. SWTOR is keeping me very entertained, and I tested it quite awhile, and now at release. To each their own, but I think SWTOR is miles ahead of Rift. Sorry if you like Rift.

    Besides I don t need to read reviews, good or bad to tell me how a game is, I play it and already love it.

    curious how you feel its miles ahead of rift.. aside from the story aspects its miles behind rift in many of the MMO aspects.. what do you feel makes it miles ahead?

    Hmm let see. To me replayabilty in Rift was terribly, SW to me I enjoy it. Rift, I never felt connected to my char, SW I completely do. Rift small closed off world, SW not at all, it s large. I enjoy the space combat, and look forward to what they plan to add, Rift nothing like that. Rifts themselves drove me nuts and became stale in a week. Both of their BG s I ll say are equal, Rift has next to none in end game pvp, SW has alot more then people are saying, and improvements to it on Tues.

    Rift classes bored the hell out of me, SW they all are fun to me to play. No imagination in Rift, every event is literally the same thing. Get some dailies, collect tears etc, from doing rifts that I couldn t stand doing anymore. To me Rift just felt boring and pointless in a short time. SW I m enjoying alot, and I can see the improvements and content additions will keep me busy for a long time, and co exist with GW2 when it comes out.

  • AbdarAbdar Member UncommonPosts: 400

    I could give you a bad review, but why would or should you even care? If you like the game just play it instead of creating yet another hater vs fanboy thread.

  • ooblaoobla Member Posts: 87

    Originally posted by Leucent

    Originally posted by sanosukex


    Originally posted by Leucent


    Originally posted by Puremallace


    Originally posted by Leucent

    Hard to find a bad review on a good game.

    Go read the "good" reviews and look at the negative they list. Game gets 9/10 for innovation and they list one thing which is the voiceovers and crafting. If that rates a 9/10 we are BEYOND screwed.

     

    I love the people blowing off half the crap missing that Rift launched with. It is funny. Swimming is not a mmo feature these days apparently.

    For me and obviously many many people, Rift = boring, and that happened in a week or 2. SWTOR is keeping me very entertained, and I tested it quite awhile, and now at release. To each their own, but I think SWTOR is miles ahead of Rift. Sorry if you like Rift.

    Besides I don t need to read reviews, good or bad to tell me how a game is, I play it and already love it.

    curious how you feel its miles ahead of rift.. aside from the story aspects its miles behind rift in many of the MMO aspects.. what do you feel makes it miles ahead?

    Hmm let see. To me replayabilty in Rift was terribly, SW to me I enjoy it. Rift, I never felt connected to my char, SW I completely do. Rift small closed off world, SW not at all, it s large. I enjoy the space combat, and look forward to what they plan to add, Rift nothing like that. Rifts themselves drove me nuts and became stale in a week. Both of their BG s I ll say are equal, Rift has next to none in end game pvp, SW has alot more then people are saying, and improvements to it on Tues.

    Rift classes bored the hell out of me, SW they all are fun to me to play. No imagination in Rift, every event is literally the same thing. Get some dailies, collect tears etc, from doing rifts that I couldn t stand doing anymore. To me Rift just felt boring and pointless in a short time. SW I m enjoying alot, and I can see the improvements and content additions will keep me busy for a long time, and co exist with GW2 when it comes out.

    I enjoy both Rift and Tor on different levels . They are chalk and cheese . I think I ll most likly alternate between both .

    Thats me though I m an mmo nomad . A change is as good as a rest .

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by Leucent

    Hmm let see. To me replayabilty in Rift was terribly, SW to me I enjoy it. Rift, I never felt connected to my char, SW I completely do. Rift small closed off world, SW not at all, it s large. I enjoy the space combat, and look forward to what they plan to add, Rift nothing like that. Rifts themselves drove me nuts and became stale in a week. Both of their BG s I ll say are equal, Rift has next to none in end game pvp, SW has alot more then people are saying, and improvements to it on Tues.

    Rift classes bored the hell out of me, SW they all are fun to me to play. No imagination in Rift, every event is literally the same thing. Get some dailies, collect tears etc, from doing rifts that I couldn t stand doing anymore. To me Rift just felt boring and pointless in a short time. SW I m enjoying alot, and I can see the improvements and content additions will keep me busy for a long time, and co exist with GW2 when it comes out.

    all the classes are fun in TOR yet none in Rift... wow... considering they both use the exact same trinity system yet rift went a step further by adding a support role and allowing you to come up with TONS of combinations of talent builds(yes there were cookie cutters but you could still come up with TONS of viable alternates)... not to mention they didn't pigeon hole you into a single role and in TOR you can't change specs without going back to a trainer and dropping all your points for a respec, real cutting edge stuff here....nevermind ill just forget everything I read from you and move on

  • ooblaoobla Member Posts: 87

    Originally posted by Abdar

    I could give you a bad review, but why would or should you even care? If you like the game just play it instead of creating yet another hater vs fanboy thread.

