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Holy shit. I didn't know gw1 went p2w all of the sudden.
Well said.
then everyone is guilty of crimes before crimes have been commited. How about this KingGator, GW1 cash shop. By your logic it is P2W because it is a cash shop. Yet it isn't...
stop comparing this to gw1. The game is a completely different model gameplay-wise, and many don't even consider it a real MMO, which is partially why no one cared.
I am not QQing or angry. I am very calm. I am having a discussion. The only people who are getting emotional about this are on your side of the aisle sir. What is it with people, especially younger people, that causes angst whenever something they believe in is challenged a little bit.
Someone asked about the cost involved, surely it couldn't cost that much, less effort than a weekly patch in most games I would wager.
I'm afraid they already have and not just here. It's the same on other forums especially the fan forums. And I'm not talking about new fans who have only dropped into their game in the hope of some cute minis and cool weapons by rushing through content in another game. I'm talking about die hard long term ANet fans. I don't know why it's ok to so many that those people don't matter either but there you go it is what it is I guess.
the poster formerly known as melangel :P
Unlike those , who will not be named, Anet is willing to listen to it's playerbase.
Lol its time to Minority Report the bad guys and catch them before they do anything wrong
Gw1 was barely an mmo. And they have alot more skin in the game this time around and with that comes economic pressure, and that way lay p2w.
same company same pay style...
I agree
I never understood why Anet never charged a subscription for GW1.
Now that they decided to make more money they chose the wrong payment method........the RMT.
I would gladly pay for a subscription.
I don't get why people want to spend more money.
And why they want a subscription for that, when a cash shop actually allows you to spend more if you really want (though there is nothing that even remotely forces you in GW2).
Also, why would ArenaNet remove the cash shop from servers with subscriptions fees? Other P2P games also feature a cash shop.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
What you're doing there, its called reductio ad absurdum, its regarded as a poor debate technique in general.
doesnt mean that didnt base the Fee's assosiated with gw2 the same way
I think that this argument is just pointless then. You have the P2P fanbois who will see anything not following the P2P as P2W and then you have people who see subscriptions as very bad. I will not bother to explain to you why I hate subscriptions based games and the reason is definitely is not that I can't afford 9 quid a month.
Don't you guys get it. This game will not have a subscription no matter how much you QQ. IF you don't like it, just go play something else.
These threads will change nothing. Because obviously you can't reason with P2P who think that everything else is P2W.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
This is the issue. Everyone here automatically assumes the worst, when ANet has done nothing but right by their player base for ages. Look how much effor they have put into making this game innovative and awesome. If something comes up that is truly game breaking or blatantly play-to-win, I believe they will correct it.
Quite simply, I have faith in them. I personally don't see anything that is especially play-to-win so far. This game has different dynamics at work.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Because i am talking about a quid quo pro here, no one is going to pay a sub and have a cash shop, to make this a commodity they have to eliminate it on a sub server. What I think offends so many people here is that this type of server would rapidly become more popular than the p2w servers.
A lot more 'skin'?
GW1 being considered an MMO or not is high irrelevant. This is the SAME company, with the SAME design philophy, gaming philosophy, and willingness to listen to it's players. Show me proof of how 'being an MMO' magically makes having a CS p2w and i'll retract my statement.
This thread alone (ignoring the dozen or so other threads about this same topic) contains valid, logical reasons, of why flipping out over this issue is very much an overreaction. However.. surprise surprise you guys seem to be more than happy with ignoring nearly all of them.
skin in the game=more resources tied up, more on the line, they';ve said it themselves that they've gambled everything on this. The pressure to succeed almost has to reach a point where p2w becomes the response.
i wasnt debating but making a statement about your opinion of p2w. And i even stated that while a good idea, it just isnt right for ANET to do, they have stated that there completly against the subscription model. if you want to argue what they sell in there cash shop then fine, but to argue that they should do something there completly against because you and some others want them to is absurd.
this is 1 game in thousands of games to play, why ask them to go against there beliefs, instead of finding something already suited for you?
Don't do it Anet!
I like CS in GW1 and it works fine for me. I am liking what you're doing for GW2 (I hate subs). Keep things free FTW!
You'd think they would change.
Thats because you think p2w will equal more money for them, and thats simply not true. as i stated earlier 10,000 people that likes pay to win spending 50 dollars amonth doesnt equal a million people that dont like p2w spending 5 dollars a month
Don't flatter yourself, you're just in a different herd.