no matter now, ive re-jigged my selection by cutting cost on the case and all this pre modded crap with neons to a stylish chieftec dragon case in a plum colour and i can just about afford 1gig ram and amd64
Always been a fan of the brand, and newegg dropping this one on sale didn't hurt the decision at all.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Originally posted by Kunou Very nice, and yeah, I decided against all the windows and neons and other unnecessary "showy" crap and went with this case: CLICKIE HERE Always been a fan of the brand, and newegg dropping this one on sale didn't hurt the decision at all.
I'm all for the big lights and flashy colours . I'm not overclocking the PC so i'm not too worried about getting the best cooling case.
Thats a nice case, but not for me. I'll be running the 6800 Ultra, and prolly overclocking, so performance more important than looks for me. Also my home office is in my bedroom, so the last thing I really want is a buncha neon and strobbing lights and such while I'm trying to sleep. God I couldn't imagine if I had all that on all 3 of my computers, be like a damn disco in my bedroom/office.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
i like the coolermaster case, very nice, stylish and understated.
Aye, their cases are always rated very high, and I'm definitely more interested in performance than appearance. I've been through my "showoff" phase where I cared more about how it looked than how it worked, but I'm old now. Not saying a case can't look like Rathma's and not have high performace, just not for me.
And like yer new Sig Coraith, yer old one was a lil big for my tastes.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
I currenty have the X DREAMER II the black one and its a great case i put 2 extra 80mm fans and the thing is a cooling beast now with a AMD 3200+ and got a 9800 pro video card 128mb with a Arctic Cooling VGA silencer and it still stays real cool.
i like the coolermaster case, very nice, stylish and understated.
Aye, their cases are always rated very high, and I'm definitely more interested in performance than appearance. I've been through my "showoff" phase where I cared more about how it looked than how it worked, but I'm old now. Not saying a case can't look like Rathma's and not have high performace, just not for me.
And like yer new Sig Coraith, yer old one was a lil big for my tastes.
Yeah i'm still in the "Showoff" phase. To me, a computer is like a car. Sure, i put alot of nice stuff under the hood, but i still want it to look nice when i'm crusing down the high way (Or in this case, showing it off at a LAN party.)
I still am trying to put in some nice fans and stuff to cool it down, just incase i have the urge to OC the X800 Pro if it happens to get slow FPS rates on EQ2.
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
No doubth man, i like the cool apperance also too and love to show off my computer and just like u im a EQ2 addict so always good to have something in ur computer that is not for apperance only its for performance. Cause ill tell u this even the X800 is not gonna be running EQ2 perfect.
Well enough said all ur cases look great and i HOpe ur planning on using those monster computers to play EQ2 for sure.
i like the coolermaster case, very nice, stylish and understated.
Aye, their cases are always rated very high, and I'm definitely more interested in performance than appearance. I've been through my "showoff" phase where I cared more about how it looked than how it worked, but I'm old now. Not saying a case can't look like Rathma's and not have high performace, just not for me.
And like yer new Sig Coraith, yer old one was a lil big for my tastes.
I have too gone through that stage, and i also like my new sig. its cool
Hey guys. I'm a first time poster here, but a long time PC gamer and computer nut since wolfenstien, and been playing EQ since release. I've been over here in Iraq with US Army for the past 6 months, but when I get back at the end of the year I am going to drop a big chunk of cash on computer to play the next gen games (EQ2, Doom3, etc.). I have most everything decided so far, but I have a couple of questions about some stuff and was hoping that you guys could give me your input/suggestions for optimal framerates since you guys seem to know quite a bit. Hard drive: 2x 80gigs Raid-0 / 1x 74gig Raptor / or 2 74gig Raptors Raid-0? I want to do the 2x 80's because it is cheaper, but was wondering if the 74 Raptor will make a performance boost? If the 2x Raptors will increase it even further, are they worth the money? If it is, I will gladly buy them. Give me tips if you got any. Memory: Planning on getting 1gig of either Corsair XMS or OCZ (prob Corsair), but my question is will 2gig of memory increase performance enough to warrant the price of another 2 sticks of 512 to drop into the computer. I think EQ2 might need it, but I'm not sure if it will increase performance that much. Again, any tips if you got any. Monitor: 21" or 22" CRT. Lots of sites say different stuff for the best one, but it is hard to tell who to believe. If any of you have any experience with big monitors, let me know your suggestions. Thanks for your time guys.
All you need to add to that is a next gen graphics card (x800 or 6800 - its down to preferance) and a nice case, i recommend Chieftec as they are rock solid and cant be beat on build quality, their cases will last you for years.
Id go for a CRT monitor if your looking to play games, you can get a very decent 19" CRT for the price of a semi decent 15" tft which will almost certainly have ghosting.
And also good luck doing whatever your doing in Iraq hope it goes well
if u really have the major cash just buy ur self a nice ALienware with liquid cooling and u will be happy for another 4 years lol if u want to build ur own just tell us and we will help u make a bad ass system for u man.