    Can you link that review please or do you mean its a personal review ? Personal reviews dont really count the idea of this thread is to find a reviewer giving a bad review . There must be some somewhere .

    As I said earlier its a big net the challenge is to find and link a bad review .

    Quite suprised no ones managed to do it yet .

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270

    Originally posted by oobla

    I rarely use this website unless I want to guage what a new games like before buying it . To look at some of the comments here you would think StarWars the Old Republic is a terrible game . So I went searching the web to see if I could find a review thats negative about it . So far every one I've come across sings its praises.

    So I would like to challege someone to find a negative review (as long as its from a reasonably legitimate source ie a relativly well known gaming website ,newpaper or magazine website . Not someones blog review or a gaming site that invites people to submit thier own reviews .

    I'm sure there must be a few out there  but all in all the reviews I've seen are overwealmingly possative .

     

    Here is one! It is very professional and unbiased - http://sandboxer.org/?p=261

  • LeucentLeucent Member Posts: 2,371

    Originally posted by sanosukex

    Originally posted by Leucent



    Hmm let see. To me replayabilty in Rift was terribly, SW to me I enjoy it. Rift, I never felt connected to my char, SW I completely do. Rift small closed off world, SW not at all, it s large. I enjoy the space combat, and look forward to what they plan to add, Rift nothing like that. Rifts themselves drove me nuts and became stale in a week. Both of their BG s I ll say are equal, Rift has next to none in end game pvp, SW has alot more then people are saying, and improvements to it on Tues.

    Rift classes bored the hell out of me, SW they all are fun to me to play. No imagination in Rift, every event is literally the same thing. Get some dailies, collect tears etc, from doing rifts that I couldn t stand doing anymore. To me Rift just felt boring and pointless in a short time. SW I m enjoying alot, and I can see the improvements and content additions will keep me busy for a long time, and co exist with GW2 when it comes out.

    all the classes are fun in TOR yet none in Rift... wow... considering they both use the exact same trinity system yet rift went a step further by adding a support role and allowing you to come up with TONS of combinations of talent builds(yes there were cookie cutters but you could still come up with TONS of viable alternates)... not to mention they didn't pigeon hole you into a single role and not let you get out of it without going back to a trainer and dropping all your points for a respec....nevermind ill just forget everything I read from you and move on

    Lol, it s not trinity systme, it s how they feel, In Rift my warrior, was boring, in Sw I love my sith warrior. Now thats how I feel, could care less about how anyone else feels about it, but since you asked I answered to how I feel.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by oobla

    Originally posted by Abdar

    I could give you a bad review, but why would or should you even care? If you like the game just play it instead of creating yet another hater vs fanboy thread.

    Can you link that review please or do you mean its a personal review ? Personal reviews dont really count the idea of this thread is to find a reviewer giving a bad review . There must be some somewhere .

    As I said earlier its a big net the challenge is to find and link a bad review .

    Quite suprised no ones managed to do it yet .

    cause your not going to find a big site review or even a not so big review site review bash a game with this much money behind it..

  • sanosukexsanosukex Member Posts: 1,836

    Originally posted by Leucent

    Originally posted by sanosukex


    Originally posted by Leucent



    Hmm let see. To me replayabilty in Rift was terribly, SW to me I enjoy it. Rift, I never felt connected to my char, SW I completely do. Rift small closed off world, SW not at all, it s large. I enjoy the space combat, and look forward to what they plan to add, Rift nothing like that. Rifts themselves drove me nuts and became stale in a week. Both of their BG s I ll say are equal, Rift has next to none in end game pvp, SW has alot more then people are saying, and improvements to it on Tues.

    Rift classes bored the hell out of me, SW they all are fun to me to play. No imagination in Rift, every event is literally the same thing. Get some dailies, collect tears etc, from doing rifts that I couldn t stand doing anymore. To me Rift just felt boring and pointless in a short time. SW I m enjoying alot, and I can see the improvements and content additions will keep me busy for a long time, and co exist with GW2 when it comes out.

    all the classes are fun in TOR yet none in Rift... wow... considering they both use the exact same trinity system yet rift went a step further by adding a support role and allowing you to come up with TONS of combinations of talent builds(yes there were cookie cutters but you could still come up with TONS of viable alternates)... not to mention they didn't pigeon hole you into a single role and not let you get out of it without going back to a trainer and dropping all your points for a respec....nevermind ill just forget everything I read from you and move on

    Lol, it s not trinity systme, it s how they feel, In Rift my warrior, was boring, in Sw I love my sith warrior. Now thats how I feel, could care less about how anyone else feels about it, but since you asked I answered to how I feel.

    EDITED NM misread what you typed anyway...

    oh and I asked because I enjoyed Rift and feel like I'm loosing my mind trying to like this game since I'm a huge star wars and bioware fan but just can't find any redeaming reason to continue to play so I'm curious what keeps others playing.

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