SWTOR, by a long shot. Rift is and was the most boring MMO I ve played in years. Rifts become annoying, world events are literally the same thing everytime, and the game just felt so small. To each their own, but to me Rift is a step backwards.
i choose rift anyday..but if your happy with 10 billion load screens an hour then you stick with swtor ..but just out of curiosity..lets see in a few months time wether or not you think swtor is the most boring mmo you ever played.you will be suprised how quickly you can tire of the same old stuff.
Like doing Rifts you mean? Or going to a quest hub in a zone with an invasion to find it swarming with elites and the you're the only one in the zone... that gets old quick too. Things will get old prettry quick in both games.
oohh let me think..at least rift tried to do something different..only thing different in swtor is your paying to watch a film..and thats it..how many times do you watch the same film..me i may watch a film once or twice at most..then i never touch it again..i,m not knocking your game m8..but for me i dont want some cut scene for 5 mins to be told to go kill xx number of mobs..sorry not for me..by the time you have watched that i could have done 2-3 quests in rift which is good enough for me.
If it's a good movie, a dozen times.. not back to back, obviously.. but I will watch it everytime I see it's on tv. I've also read the same book, or series of books, multiple times also. I get repeat enjoyment out of things.
Rift is pretty much dead, 1 starting zone for each side really kills any replayabilty. The rifts become fairly old quickly as one learns that weither you do them or flat out ignore them like most seem to do these days it has no effect on the game whatsoever. As almost everyone is lvl 50 these days new comers really have no choice but to power level through the content to get to 50 unless, another newbie has joined with you. Rift if the least community oriented game I've ever player no one talks or origanising anything as there is no need . Players doing thier own thing will converge/zerg on whatever rift/raid is happened and finished it and depart without ever saying a word most of the time.
besides Rifts killed off most of its dragons by now. Soon there will only be the death dragon left. Rifts really painted themselves into a coner on that one. Haven't played WoW in along time but basically wow still does everything better then rift and at least we don't have to look at those egomanical postings of rifts COE every other month .
Unfortunately I'm still subscribed to rift. (didn't cancil my 6 month sub fast enough) But even though I'm paid though the next 3 months i have no intention or ever going back
If you removed story from the equation, I'm not sure I'd play either game. I think SWToR would edge out Rift though. When you add the story you can get out of SWToR, then it's the winner (imo).
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First Trion as a company has earned a lot of my respect. The way they are listening and communicating with their customers is something alot of companies can learn from, not only MMO companies. Even today I was reading a thread on these forums giving Trion CS some thumbs up.
Second, when released Rift was already an extremely polished product, it had very little bugs. Swtor felt more buggy to me. I played Rift since the first (semi)-closed beta, and the game was simply ready for release at that time.
Third, I enjoyed Rift longer than I did Swtor. Even though it took only a few days in Rift to get to 50 (endgame), I played it for more than a month. If I include the beta I leveled 3 characters to 50 or almost 50 (beta went to 42 I think). Swtors leveling took longer, basically because of the cutscenes, about two weeks to get to 50 including a few days off during Xmas. But after getting to 50 and maxing my crafting I just got bored. I haven't played Swtor for almost a week now, so my free month did hardly last two weeks.
Both games unfortunatley suffer from the same themepark endgame. While the game lasted I enjoyed both.
Swtor gets an extra point for the overall story, not because it was Star Wars (I don't give a donkey's behind about the movies).
Even on the Rift board you can't get 50% for Rift, that is sad and shows how weak the game is. SWTOR is just as weak though, that is why i voted neither.
Even on the Rift board you can't get 50% for Rift, that is sad and shows how weak the game is. SWTOR is just as weak though, that is why i voted neither.
The poll is aimed at people who already quit Rift for TOR. It belongs on a TOR board honestly. It would be silly for me with a active Rift sub to say I am going back to Rift.
So what exactly makes some of these people believe we want them back? These people expected Rift to just pause while they played TOR and it cost us more then a few servers and guilds fell apart.
Last thing we need is you guys doing is coming back praising Rift for features it had when it was sure as hell evident what TOR was missing in comparrison. I honestly hope to god most of you who left end up back in WoW and are forced to suffer with 6 month content releases and cash shops. We are not stupid here. If you jumped ship for TOR, then we all know you are going to leave when GW2 comes out so why even bother?
