When I say dead, I mean as in lack of activity. There still players on, but none of the grouping up that used to happen regularly seems to be happening. Flashpoints are a bitch to find when they used to be easy to find. The population on my server is kinda small when taken into consideration on how many servers there are.
Thank you, thats a answer I can live with.
First of all are you talking lvl 50 hm fps? or the ones leveling up? The ones leveling up always where kinna useless, they take too long vs the xp and reward. You level much faster by doing the solo missions/stories (not even taking space combat into the equetion) .
However numbers dont lie. This game has 1.7million subscribers. That makes it at worst, the 3rd most popular MMO (After WoW and Eve). Thats a massive success no matter which way you look at it. The haters on this site are by no means a fair representation of the MMO playing community as a whole.
Anyone that says the 1.7million number is innaccurate doesnt understand coporate liability - If they lie about the subscriber numbers to the shareholders they are commiting a criminal offense. I seriously doubt they are doing that.
And no one would ever fudge numbers or lie to shareholders. Just ask Wall Street
Yeah Enron, those days a re LOOOONG gone, buddy. Nice try though
LMAO you must've missed a bunch of the headlines the last couple of years. Best you get off your MMO and out of the basement and catch up.
What headlines, show me WHERE a corporation blatantly lied to its shareholder recently. BEcause its illegal.
Look up Sarbanes Oxley Act. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, lol headlines? rofl. Do not believe everything you read on the internet.
I work in Wall street. I dont sit around on an MMO all day. How bout you big guy? lol
Wait... you honestly believe that because something is illegal that it doesnt happen?
Ok you might want to sit down for this next one I have to tell you about illegal drugs....
People and companies scamming is nothing new but in general people and companies scam to make money. Not so they have to pay their share holders, or lets say.. Lucas(art) more money. I could be wrong but most people arent trying to have to pay more tax either.
i am talking about every day in nearly every shared zone i can fnd. not just 1 or 2. i literally go around trying to find people, even if it is to help new players/toons on the starter planets.
i have admitted not all servers are like mine, ther are clearly a few busy servers. but there is a hell of a lot of dead servers too. so dont come telling me i'm wrong without due reason
Ok, lets get some facts here. What server do you play on that is dead? you state "a hell of a lot of dead servers too", so lets get names on them too. If you are going to come out making these claims lets get the facts directly.
Luka Sene
and as for other servers simply read about the many gamers that you are willing to dismiss. and what is your ervers name while we're at it?
Lets set the record straight right off the bat here ok. You are the one claiming that there are tons of servers out there which are dead, not me. I never dismiss anyones claims, I ask for clarification and proof of thier claims and then I go out and verify them myself. You are making claims, I am asking for the facts so I can verify if you are telling the truth or making shit up. Sure I believe you are making shit up, I'll be honest and up front on that one. I'll go to your server and I'll make an alt there to see if you are in fact on a 'dead server'. If you are, I'll agree that you are, if you are not I'll probably come back here and call you a liar in public. You ok with that?
Oh and my main PvP server is The Fatman, I have characters on 4 other servers as well (2 PvE, one RP-PvP, and one RP-PvE). Not all of them have the same population as the others, some are weak on one side, strong on the other. I play where my guilds are. If you wish you can go make yourself comfortable on The Fatman and check for yourself, I'm sure nobody there would mind having someone new to beat the shit out of every day.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
You can't compare the detail and attention poured into this game to any other 3 month release.
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Totally worth buying. Yes games have probs. You can't compare the detail and attention poured into this game to any other 3 month release. Experienced gamer report! Definate win.
Totally agree with op,that is if you only wish to play the first 50 levels and doing the class quest. But when the classquest is finished it is game over for most people. What happens is this extreemle boring gear grind,horribly boring. Would be more fun grinding killing same mobs over and over 50 000 times than those things you are offered in swtor.
SWTOR was the last nail for me. Now I come here for the latest news but will not rejoin the MMO scene until something drastic changes.
