If you can accept a monthly fee for a single player game you could check it out. If you are after a good MMO-game skip it right away cause it will never be that.
Let's ammend that.
If you don't mind paying a monthly fee for a mediocre singleplayer game with padded quests and no real impact from the story on the game world, go for it.
First of all never trust this site on what games u shoudl play. Its all doom and gloom for every game out there except gw 2.
Did you thought at least for a while that maybe, just MAYBE! it's because Anet actually listen to what MMO players, tries to bring it to them,that they try to actually create the best MMO game
For me, the game was somewhat enjoyable for the first 30-60 days or so. I started 6 characters, but I found the i was just hitting the space bar as I got tired of dialoge that did not matter, as no choice except for the one that allowed you to not actually take the quest, actually matters. Pretty much every choice leads to the same end. After playing the game for that period I got completely burnt out on the quest and world layout design. Everyone says that none of the quests are kill 10x quests, but in reality they all are. In order to do a quest which is almost always click on some object at the end of a long corridor, you will be required to have killed 40x trash mobs (unless you play a stealth quest, in which it drops down to 15x trash mobs). So what's the difference, getting to the end of a corridor to kill 1 boss mob or click on 1-5 different world objects? In my mind, there is no difference. Also, the world design leads to incredibly long periods of getting from point A to point B, complete quest and then having to go back to point A. In between a million trash mobs that after a while just gets annoying. The only consolation i had was in playing classes with stealth abilities.
You might find that type of game play enjoyable. I can only suggest that instead of buying, wait for the buddy keys and try it out. You might enjoy it, at which time you can buy and sub. If not, you have saved yourself a decent amount of coin.
That's just BS from another fanboy. I didn't much care for Ultima Online, though it was a far better and more dynamic game than this... EQ2 was fun on-and-off. WoW was ugly. I loved Eve Online right up until the T20 scandal. LOTRO was a great two years and I'd still be playing if I wasn't burned out.
DDO is a nice diversion but not a full-time game for me. GW was a good 'change of pace' MMO and I'm going to do the same with GW2. I played Mabinogi (late 2007-late 2009) for two years and it's a freakin' F2P Korean grindfest with 2001 production values run by one of the most dysfunctional and greediest MMO companies on the planet. Fallen Earth was great, but died with the 1.5 patch and the massive exodus... Wakfu is cute, but the players are too jerkish so I'm probably not going to do much there.
STO was a good month. At least in space.... DCUO has been fun. Rift started well, was better than SWTOR, but I got tired of always being interrupted by rifts... Just wore me out...
The problem with SWTOR is YOU HAVE NO VOICE IN YOUR GAME EXPERIENCE. Everything is so on rails that you're just another drone. It's less of a personal experience than a book. At least with a book you can IMAGINE what the other people sound like. Here, it's all crappy, phony-choice voice acting.
May as wel play a bad CRPG. Least you won't have to pay a monthly rent to finish a bunch of bad stories.
None of this means much to someone who had fun and enjoyed the stories. How is TOR any more on rails than pretty much any other themepark? They're all quest hub based, and just like those in TOR you can lvl through other means such as PVP if that's what you want to do, or you can mob grind, do flashpoints etc.. The selective reasoning on this site boggles my mind at times.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That's just BS from another fanboy. I didn't much care for Ultima Online, though it was a far better and more dynamic game than this... EQ2 was fun on-and-off. WoW was ugly. I loved Eve Online right up until the T20 scandal. LOTRO was a great two years and I'd still be playing if I wasn't burned out.
DDO is a nice diversion but not a full-time game for me. GW was a good 'change of pace' MMO and I'm going to do the same with GW2. I played Mabinogi (late 2007-late 2009) for two years and it's a freakin' F2P Korean grindfest with 2001 production values run by one of the most dysfunctional and greediest MMO companies on the planet. Fallen Earth was great, but died with the 1.5 patch and the massive exodus... Wakfu is cute, but the players are too jerkish so I'm probably not going to do much there.
STO was a good month. At least in space.... DCUO has been fun. Rift started well, was better than SWTOR, but I got tired of always being interrupted by rifts... Just wore me out...
