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I think this has more to do with your disappointment than the game itself.
I recommend not following the development of games in the future and I bet you'll be happier with your next mmo.
You spent 5 months imagining how perfectly each of this games features would be implemented, you read the press releases and the forums and 'created' a game in your head based on hype. Now you are realizing the game you imagined isn't the game of reality, and thus are sorely dissappointed.
I find that when I don't rabidly follow the development of a game, I tend to like the game much more, because I enter without pre-conceived notions.
Trust me, don't put all your eggs in one basket before you even know what the chicken looks like.
I don't think the game should fail, if both it and GW2 fails few publishers in the future would dare to invest in a MMO.
I prefer if the game do so-so with 300-500K players while either TSW or GW2 do a lot better.
Because many publishers might not realize that the Wow model is more or less done, they would instead assume that the entire genre is done. They see how much players Wow bleed right now and that together with alll new games failing might make them decide to clone Diablo and cancel MMOs alltogether.
The opposite is very common as well. People don't read much about the game but assume it will be exactly what they are looking for.
I am far from new to the MMO life, and I have tried all the big ones and enjoyed them till the time came to move on. I was not excited or even planning on playing SWTOR. My husband however was so after him asking and asking, I agreed to try it.
I love some of the mechanics, choosing dark and light, choosing how you want to answer things and then seeing them come to life so to speak, GREAT
Epic Fails in SWTOR
CS tickets are auto answered and closed, even if the answer has nothing to do with what the ticket was about.
Closing tickets before being even solved
If you live in Eu or outside USA, make an international call to USA and stay on hold (hours they are reporting), no thanks.
EA/BW
They say they want to be a golabal company but they act only regional
Despite there being precedence set where MMO can have different down times for Different main regions (NA/EU) they insist NA night (12pm pst) is the best time for everyone, case closed
Much like the CS the powers that be at BE/EA seem to dismiss problems or just ignore them.
Over 2000 post on down-times for EU and not one response to even acknowledge it
Very Disappointed and Unsubbed
Maybe I will check back in 6 months if I am not lost in another game by then
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funny story but SO true
I think back to the mess of half finished MMO's released in 2010 and 2011 and The Old Republic feels like a breath of fresh air. Honestly other than Rift and TOR what new MMO in the last two years has been released with even the most basic level of being able to play it? Some have grown into playable games over time but the norm has been to release a buggy, half finished game and call it good.
So at least if nothing else TOR (and RIFT) should show that at a minimum one needs to release a game that functions to be successful.
Beyond that I don't consider TOR nearly as bad as many of the MMORPG people on these boards do. Way to many on this board are wearing 3" rose colored glasses wishing for the "good old days" of MMO's or have developed a deep rooted hate for anything that isn't there idea of the perfect game to the point of wishing it ill will. It would be funny if it wasn't a bit scary how deranged some folks on these boards are.
Wow... the whining just never ends around here.
We get it that many of you don't like SWTOR's formula. That is not a surprise considering this site is full of sandbox fans. That does not mean that most people agree with you. The truth is, most people seem to enjoy this game a great deal. So please stop preaching as though you are some sort of expert on the subject. If big developers listened to the people on this forum, every one of their games would fail on a massive scale. Many people here are just out of touch with the mainstream gamer...
Why would you want this game to fail? Bioware is only doing what they do best in video games. They are providing a rich story-driven RPG narrative to an MMORPG framework. This is exactly what you should have expected from day one. Enjoy it if its your thing or please... for the love of God, move on with your life.
Apples to oranges in your comparison IMO. Why not compare the $60 you dropped on SWTOR to the $60 legions of Skyrim fans paid and see who is still playing their games 2 months down the road. thats the comparison you need to make.
LOL !!! GW2 will be just fine. and even tho I wont be playing it, I am sure Titan will do just fine. SWTOR is not an MMO an needs to FAIL. we dont need more sh*t like this on the market.
Sorry, but SWTOR is indeed an MMORPG. You may not like its formula, but it is an MMO.
I am seriously going to laugh so hard when GW2 releases and it is not the amazing perfect game all of you seem to think it will be.
If TOR "fails" it won't change anything. Dozens of MMOs have released over the past 7 or 8 years, some of which have been pretty innovative, and their "failures" have changed nothing either.
What is more likely to change things is if people stop going back to WoW when new games don't tick their boxes. When people go back to WoW they are telling the MMO business that WoW is the only way to go.
it's actually not a good post...consider this example...
how many tablets crashed and burned in the wake of the Ipad ??? Did that stop AMAZON from making the Kindle Fire.... Now tell me, how did the Kindle Fire do ? ... just fine in fact, just fine.