And good luck there in the war, come back safe to play some EQ2 man.
Originally posted by MurtBijani to be honest rathma...the NZT Guardian plain and flat out sucks (i know i don't have it..but hear me out, i was about to get one) the cpu heatsink fan leads RIGHT outside the case from a window, thus explaining if you have a different mobo, you're kinda screwed the powersupply is all up in the motherboard... (not literally) but it's really close I would go with something else..it would really make a difference over the "smart" light
Yeah i haven't bought it yet.. And i probably won't plan on it either.. I'll end up getting a reliable clear sided case.. So it will not overheat, and later on i could probably add in a few LCD's
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
Originally posted by kptone if u really have the major cash just buy ur self a nice ALienware with liquid cooling and u will be happy for another 4 years lol if u want to build ur own just tell us and we will help u make a bad ass system for u man. And good luck there in the war, come back safe to play some EQ2 man.
AHHHH! Stop stop stop! Alienware is overpriced shite! anyone who knows anything about the cost of building a computer will know that. If you want water cooling it doesnt cost you a couple of K to put it in, it can be quite enjoyable to fit it and you dont have to pay LOTS of money for them to do it.
Thats true its overpriced but if the guy wants a killer machine and doesnt want to build one and has the major cash he should get the Alienware if not he should build it part by part which will be cheaper and more of what u like in it. Its his choise.
If he doesnt like to build he should get the ALienware is all im saying.
I hereby decree that the company known as "Alienware" will thus be stricken from the record and the use of that name hereby outlawed. It will be referenced to solely as THAT COMPANY.
Seriously, there's enough knowledge here to NOT recommend THAT COMPANY to frequenters of this thread. Not only that, but it's a crime against humanity to even SUGGEST that to someone who has come to us for HELP! We might as well recommend DELLS!
If he wants to buy a system, THAT COMPANY is not the way to go. Let us point him to something slightly worth more for the money.
One thing I know when helping people choosing PC parts is you can't be biased...not saying that you completely were though.
Also rabid are you really going to pay 500 DOLLARS FOR A VIDEO CARD!! PLus the Hardrive...dude get two 80gigs and raid. Nice and simple maybe a sata drives to..but whypay for the 10,000rpms
I see this as ridiculous sure it is your money..I mean if you want to spend that much on those parts and getting close why not save more and get all the new stuff when it releases...
Ah yes and my new PC specs...might as well post..
Case: Lian Li-607b Monitor: optiquest 19inch - 17inch viewsonic Ram: 1 gig corsair 512mb PC3200 XMS dual turned on Mobo: ASUS A7n8x pro CPU: AMD XP 2500+ w/barton core PSU: Thermaltake Black silent PSU 480watt Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy pro 2 GFX Card: Gainward GeForce FX 256mb 5600 Drives: Floppy, Sony DVD-Cdrw 16x-52x
So yeah that is my PC Specs plane to get a gfx card most likely ati x800 series and in 2005'ish make a new PC 64-bit and all the new goodness, and make this one file server bitch 2.
I just got back from a trip this weekend to see my dad and grand father for father's day and read over the threads.
Gun, I've gotten several suggestions on other forums, as well, on going with a different hard drive set up than the Seagate 10,000RPM so I'll probably take your suggestions and other's on that particular piece of hardware. I did look at some test results, and the difference in performance on that Seagate is not enough for me to warrent paying that price.
Now, I'm not sure on what vid card to get. I've read more on the cards, and nVidia will probably win out on performance on games coming out this fall and winter. I still like that Gigabyte ATI X800 card though.
I agree with Gun, as well, that it is best to be unbiased when giving advice on computer building and modding. What may work for Gun or me, may not work for someone else. It just depends on what games they will be playing and how they will use their pc.
Ty for the advice so far everyone. I'll update my system to be built specs soon.
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Does anyone have any suggestions for someone who wants to buy the best gaming performance system (mostly for games like EQ2) without going over $2000 ?
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
Hmm.. I was able to build this system for 2,200... It was probably American money though.
[939-pin] AMD® Athlon-64 3800+ CPU w/ Hyper Transport Technology
[939-pin] Asus A8V-Deluxe w/LAN, 7.1 Sound, IEEE-1394, USB 2.0 8x AGP Motherboard
1024 MB [512MB X2] DDR-400 PC3200 Memory Module
ATI Radeon X800 Pro 256MB
160 GB HARD DRIVES Western Digital 160 GB 7200 RPM Ultra ATA-100 2MB Cache Hard Drive
Any good?
Looks good, tho I'm going on the assumption that this is actually an upgrade not a build and is going in an existing case which has all the other parts (drives and fans and cables and the case etc) that aren't listed...
EDIT: How much is that HDD? If you click HERE you can fine several 160gb SATA 7200 HDDs with an 8mb buffer instead of 2mb, prices ranging from $99-$118...