The problem with SWTOR is YOU HAVE NO VOICE IN YOUR GAME EXPERIENCE. Everything is so on rails that you're just another drone. It's less of a personal experience than a book. At least with a book you can IMAGINE what the other people sound like. Here, it's all crappy, phony-choice voice acting.
May as wel play a bad CRPG. Least you won't have to pay a monthly rent to finish a bunch of bad stories.
None of this means much to someone who had fun and enjoyed the stories. How is TOR any more on rails than pretty much any other themepark?
Because all of the content is instanced and there's no open gameworld, and the quests themselves are pretty awful because they use them to pad the gameplay?
I havent tried SWTOR yet....Right now the 60$ price tag is scaring me off...Also like many of you Im not interested in paying a monthly for basically a single player game.....This game might be one I'd try in a year or so when the price comes down and they have more time with it.....In 2012 there are just too many free online options to drop 60 bucks to try a game
None of this means much to someone who had fun and enjoyed the stories. How is TOR any more on rails than pretty much any other themepark?
Because all of the content is instanced and there's no open gameworld, and the quests themselves are pretty awful because they use them to pad the gameplay?
Well first there is open world game-play, so I don't know what you mean there, the last part is completely subjective. So I don't feel like arguing about opinions. But again that is complete misinformation on the subject of all content being instanced away.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
If you enjoy paying a subscription to play a single player game, then you'll love SW.
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@ OP, What you're seeing here is people trying to get a rise out of TOR players, TOR is only a SP game if you play it like one, there is plenty of content in TOR designed around group play, just about every planet especially after the starter worlds, have entire areas with heroic content designed for groups (all in the open world).
I personally will prob never go back to TOR, I am not a fan of themepark designs, but if you like themepark design at least give a trial a go. Most replies on this game are going to be based on the game not living up to peoples bloated expectations, or biased based on people's want of innovation in the genre which TOR doesn't bring to the table. Not to mention many users on this site have no idea what being objective means.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I read the reviews on game review sites and they seem to give this game high ratings. But when I come here it's all doom and gloom. Should I even try this game or is it really that bad?
No, it's not a "bad" game. The problem is asking the question here is pointless, there's more feces slinging here than there is at monkey world.
If splashing out £45 or $60 is a concern then don't bother.
Ie. it's good unless you have to justify the cash you spend in which case there are much better options.
No. try;
i.e If that amount of money is a "considerable" sum to you and spending it on something you may or may not enjoy then don't risk it.
Because all of the content is instanced and there's no open gameworld, and the quests themselves are pretty awful because they use them to pad the gameplay?
All of the content is instanced and there's no open world? Well, it's clear you have never played TOR, so your opinion can safely be ignored.
I read the reviews on game review sites and they seem to give this game high ratings. But when I come here it's all doom and gloom. Should I even try this game or is it really that bad?
This site is full of people that only like games taht aren't out yet or games that were released 12 years ago.
The best I can tell you, if you have played and liked Bioware single player RPGs, and a multiplayer version of one of those sounds fun, you will probably like TOR. If you are expecting SWG2, you won't like it.
you know you reapeat what the first 2 dudes said right?
single player game with MMO elements on it with a monthly fee, or you could find a private server, they already are out mind you
I read the reviews on game review sites and they seem to give this game high ratings. But when I come here it's all doom and gloom. Should I even try this game or is it really that bad?
You won't find much love here for SWTOR, or ANY game that has been released for that matter. SWTOR failed to live up to the hype and the high expectations many people had. That being said, IMO, it's not a bad game. It could be MUCH better, and there are many things that I wish were different. Overall, i'm still enjoying it. You need to look at it on your own and come to your own conclusion.
Best of luck to you.
Every MMORPG is AWESOME, until it's released! I don't want a game so much as I want a WORLD! -- o·pin·ion noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
I read the reviews on game review sites and they seem to give this game high ratings. But when I come here it's all doom and gloom. Should I even try this game or is it really that bad?
This site is full of people that only like games taht aren't out yet or games that were released 12 years ago.
The best I can tell you, if you have played and liked Bioware single player RPGs, and a multiplayer version of one of those sounds fun, you will probably like TOR. If you are expecting SWG2, you won't like it.
LOL! True.
Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.
