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Actualy you think Pre SWG was better? haha okkk. I was there on beta and launch day of SWG, granted the crafting was awesome so was the leveling, the sandbox worlds were cool, but ALL of them were extremely empty period. Most of the time you spent Hours walking or traveling to a location, that was fun now was it?
To me alot of SWG was more bland then swtor, and people compairing a almost 1 month old game to a game thats been out for seven years needs a wake up call.
Exactly!
But on other hand, its nice to have a place to stove all those players that dont ask for more in a game.
They changed it because the vocal minority on the forums cried so hard because it was to hard to become a Jedi. That is fact my friend. SWG was the first MMO with dedicated forums, and it was the first time that the people that actually played the game and paid no attention to the forums got burned in a big way.
SOE caved to the whiners...much like all games do now. Anyway, there you go, had the majority stopped playing the game and went to counter the whining self entitled children that could not keep up with the learning curve that was associated with Pre-NGE SWG then I am betting that game will still be possting considerabel numbers.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Just because one style of game is successful, doesn't mean another style can't also be successful. When sandbox games consistenly show smaller markets than themeparks, companies are not likely to drop Bioware's budget into a game like that, sure. This does not mean that they will no longer exist, just that the market is smaller.
TOR has very large mass market appeal. It's the perfect game for a casual gamer and has a huge IP. This is just the way it is. A game like Eve has much less mass market appeal, but it still continues to exist and is obviously a successful game.
Don't worry. Everything is going to be ok. TOR is not goingto kill innovation or other games simply by being successful. If that were true, how does a game like Eve exist in the same world that we have WoW? Because WoW's target audience and Eve's target audience are not necessarily the same. They aren't really even competitors at this point.
The claim that ToR is going to kill the genre, and put a stop to innovation hasalready been proven false. Games still innovate even though wow has 10 million players. Sandbox games come out frequently, most of them are poorly implemented and flounder.
This is the most important thing: EVEN IF TOR fails and gets shy down or is down to 100k subs, it wouldn't mean that suddenly the type of game you want will suddenly have the mass market appeal to be hugely successful.
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Then you feel it must be your duty to warn us dullards that bought the game then? I myself am having fun in the game as well as the large majority within the game that I have seen. The game has been highly praised and has had very few negative reviews yet the very niche on the forums, and yes you are the niche even in a niche genre feels compelled to tell me what I should like.
In Bioware we trust!
Personally I think SW:TOR will be lucky to have 300k subs in a year's time. But oh no.. The devs are smarter than us scrubs. They simply KNOW that the way to make a succesful SW mmo is to copy WoW.... Jeez, some people you just can't reach.
Same post I made month ago.
I was under impression (based on fanboy posts) that game might be themepark , but at least it was polished to heaven (150-300 million dollar budget , for crying out loud)
Than i played open beta
I wanted to scream!
What is wrong with you people. Dont you see how bad the game is. I mean technically !!
I made post - how game does not have High Res Textures.
And people raged. Untill suddenly week ago, Bioware admitted that they can not add high res textures due technicall limitations.
I mean look at Rift.
Small company. Game is so , so.
But technically its 10 years ahead of SWTOR.
It looks like wonder compared to it. And everything , up to support and server performance is superrior.
Makes you think, how ROSE are these pink glasses people are wearing.
And just more the fail for SWTOR when people remove them.
I guess you have developed a game that has sold about 2 millions copies huh?
In Bioware we trust!
the voice acting and the story is also bad (rotten cherry maybe) but i agree on the rest. mmo players are too easy to impress.
eating shit since 1999. the gaming world is suffering from you.
all of them mmos are bad and you can take that as a fact. It's a shame that WoW is still the best although it is a shit game.
Well fair enough i guess if you like it you like it lol....
Its a good question why did SOE/LA decide to compete with WoW.... the reason i guess is money, WoW was getting a big slice of pie even back then when it was first out and yeah it did impact on the SWG player base but they thought it would be a good idea to make the game more like WOW and thats why it failed.
Check out SWGEmu thats based on Pre NGE/CU and it has quite a few people playing every day, but i know if SOE had managed to keep hold of the SW lic and reverted their servers back to what it should have been they would still have had a shit ton of subs even now after SW:TOR.. guess we cant chagne the past tho things that SOE/LA did destroyed what they had made..
SW:TOR is just a basic themepark game and in my opinion a waste of the Star Wars IP.
