and so the cat is out of the bag! EA has done it again! [High Rez Textures Thread]

Teala

Originally posted by mmoguy43

Originally posted by cyress8

I'm still wondering how they can say having a medium option was a bug.

It is possible the medium option was a default option that can with the hero engine.

No...because the UI style has to be created by the designer.   Bioware had to create the UI controls and format.

Badem

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

Paradigm68

I don't think there will be much of a backlash. The players who enjoy this kind of game probably aren't that picky about details like this.

Professor78

Originally posted by Obidom

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

RIFT

NBlitz

Originally posted by Obidom

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

From the forums. Someone who is schooled in this department: can you back this up? 

 

Thank you for the explanation. However, this whole issue falls under false advertisement or deceptive advertising. Bioware willfully used false or misleading advertising for swtor which persuaded many of us into commercial transactions that we might otherwise passed on. I think Bioware should offer refunds to the people that bought the product because the deceptive advertising persuaded them to buy it. There are laws here in California that protect consumers from this practice and the FTC has laws and the Lanham Act. To establish a violation under the Lanham Act, consumers and competitors must prove the following: (1) the advertiser made false statements of fact about its product; (2) the false advertisements actually deceived or had the capacity to deceive a substantial segment of the target population; (3) the deception was material; (4) the falsely advertised product was sold in interstate commerce I think what Bioware did qualifies as a violation of the Lanham Act.

 

Bunks

Oh God, this makes me not even want to go on ventrillo tonight. After they tried to blame it on low end computers yesterday, the uproar by some guys with ultra high end machines went ballistic. Now when they find out they built these high end machines for this game, and then hear this...

Honestly, this is indefensible, not the game or graphics since it was obviously a fix to a poorly made engine, but EA's deception and excuses trying to blame the victim(customers).

Lidane

Eh. Whatever. I'm not a graphics junkie anyway. 

The game looks fine. I've got everything maxed out and still get crazy FPS with no lag. If they come out with a high-res client later, great. If not, I'm not going to cry. Either way, I'm just going to play and enjoy the game for as long as it stays fun.

mmoguy43

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by mmoguy43

Originally posted by cyress8

I'm still wondering how they can say having a medium option was a bug.

It is possible the medium option was a default option that can with the hero engine.

No...because the UI style has to be created by the designer.   Bioware had to create the UI controls and format.

Now that I think about it you are right. So they originally had a "Medium" setting and later decided to omit it and they called it a bug the it was still shown.

 

@ everyone sayin gBioware says it was a bug for the lack of high res textures /facepalm GO BACK and read it

JeroKane

Originally posted by nblitz

Originally posted by Obidom

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

From the forums. Someone who is schooled in this department: can you back this up? 

 

Thank you for the explanation. However, this whole issue falls under false advertisement or deceptive advertising. Bioware willfully used false or misleading advertising for swtor which persuaded many of us into commercial transactions that we might otherwise passed on. I think Bioware should offer refunds to the people that bought the product because the deceptive advertising persuaded them to buy it. There are laws here in California that protect consumers from this practice and the FTC has laws and the Lanham Act. To establish a violation under the Lanham Act, consumers and competitors must prove the following: (1) the advertiser made false statements of fact about its product; (2) the false advertisements actually deceived or had the capacity to deceive a substantial segment of the target population; (3) the deception was material; (4) the falsely advertised product was sold in interstate commerce I think what Bioware did qualifies as a violation of the Lanham Act.

 

You know what? Have you check the topic?

The mods are now in FULL FORCE deleting all posts in that topic than bring these laws up with links. They all being deleted lol.

I am really interested to see how this PR s-hitstorm is going to unfold. They really messed up Big Time with this! That is for sure!

cheyane

This is a non issue for me I am in it for the story. Is the deception material ?

illorion

Originally posted by nblitz

Originally posted by Obidom

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

From the forums. Someone who is schooled in this department: can you back this up? 

 

Thank you for the explanation. However, this whole issue falls under false advertisement or deceptive advertising. Bioware willfully used false or misleading advertising for swtor which persuaded many of us into commercial transactions that we might otherwise passed on. I think Bioware should offer refunds to the people that bought the product because the deceptive advertising persuaded them to buy it. There are laws here in California that protect consumers from this practice and the FTC has laws and the Lanham Act. To establish a violation under the Lanham Act, consumers and competitors must prove the following: (1) the advertiser made false statements of fact about its product; (2) the false advertisements actually deceived or had the capacity to deceive a substantial segment of the target population; (3) the deception was material; (4) the falsely advertised product was sold in interstate commerce I think what Bioware did qualifies as a violation of the Lanham Act.

 

^ this...

Although im sure that there would be some issue with argueing whether or not BW/LA/EA actually made statements about the nature of the graphics anyone with half a brain would be able to argue that In the gaming industry gameplay videos and beta demos are "statements" when it comes to selling a game

BadSpock

Originally posted by JeroKane

You really do not get it do you??