So thank you SWTOR for making me a complete cynic when it comes too all new MMOs.
I guess ill be seeing you in GW2 then...The wait is almost OVER!
For the sake of the worlds population, I really do hope GW2 turns out to be what so many of you have hopes it will be. I can see a lot of crushed people if it isn't, the hype is beyond off the chart.
Ehh, oh well. If it doesn't turn out so well there is always joining the Occupy movement.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Isn't the Fiscal quarter reports release this week?
No it ends at the end of march, then they need to get all the info together for the year end report. They may do a summary of key figures though earlier.
When I say dead, I mean as in lack of activity. There still players on, but none of the grouping up that used to happen regularly seems to be happening. Flashpoints are a bitch to find when they used to be easy to find. The population on my server is kinda small when taken into consideration on how many servers there are.
Thank you, thats a answer I can live with.
First of all are you talking lvl 50 hm fps? or the ones leveling up? The ones leveling up always where kinna useless, they take too long vs the xp and reward. You level much faster by doing the solo missions/stories (not even taking space combat into the equetion) .
Well both kind of. For me it's mainly the ones levelling up as I'm not 50 yet. But they dried up around mid Feb. Granted for a while I noticed that there were the leveling 50 hm ones going for a while longer but I'm not seeing calls for that anymore in chat.
It's really disheartening seeing what used to be a busy chat channel in the fleet station now barely used. There are a few people who chat, but it's literally the same names.
I think the game is losing players and to a greater extent servers are losing players to the busier servers. I do think they are in a position where they have too many servers for the players they have.
Do I think we'll see server merges or it going f2p within the year? Short answer is, no. EA will make sure of that,
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
i am talking about every day in nearly every shared zone i can fnd. not just 1 or 2. i literally go around trying to find people, even if it is to help new players/toons on the starter planets.
i have admitted not all servers are like mine, ther are clearly a few busy servers. but there is a hell of a lot of dead servers too. so dont come telling me i'm wrong without due reason
Ok, lets get some facts here. What server do you play on that is dead? you state "a hell of a lot of dead servers too", so lets get names on them too. If you are going to come out making these claims lets get the facts directly.
Luka Sene
and as for other servers simply read about the many gamers that you are willing to dismiss. and what is your ervers name while we're at it?
Lets set the record straight right off the bat here ok. You are the one claiming that there are tons of servers out there which are dead, not me. I never dismiss anyones claims, I ask for clarification and proof of thier claims and then I go out and verify them myself. You are making claims, I am asking for the facts so I can verify if you are telling the truth or making shit up. Sure I believe you are making shit up, I'll be honest and up front on that one. I'll go to your server and I'll make an alt there to see if you are in fact on a 'dead server'. If you are, I'll agree that you are, if you are not I'll probably come back here and call you a liar in public. You ok with that?
Oh and my main PvP server is The Fatman, I have characters on 4 other servers as well (2 PvE, one RP-PvP, and one RP-PvE). Not all of them have the same population as the others, some are weak on one side, strong on the other. I play where my guilds are. If you wish you can go make yourself comfortable on The Fatman and check for yourself, I'm sure nobody there would mind having someone new to beat the shit out of every day.
Apologies. I read some of your replies as dismissing my own experience of the game and wrongly assumed you would do the same for others. I may have been also misreading your replies to me.
By all means make an alternative on my server but rather than come here and continue to call names, if you do think I'm wrong, then tell me why you think I'm wrong and I'll be happy to debate my points civilly. For instance today there was around 50 people online on the fleet which is the most I've seen in a while, but I still view that as a low number compared to what it used to be. You might see it differently, and if you then that's your prerogative and I can't say you're wrong for having an opinion.
I will roll a toon onyour server to see if it resembles what my server used to be. I doubt I'll stay on it as I really can't face levelling a new character up as I truly do find the story really boring. But image just wait and see if they will allow server transfers at a later date. While I do get a fair few beatings in pvp, I am able to dish out a fewmyself :P
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
IIlum is so terrible even Bioware are removing it.