This game needs loyal players not band wagon game hoppers.
You might not want them back, but I doubt Trion would turn their subs money away.
Every game needs loyal players, but suggesting that Rift is too good for bandwagon game hoppers is just bizarre. Where did they get their initial subs rush from? The bandwagon zerg. It's acrually a good thing for a company like Trion if people will go back to their game as first choice when they are unhappy with another game they've tried.
I get that you're upset that players left, but your logic leaves a lot to be deisred. Trion would have more sense than to treat returning players like demon exes that stole all their friends and turned their kids against them after the divorce.
And I'm not a fan of the game, but I wouldn't begrudge Trion a resurgence in the least. I recognize what they've tried to do as a company, and I applaud them for it.
SWTOR, by a long shot. Rift is and was the most boring MMO I ve played in years. Rifts become annoying, world events are literally the same thing everytime, and the game just felt so small. To each their own, but to me Rift is a step backwards.
i choose rift anyday..but if your happy with 10 billion load screens an hour then you stick with swtor ..but just out of curiosity..lets see in a few months time wether or not you think swtor is the most boring mmo you ever played.you will be suprised how quickly you can tire of the same old stuff.
Like doing Rifts you mean? Or going to a quest hub in a zone with an invasion to find it swarming with elites and the you're the only one in the zone... that gets old quick too. Things will get old prettry quick in both games.
The invasions are based on zone population, more players = harder invasion, if no1 is in zone, they will hardly every spawn....
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kind of weird everybody love rift ok?but if you go on their game server are vey low pop,might be artificially bumped here i gess
Rift's low population is pretty well known, and yet its still a better game than SWTOR.
Rifts population isn't even that low. People keep saying that but at night every night I have played wolfsbane has had a 2 hour queue with 400 people waiting each time. The past 3 days at least. Plus there are 4 other high pop servers at peak hours. all the rest are a majority medium. So how is that a low population? Sure it's low compared to WoW, or even TOR, but last time I played TOR at peak hours there was only a few heavy servers and maybe 1 or 2 full.
Rifts population isn't even that low. People keep saying that but at night every night I have played wolfsbane has had a 2 hour queue with 400 people waiting each time. The past 3 days at least. Plus there are 4 other high pop servers at peak hours. all the rest are a majority medium. So how is that a low population? Sure it's low compared to WoW, or even TOR, but last time I played TOR at peak hours there was only a few heavy servers and maybe 1 or 2 full.
That's no comparison, did you ever count how many servers they have for Swtor? I think it's close to 200 for both Europe and the US.
Also we don't know how many players Trion or Bioware can handle on their servers. Trions architecture is very different from Swtors.
Honestly, having played both I'd have to say that you simply cannot compare the two. TOR isn't a 'real' MMO. And I'm not saying that to Troll people or bait any flame responses, I'm being genuine. I do not think it's an MMO in the same was Rift and WoW are. It's so narrow in scope with regards to exploration and interaction that the nearest relative I can think to TOR would have to be Guild Wars. A lobby based co-operative PVE game.
besides Rifts killed off most of its dragons by now. Soon there will only be the death dragon left. Rifts really painted themselves into a coner on that one.
Unfortunately I'm still subscribed to rift. (didn't cancil my 6 month sub fast enough) But even though I'm paid though the next 3 months i have no intention or ever going back
a troll is a troll. all the dragons are dead? we've seen two buddy. please don't make crap up to feel cool. at the one year mark we're gonna see the 3rd dragon. that's two years to hit all of the dragons if they keep up this pace of content patches. this is also how content works.. look at WoW's patches. each expansion is a story in its own. i was new once too, it's ok.
i feel Rift is a much better game, even when comparing first month vs first month, but i'd have to say that if you're a huge fan of alts and leveling, then swtor is for you. if you're a fan of content at level cap then i'd hit up rift. if you're just lookin for what game is better in general then Rift is the clear winner imo.
Their both generic, themepark, boring quest grind games with no creativity or independent thought.
stop giving these clowns money so the wow clones stop already...
I'll put money right this second that GW2 beyond a shadow of a doubt copies atleast 3 if not more of the mechanics from the way Rift did their dyanamic content.