Every dumb blond bimbo and her mother knows the difference between a cinematic CGI video and "true" ingame footage! /facepalm

Have you even bothered to look at LIVE developer videos? Ingame showcase footage? Early beta footage by players?

Even more importantly! Have you even bothered to look at all the official screenshots on the main site? The difference in character model quality is so blatanly obvious, it isn't even funny!

They made a hard coded change in the client software to reduce the texture quality on character models by 50%!

Hence why your characters armor textures look blurry and muddy!

They should have communicated this decision BEFORE launch and changed the advertised footage on their website to reflect the change!

They did not and kept it deliberately secret from the playerbase, keeping up the shroud of it just being a bugged that would be fixed!

A company that employs these kind of shady "underhand" tactics on their customers. That you are fine with it and continue to support such a company. That's fine! That is YOUR choice!

Oh I have. But I don't care.

I still think the game looks great and if it was 100% cinematic textures my rig would probably not be able to run it as well. I never even noticed the graphics "change" in a cutscene.

This is what it sounds like to me:

Bioware creates game with high res textures. There are some issues. Only people with uber rigs can run the game maxed out in beta - people complain.

Bioware decides it'd be better to lower the graphics a bit in the open world so that 99% of people can have a better play experience, and still the uber graphics in conversations where the "zoomed in" camera has a big effect.

Due to time constraints, getting the uber high res textures and such back into the game for the 1% with uber rigs is pushed to a "post launch" consideration.

We are now post launch, things are being done to put them back in for peope who can run them.

 

This is a problem why?

If developers told us every change and re-do they made during the development process of the game, we'd get 100 e-mails or more a day.

Was this some conspiracy to dupe people into thinking the game looked better than it did?

NO.

Anyone who thinks so needs to take off the tin foil hat and re-join reality (or join for the first time)

NBlitz

Originally posted by JeroKane

Originally posted by nblitz

Originally posted by Obidom

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

From the forums. Someone who is schooled in this department: can you back this up? 

 

Thank you for the explanation. However, this whole issue falls under false advertisement or deceptive advertising. Bioware willfully used false or misleading advertising for swtor which persuaded many of us into commercial transactions that we might otherwise passed on. I think Bioware should offer refunds to the people that bought the product because the deceptive advertising persuaded them to buy it. There are laws here in California that protect consumers from this practice and the FTC has laws and the Lanham Act. To establish a violation under the Lanham Act, consumers and competitors must prove the following: (1) the advertiser made false statements of fact about its product; (2) the false advertisements actually deceived or had the capacity to deceive a substantial segment of the target population; (3) the deception was material; (4) the falsely advertised product was sold in interstate commerce I think what Bioware did qualifies as a violation of the Lanham Act.

 

You know what? Have you check the topic?

The mods are now in FULL FORCE deleting all posts in that topic than bring these laws up with links. They all being deleted lol.

I am really interested to see how this PR s-hitstorm is going to unfold. They really messed up Big Time with this! That is for sure!

OMG YES! I JUST saw that.

 

" they are deleting posts about in depth legal violations on this thread"

Lateris

  http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/951199-star-wars-the-old-republic/61343050





 

BadSpock

Originally posted by illorion

^ this...

Although im sure that there would be some issue with argueing whether or not BW/LA/EA actually made statements about the nature of the graphics anyone with half a brain would be able to argue that In the gaming industry gameplay videos and beta demos are "statements" when it comes to selling a game

Umm this is why they do the whole "work in progress" thing with EVERYTHING that is released before launch.

They are 100% legally covered.

Enjoy losing all your money in court lol and getting laughed at by the judge who throws out teh case

MisterSr

Ughh yeah, what jerks--so disgusted *sarcasm*. Seriously? The game is rendering lower resolution textures and it still looks pretty good, not to mention graphics don't make a game, the ACTUAL game makes the game--and this is a pretty excellent game. Granted I too would like to see a graphics boost too, there's nothing to complain about here. Grow up and move along people.

ScoutMastr

built two computers myself in anticipation for this game, and noticed the graphics were nothing to get excited about--but then I read where you guys said they were going to bring back high resolution textures, and thought maybe...oh well, guess not. I'm starting to think they made a poor decision on the engine--I think it was the Hero engine--because there are little details and options missing in this game...or rather limitations. As a community we keep trying to justify it by stating how and why a MMO would limit these things, and that this is just a base to build from going forward, but now I'm starting to suspect there isn't much room for improvement.

Professor78

Game should be offered as free to play until ready then, just like what FFXIV did.

WhiteLantern

Originally posted by nblitz

Originally posted by Obidom

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

From the forums. Someone who is schooled in this department: can you back this up? 