Lvl 50 PvP is pointless
LvL 50 Pvp is impossible for a newly reached level 50 player.
None existant customer service
poor maintainence times
numerous friends list bugs
dead planets in reference to people
dead planets in reference to NPC's not ever moving.
No LFG feature
90% of pvp matches will be huttball
horrible UI
pointless professions
bugged professions
bugged class quests
jawa balloon quest is ridiuclous and bugged
unabandonable quests
9+ Players in one WZ team bug
broken economy on servers due to poor price points of purchaesable items
rampant botting
Loot system is locked in, if someone rolls ur class ur screwed
poor textures that we didn't have in beta, they were dumbed down at release because of the game engine.
WZ's dont always count for daily quest STILL
getting stuck in invisible zones in WZs
lack of space content (really? samer thing over and over again?)
a reverse engineering bug that they ignore
trinkets that dont release you from the animation
lack of endgame content
pointless lvl 50 pvp gear
pointless craftables at level 50
Companion bug where everything stops when they return
LAME character creation
Overload of constant "Side Quests" (which are also unabandonable.)
Ships are stale and pointless
excessive loading times
Almost no immersion in the game.
Can't even use chairs
Linear worlds, you are funneled to every segment of all planets
Even open planets are small due to the "exhaustion zones"
Games Laucher causes people problems just about every patch
Does not support CrossFireX or SLI in 2011! WTH!
Virtually no support for ATI GPU's
Forced to watch every cutscene even if you've seen it 100 times if you group. Spacebar to skip is STILL slow as hell.
Despite what all the fanboi's are saying the people are leaving the game. 1.7Mil in january and 1.7 mil in March says Bioware are only sustaining as best, but NOT growing.
This list is meaningless unless compared to other games 'first three month list'.
Care to compare this to Vanguard's list? WAR's list? Heck, even WoW's list?
The OP topic immediately places TOR's list relative to other games on release. The only game that could beat this list, imo, is Rift. So, I disagree with the OP, but only by 1 game.
I took advantage of the free weekend thing, and I am glad I did. Back when Bioware was releasing tid-bits on you-tube, I made the comment, many times, that SW:TOR was an EQ/WoW clone in space. Unfortunately, after the free weekend, I found out that I was right.
This is definitely, not a terrible game, I am just not impressed. I am immersed in EVE, have been for about three years, so levelling is something I did back in the day, I have EVolved.
SW:TOR seems like it should have been made 9 years ago, as it does not bring any new features or eye-catching content. The cutscenes for missions, I think, should be an option, not mandatory. They suck, there is no other way to say it.
Some people may like this travesty to the name of Star Wars, and I am sure GL loves it, because like the second trilo, it sucks. It adds nothing to the SW universe, but the younger generation of SW fans will eat it up, just like that Clone Wars cartoon.
I am not going to buy this game, it simply isn't worth it. o7
IIlum is so terrible even Bioware are removing it.
Lvl 50 PvP is pointless
LvL 50 Pvp is impossible for a newly reached level 50 player.
None existant customer service
poor maintainence times
numerous friends list bugs
dead planets in reference to people
dead planets in reference to NPC's not ever moving.
No LFG feature
90% of pvp matches will be huttball
horrible UI
pointless professions
bugged professions
bugged class quests
jawa balloon quest is ridiuclous and bugged
unabandonable quests
9+ Players in one WZ team bug
broken economy on servers due to poor price points of purchaesable items
rampant botting
Loot system is locked in, if someone rolls ur class ur screwed
poor textures that we didn't have in beta, they were dumbed down at release because of the game engine.
WZ's dont always count for daily quest STILL
getting stuck in invisible zones in WZs
lack of space content (really? samer thing over and over again?)
a reverse engineering bug that they ignore
trinkets that dont release you from the animation
lack of endgame content
pointless lvl 50 pvp gear
pointless craftables at level 50
Companion bug where everything stops when they return
LAME character creation
Overload of constant "Side Quests" (which are also unabandonable.)