- Public grouping
- Reward system
- Monster difficulty stacking with the amount of people in the area
Just remember this is all stuff GW2 promised, but has yet to ever show in a single video. You can say they did not invent, but 11 month later and my screen is still full of people doing zone events.
People are going to learn one way or the other that Rift did bring some new stuff to the genre and you sure as hell better believe we will be there to remind the Archage, Secret World, and GW2 fans where some of their ideas came from.
I've played both. Honestly as a huge Star Wars fan I had not followed SWTOR as closely as some but was still pretty dissapointed when I finally played it in beta. I played it again at launch and it's just so boring and unoriginal sad to say. Not that Rift is comepletely innovative and new either but they are constantly changing and adding content and I have casually played since beta and not gotten tired of it yet. I would try both if you can but in the end I feel Rift has more content and better quality to offer. My opinion.
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If someone said I had to subscribe to one of these two games I would pick Rift.
As I said.. that is IF I HAD to subscribe to one of those two.
The reason why it would be Rift?
To me the greatest thing about Rift was the soul system. Lots of options for how I build my character.
Now TOR can't exactly how a soul system and I don't even care about dual spec. What does bother me is my merc can use... pistols. What if I think rifles look cool? Oh I have to be a commando instead? but then I can't use pistols... a little variety would be kind of nice.
Personally I don't really see me wanting to sub to either game at least currently.. but ya if I had to pick one atm it would be Rift.
I guess its kind of dumb to want to use more than one weapon type or at least could seem like a minor thing. I just find it a very odd design choice... even in DAoC I had some weapon choices (stabbity stab... slash or crush n mush). Until reavers where I could use whips and chains finally!! lol sorry.. anyway...
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Rift just stunk of blandness. The people who are seemingly going towards Rift (and this is a generalization) seem to argue that ToR sucks because it has too much story and not enough things to do.
I believe Bioware felt that their 'hardcores' would level one of each to max level giving them plenty of time to work on content for patches.
I don't think I'll be going back to Rift gear has already esalated in the game to out of control levels. The planar attunement system of gaining extra stats for post level cap xp is also massively imbalancing the game. I don't honestly think it is fun grinding PvP so you level up faster and then raiding for endless months only to be the bottom of the meters by milestones every time.
Yes, I actually like games with *gasp* stories.
You've obviously not spent much time playing end-game Rift. The pvp gear is now seperated by Rank so people will only at most have gear two ranks higher than your own so pvp isn't over powered gear wise. And planar attunement? Seriously? Each level you don't even get a new stat, you get points to save up to get a new stat, and at most it is +1 for each time you save enough to buy a new level. So if you're saying that +3 wisdom or +5 spell power are making the game outbalanced, you clearly don't understand the way numbers work. They've done a pretty good job keeping gear and levels balanced. Is there some class imbalance? Yes, but they are constantly working on that as well and show me a game that has no class imbalance. Please at least be knowledgeable about what you're speaking to before you spread lies and misinformation about a game. Thank you.
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i feel Rift is a much better game, even when comparing first month vs first month, but i'd have to say that if you're a huge fan of alts and leveling, then swtor is for you. if you're a fan of content at level cap then i'd hit up rift. if you're just lookin for what game is better in general then Rift is the clear winner imo.
This about sums it up, except that SWTOR class's pretty much play the same, leveling is extremely linear, and the only difference between classes of the same side are the class quests.
That really means you only get about 20% unique content, if that, per character.
whats with peeps saying " long term rift is blablah but swtor is so much better " how can you compare 4-6 months of rift vs 1 month of swtor ? wait till you played both of same ammount of time
most new games are fun, most 2+ months old games you played are worthless not wortth 20s startup time to launch them
i actually went and got myself rift when swtor early access ended.. got to 34+ lvl and was " well this is getting boring by now " and i knew there was nothing at endgame , and was blown away by all rift offered at end game , but if you expect either game to hold you for 6+ months loging every day for 2-5 hours you are out of your mind , there is no such game created yet, and doubt there ever will, everything gets oldand boring
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Dare i say replayability?
