Yeah, this. WoW has absolutely nothing on DAoC's Realm pride.
First, the realms were actually different, unlike in WoW where everyone gets the same class after a certain point.
There was no cross realm communication.
There were THREE realms, which led to a much deeper military dynamic.
You could NOT have a character on the enemy side on the same server.
And, PvP actually impacted the home realm, unlike where in WoW the PvP doesn't really matter at all.
DAoC was designed for PvP. WoW was designed for PvE.
In DAoC when servers went on dragon raids, where 200 or so fighters were trying to kill the dragon, the other realms had spies on it, and would schedule their relic assaults on those days. In WoW... eh, who cares. Doesn't really make a difference.
I am about to be a condescending prick because WoW clone type threads piss me off. Why? Because WoW is a clone. WoW as far as interface and character rendering and all that go is basically a DAOC clone with some EQ1 thrown in. WoW didn't really invent anything, EVERYTHING that is in WoW was in Asheron's call, EQ1, or DAOC before it. The problem here is that some of ya'll are young and don't remember these games and think WoW was the originator and bestest ever. The fact is not only is WoW a clone, it doesn't do PVP as well as daoc(not even close) it doesn't do pve as good as EQ1, and its graphics are reminiscent of a saturday morning children's cartoon, and I am not talking about anything as cool as pinkie and the brain here.
And the sense of community, pvp and otherwise was better on EQ and DAOC, but hey keep riding that WoW train, you may even convince yourself panderans don't suck.
EQ1 had better PvE? Better Faction Pride? I dont know what your taking to think that but can I have some of it? I played EQ1 for 3 expansions all I saw was snobs who had their nose so far up in the air they might as well be sniffing the ionosphere. 90% of the players in EQ1 defined what it meant to be narcissistic snobs. And dont get me started on the boredom known as DAoC.
Yeah... I'm going take a wild stab and said you played neither. Of course EQ1 had better PvE.
I suppose DAoC had more faction pride than WoW, but I think the main reason WoW had so much faction pride at launch was that a lot of former DAoC players bought WoW thinking the game was a lot more like DAoC than it really was.
First off, all you DAoC hipsters need to back off. Yea, I said hipsters, because you say "Oh, you if you don't know about DAoC then you have no right to talk about faction pride." Now. Ready for faction pride all up on your ass? Planetside. Everyone knew their facton motto and wore their colors proudly. Technology = might!
I won't deny, back in vanilla WOW days faction pride was pretty good, but still didn't hold a candle to DAOC's design.
EVE might not have premade factions, (actually it does) but the alliance wars in 0.0 contain more pride in them than either of the above two titles. (mostly because the stakes are so much higher)
It is true, modern MMO's don't seem to be able to recapture this sort of pride in any form, perhaps GW2 WvWvW will inspire us once again.
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First off, all you DAoC hipsters need to back off. Yea, I said hipsters, because you say "Oh, you if you don't know about DAoC then you have no right to talk about faction pride." Now. Ready for faction pride all up on your ass? Planetside. Everyone knew their facton motto and wore their colors proudly. Technology = might!
I don't think you know what a hipster is...
But yeah, DAoC is kind of well known for its realm pride and PvP. I think we can all agree though, that an MMO where PvP impacts the game (as it did in Planetside) the pride was much greater than in themepark games were it was a name that meant as little as the PvP did.
I think all the OP is trying to say is that he personally has not seen or felt epic moments in general like that ever since his experience back then. I think most of us have had those moments whether it was in DAoC, WoW, Planetside or for me..even runescape, ha. It's not exactly the pride as it was the epicness of moments for me. I remember being in the wilderness...all the way to the border with my clan. Having all my dragon/rune armor on...and a group of 110's showed up. Oh lord....after spending weeks on end getting that gear, knowing I could lose every last bit of it in a heart beat if they got a hit on me sent shrills down my spine. Those were the moments in games that I just absolutely loved. Actual intense thrills and sometimes even goosebumps from our little virtual worlds. If only I could get that into a game again...or more like if they would make games that actually allowed you to have considerable amount of risk anymore..