Ships are stale and pointless
excessive loading times
Almost no immersion in the game.
Can't even use chairs
Linear worlds, you are funneled to every segment of all planets
Even open planets are small due to the "exhaustion zones"
Games Laucher causes people problems just about every patch
Does not support CrossFireX or SLI in 2011! WTH!
Virtually no support for ATI GPU's
Forced to watch every cutscene even if you've seen it 100 times if you group. Spacebar to skip is STILL slow as hell.
Despite what all the fanboi's are saying the people are leaving the game. 1.7Mil in january and 1.7 mil in March says Bioware are only sustaining as best, but NOT growing.
Yea just 1.7 million , Vanguard would kill to have 1.7 million players, no they would kill to have 10,000 players
However numbers dont lie. This game has 1.7million subscribers. That makes it at worst, the 3rd most popular MMO (After WoW and Eve). Thats a massive success no matter which way you look at it. The haters on this site are by no means a fair representation of the MMO playing community as a whole.
Anyone that says the 1.7million number is innaccurate doesnt understand corporate liability - If they lie about the subscriber numbers to the shareholders they are commiting a criminal offense. I seriously doubt they are doing that.
Or your forgetting they don't have to lie directly. They can lie indirectly !!! Want me to explain???
They can claim to have 1.7 million accounts opened which is not the same thing as active. They are just spinning the words. They can also include in that 1.7 million number : trials of new players (free trial) , people who subbed 3 months like a bunch of noobs without knowing the game, free buddy promotions or keys.
Doesn't mean the game has that many active just that's how many accounts were opened. The real test will come soon when we see the end of the trial and 3 months sub plans. Then you will have a real picture! now it's just PR spin!
I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....
However numbers dont lie. This game has 1.7million subscribers. That makes it at worst, the 3rd most popular MMO (After WoW and Eve). Thats a massive success no matter which way you look at it. The haters on this site are by no means a fair representation of the MMO playing community as a whole.
Anyone that says the 1.7million number is innaccurate doesnt understand corporate liability - If they lie about the subscriber numbers to the shareholders they are commiting a criminal offense. I seriously doubt they are doing that.
Or your forgetting they don't have to lie directly. They can lie indirectly !!! Want me to explain???
They can claim to have 1.7 million accounts opened which is not the same thing as active. They are just spinning the words. They can also include in that 1.7 million number : trials of new players (free trial) , people who subbed 3 months like a bunch of noobs without knowing the game, free buddy promotions or keys.
Doesn't mean the game has that many active just that's how many accounts were opened. The real test will come soon when we see the end of the trial and 3 months sub plans. Then you will have a real picture! now it's just PR spin!
Boy that comes across as tin foil.
IIRC wasnt the statement along the lines of "all paid for accounts, with more than half being in paid time"?
That doesnt leave room for trial subs.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
IIRC wasnt the statement along the lines of "all paid for accounts, with more than half being in paid time"?
That doesnt leave room for trial subs.
It isn't tin foil at all and is exactly what they're doing. I would also do the same thing in theior position unless my numbers were so jawdropping there awas no reason to convolute. Their quotes have been "majority" or "vast majority" are paying subs regardless the month in question. Ironically with the same 1.7 million figure. So it is up to interpretation how many above 50% are actually paying subbed customers. Paid accounts and purchasing the game are entirely different as well.
Smart on their end. Annoying as fuck for those debatng how many are actually subbed though.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Or your forgetting they don't have to lie directly. They can lie indirectly !!! Want me to explain???
They can claim to have 1.7 million accounts opened which is not the same thing as active. They are just spinning the words. They can also include in that 1.7 million number : trials of new players (free trial) , people who subbed 3 months like a bunch of noobs without knowing the game, free buddy promotions or keys.
Doesn't mean the game has that many active just that's how many accounts were opened. The real test will come soon when we see the end of the trial and 3 months sub plans. Then you will have a real picture! now it's just PR spin!
Boy that comes across as tin foil.