Rift is pretty much dead, 1 starting zone for each side really kills any replayabilty. The rifts become fairly old quickly as one learns that weither you do them or flat out ignore them like most seem to do these days it has no effect on the game whatsoever. As almost everyone is lvl 50 these days new comers really have no choice but to power level through the content to get to 50 unless, another newbie has joined with you. Rift if the least community oriented game I've ever player no one talks or origanising anything as there is no need . Players doing thier own thing will converge/zerg on whatever rift/raid is happened and finished it and depart without ever saying a word most of the time.
besides Rifts killed off most of its dragons by now. Soon there will only be the death dragon left. Rifts really painted themselves into a coner on that one. Haven't played WoW in along time but basically wow still does everything better then rift and at least we don't have to look at those egomanical postings of rifts COE every other month .
Unfortunately I'm still subscribed to rift. (didn't cancil my 6 month sub fast enough) But even though I'm paid though the next 3 months i have no intention or ever going back
If you removed story from the equation, I'm not sure I'd play either game. I think SWToR would edge out Rift though. When you add the story you can get out of SWToR, then it's the winner (imo).
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I voted Rift, for a couple of reasons.
First Trion as a company has earned a lot of my respect. The way they are listening and communicating with their customers is something alot of companies can learn from, not only MMO companies. Even today I was reading a thread on these forums giving Trion CS some thumbs up.
Second, when released Rift was already an extremely polished product, it had very little bugs. Swtor felt more buggy to me. I played Rift since the first (semi)-closed beta, and the game was simply ready for release at that time.
Third, I enjoyed Rift longer than I did Swtor. Even though it took only a few days in Rift to get to 50 (endgame), I played it for more than a month. If I include the beta I leveled 3 characters to 50 or almost 50 (beta went to 42 I think). Swtors leveling took longer, basically because of the cutscenes, about two weeks to get to 50 including a few days off during Xmas. But after getting to 50 and maxing my crafting I just got bored. I haven't played Swtor for almost a week now, so my free month did hardly last two weeks.
Both games unfortunatley suffer from the same themepark endgame. While the game lasted I enjoyed both.
Swtor gets an extra point for the overall story, not because it was Star Wars (I don't give a donkey's behind about the movies).
Even on the Rift board you can't get 50% for Rift, that is sad and shows how weak the game is. SWTOR is just as weak though, that is why i voted neither.
The poll is aimed at people who already quit Rift for TOR. It belongs on a TOR board honestly. It would be silly for me with a active Rift sub to say I am going back to Rift.
You might not want them back, but I doubt Trion would turn their subs money away.
Every game needs loyal players, but suggesting that Rift is too good for bandwagon game hoppers is just bizarre. Where did they get their initial subs rush from? The bandwagon zerg. It's acrually a good thing for a company like Trion if people will go back to their game as first choice when they are unhappy with another game they've tried.
I get that you're upset that players left, but your logic leaves a lot to be deisred. Trion would have more sense than to treat returning players like demon exes that stole all their friends and turned their kids against them after the divorce.
And I'm not a fan of the game, but I wouldn't begrudge Trion a resurgence in the least. I recognize what they've tried to do as a company, and I applaud them for it.
The invasions are based on zone population, more players = harder invasion, if no1 is in zone, they will hardly every spawn....
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kind of weird everybody love rift ok?but if you go on their game server are vey low pop,might be artificially bumped here i gess
Rift's low population is pretty well known, and yet its still a better game than SWTOR.
Not everyone agrees with that assessment. I hated Rift and I'm enjoying SWTOR. To each their own I suppose.
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Rifts population isn't even that low. People keep saying that but at night every night I have played wolfsbane has had a 2 hour queue with 400 people waiting each time. The past 3 days at least. Plus there are 4 other high pop servers at peak hours. all the rest are a majority medium. So how is that a low population? Sure it's low compared to WoW, or even TOR, but last time I played TOR at peak hours there was only a few heavy servers and maybe 1 or 2 full.
That's no comparison, did you ever count how many servers they have for Swtor? I think it's close to 200 for both Europe and the US.
Also we don't know how many players Trion or Bioware can handle on their servers. Trions architecture is very different from Swtors.
Honestly, having played both I'd have to say that you simply cannot compare the two. TOR isn't a 'real' MMO. And I'm not saying that to Troll people or bait any flame responses, I'm being genuine. I do not think it's an MMO in the same was Rift and WoW are. It's so narrow in scope with regards to exploration and interaction that the nearest relative I can think to TOR would have to be Guild Wars. A lobby based co-operative PVE game.