Sorry to burst your bubble. but Face Of Mankind takes that. i havent played the game in 3 years and i still claim to be part of GoM. the difference in your factions and the FoM factions is that the FoM factions actually give you positions. i headed up my own department in that game with a faction leader that was a actual player not a NPC.
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I feel the OP, when wow came out the open pvp was pretty good en exciting....but then came the battlegrounds and the suckage started.
For me personaly the best pvp experience was WAR....yeah thats right....WARHAMMER online.
I never played (to high lvl**) DAOC so i cant realy judge it......but a friend of mine syad the relic raids where the most amazing thing ever in pvp history.
** i never got to the good part of the game (rvr) because it was boring as fu** to play.......kill a monster and then sit for two minutes to get your mana back.....sorry but pve this game just plain sucks.
** i never got to the good part of the game (rvr) because it was boring as fu** to play.......kill a monster and then sit for two minutes to get your mana back.....sorry but pve this game just plain sucks.
That's why you grouped with people... or fought in the battlegrounds instead of grinding mobs. Or did tasks. Or quests. Downtime game more weights to fights, more incentive to group, and allowed time for socializing between fights.
But, WAR and DAoC were made by the same people though, so your experience is probably similar. But yeah, I've never seen anything quite as big as a relic raid since. 800 people all fighting in the same place, tearing down castles, blockading ports...
heh, played them all, FoM is still my top runner. when the entire game is player run with player written laws and a player senate. you gain faction pride and faction hatred. Damn LED.
Majority of you cant argue it either cause i bet barely any of you have played it. its the closest to a true sandbox game that i have ever played. everything you do has a consiquence, because there is no AI just Players.
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hmm, wish I would have played the same game as you OP.
I never felt that way when I played. It just felt like a game to be honest.
+1; I never even played DAOC but I never saw faction pride on Alliance side ever. When I played on a PvP server on Horde side during vanilla there was a bit of faction pride, but once BC hit and there were open world objectives that could only be held by one faction and especially once paid faction changes hit that all changed. There will never be faction pride where factions aren't meaningful, and they are rarely if ever meaningful in a themepark game.
I liked WoW and all, and enjoyed the pvp, but faction pride? I don't recall any really...except on the forums...but that doesn't really count. Maybe it's because I mostly played Alliance.
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OP is actually right in a way. I can't vouch for every single game that has ever come across, but I can say that during Vanilla WoW (notice I said "Vanilla"), there was more faction pride than any game I've ever played, and I've played quite a few. That isn't to say that it had the best PvP ever, but in Vanilla WoW, the was a willingness by the players to really get out into open world PvP, and the zones were set up by Blizzard in the contested areas to really facillitate that. It actually meant something to people to defend one of your towns, or to go after members of the other faction who happened to be running through your territory. You both hated and feared the other guy.
WoW catches a lot of flak for a variety of things, but they did get open world PvP right for the most part, and created their zones in a way to facilitate that kind of action. Unfortunately, the advent of battlegrounds and arena matches basically ruined the open world PvP aspect of WoW, as players no longer had reason to partake in it when they could just farm instanced PvP for better rewards.
I miss Vanilla's WoW faction pride, guild pride, server pride, and battlegroup pride. Hell, even zone pride (NA vs EU) was more entertaining back in Vanilla.
Things have changed but thats just how all games go. Now, all the pride is in world first heroic boss kills, 3v3 arena rating, Rank 1 titles, and Blizzcon championships.
The less impact PvP has on the game world, the less pride is taken in the factions. WoW, and all the themepark games that came after it, have inconsequential PvP, hence why there's no pride.
People who never played vanilla (by the looks of it a large number of the people who posted in this thread) simply can't have opinion on this as they never actually played vanilla WoW If you played cata or wotlk then you know nothing about what WoW used to be.
In my opinion if Blizzard just kept the game the same as vanilla and just added raids and new zones, pretty sure a lot of people would have been quite happy.
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Wait we got players from WoW telling DAoC players they dont know what they are talking about. and DAoC players saying that WoW players dont know what they are talking about. could it be possible that your both wrong.