IIRC wasnt the statement along the lines of "all paid for accounts, with more than half being in paid time"?
That doesnt leave room for trial subs.
Boy you must be naive.
Like WickedJelly, this is exactly what I would do in their position (regardless of whether the game is doing well or not). Hell, im sure nearly everyone here does this to some extent in their own business life. You spin things to sound better than they are or worse, depending on what stance you're taking.
You can bend the truth quite a bit before someone can call you out for lying...
However numbers dont lie. This game has 1.7million subscribers. That makes it at worst, the 3rd most popular MMO (After WoW and Eve). Thats a massive success no matter which way you look at it. The haters on this site are by no means a fair representation of the MMO playing community as a whole.
Anyone that says the 1.7million number is innaccurate doesnt understand coporate liability - If they lie about the subscriber numbers to the shareholders they are commiting a criminal offense. I seriously doubt they are doing that.
And no one would ever fudge numbers or lie to shareholders. Just ask Wall Street
Yeah Enron, those days a re LOOOONG gone, buddy. Nice try though
LMAO you must've missed a bunch of the headlines the last couple of years. Best you get off your MMO and out of the basement and catch up.
What headlines, show me WHERE a corporation blatantly lied to its shareholder recently. BEcause its illegal.
Look up Sarbanes Oxley Act. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, lol headlines? rofl. Do not believe everything you read on the internet.
I work in Wall street. I dont sit around on an MMO all day. How bout you big guy? lol
Bernie Madoff, Wausau, Countrywide, Thornburg Mortgage Execs, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Brian Callahan & Ernst & Young, That was just a quick search. Please ask yourself or the others around you and I am sure they can point out a few more. Maybe literally.
However numbers dont lie. This game has 1.7million subscribers. That makes it at worst, the 3rd most popular MMO (After WoW and Eve). Thats a massive success no matter which way you look at it. The haters on this site are by no means a fair representation of the MMO playing community as a whole.
Anyone that says the 1.7million number is innaccurate doesnt understand corporate liability - If they lie about the subscriber numbers to the shareholders they are commiting a criminal offense. I seriously doubt they are doing that.
Or your forgetting they don't have to lie directly. They can lie indirectly !!! Want me to explain???
They can claim to have 1.7 million accounts opened which is not the same thing as active. They are just spinning the words. They can also include in that 1.7 million number : trials of new players (free trial) , people who subbed 3 months like a bunch of noobs without knowing the game, free buddy promotions or keys.
Doesn't mean the game has that many active just that's how many accounts were opened. The real test will come soon when we see the end of the trial and 3 months sub plans. Then you will have a real picture! now it's just PR spin!
Boy that comes across as tin foil.
IIRC wasnt the statement along the lines of "all paid for accounts, with more than half being in paid time"?
That doesnt leave room for trial subs.
Yeah but they said about and majority.
I don't know about where you work, but in well run companies the billing department knows specfically how many things they have sold that month, week, day or even hour. If the EA COE wanted to be honest he would just make one call and then could say on such and such day we had x,xxx,xxx active subs.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Haters gonna hate. I'm having a great time playing this game. I organized a guild to help new folks see content. I worked with another guild to help them beat hard mode ops and got my rakata consular chest.
Just as or better content as any game in its first 4 months. Guaranteed. Very happy,
However numbers dont lie. This game has 1.7million subscribers. That makes it at worst, the 3rd most popular MMO (After WoW and Eve). Thats a massive success no matter which way you look at it. The haters on this site are by no means a fair representation of the MMO playing community as a whole.
Anyone that says the 1.7million number is innaccurate doesnt understand corporate liability - If they lie about the subscriber numbers to the shareholders they are commiting a criminal offense. I seriously doubt they are doing that.
The number of subscribers isn't the same as the number of people playing. Many of those people might have had 6 months or 3 month subs and have now uninstalled. Of course it had a lot of subs, it was hyped to the max years before release and was eagerly awaited by everyone who plays mmorpgs, my friends and I included, although we like many others have now stopped playing. I'm just glad I realised how poor it was before I did take out a 6 month sub.
