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by birthday is on my mastercard O_o.
this is the type i use its in the spaces so it gois 01/86 meaning im old
might be on your card not on mine and just bought stuff from Home Depot they only want name, billing address, expiration, and the pin on the back. did not ask my age. Amazon does not want your age either. I highly doubt EA is transmitting more info than Amazon does.
Same here. I've had credit cards since I was 18 and I've never once had anyone ask for my age when I use the card. They ask for the same things you mention -- the name on the card, the billing address, expiration, and PIN. That's it.
Yeah they don't ID you either when your out at a store irl.
My only concern with this is it doesn't seem like they are taking the time to look at ANYONES case before they are banned and even thou he might be able to submit a ticket some of these companys take 2days-2months to respond to a ticket or look at A case and if they took the time to give good customer service then they would have more people in the long run.
After the damage is done which they will not return.
And that L person if you hold onto values like that then you must have worked for some Freemium company like Aeria Games lol seriously, I think jokes can go to far, however going REMOVED(Sorry not a good term) on everyone will not help there sales.
Ok I need you guys' help with this one...what's the context of the meme? For instance:
Let's say he posted in the forums that he's having a problem logging into the game client, and a Mod is trying to help him...
CUSTOMER: My account is bugged or something
BIOWARE MOD: Clear your cache
CUSTOMER: cache?
BIOWARE MOD: Yes
CUSTOMER: I'm 12, what is this?
BIOWARE MOD: ...you're 12 years old?
CUSTOMER: nevermind, it's working--I was using the wrong password.
In that case I could see them "maybe" not figuring out he was joking.
If it's just some silly random post like:
PLAYER1: This game needs an LFG tool
PLAYER2: I need a LFMILF tool!
PLAYER1: I'm 12, what is this?
PLAYER2: Your mom knows
...that is clearly two people having fun.
So which is it?
Also, and I'll admit I never read ToS, but I doubt there's anything in there about BIOWARE using forum posts to determine player eligibility. Age is usually ascertained by account sign up/billing agreements, not random forum posts.
I'm leaning toward this being an elaborate hoax..with video lol--or BIOWARE made a flub that people will forget about in a few weeks.
Holy crap Weretigger all those unde 18's playing MMO's using their parents cards are screwed. My nephew has his name and info on his WoW account but uses his parents card....he is going to get kicked because the CC company will decline him...guess it will take them another 2 years to notice and decline.
I already adressed all of that by fully admitting that the company can perma ban anyone for any reason or no reason at all. I clearly stated that in my last post. Go check. I don't dispute that they can ban him without reason at any time. There is no disagreement on that part. Why won't you state that he did not violate the TOS if he is, in reality, older than 13? Tell me this, what rule specifically did he break, if he is older than 13 years old? Can you cite the sentence or paragraph or rule from the TOS that he would have violated? What part of the TOS exactly is he violating?
It was the second type clearly a joke
So rather than having any semblance of a legitamate discussion we're just going to throw around tired and oft used phrases that are generally meaningless and irritating at best.
Gotcha.
So banning one person is going Nazi....that is insulting to millions of Jews. Without knowing what else this guy has done before and during the event inquestion it is their call. If they want to who really cares. This is not some innocent in a drive by shooting.
Dude he's12y/o wake and smell the coffe sure he made a stupid mistake that some 12 y/o's are likely to do but get over it the rules are the rules and honestly i can't say I'm sad theres one less QQ 12 y/o playing.When he grows up maybe he'll learn something from this we can hope .
EA and Bioware aren't going anywhere for banning a 12 y/o per their rules. At lest most of the SW:tor haters can come up with something alittle less assine then this to complain about..
If he wasolder then 12 he could simply show proof to EA/bioware to get his account back. Notice he nowhere says he's made any attempt to? (because he can't)
You think its funny, but the whole account should be under the name of the person that is paying. Also if you look at your post this is what they are doing they made a game clearly for 8+ year olds from there graphics then turn around and ban them after they have made 59.99+ and 14.99 $$'s a person.
I will go with this one...
- Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of EA Services. Disruptive behavior includes but is not limited to conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within an EA Service. Disruptive behavior shall also include, but not be limited to, commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements.
Because if EA think he violated the TOS, then he violated the TOS. It's as simple as that.
My opinion doesn't matter here. Only EA's does. If this whole situation is legit, and they felt they had reason to ban someone, then that's their decision. I've just spent more time staring at the TOS than I have at any other TOS in ages. It looks exactly like the ones that players have been agreeing to since UO first launched. It's pretty much just standard legal language that tells you not to be an idiot and tells you that they can ban you for things you say and do in their game and on their boards, and for whatever reason they see fit.