I read the reviews on game review sites and they seem to give this game high ratings. But when I come here it's all doom and gloom. Should I even try this game or is it really that bad?
This site is full of people that only like games taht aren't out yet or games that were released 12 years ago.
The best I can tell you, if you have played and liked Bioware single player RPGs, and a multiplayer version of one of those sounds fun, you will probably like TOR. If you are expecting SWG2, you won't like it.
LOL! True.
Yea,people still play Chess and its like 1500 years old,man that must be terrible!
I read the reviews on game review sites and they seem to give this game high ratings. But when I come here it's all doom and gloom. Should I even try this game or is it really that bad?
This is without a doubt the worst website you could ever ask this question on. If you're seeing nothing but doom and gloom, what makes you think it's gonna be any different when you ask?
Though I personally think the game is decent, but needs a lot of work to really be "fun". I think it'll get there, but for now, it's nothing great and lots of nagging issues.
I personally enjoyed the first two months of gameplay at a recreational pace, playing through the storyline quests, some PVP, and some of the space missions. I just broke level 30 and am still having fun when I have the time to play.
If you are looking for a storyline-driven MMORPG, where you can do 90% of the content solo or enjoy grouping with other people, then SWTOR might be for you. You do have to keep in mind that some systems are still in their early stages of being expanded to what many people consider it "should" have been for release (UI, crafting, guild management, PVP rewards).
A decent number of people on mmorpg.com will give you the usual doom and gloom (if not flat out venemous) responses, but I personally don't mind endorsing the game. Like most things in the world, if you accept it for what it is and focus on the positive points, it can be a lot of fun. If you intend to churn through the game at a breakneck pace and are looking for a robust and well-defined end-game, SWTOR is likely not for you.
I don't believe anyone minds endorsing the game, but that's just the thing of it, it's a game diguised as a MMORPG. Like i posted earlier. Bioware set out to make KOTOR 3 thru 10 and they achieved that. The fly in the oitment is that they sold this as a MMORPG and it really is a single player game with multiplayer tacked on. I keep going back to what Bioware devs said about finding that sweet spot that was right between thempark and sandbox for TOR. They blew up those 4 pillars of a MMORPG and talked up story, story snd more story but also said it would have something for explorers and all that other crap. Bioware basically was full of shit on everything except story.
Every planet is shoeboxed and linear that guides you from point a to b. There's no reason to be anywhere on any given planet but to do a series of quests. Once you out do the level of that planet you move on to the next. Where's the exploration in that, where are the ruined cities or ancient cave systems that hold secrets and treasure. Where are the underwater worlds that can be explored for the sake of just exploring them. TOR has none of that, and every part of the landscape is somehow connected to a personal story or a quest which is ok, but to much of anything can be bad.
Let's talk about all those dead cantina's that are used for nothing more than a place to log out and rest. Talk about a pure MMORPG design flaw. All the system tools that Bioware could have given players to make those places be the social hubs instead of some dreary ass faction fleet. They surely could have added in social professions for those that want more out of their time logged in than pure combat.
Everything about TOR pigeonholes the players or shards the players into very small groups spread out across all those planets. I played the game form the early access, took almost 2 months to level and in that time you know how many people of the other faction i seen, maybe 5 or 6 total. They have those planets so instanced off form the other faction, what's the use of even having 2 factions. Open world PVP is a joke. I would love to know how much they spent to create Illum, just to trash it for however long. Open world PVP will never work in a small controlled area. It needs the dynamics of a open world, where a battle can break out at any given time or place. You want the answer for PVP, go and create a modern day version of the old SWG pre-cu overt/covert system. That system also could serve two purposes as well. It would also get rid of the need for all those different server types that TOR has. If Bioware would have had more of a sack, they would of created a MMORPG that had all players on one server, that could have PVE, PVP and RP all in one and actually have servers with solid communities helping each other and existing in the Old Republic galaxy.
I personally enjoyed the first two months of gameplay at a recreational pace, playing through the storyline quests, some PVP, and some of the space missions. I just broke level 30 and am still having fun when I have the time to play.