As for this board not being representative of the mmo playing community, don't be stupid, plenty on here have been playing mmorpgs since vanilla UO so we have seen it all and we know what we are talking about. The fact that over ten years later Bioware can't get it right is the problem, not our 'hating' (a stupid accusation aimed at anyone with a valid opinion). I doubt many true mmo vets are enjoying SWtoR, it's mostly newcomers and very casual gamers who enjoying single player RPGs but don't seem to mind paying a monthly sub for one.
Me, I wanted SWtoR to be good, I wanted it to be brilliant, but even when I went through character creation and the limitations that has I had an awful feeling... I stuck with it, the combat was enjoyable, but the mob grouping reminded me of STO and after a while the novelty of the VOs got tedius and I was space barring through them. When my Jedi was sent to the dreadful Balmorra in the mid-30s, a planet my Sith had already done in his 20s, I realised I could take no more.
IIlum is so terrible even Bioware are removing it.
Lvl 50 PvP is pointless
LvL 50 Pvp is impossible for a newly reached level 50 player.
None existant customer service
poor maintainence times
numerous friends list bugs
dead planets in reference to people
dead planets in reference to NPC's not ever moving.
No LFG feature
90% of pvp matches will be huttball
horrible UI
pointless professions
bugged professions
bugged class quests
jawa balloon quest is ridiuclous and bugged
unabandonable quests
9+ Players in one WZ team bug
broken economy on servers due to poor price points of purchaesable items
rampant botting
Loot system is locked in, if someone rolls ur class ur screwed
poor textures that we didn't have in beta, they were dumbed down at release because of the game engine.
WZ's dont always count for daily quest STILL
getting stuck in invisible zones in WZs
lack of space content (really? samer thing over and over again?)
a reverse engineering bug that they ignore
trinkets that dont release you from the animation
lack of endgame content
pointless lvl 50 pvp gear
pointless craftables at level 50
Companion bug where everything stops when they return
LAME character creation
Overload of constant "Side Quests" (which are also unabandonable.)
Ships are stale and pointless
excessive loading times
Almost no immersion in the game.
Can't even use chairs
Linear worlds, you are funneled to every segment of all planets
Even open planets are small due to the "exhaustion zones"
Games Laucher causes people problems just about every patch
Does not support CrossFireX or SLI in 2011! WTH!
Virtually no support for ATI GPU's
Forced to watch every cutscene even if you've seen it 100 times if you group. Spacebar to skip is STILL slow as hell.
Despite what all the fanboi's are saying the people are leaving the game. 1.7Mil in january and 1.7 mil in March says Bioware are only sustaining as best, but NOT growing.
And how is the RED highlighted a problem?Just because you're lazy and want everything automatically it doesn't make it a problem.Start socializing or stop playing mmos at all.
I'd really like to like the game. I played at launch, to level 50 (Vanguard trooper) and got bored shortly after.
I realize there IS alot of content in the game, with many class quests and companion quests. But alot of that content is redundant for a person that doesn't want to play "every class". I like to stick to one character, primarily, and there's just not enough for me to do, that isn't ridiculously repetitive.
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Thank you, thats a answer I can live with.
First of all are you talking lvl 50 hm fps? or the ones leveling up? The ones leveling up always where kinna useless, they take too long vs the xp and reward. You level much faster by doing the solo missions/stories (not even taking space combat into the equetion) .
People and companies scamming is nothing new but in general people and companies scam to make money. Not so they have to pay their share holders, or lets say.. Lucas(art) more money. I could be wrong but most people arent trying to have to pay more tax either.
Lets set the record straight right off the bat here ok. You are the one claiming that there are tons of servers out there which are dead, not me. I never dismiss anyones claims, I ask for clarification and proof of thier claims and then I go out and verify them myself. You are making claims, I am asking for the facts so I can verify if you are telling the truth or making shit up. Sure I believe you are making shit up, I'll be honest and up front on that one. I'll go to your server and I'll make an alt there to see if you are in fact on a 'dead server'. If you are, I'll agree that you are, if you are not I'll probably come back here and call you a liar in public. You ok with that?