 

Thank you for the explanation. However, this whole issue falls under false advertisement or deceptive advertising. Bioware willfully used false or misleading advertising for swtor which persuaded many of us into commercial transactions that we might otherwise passed on. I think Bioware should offer refunds to the people that bought the product because the deceptive advertising persuaded them to buy it. There are laws here in California that protect consumers from this practice and the FTC has laws and the Lanham Act. To establish a violation under the Lanham Act, consumers and competitors must prove the following: (1) the advertiser made false statements of fact about its product; (2) the false advertisements actually deceived or had the capacity to deceive a substantial segment of the target population; (3) the deception was material; (4) the falsely advertised product was sold in interstate commerce I think what Bioware did qualifies as a violation of the Lanham Act.

 

Internet lawyers, advance!

This. Is. Assinine. It amounts to a handful of people (don't care if it's a thousand) complaining because their silver platter has a bare spot on it.

If someone bought this game soley because BW claimed it had high-rez textures, they've got a real sheltered-life issue going on.

Where's Pony? Pony, we've got another first-world problem here!

Oziius

Originally posted by nblitz

Originally posted by Obidom

 

And you know what? I am actually suprised that response was approved to be posted, as they are now official subjective to criminal charges (read request for FULL refunds from customers).

Can you state teh Penal code or law that they broke?

 

LOL Civil matter at most and if you read the EULA you will find you can do nothing about it as 'Gameplay is subject to change at any time'

 

Please, Please, tell me at least one game where the game launched as smoothly as SWTOR? one game where the Promo 'Teasers' where EXACTLY like the gameplay for the MMO?

 

 

From the forums. Someone who is schooled in this department: can you back this up? 

 

Thank you for the explanation. However, this whole issue falls under false advertisement or deceptive advertising. Bioware willfully used false or misleading advertising for swtor which persuaded many of us into commercial transactions that we might otherwise passed on. I think Bioware should offer refunds to the people that bought the product because the deceptive advertising persuaded them to buy it. There are laws here in California that protect consumers from this practice and the FTC has laws and the Lanham Act. To establish a violation under the Lanham Act, consumers and competitors must prove the following: (1) the advertiser made false statements of fact about its product; (2) the false advertisements actually deceived or had the capacity to deceive a substantial segment of the target population; (3) the deception was material; (4) the falsely advertised product was sold in interstate commerce I think what Bioware did qualifies as a violation of the Lanham Act.

 

Ok, here we go. FIRST - As the poster said, you would need to establish that the ADVERTISER ( In some cases, not Bioware) made false statements of facts about it's product. 

 

Here's the issue... and again, I practice law and can tell you this would be a no win senario. Mostly due to the "high resolution" texture argument. It's too vague. You were never promised a certain level of resolution. Also, the EULA exist to counteract these types of issues and trust me.. they're a one-sided contract, often referred to as a "shrink wrap contract". There is very little case law in the U.S that would lead to you winning these types of cases. 

 

Trust me folks, walk into a law office with this mess and get laughed out. 

Lidane

Originally posted by BadSpock

This is what it sounds like to me:

Bioware creates game with high res textures. There are some issues. Only people with uber rigs can run the game maxed out in beta - people complain.

Bioware decides it'd be better to lower the graphics a bit in the open world so that 99% of people can have a better play experience, and still the uber graphics in conversations where the "zoomed in" camera has a big effect.

Due to time constraints, getting the uber high res textures and such back into the game for the 1% with uber rigs is pushed to a "post launch" consideration.

We are now post launch, things are being done to put them back in for peope who can run them.

 

This is a problem why?

Because people need something to whine about.

And now we're starting to get all the armchair lawyers pulling out legal statutes and laws as if they have more of a clue than the corpoprate sharks that EA has on retainer. ROFL. 

 

spaceport

Anyone has the quote of Bioware saying that they DISABLED the high rez textures for the beta because there was a BUG?

 

Another LIE by DLCWARE, and of course, the Biodrones will defend it, no matter what.

Teala

Lot of displeased players over on the main forum.   This will not go away lightly and be so easily swept under the rug.  Also, Biowares explaination is BS at best.   "Oh it was a UI glitch"...LMAO!

WhiteLantern

Originally posted by Professor78

Game should be offered as free to play until ready then, just like what FFXIV did.

Not sure if trolling, or just........

 

FFXIV shipped missing content. Like, all of it. TOR is missing high-rez textures.

FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Adhesive33

I don't think it will really go over that poorly with the player-base. I've heard a lot of complaints about TOR, and I agree with most of them, but very few people are choosing to play or not play the game based on the textures, which we knew all along were crap. I mean, the art-design in this game is so "cartoony" and simplistic that it took this long for people to even notice the difference in fidelity between cutscenes and actual gameplay, so I'm not sure it's going to be that big of a facter in the long run.

The texture issue really isn't a big deal to me.  I'm more concerned with the long load times and that second executable that seems to be using the network.  Performance and a hidden DRM system are bigger issues to me.