If you are looking for a storyline-driven MMORPG, where you can do 90% of the content solo or enjoy grouping with other people, then SWTOR might be for you. You do have to keep in mind that some systems are still in their early stages of being expanded to what many people consider it "should" have been for release (UI, crafting, guild management, PVP rewards).
A decent number of people on mmorpg.com will give you the usual doom and gloom (if not flat out venemous) responses, but I personally don't mind endorsing the game. Like most things in the world, if you accept it for what it is and focus on the positive points, it can be a lot of fun. If you intend to churn through the game at a breakneck pace and are looking for a robust and well-defined end-game, SWTOR is likely not for you.
I don't believe anyone minds endorsing the game, but that's just the thing of it, it's a game diguised as a MMORPG. Like i posted earlier. Bioware set out to make KOTOR 3 thru 10 and they achieved that. The fly in the oitment is that they sold this as a MMORPG and it really is a single player game with multiplayer tacked on.
I'm going to continue to point out that it is as much MMO as any other MMO out there, and it's only as much of a single player as you make it. If you believe as I've quoted you, then it's not the fault of the game designers. You could opt to skip a lot of the shitty side quests and just run Warzones, Heroic Areas, Flashpoints, hell, even the "single player" story areas in groups - just because you don't, doesn't mean the multiplayer was tacked on as a side for the story.
So stop complaining about things like this as they're your own fault.
That being said, I stopped playing because the combat was kinda dull and I felt there wasn't really anything exciting me and pushing me to continue. So meh. But the first flashpoints were the most fun I'd had in a while in an MMO - which actually could be considered sad.
Worst case scenario is you pay for the box and get at least 1 month of enjoy ment from leveling up (Which is more then I can say for every MMO that I have played save for EQ2 and WoW.).
People are too harsh on this game primarily because of EA
I personally enjoyed the first two months of gameplay at a recreational pace, playing through the storyline quests, some PVP, and some of the space missions. I just broke level 30 and am still having fun when I have the time to play.
If you are looking for a storyline-driven MMORPG, where you can do 90% of the content solo or enjoy grouping with other people, then SWTOR might be for you. You do have to keep in mind that some systems are still in their early stages of being expanded to what many people consider it "should" have been for release (UI, crafting, guild management, PVP rewards).
A decent number of people on mmorpg.com will give you the usual doom and gloom (if not flat out venemous) responses, but I personally don't mind endorsing the game. Like most things in the world, if you accept it for what it is and focus on the positive points, it can be a lot of fun. If you intend to churn through the game at a breakneck pace and are looking for a robust and well-defined end-game, SWTOR is likely not for you.
I don't believe anyone minds endorsing the game, but that's just the thing of it, it's a game diguised as a MMORPG. Like i posted earlier. Bioware set out to make KOTOR 3 thru 10 and they achieved that. The fly in the oitment is that they sold this as a MMORPG and it really is a single player game with multiplayer tacked on.
I'm going to continue to point out that it is as much MMO as any other MMO out there, and it's only as much of a single player as you make it. If you believe as I've quoted you, then it's not the fault of the game designers. You could opt to skip a lot of the shitty side quests and just run Warzones, Heroic Areas, Flashpoints, hell, even the "single player" story areas in groups - just because you don't, doesn't mean the multiplayer was tacked on as a side for the story.
So stop complaining about things like this as they're your own fault.
That being said, I stopped playing because the combat was kinda dull and I felt there wasn't really anything exciting me and pushing me to continue. So meh. But the first flashpoints were the most fun I'd had in a while in an MMO - which actually could be considered sad.
You're right, TOR is as much of those out there, yep correct. The thing is, most of those others out there are not really MMORPG's. I'm not talking about the older one's, i'm talking about those that have come out in the last 5 or 6 yrs. Just because it plays online and has more than yourself in the game world, does not make a MMO even less of a MMORPG. It makes it a single player game with mutiplayer functions. There's nothing in TOR that makes it a living breathing game world, it's just to static everwhere. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trashing TOR far from it. I was a huge fan before it released all the way till i leveled to 50. The game gets stale, i can't describe it any other way. Bioware went on about Story, story , story, story and i figured, well the game will have a good story to follow and it should be pretty cool in a mmorpg environment. The problem is, little by little, you come to realize that at 50, you need to jump into your divers gear and go back and dive under all that story to see if you can find the MMORPG elements that are shockingly missing from this title.
