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in what nc soft game was there a p2w cs?
The whole Aion cash shop gem fiasco, for one.
Then there's the XP boosts, character enhancements, etc in city of heroes.
it is their publisher, and I am NOT a fan of NCSoft but they never had P2W while their games were sub based.. I really don't know with them after they went F2P. Also since no other game they are attached to OTHER than GW1 is B2P.. you can't compare them anyways.
All this discussion has turned into "which model is better" instead of discussing of what OP asked.
Well, I don't think you are in a position to force them to do anything. Either buy the game or don't. Those are the choices you have.
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those games are F2P... that is in EVERY(or almost every I am sure there might be 1-2 that dont) F2P game. Also at least in Aion being max lvl actually means something. In GW2 it doesn't really.
NCSoft isn't just the publisher, it's their parent company.
Played aion on and off for 2 years, and they only had vanity items and account services. unles syour talking about the f2p part since then i dont kno... i thought aion did well to not break your pockets as only haveing vanity items and all the content including the expansion was free
People are still complaining about the unfinished cash shop?
I love all the people who post emtpy threats about not trying the game because their personal desired feature isn't in place. 99% of these people will still buy the game as soon as they can.
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Me too. In fact I'd pre order.
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They're all so emotional about this. This should not have generated so much angst. If you got angry or snarky about this thread examine your motivations, something is wrong. What I am asking for wouldn't effect those of you who are ok with p2w one little bit. It would just be an avenue for those of us who loathe the idea to not have to consider it as a possiblity.
Greed is the primary human emotion. It is what has made every economy , and thus society, in human history rise, excel, and eventually fall. Anet is comprised of human beings. I don't care what they did in the past, they have a lot more riding on this title, p2w isn't quite there in the current cs, but the sword of a 1000 truths is coming. Its human nature and its inevitable.
Consider what I am proposing as protection money offered to anet for us to be able to enjoy what seems like a great game without worrying about the eventual possiblity of p2w.
This was mostly a civil discussion, some of you need to back off some of the e-machismo.
Aion fail-proof manastone supplements available in the cash shop
Dated Sept 28, 2011, well before the F2P announcement.
Not true bro, not having flying mounts and payment model are two very different types of features. Plus, it would just be too much for me to have to worry about double gem weekends and sales promos at log in.
guild wars 2; online store adventures. I believe someone put that out there, this is what I want no part of.
Dont want a cash shop? Dont play.
To go half-assed would be foolish. Just look at LOTRO...Turbine is regretting not doing what they did with DDO...a game that does not compare to LOTRO in ANY way yet has far more players and is making far more money.
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I think I'm finally getting the logic of mmorpg.com now. Words like "Cash Shop" and "Microtransaction" instantly mean p2w, f2p garbage. Doesn't matter if the game is out. Doesn't matter if the devs are planning on changing the cash shop items from a leak. Doesn't matter if the devs are willing to have open communication with the player base about it. Cash Shop will always = P2W and theres no changing it. Am I right?
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
You can't read this and feel like Anet really, really "gets it?"
"“Punch number one is that Guild Wars is not that kind of game anyway – Guild Wars is not a grindy game, and Guild Wars is not a game where your success is dependant on whether you have the right gear.
If I’m a player who can play the game a lot and there’s something I want, I don’t need to pay for it. If I’m a player who can’t play the game a lot, but I want things in the game also, I can spend money on microtransactions.”
“The reaction we expect from the world is scepticism. It should be that way because there are a lot of games out there that are doing really dicey things with microtransactions. We hold ourselves to high standards, and as we’ve tested things, we’ve put this stuff in front of our core beta test group and said, ‘you guys should be holding us to [those] high standards.’”
ArenaNet are taking a chance on the fact that convincing players to spend money in-game will be better, in the long run, than coercing them.
“We’re betting our entire company on Guild Wars 2, and so we need to have the relationship with our fans where we’re giving content that people value. If people value the work that we’re doing, then they’re going to pay for the work that we’re doing.”""
Never made it to the US from reading the article, yea it does suck but its a different market. For 2 weeks they sold something that they gave away in the vetern rewards. is subscription pay to win because they got the items for free?
Actually yes, because I believe that's how it has to end even if it doesn't start that way.
It did not release with a fail proof manastone to the very best of my knowledge. If it had I would NOT have ordered it nor played it. I ordered the CE of that game x2 for myself and my son and we had great times. Alas no more. I won't play a cash shop game and to keep the topic on track to this thread, I think ANet has a chance to keep some of it's long standing fanbase with a better compromise then they have offered on a system that until a few weeks ago even people now in favour of a cash shop were denying would ever come about. Be that through word or mouth or misunderstanding the huge following for this game was under the impression this game would release with cosmetic and account services only. Really it's up to ANet. Probably we will be disappointed but at least we have exhausted all avenues of discussion as to a possible alternative. I can imagine some RP'ers might like this sort of server better then one that sells gems for gold which is a rather in your face reminder of the cash shop every time you visit the marketplace in game. ANet I love your artwork, love your games I just really dislike this direction.
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And you're actually buying into this? Mother of god....Fuck speculation. Atleast wait for the damn thing to release.
So you are assuming "guilt" when nothing about Arenanet's past would suggest that "guilt"? We should probably run our legal system this way too. Greed is a primary human emotion, so anyone will steal given the chance. Everyone should be arrested immediately because their morality does not come into play when ruled against a primary human emotion that KingGator says rules everyone. This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have seen here. If you're going to throw a hissy fit over a game, do it when whatever you are crying over actually happens.
They would never split the playerbase this way.
Ok so 3 servers dedicated to a sub with absolute 0 CS items. I honestly wonder how much extra time and money this would take to implement vs the gains it could garner. How much revenue could this option create for the company in say a years time vs how much the lowest CS server creates.
Then factor in the IN GAME consequences. 1- your always up against the same 2 servers in WvWvW. That would mean server balance would have to be watched closely. Over the course of time with the wax and wane of a player base it could get hairy with balance as well. The PVE aspect of it shouldnt change all that much. Cus you can just switch between the other 2 servers to find groups or do whatever.
No thanks. You will come back later and QQ that your three servers are not balanced as there's no server rotation.
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