Oh and my main PvP server is The Fatman, I have characters on 4 other servers as well (2 PvE, one RP-PvP, and one RP-PvE). Not all of them have the same population as the others, some are weak on one side, strong on the other. I play where my guilds are. If you wish you can go make yourself comfortable on The Fatman and check for yourself, I'm sure nobody there would mind having someone new to beat the shit out of every day.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
RIFT
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
Totally agree with op,that is if you only wish to play the first 50 levels and doing the class quest. But when the classquest is finished it is game over for most people. What happens is this extreemle boring gear grind,horribly boring. Would be more fun grinding killing same mobs over and over 50 000 times than those things you are offered in swtor.
I guess ill be seeing you in GW2 then...The wait is almost OVER!
For the sake of the worlds population, I really do hope GW2 turns out to be what so many of you have hopes it will be. I can see a lot of crushed people if it isn't, the hype is beyond off the chart.
Ehh, oh well. If it doesn't turn out so well there is always joining the Occupy movement.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Isn't the Fiscal quarter reports release this week?
No it ends at the end of march, then they need to get all the info together for the year end report. They may do a summary of key figures though earlier.Well both kind of. For me it's mainly the ones levelling up as I'm not 50 yet. But they dried up around mid Feb. Granted for a while I noticed that there were the leveling 50 hm ones going for a while longer but I'm not seeing calls for that anymore in chat.
It's really disheartening seeing what used to be a busy chat channel in the fleet station now barely used. There are a few people who chat, but it's literally the same names.
I think the game is losing players and to a greater extent servers are losing players to the busier servers. I do think they are in a position where they have too many servers for the players they have.
Do I think we'll see server merges or it going f2p within the year? Short answer is, no. EA will make sure of that,
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
Apologies. I read some of your replies as dismissing my own experience of the game and wrongly assumed you would do the same for others. I may have been also misreading your replies to me.
By all means make an alternative on my server but rather than come here and continue to call names, if you do think I'm wrong, then tell me why you think I'm wrong and I'll be happy to debate my points civilly. For instance today there was around 50 people online on the fleet which is the most I've seen in a while, but I still view that as a low number compared to what it used to be. You might see it differently, and if you then that's your prerogative and I can't say you're wrong for having an opinion.
I will roll a toon onyour server to see if it resembles what my server used to be. I doubt I'll stay on it as I really can't face levelling a new character up as I truly do find the story really boring. But image just wait and see if they will allow server transfers at a later date. While I do get a fair few beatings in pvp, I am able to dish out a fewmyself :P
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
This list is meaningless unless compared to other games 'first three month list'.
Care to compare this to Vanguard's list? WAR's list? Heck, even WoW's list?
The OP topic immediately places TOR's list relative to other games on release. The only game that could beat this list, imo, is Rift. So, I disagree with the OP, but only by 1 game.
I took advantage of the free weekend thing, and I am glad I did. Back when Bioware was releasing tid-bits on you-tube, I made the comment, many times, that SW:TOR was an EQ/WoW clone in space. Unfortunately, after the free weekend, I found out that I was right.
This is definitely, not a terrible game, I am just not impressed. I am immersed in EVE, have been for about three years, so levelling is something I did back in the day, I have EVolved.
SW:TOR seems like it should have been made 9 years ago, as it does not bring any new features or eye-catching content. The cutscenes for missions, I think, should be an option, not mandatory. They suck, there is no other way to say it.
Some people may like this travesty to the name of Star Wars, and I am sure GL loves it, because like the second trilo, it sucks. It adds nothing to the SW universe, but the younger generation of SW fans will eat it up, just like that Clone Wars cartoon.
I am not going to buy this game, it simply isn't worth it. o7
Anything new here? Hmmm... Nope. o/
Yea just 1.7 million , Vanguard would kill to have 1.7 million players, no they would kill to have 10,000 players
Or your forgetting they don't have to lie directly. They can lie indirectly !!! Want me to explain???