'nuff said.
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how many tablets crashed and burned in the wake of the Ipad ??? Did that stop AMAZON from making the Kindle Fire.... Now tell me, how did the Kindle Fire do ? ... just fine in fact, just fine.
'nuff said.
I do not care if gw2 fails or not I support it for what it stands for. If it succeeds it could potentially change the way other developers currently see mmos.
not true at all most people I talked to that don't like this game are huge wow and Rift fans.. and honestly how many times can you people say this is EXCATLY what should of been expecting and to expect more you will be dissapointed.. Yes we got a nice story driven single player rpg with very unfinished unpolished MMO elements.. so guess sure if you were expecting a decent single player game with tacked on MMO features you may love it... but for anyone who felt they should of raised the bar at all in the MMO elements is going to be very dissapointed.. The problem is the MMO aspect is what is going to keep people playing month after month.. when its not even close to up to par to todays games in that aspect why even bother once you get past the storys. And yes the game is new but again this game is competeing against MMO's of TODAY not MMOs of 2004. So people should not be expecting a MMO that feels like its from 2004, story or not as a MMO as a whole I'm horribly dissapointed
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
LOL. You did not just compare sexuality and MMORPGS? It's certainly not a woman's fault that you're gay, but it is bioware's fault for releasing a shell of a game and making us spend 60+ USD on it.
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Obviously, this is a SWTOR-bashing thread so I won't be staying here long, but saying a game needs to fail is just illogical.
I have no interest, for example, in EVE, but I wish neither for it to succeed nor for it to fail. If it succeeds, it's because a sufficient number of players like and enjoy it, and who am I to wish otherwise? More power to them. And if it fails, so be it.
It just strikes me as juvenile sour grapes to wish something to fail simply because it does not appeal to you personally -- but then, I suppose, that is the very essence of 90% of the anti-SWTOR comments I have read on these forums. (I'll grant that SWTOR has its issues, a number of which have been validly and reasonably pointed out by fans and critics alike.)
I cannot imagine enjoying a game like EVE, but I wish its developers and players well. In a few months, I suppose, the ragers will have moved on from SWTOR to their next target, but the absurdity of these kinds of comments (and threads) never ceases to amaze me.
I agree. It seems like many newer players feel this is "new, bigger and better" than the other mmorpgs. It's almost humourous how many people claim "SWTOR is *nothing* like WoW". Talk about naive ... I keep expecting LUA errors to popup during my WZ sessions, asking me to "Capture the Lumbermill!".
i like it, its a fun game, fairly light on content and in game systems but theres plenty of room for growth. a decent start id say. sadly mmo land just feels full of whiney brats these days who want it all right now! any mmorpg is what you as part of the community make it. the company cant do it all for you.
There is one thing that imho investors & developers don't realize yet.
Current themepark model (WoW / Rift /Swtor /etc) does NOT have 'power' anymore to hold people for long peroids of time.
Majority of players treat themeparks atm as games like single player games that have 'finish'. They get to max level , make some Dungeons / BG , some go into raiding and then many of them leave.
That's why so many themeparks have spikes in playerbase after big content patch / expansion is released. It is same as single player getting big DLC / expansion / clone-sequel (like CoD or Fifa).
This coupled with econimic problem in west world which always sooner or later hit 'entertaiment spending' (after all you cut entertaiment before food or house rent / mortage at least most do). Another thing is market oversaturation.
EA-BW wanted to 'tie' players to game more by tying players to their characters by focusing on story and more upcoming mmos try to do similarly though in lesser extent.
Thing is that does not work as well as developers think. Sure many people enjoy story ,but after story is finished players does not 'translate' this 'attachment into willingness to grind instances and that's what basically themeparks are about. After all themepark end-consist of spenind 80-90% of time in instances or idling in city / browsing AH.
That's one of reasons of freemium models. Game companies want to lower 'entry barrier' and that work to lesser or bigger extent, though it won't nearly be as effective in future as it was for last 2 years , simply cause freemium model will be common and game going freemium won't have 'bonus points' of being exceptional.
That's why DDO freemium was huge success, Lotro was quite succesful as well though less than DDO and now Lotro player base is slowly shrinking. AoC freemium success is quickly wearing out. Playerbase and profits skyrocketed for first months but atm many servers start to get empty again (especially new Blood&Honor pvp servers which are totally deserted).