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Let's ammend that.
If you don't mind paying a monthly fee for a mediocre singleplayer game with padded quests and no real impact from the story on the game world, go for it.
No, I didn't, because GW2 has tons of instancing.
For me, the game was somewhat enjoyable for the first 30-60 days or so. I started 6 characters, but I found the i was just hitting the space bar as I got tired of dialoge that did not matter, as no choice except for the one that allowed you to not actually take the quest, actually matters. Pretty much every choice leads to the same end. After playing the game for that period I got completely burnt out on the quest and world layout design. Everyone says that none of the quests are kill 10x quests, but in reality they all are. In order to do a quest which is almost always click on some object at the end of a long corridor, you will be required to have killed 40x trash mobs (unless you play a stealth quest, in which it drops down to 15x trash mobs). So what's the difference, getting to the end of a corridor to kill 1 boss mob or click on 1-5 different world objects? In my mind, there is no difference. Also, the world design leads to incredibly long periods of getting from point A to point B, complete quest and then having to go back to point A. In between a million trash mobs that after a while just gets annoying. The only consolation i had was in playing classes with stealth abilities.
You might find that type of game play enjoyable. I can only suggest that instead of buying, wait for the buddy keys and try it out. You might enjoy it, at which time you can buy and sub. If not, you have saved yourself a decent amount of coin.
None of this means much to someone who had fun and enjoyed the stories. How is TOR any more on rails than pretty much any other themepark? They're all quest hub based, and just like those in TOR you can lvl through other means such as PVP if that's what you want to do, or you can mob grind, do flashpoints etc.. The selective reasoning on this site boggles my mind at times.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Because all of the content is instanced and there's no open gameworld, and the quests themselves are pretty awful because they use them to pad the gameplay?
I havent tried SWTOR yet....Right now the 60$ price tag is scaring me off...Also like many of you Im not interested in paying a monthly for basically a single player game.....This game might be one I'd try in a year or so when the price comes down and they have more time with it.....In 2012 there are just too many free online options to drop 60 bucks to try a game
Well first there is open world game-play, so I don't know what you mean there, the last part is completely subjective. So I don't feel like arguing about opinions. But again that is complete misinformation on the subject of all content being instanced away.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This
@ OP, What you're seeing here is people trying to get a rise out of TOR players, TOR is only a SP game if you play it like one, there is plenty of content in TOR designed around group play, just about every planet especially after the starter worlds, have entire areas with heroic content designed for groups (all in the open world).
I personally will prob never go back to TOR, I am not a fan of themepark designs, but if you like themepark design at least give a trial a go. Most replies on this game are going to be based on the game not living up to peoples bloated expectations, or biased based on people's want of innovation in the genre which TOR doesn't bring to the table. Not to mention many users on this site have no idea what being objective means.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
No. try;
i.e If that amount of money is a "considerable" sum to you and spending it on something you may or may not enjoy then don't risk it.
Not bad, just stale and boring.
All of the content is instanced and there's no open world? Well, it's clear you have never played TOR, so your opinion can safely be ignored.
you know you reapeat what the first 2 dudes said right?
single player game with MMO elements on it with a monthly fee, or you could find a private server, they already are out mind you
You won't find much love here for SWTOR, or ANY game that has been released for that matter. SWTOR failed to live up to the hype and the high expectations many people had. That being said, IMO, it's not a bad game. It could be MUCH better, and there are many things that I wish were different. Overall, i'm still enjoying it. You need to look at it on your own and come to your own conclusion.
Best of luck to you.
Every MMORPG is AWESOME, until it's released!
I don't want a game so much as I want a WORLD!
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o·pin·ion noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
LOL! True.
Trammies need to stop polluting the MMORPG landscape. They already have enough games in which to emote hugs and sell garbage by the banks.
Yea,people still play Chess and its like 1500 years old,man that must be terrible!
Let's internet
This is without a doubt the worst website you could ever ask this question on. If you're seeing nothing but doom and gloom, what makes you think it's gonna be any different when you ask?
Though I personally think the game is decent, but needs a lot of work to really be "fun". I think it'll get there, but for now, it's nothing great and lots of nagging issues.