They can claim to have 1.7 million accounts opened which is not the same thing as active. They are just spinning the words. They can also include in that 1.7 million number : trials of new players (free trial) , people who subbed 3 months like a bunch of noobs without knowing the game, free buddy promotions or keys.
Doesn't mean the game has that many active just that's how many accounts were opened. The real test will come soon when we see the end of the trial and 3 months sub plans. Then you will have a real picture! now it's just PR spin!
I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....
Boy that comes across as tin foil.
IIRC wasnt the statement along the lines of "all paid for accounts, with more than half being in paid time"?
That doesnt leave room for trial subs.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
It isn't tin foil at all and is exactly what they're doing. I would also do the same thing in theior position unless my numbers were so jawdropping there awas no reason to convolute. Their quotes have been "majority" or "vast majority" are paying subs regardless the month in question. Ironically with the same 1.7 million figure. So it is up to interpretation how many above 50% are actually paying subbed customers. Paid accounts and purchasing the game are entirely different as well.
Smart on their end. Annoying as fuck for those debatng how many are actually subbed though.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Boy you must be naive.
Like WickedJelly, this is exactly what I would do in their position (regardless of whether the game is doing well or not). Hell, im sure nearly everyone here does this to some extent in their own business life. You spin things to sound better than they are or worse, depending on what stance you're taking.
You can bend the truth quite a bit before someone can call you out for lying...
Bernie Madoff, Wausau, Countrywide, Thornburg Mortgage Execs, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Brian Callahan & Ernst & Young, That was just a quick search. Please ask yourself or the others around you and I am sure they can point out a few more. Maybe literally.
Yeah but they said about and majority.
I don't know about where you work, but in well run companies the billing department knows specfically how many things they have sold that month, week, day or even hour. If the EA COE wanted to be honest he would just make one call and then could say on such and such day we had x,xxx,xxx active subs.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Haters gonna hate. I'm having a great time playing this game. I organized a guild to help new folks see content. I worked with another guild to help them beat hard mode ops and got my rakata consular chest.
Just as or better content as any game in its first 4 months. Guaranteed. Very happy,
The number of subscribers isn't the same as the number of people playing. Many of those people might have had 6 months or 3 month subs and have now uninstalled. Of course it had a lot of subs, it was hyped to the max years before release and was eagerly awaited by everyone who plays mmorpgs, my friends and I included, although we like many others have now stopped playing. I'm just glad I realised how poor it was before I did take out a 6 month sub.
As for this board not being representative of the mmo playing community, don't be stupid, plenty on here have been playing mmorpgs since vanilla UO so we have seen it all and we know what we are talking about. The fact that over ten years later Bioware can't get it right is the problem, not our 'hating' (a stupid accusation aimed at anyone with a valid opinion). I doubt many true mmo vets are enjoying SWtoR, it's mostly newcomers and very casual gamers who enjoying single player RPGs but don't seem to mind paying a monthly sub for one.
Me, I wanted SWtoR to be good, I wanted it to be brilliant, but even when I went through character creation and the limitations that has I had an awful feeling... I stuck with it, the combat was enjoyable, but the mob grouping reminded me of STO and after a while the novelty of the VOs got tedius and I was space barring through them. When my Jedi was sent to the dreadful Balmorra in the mid-30s, a planet my Sith had already done in his 20s, I realised I could take no more.
The OPs is just a troll he just made a Bs statement about GW2
And how is the RED highlighted a problem?Just because you're lazy and want everything automatically it doesn't make it a problem.Start socializing or stop playing mmos at all.
I'd really like to like the game. I played at launch, to level 50 (Vanguard trooper) and got bored shortly after.
I realize there IS alot of content in the game, with many class quests and companion quests. But alot of that content is redundant for a person that doesn't want to play "every class". I like to stick to one character, primarily, and there's just not enough for me to do, that isn't ridiculously repetitive.