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Give me 1 thing. that SWTOR Does 100% diffrent or new from any mmorpg every made
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actually yeah it does have to be new because in the long run, it's boring. and your reasoning behind the call of duties is EXACTLY the reason why i don't ever play FPS games, stand there and shoot in a straight line while some nerdrage is screamed into the mic by a douche somewhere is never fun.
SWTOR was touted just like Rift was, as a next gen mmo, that means they claimed they had features no one else had and that they were changing the gaming world with these features, it's not unreasonable for someone who plays the game to answer the OP's question honestly. What makes it a next gen mmo? What's never been done before?
Well if you want a real answer... companions, a good story with an interesting plot and acrobatic/pretty combat.
That's truly what they did different. Does the OP want that answer? From his tone.. no.
keep watching, GW2 is coming.
This is somewhat of what I mean. Just because you can theoretically check some boxes on a list doesn't mean the spirit is the same. Games cross genre lines by taking mechanics from other games all the time. No matter how specific I make the criteria you can probably argue that this or that game is or is not an MMO.
The thing about formal logic is that its still based on assumptions at the start.
All trees are ladders. All ladders are cows. Therefore all trees are cows.
That is logically flawless, but it is clearly not true. When you start from different assumptions logic isn't going to bring you together to a conclusion.
There is a similar argument in music about what is punk and what isn't. Pop punk isn't really following the intention of punk. I love pop punk, but pop punk is sort of viewed as the privileged rich kids who parts and get drunk and sleep around and do the whole appearance thing with like green highlights or a faxuhawk and think they are rebels, where punk originated as a working class expression of rage and unfairness and a drive to throw off mainstream middle class culture.
Pop punkers looked at that and liked it because they felt oppressed and the music resonated, but they could afford to listened to produced bands and they didn't actually want to give up their middle class privilege so their music was more about teenage angst and drama as opposed to dealing with wage slavery and not being able to do the things that compromised the middleclass ideal. Sending your kids to college? Maybe if you gave up your whole life to do it and sent them to a state school.
Spending multiple hours a day training your character, seriously role playing, using your imagination, changing the world and such was the ideal. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TIME INTENSIVE. Casuals came in and they were just looking for some quick fun, maybe an hour or two a day. And thats perfectly okay, but its not what the spirit of MMORPGs were about.
Did you ever read a book and imagine you were a character and run through entire adventures in your head for hours, even after the story was over you would keep going back and making your own. That was what mmorpgs were supposed to be.
Modern games aren't bad. For the goal they seek they do it quite well. But the spirit isn't the same.
Aren't the modern bioware pretend consequences in there? I don't just mean the sandard slightly differing cutscenes. I read a t one point that your choices lead to a slightly differing enemy configuration in some instances. Admitadely it's been done in a half arsed manner i.e. six of one or half dozen of the other form. Not sure if this has been done before?
Also, would love to see that list. SWTOR developers never did claim that this game would innovate this genre. ANet is claiming that with GW2. Then you can make a list of things (i hope). I really doubt that you have even 3 things you can mention that are new or innovative about SWTOR.
Question OP makes is more around the fact that there is a large number of players that feel that any new product released should not be an extension of past models, or at least try to make an effort to look like a product launched in the second decade of the new millennium, and not a copy-paste mode of old games (praise to them for they are where all begun).
I've highlighted some blue if you could "be bothered" to read it. You specifically said that you don't consider them MMO's... then you come back and say that "modern mmo's are awesome games". So.... they're not MMO's.... but they are MMO's and they're awesome? Huh?
I'm just sick of people saying games aren't mmo's just because they don't like them. It's ridiculous. Just call it a fucking MMO you don't like.
seriously these people who keep saying it's a rant post need to learn reading comprehension, the op simply wanted to know what makes it different and why he/she should play. why is that hard?
Nothing...
Too bad i already bought the game...45 shadow and already got bored...give my 55 euros back pls...
WOW has done it LONG TIME ago. You get a PET for getting the authenticator.
BTW, why does it have to be 100% new to be good? I have been playing SKYRIM and i have not found anything that is 100% new but it is still a phenomenal game.
Clever but no. The term "Online game" indicates a persistant world. Which is another critera of a MMO. Forgot to go into detail about that because I thought it was common knowledge. A game without a persistant world, most here would even agree, is not an MMORPG.
The fact is... the people saying these games aren't MMO's aren't doing so because of Technical mumbo jumbo... they're saying it because they don't like the game.
If you know what the "spirit" of an MMO is all about, then you know that TOR is an MMO and battlefield 3 is not. Just because someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean they need to say it's not an MMO.
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This is about all I could think of.
Though really games don't have to be entirely new but they should be able to do what other games had...better, and I mean just the basics, not the fancy stuff, but real simplethings.
Hasn't been done yet, It could be soon or it could be years from now.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Taking part in a group conversation while you're not there, via holo-projection?
I also don't recall other mmo's having a queue system like SWTOR does for BG's: random, as well as classes from 10-50/soon to be 10-49.
:all the stuff pony pointed out: Nice post BTW pony:
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I guess you mean random ONLY
Yep, because that's how it is. Which I don't recall other MMO's being this way.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
" Imagine consequences for decisions and personal responsibility in a video game. "
I dont have to imagine such things. I played EQ back in 1999. and in that game, your decisions in the game world had a direct impact on the community and you had a reputation with the PLAYERS, with the COMMUNITY itself. SWTOR wants to hold your hand on this linear theme park ride -- give the players the world and let them be the story. this is not an MMO.
...You mean this is not an MMORPG? EmPHAsis on the RPG, because you'll hardly win the argument that this isn't an MMO...
Story focus with dialog. If your comparing it to not just MMos but single players, then absolutely nothing.
Age of Conan
Haven't you got that the wrong way round
RPG sure, its a very good RPG
MMO, don't make me laugh, I'm on a full server, theres 4 shards of my current planet running, I haven't seen more than 7 people on screen outside the PVP minigames.
We will simply have to agree to disagree. For me TOR is the only MMO out that actually is an MMORPG. And no it isn't just story, it's a combination of many things and that includes story. TOR has the mechanics and the story and a lot of extra's that not only make it an RPG but a Bioware RPG ( though I will admit not the best Bioware RPG).
And yeah, I can agree with the interactive movie comment. In TOR you get the sense your the "hero" which fits in line with the whole RPG side of things.
Wish other themeparks would catch on that being Errand boy Online with nothing but raiding to look forward to is NOT an MMORPG lol.
In any case I'm getting what I want out of TOR and it's softening me up towards themeparks.
The OP said "100% different or new". Some people list things that SWTOR tweaked, but aren't really unique. Not that I care what the OP was looking for. The holocalls are pretty awesome and unlike crafting or item modding, I've never seen anything like it.