As much as I like Bioware, this is the unfortunate truth. They'd never get away with the state of the game right now if it weren't for the timing and the Star Wars label. It feels like a co-op RPG rather then an MMORPG, and offers nothing truly new besides Mass Effect-esque dialogue and cutscenes. (Which is arguable not new) It's enjoyable for what it is though, even if it falls flat in so many aspects. I think they can still really do well if they add significant gameplay improvements like mutiplayer space combat and true open galaxy exploration, but I only see that way ahead down the line. It's still a bit too early to judge how Bioware will go with the game though.
Ever stop to think that maybe they ENJOY the game? Your opinion and point of veiw are just that, yours. Don't presume to speak for the gaming majority. You certainly do not speak for me.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
*shrugs*
I wouldnt oppose a stronger story focus in MMOs.
If you are still playing SWTOR after 7 years send me a PM and I'll give you my phone number for that wake up call.
Exactly, i think GW2 is crap and i really don't even need to play it to make that opinion.
*rolls eyes*
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
The game's a blatant WoW clone, with a few extra bells and whistles. I've been testing online games for 12 years now. And through that, this is the first AAA MMO that I tested in which I saw next to no changes to core mechanics, gameplay, or taking tester feedback into perspective for game changes.
It's as different from WoW, as RIFT was; just in other ways.
I truthfully feel like game review sites had the polish job done to them by EA's PR department, or that they're scared of giving Bioware a bad review.
The game needs to fail, so that gamers can be assured that 5 years from now, we're not still using a damned business model from a product released in 2004, like SWTOR is doing.
So disappointed. Don't believe me? Here's a few seconds worth of great proof.
http://imgur.com/Yc6so
Well, more power to you, mate! Different strokes for different folks and all that. Every, and I mean EVERY, game will find someone to love it. It's like a law of nature or something...
However, it's not going to be the "second coming" and "the game for EVERYBODY" like the fanbois and BW/EA counted on. It is already being called a "niche game" by some reviewers. And you know what? "Niche" is not a dirty word, you know. It actually means that we can be different instead of all liking and playing the same thing.
The real problem is that in their arrogance BW and EA burned huge amounts of money on it, counting that they'll be able to dictate to everyone what kind of a game they should like and play. Well, no go amigo. If they made a 20 mil game with at tagline "this is going to be a cool star wars story-based coop game with some nifty mmo features like pvp and stuff" I'd say, great! Heck, I'd probably buy it myself.
So, I'm proud to be "niche" and maybe you should learn that too.
This is a very illogical statment, if SWG had been as good as some of the dreamers here state it was, it would not have been bleeding subs in the first place, they changed the game to try to get some of the successful WOW market and failed, since the angered their current playerbase and failed to garner any playerbase from WOW.
In Bioware we trust!
What does this have to do with anything? You're weird.
I didn't get that anywhere from your post. Sorry but that is not the message you try to give. Stop contradicting yourself.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
There we are in disagreement.
I feel strangely uplifted by the predicament of those who blew £179 on a tiny plastic doll and some virtual toys, believing that they were on to a surefire investment in the greatest game the world had ever seen or ever would know, and ridiculed the rest of us who suggested they might be a little reckless.
I know you already know this...but what separates "haters" from "critics" is the reasoning they give after they make such claims.
The only arrogance I see here is your assement of claiming EA tried to dictate. Did they force people to buy the game at gunpoint without doing some basic research on what the game would be or something? They delivered on their promises, the only thing they heavily touted was story, and IMHO the story is enjoyable.
In Bioware we trust!
There is no amount of reasoning you can give that would make you look less silly, because everything you say will be based on personal bias and hell lot of assumptions and crystal ball doom and gloom. Go ahead give it a shot. I will be waiting.
You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi
@ Nazgol,
Pre-NGE SWG was not bleeding subs at all. The NGE happened because the vocal minority (read; Forum whiners) were busy whining and crying about the game, while the majority were busy playing said game.
Was SWG perfect? lol no, not even close, it had bugs and yes you had to spend quite a bit of time running to dungeons etc etc. the community and the fact that there were no games around that could compare to it kept people playing.
I do not think SWG would ever have posted the numbers WoW has, but I think had they fixed bugs, and kept adding content (there were huge amounts of content already) they would still have a decent player base. But the NGE killed that, and as we sw, last month it died for good. As far as I know.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.