I removed the word from both my first part and second part of this but they are clearly abusing there fanbase by banning everyone insight, and the fanboys are imbracing it so instead of being JUST LIKE WOW you guys are now becoming JUST LIKE FF14 and whenever somone debates what your are saying you try to pull the whole conversation out of context to discredit somone.
There is a lot of Anime with graphics like SWTOR that are not for kids. So if you judge the age of a cartoon by the graphics you would be saddly mistaken. But a nice strawman to point at the graphics. to take away from the fact that you really have nothing.
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Banning one guy for being a dumbass is nowhere near abusing the playerbase.
In fact, it would be an abuse of the playerbase if CSR spent any real length of time trying to verify the person's age and to reverse the ban instead of focusing on the paying customers they still have. I'd rather see Bioware focus on billing and account issues for people with legitimate gripes instead of some moron that EA decided broke the rules.
Which is the same reson they dont show that anime in the US, and also the same reason why they tried to ban the perverted anime in japan, Also this is a US game so idk wtf anime has to do with anything
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You are coming to the defense of the bottom of the forum community, the troll, and acting like you are fighting some great injustice. He trolled and the got the troll hammer. Pretty much as simple as that. This is not some guy that was doing nothing and got banned. He was jerking the system and the system jerked him back. The company is not here to protect your rights, they are only interested in protecting their own and turning a profit. They would ban all of us if it would turn a profit and they should they are a business. Might is be knee jerk...maybe, but they have every right to do it.
That really wouldn't make much difference any 12 year old could use Mommy or Daddy's credit card, as well as fill their info in the blanks.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You judged the game's age appropriatness on the graphics.
I understand that they can ban him if they think he has violated the TOS even if he hasn't violated the TOS.
What I don't understand is why you won't just agree with me that it's factually possible that he has indeed not violated the TOS but is perma banned anyway for TOS violation. Maybe he is younger than 13, I don't know. But it's possible he's 30. If he is older than 13, then he has not violated the TOS, and he is permabanned despite not even violating the TOS.
Yes, Bioware can ban him for no reason, even for just thinking he has violated the TOS. No question. That does not change the fact that, if he is older than 13, he was perma banned without being in violation of the TOS in any way (that has been brought up in this thread). It doesn't lessen your argument to get this. I don't understand your debate mentality of not wanting to admit even a minor, factually true statement. It's like you think that if you agree with me on even the smallest fact, your argument will somehow be weakened, and that that would be absolutely terrible.
It's very possible he is perma banned despite not being in violation of the TOS in any way and despite the fact that the statement he made regarding his age was a very minor joke not meant to be taken seriously in any way, shape, or form. People act silly all the time and just say random things. What he said wasn't wasn't rude or offensive. He was just messing around. To not see that is to be a little bit too biased, in my opinion. Bioware can ban him and everyone else without reason for all I care...it is fully within their contract with the player. In this case, a minor, silly, trivial joke that wasn't meant to be taken seriously and wasn't rude towards anyone has resulted in a perma ban and it is really weird that so many people are defending the ban to the fullest extreme.
They could easily read
- Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of EA Services. Disruptive behavior includes but is not limited to conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within an EA Service. Disruptive behavior shall also include, but not be limited to, commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements.
As being any behavior that causes a CSR to have to verify your information because you might have violated that TOS. Disurptive behavior is very vague and can cover a lot of stuff.
Your right.. companys main aspect is to make money, but man this is like the 30th ive got banned tread here at MMORPG, I mean i could see this at the SW:TOR site but man wtf? I guess im more tired of everyone being like AutoBan thats what you get instead of being like WTF is their problem how many people do they expect to have left when they ban everyone.
It has to make you stop and wonder after the 100th person that says thats not right maybe you should be like well maybe the ToS sucks and they should't be using Korean Freemium ToS on a US game. Or maybe since that guy paid them 59.99+ they could at least check a couple facts before they start trowing the hammer everywhere.
Because quite frankly, I don't care if he's over 13 or not. Game developers have the right to decide who gets to use their servers and who gets to have an account and who doesn't, just like any other business.
I know folks who work in CSR and community marketing for big games. They don't ban people -- much less perma-ban someone -- wtihout a damn good reason. Knowing that, I'm not all that inclined to care if someone is or isn't over 13. If a developer thinks they broke the rules and bans them permanently, oh well.
If they perma-banned him, he violated the TOS. Simple as that.