Themepark model in order to have long staying players have to drastically change , though going into heavy story based will not provide that as story just finish quite quickly.
Best games that really are suited for LONG term player attachment and are fit for subscription p2p system are sandboxes - problem is sandboxes have smaller potential playerbase.
Still bottom point is 'classic' themepark mmorpg's still are attractive to quite big potential playerbase but :
a) they don't have power to keep player playing for long time anymore - thus reason for basically almost all of themepark losing playerbase drastically few months after launch (exception was I think Lotro only which had same or even rising playerbase for like 2 years after launch?)
b) imo potential size of playerbase for classic themepark mmorpg is shrinking in size , some people jsut got bored of it
c) oversaturation in mmorpg in general and especialy in themepark mmorpg's - just too much titles and not enough players. Notice there that total amount of players in mmorpg's is not increasing since WotlK peaked.
Mmorpg have to drastically change imo.
Either it will be done voluntarly by devs & investors or it will be forced on them cause of shrinking profits & revenue and some of them will just stop investing in market and those that will stay will have to start be more innvative and take more risks (will be easier as well cause budgets will stop rising or even will be smaller).
Second thing - think industry have to realize that return time of investment will have to get longer. So they will have to secure longer-term financing. Venture capital / short-term bank loans just won't be viable sources to fund it anymore in most cases.
I guess we shall see soon if SWTOR is successful for the long haul or not. I personally think it will be as I am enjoying it more than any other recently released MMO.
I don't think it is fair to compare any new game to MMOs that have been out for many years and have had loads of added development time. You have to give games a chance to grow into what they will become. SWTOR has launched with a more solid foundation that pretty much any other game I have played recently. Does it have everything I would want in an MMO? Of course not... It hasn't even been out for a month. But the game is already fun and polished, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt.
I think a lot of you have expectations at this point that are so utterly unrealistic that no new game will ever be able to meet them. I feel sorry for those of you who can no longer enjoy new games. It must really suck to see nothing but the negatives in everything. I predict there will be a lot of disappointed people around here when GW2 finally releases.... just like with every other game.
Actually I would say that it was the i-pad that helped push the tablet wave and the kindle fire is one that is riding that wave.
And of course it's a good point.
There's obviously an interest in mmo's but there is a huge discrepancy in money invested in mmo's and what is being made back. Having said that all of a sudden the f2p craze seems to be, on the surface, the savior of mmo's as far as reaping profits. Though I think that has its own issues.
I don't think mmo's are going to go by the wayside. There is interest and there is interest in themepark mmo's regardless of what people want to believe. But the money spent based on the return just doesn't seem to be a good investment.
As Yamota said, there are people who are supposed to be analyzing why these things go awry. Yet there are people who are doing just that and obviously there is a disgruntled fan base. How many remains to be seen.
I imagine that companies might reconsider how much they spend on these games, espeically larger companies as they just don't bring in the bucks when you look at the initial investment. Unless of course f2p really is the future of mmo's.
But if you think it's a good investment, how many mmo companies have you invested in? Me? none, It's not a good money maker.
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I am not so sure about that. The fact that every game besides Wow made very little money and that Wow now bleeds players itself might lead to publishing houses believing that the genre is over.
MMOs need a large game soon, it doesn't really matter if it is TOR, GW2, Class 4, Titan or something else but a game need to show publishers and investors that MMOs can still make money. Otherwise they will believe that the genre was just Wow and a few chinese F2P games. That would be the end of western MMOs.
Then you should stop playing, end of story. Everyone who doesn't like it or isn't interested in it should never have bought it, or shouldn't be playing currently, and the entire reason why games like this exist is because people keep buying and playing them.
The truth about this game, is that it really is as much of an MMO as just about every other game on the market, with minor features (missing) that do add up, but for the most part they are trivial. Its just incessant complaining for the sake of it, to be more like whatever other game that person decides to like at that moment. People cry for macros, and guild banks, and forums for every server, and day and night cycles.... features that really won't affect the way the game is played or how "MMO" it is. They complain about instancing when it doesn't hinder grouping as you can request groups across any instances. (and many worlds don't have instances at all in the higher levels).
Sure there is some validity out there, most importantly the lack of open world PvP, the lackluster hub, and the intermittent ability delay -- issues that should be remedied, but there are people out there whining over things that won't add anything to the game except for another bullet point on "How SWTOR is more like GameX".
Well, at least we got all the haters confined to one thread. Now if we can just find a way to move the entire thread to another site, life would be a lot more enjoyable for the COUNTLESS people who enjoy this game.