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People who never played vanilla (by the looks of it a large number of the people who posted in this thread) simply can't have opinion on this as they never actually played vanilla WoW If you played cata or wotlk then you know nothing about what WoW used to be.
In my opinion if Blizzard just kept the game the same as vanilla and just added raids and new zones, pretty sure a lot of people would have been quite happy.
A game which has highest number of subscribers in MMO history can surely use more happy people right? ;p
Wait we got players from WoW telling DAoC players they dont know what they are talking about. and DAoC players saying that WoW players dont know what they are talking about. could it be possible that your both wrong.
It's far FAR more likely that people who played DAoC also played WoW, than people who played WoW also played DAoC.
And no. I've played both, DAoC had far more realm pride than WoW, its mechanics allowed it.
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Yeah, this. WoW has absolutely nothing on DAoC's Realm pride.
First, the realms were actually different, unlike in WoW where everyone gets the same class after a certain point.
There was no cross realm communication.
There were THREE realms, which led to a much deeper military dynamic.
You could NOT have a character on the enemy side on the same server.
And, PvP actually impacted the home realm, unlike where in WoW the PvP doesn't really matter at all.
DAoC was designed for PvP. WoW was designed for PvE.
In DAoC when servers went on dragon raids, where 200 or so fighters were trying to kill the dragon, the other realms had spies on it, and would schedule their relic assaults on those days. In WoW... eh, who cares. Doesn't really make a difference.
Yeah... I'm going take a wild stab and said you played neither. Of course EQ1 had better PvE.
I suppose DAoC had more faction pride than WoW, but I think the main reason WoW had so much faction pride at launch was that a lot of former DAoC players bought WoW thinking the game was a lot more like DAoC than it really was.
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First off, all you DAoC hipsters need to back off. Yea, I said hipsters, because you say "Oh, you if you don't know about DAoC then you have no right to talk about faction pride." Now. Ready for faction pride all up on your ass? Planetside. Everyone knew their facton motto and wore their colors proudly. Technology = might!
I won't deny, back in vanilla WOW days faction pride was pretty good, but still didn't hold a candle to DAOC's design.
EVE might not have premade factions, (actually it does) but the alliance wars in 0.0 contain more pride in them than either of the above two titles. (mostly because the stakes are so much higher)
It is true, modern MMO's don't seem to be able to recapture this sort of pride in any form, perhaps GW2 WvWvW will inspire us once again.
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I don't think you know what a hipster is...
But yeah, DAoC is kind of well known for its realm pride and PvP. I think we can all agree though, that an MMO where PvP impacts the game (as it did in Planetside) the pride was much greater than in themepark games were it was a name that meant as little as the PvP did.
I tend to agree with the OP. I thought SWTOR might have that level of faction rivalry but so far, I'm not seeing it.
I think all the OP is trying to say is that he personally has not seen or felt epic moments in general like that ever since his experience back then. I think most of us have had those moments whether it was in DAoC, WoW, Planetside or for me..even runescape, ha. It's not exactly the pride as it was the epicness of moments for me. I remember being in the wilderness...all the way to the border with my clan. Having all my dragon/rune armor on...and a group of 110's showed up. Oh lord....after spending weeks on end getting that gear, knowing I could lose every last bit of it in a heart beat if they got a hit on me sent shrills down my spine. Those were the moments in games that I just absolutely loved. Actual intense thrills and sometimes even goosebumps from our little virtual worlds. If only I could get that into a game again...or more like if they would make games that actually allowed you to have considerable amount of risk anymore..
Sorry but i disagre. IMO no other MMORPG will have faction pride like DAOC had.
Sorry to burst your bubble. but Face Of Mankind takes that. i havent played the game in 3 years and i still claim to be part of GoM. the difference in your factions and the FoM factions is that the FoM factions actually give you positions. i headed up my own department in that game with a faction leader that was a actual player not a NPC.
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I feel the OP, when wow came out the open pvp was pretty good en exciting....but then came the battlegrounds and the suckage started.