I'd say give it a try in April after patch 1.2.
I don't believe anyone minds endorsing the game, but that's just the thing of it, it's a game diguised as a MMORPG. Like i posted earlier. Bioware set out to make KOTOR 3 thru 10 and they achieved that. The fly in the oitment is that they sold this as a MMORPG and it really is a single player game with multiplayer tacked on. I keep going back to what Bioware devs said about finding that sweet spot that was right between thempark and sandbox for TOR. They blew up those 4 pillars of a MMORPG and talked up story, story snd more story but also said it would have something for explorers and all that other crap. Bioware basically was full of shit on everything except story.
Every planet is shoeboxed and linear that guides you from point a to b. There's no reason to be anywhere on any given planet but to do a series of quests. Once you out do the level of that planet you move on to the next. Where's the exploration in that, where are the ruined cities or ancient cave systems that hold secrets and treasure. Where are the underwater worlds that can be explored for the sake of just exploring them. TOR has none of that, and every part of the landscape is somehow connected to a personal story or a quest which is ok, but to much of anything can be bad.
Let's talk about all those dead cantina's that are used for nothing more than a place to log out and rest. Talk about a pure MMORPG design flaw. All the system tools that Bioware could have given players to make those places be the social hubs instead of some dreary ass faction fleet. They surely could have added in social professions for those that want more out of their time logged in than pure combat.
Everything about TOR pigeonholes the players or shards the players into very small groups spread out across all those planets. I played the game form the early access, took almost 2 months to level and in that time you know how many people of the other faction i seen, maybe 5 or 6 total. They have those planets so instanced off form the other faction, what's the use of even having 2 factions. Open world PVP is a joke. I would love to know how much they spent to create Illum, just to trash it for however long. Open world PVP will never work in a small controlled area. It needs the dynamics of a open world, where a battle can break out at any given time or place. You want the answer for PVP, go and create a modern day version of the old SWG pre-cu overt/covert system. That system also could serve two purposes as well. It would also get rid of the need for all those different server types that TOR has. If Bioware would have had more of a sack, they would of created a MMORPG that had all players on one server, that could have PVE, PVP and RP all in one and actually have servers with solid communities helping each other and existing in the Old Republic galaxy.
I'm going to continue to point out that it is as much MMO as any other MMO out there, and it's only as much of a single player as you make it. If you believe as I've quoted you, then it's not the fault of the game designers. You could opt to skip a lot of the shitty side quests and just run Warzones, Heroic Areas, Flashpoints, hell, even the "single player" story areas in groups - just because you don't, doesn't mean the multiplayer was tacked on as a side for the story.
So stop complaining about things like this as they're your own fault.
That being said, I stopped playing because the combat was kinda dull and I felt there wasn't really anything exciting me and pushing me to continue. So meh. But the first flashpoints were the most fun I'd had in a while in an MMO - which actually could be considered sad.
That is until GW2 comes out, and then it's business as usual.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
QFT, no doubt about it.
"The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"
indeed, this is NO place for an MMO fan.
No, this is the perfect place for MMO fans. It's just not the palce for MMO players.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Worst case scenario is you pay for the box and get at least 1 month of enjoy ment from leveling up (Which is more then I can say for every MMO that I have played save for EQ2 and WoW.).
People are too harsh on this game primarily because of EA
You're right, TOR is as much of those out there, yep correct. The thing is, most of those others out there are not really MMORPG's. I'm not talking about the older one's, i'm talking about those that have come out in the last 5 or 6 yrs. Just because it plays online and has more than yourself in the game world, does not make a MMO even less of a MMORPG. It makes it a single player game with mutiplayer functions. There's nothing in TOR that makes it a living breathing game world, it's just to static everwhere. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trashing TOR far from it. I was a huge fan before it released all the way till i leveled to 50. The game gets stale, i can't describe it any other way. Bioware went on about Story, story , story, story and i figured, well the game will have a good story to follow and it should be pretty cool in a mmorpg environment. The problem is, little by little, you come to realize that at 50, you need to jump into your divers gear and go back and dive under all that story to see if you can find the MMORPG elements that are shockingly missing from this title.