Their both generic, themepark, boring quest grind games with no creativity or independent thought.
stop giving these clowns money so the wow clones stop already...
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The way mmo's are now : Cut-Scenes,Cut-Scenes, solo Questing, Cut-Scenes...
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a troll is a troll. all the dragons are dead? we've seen two buddy. please don't make crap up to feel cool. at the one year mark we're gonna see the 3rd dragon. that's two years to hit all of the dragons if they keep up this pace of content patches. this is also how content works.. look at WoW's patches. each expansion is a story in its own. i was new once too, it's ok.
i feel Rift is a much better game, even when comparing first month vs first month, but i'd have to say that if you're a huge fan of alts and leveling, then swtor is for you. if you're a fan of content at level cap then i'd hit up rift. if you're just lookin for what game is better in general then Rift is the clear winner imo.
I'll put money right this second that GW2 beyond a shadow of a doubt copies atleast 3 if not more of the mechanics from the way Rift did their dyanamic content.
- Public grouping
- Reward system
- Monster difficulty stacking with the amount of people in the area
Just remember this is all stuff GW2 promised, but has yet to ever show in a single video. You can say they did not invent, but 11 month later and my screen is still full of people doing zone events.
People are going to learn one way or the other that Rift did bring some new stuff to the genre and you sure as hell better believe we will be there to remind the Archage, Secret World, and GW2 fans where some of their ideas came from.
Better of playing Rift. I bet most people will head their way back to Rift once EA starts charging sub fees for a subpar game.
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I've played both. Honestly as a huge Star Wars fan I had not followed SWTOR as closely as some but was still pretty dissapointed when I finally played it in beta. I played it again at launch and it's just so boring and unoriginal sad to say. Not that Rift is comepletely innovative and new either but they are constantly changing and adding content and I have casually played since beta and not gotten tired of it yet. I would try both if you can but in the end I feel Rift has more content and better quality to offer. My opinion.
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Well I'll put it this way...
If someone said I had to subscribe to one of these two games I would pick Rift.
As I said.. that is IF I HAD to subscribe to one of those two.
The reason why it would be Rift?
To me the greatest thing about Rift was the soul system. Lots of options for how I build my character.
Now TOR can't exactly how a soul system and I don't even care about dual spec. What does bother me is my merc can use... pistols. What if I think rifles look cool? Oh I have to be a commando instead? but then I can't use pistols... a little variety would be kind of nice.
Personally I don't really see me wanting to sub to either game at least currently.. but ya if I had to pick one atm it would be Rift.
I guess its kind of dumb to want to use more than one weapon type or at least could seem like a minor thing. I just find it a very odd design choice... even in DAoC I had some weapon choices (stabbity stab... slash or crush n mush). Until reavers where I could use whips and chains finally!! lol sorry.. anyway...
Neither, not worth my dime or time.
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You've obviously not spent much time playing end-game Rift. The pvp gear is now seperated by Rank so people will only at most have gear two ranks higher than your own so pvp isn't over powered gear wise. And planar attunement? Seriously? Each level you don't even get a new stat, you get points to save up to get a new stat, and at most it is +1 for each time you save enough to buy a new level. So if you're saying that +3 wisdom or +5 spell power are making the game outbalanced, you clearly don't understand the way numbers work. They've done a pretty good job keeping gear and levels balanced. Is there some class imbalance? Yes, but they are constantly working on that as well and show me a game that has no class imbalance. Please at least be knowledgeable about what you're speaking to before you spread lies and misinformation about a game. Thank you.
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This about sums it up, except that SWTOR class's pretty much play the same, leveling is extremely linear, and the only difference between classes of the same side are the class quests.
That really means you only get about 20% unique content, if that, per character.
whats with peeps saying " long term rift is blablah but swtor is so much better " how can you compare 4-6 months of rift vs 1 month of swtor ? wait till you played both of same ammount of time
most new games are fun, most 2+ months old games you played are worthless not wortth 20s startup time to launch them
i actually went and got myself rift when swtor early access ended.. got to 34+ lvl and was " well this is getting boring by now " and i knew there was nothing at endgame , and was blown away by all rift offered at end game , but if you expect either game to hold you for 6+ months loging every day for 2-5 hours you are out of your mind , there is no such game created yet, and doubt there ever will, everything gets oldand boring