For me personaly the best pvp experience was WAR....yeah thats right....WARHAMMER online.
I never played (to high lvl**) DAOC so i cant realy judge it......but a friend of mine syad the relic raids where the most amazing thing ever in pvp history.
** i never got to the good part of the game (rvr) because it was boring as fu** to play.......kill a monster and then sit for two minutes to get your mana back.....sorry but pve this game just plain sucks.
That's why you grouped with people... or fought in the battlegrounds instead of grinding mobs. Or did tasks. Or quests. Downtime game more weights to fights, more incentive to group, and allowed time for socializing between fights.
But, WAR and DAoC were made by the same people though, so your experience is probably similar. But yeah, I've never seen anything quite as big as a relic raid since. 800 people all fighting in the same place, tearing down castles, blockading ports...
roflmao....omg...i can't stop laughing....lmao...
Most of you have no idea how funny this thread is for us MMO veterans.
Oh goodness, you WoW kids crack me up and shatter my funny bone in a million pieces, lol...
If only they were fortunate enough to be around to play EQ1, UO, AC, or DAoC.
heh, played them all, FoM is still my top runner. when the entire game is player run with player written laws and a player senate. you gain faction pride and faction hatred. Damn LED.
Majority of you cant argue it either cause i bet barely any of you have played it. its the closest to a true sandbox game that i have ever played. everything you do has a consiquence, because there is no AI just Players.
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+1; I never even played DAOC but I never saw faction pride on Alliance side ever. When I played on a PvP server on Horde side during vanilla there was a bit of faction pride, but once BC hit and there were open world objectives that could only be held by one faction and especially once paid faction changes hit that all changed. There will never be faction pride where factions aren't meaningful, and they are rarely if ever meaningful in a themepark game.
I liked WoW and all, and enjoyed the pvp, but faction pride? I don't recall any really...except on the forums...but that doesn't really count. Maybe it's because I mostly played Alliance.
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OP is actually right in a way. I can't vouch for every single game that has ever come across, but I can say that during Vanilla WoW (notice I said "Vanilla"), there was more faction pride than any game I've ever played, and I've played quite a few. That isn't to say that it had the best PvP ever, but in Vanilla WoW, the was a willingness by the players to really get out into open world PvP, and the zones were set up by Blizzard in the contested areas to really facillitate that. It actually meant something to people to defend one of your towns, or to go after members of the other faction who happened to be running through your territory. You both hated and feared the other guy.
WoW catches a lot of flak for a variety of things, but they did get open world PvP right for the most part, and created their zones in a way to facilitate that kind of action. Unfortunately, the advent of battlegrounds and arena matches basically ruined the open world PvP aspect of WoW, as players no longer had reason to partake in it when they could just farm instanced PvP for better rewards.
I miss Vanilla's WoW faction pride, guild pride, server pride, and battlegroup pride. Hell, even zone pride (NA vs EU) was more entertaining back in Vanilla.
Things have changed but thats just how all games go. Now, all the pride is in world first heroic boss kills, 3v3 arena rating, Rank 1 titles, and Blizzcon championships.
Thats about it.
The less impact PvP has on the game world, the less pride is taken in the factions. WoW, and all the themepark games that came after it, have inconsequential PvP, hence why there's no pride.
Agreed. if you want faction pride, look at sandbox where your decisions usually have backlashes.
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People who never played vanilla (by the looks of it a large number of the people who posted in this thread) simply can't have opinion on this as they never actually played vanilla WoW
If you played cata or wotlk then you know nothing about what WoW used to be.
In my opinion if Blizzard just kept the game the same as vanilla and just added raids and new zones, pretty sure a lot of people would have been quite happy.
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Wait we got players from WoW telling DAoC players they dont know what they are talking about. and DAoC players saying that WoW players dont know what they are talking about. could it be possible that your both wrong.
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A game which has highest number of subscribers in MMO history can surely use more happy people right? ;p
It's far FAR more likely that people who played DAoC also played WoW, than people who played WoW also played DAoC.
And no. I've played both, DAoC had far more realm pride than WoW, its mechanics allowed it.