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
LG CD Burner 52x24x52x CD-RW Nero Software White Box $63.99
Diablo ATX Mid-Tower Case with 450Watt Power Supply, Front Neon Lights, Front USB and Audio Ports
$70.99
Asus - K8V Deluxe - Socket 754 ATX Motherboard with Audio, AGP8X, SPDIF, USB 2.0, FireWire, RAID, Serial ATA, WOR, WOL, Scalable HyperTransport, and Gigabit LAN Support
$194.99
Western Digital Raptor 74GB Serial ATA 10K 8MB S-ATA-150 Hard Drive
$354.99
Ultra 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory
$279.94
PNY Verto GeForce FX 5900 Video Card 128MB AGP 8X TV Out & DVI
$312.99
NEC FE771SB-BK 17" 0.25mm Black AG Flat CRT Monitor
$227.97
Inland USB Keyboard With 2 port USB Hub
$28.99
A4Tech U-Shape USB PS2 Silver Optical Wheel Mouse
$17.99
Cyber Acoustics CA-4400 Black 5-Piece Surround Sound Speaker System
$42.99
Total: $1,993.82 Canadian dollars or 1,460.68 USD
I put the Faces where there should be hard returns but windows 64 is acting up... again
Im not really sure the 939 pin chips are winning the price VS preformance battle. But if you want to upgrade past a 64 3700 in the next year or 2 i guess that your only choice. I built this as a complete system but you can take out the monotor and stuff and add windows XP, i dont think you want to mess with win 64 just yet. Also if your talking US dollars add the 256 card.
Zim, head over to www.newegg.com and double check your prices. I know the processor alone is $18 USD cheaper. Looks pretty solid though...might wanna add in another stick of 512mb RAM, although for what you're paying you can toss the RAM out altogether and just go with a gig stick.
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Guys id like to tell you that im going to be starting a business soon selling computers. Im still deciding on my orientation. I might go for selling very nice computers for cheap prices which is easily done and there is a profit to be had. I was also considering selling components but maybe not straight away as business starts. I think ill add components bit by bit. This business should be operating by september when ive had a chance to learn php properly. Id like you guys to be involved in some way becuase you all know your shit and its good to have knowledge . I will be selling in the UK but i may ship worldwide if there is demand, I would definatly be challenging cyberpower on prices, id probably go cheaper than them.
Anyways just notifying you, if anyone would like to help in any way shape or form it would be welcomed. Oh and we'd definatly be better than THAT COMPANY ()
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no matter now, ive re-jigged my selection by cutting cost on the case and all this pre modded crap with neons to a stylish chieftec dragon case in a plum colour and i can just about afford 1gig ram and amd64
case: http://store4.yimg.com/I/xoxide_1797_17010805 looks very swish wouldnt you say?
Very nice, and yeah, I decided against all the windows and neons and other unnecessary "showy" crap and went with this case:
CLICKIE HERE
Always been a fan of the brand, and newegg dropping this one on sale didn't hurt the decision at all.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Wow, I did about the opposite... (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=711995&Sku=A451-3004)
I'm all for the big lights and flashy colours
. I'm not overclocking the PC so i'm not too worried about getting the best cooling case.
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
Thats a nice case, but not for me. I'll be running the 6800 Ultra, and prolly overclocking, so performance more important than looks for me. Also my home office is in my bedroom, so the last thing I really want is a buncha neon and strobbing lights and such while I'm trying to sleep.
God I couldn't imagine if I had all that on all 3 of my computers, be like a damn disco in my bedroom/office. 
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
i like the coolermaster case, very nice, stylish and understated.
as for rathma's case;
Aye, their cases are always rated very high, and I'm definitely more interested in performance than appearance. I've been through my "showoff" phase where I cared more about how it looked than how it worked, but I'm old now.
Not saying a case can't look like Rathma's and not have high performace, just not for me.
And like yer new Sig Coraith, yer old one was a lil big for my tastes.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
nice guys those both cases are real nice.
I currenty have the X DREAMER II the black one and its a great case i put 2 extra 80mm fans and the thing is a cooling beast now with a AMD 3200+ and got a 9800 pro video card 128mb with a Arctic Cooling VGA silencer and it still stays real cool.
Aye, their cases are always rated very high, and I'm definitely more interested in performance than appearance. I've been through my "showoff" phase where I cared more about how it looked than how it worked, but I'm old now.
Not saying a case can't look like Rathma's and not have high performace, just not for me.
And like yer new Sig Coraith, yer old one was a lil big for my tastes.
Yeah i'm still in the "Showoff" phase. To me, a computer is like a car. Sure, i put alot of nice stuff under the hood, but i still want it to look nice when i'm crusing down the high way (Or in this case, showing it off at a LAN party.)
I still am trying to put in some nice fans and stuff to cool it down, just incase i have the urge to OC the X800 Pro if it happens to get slow FPS rates on EQ2.
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
No doubth man, i like the cool apperance also too and love to show off my computer and just like u im a EQ2 addict so always good to have something in ur computer that is not for apperance only its for performance. Cause ill tell u this even the X800 is not gonna be running EQ2 perfect.
Well enough said all ur cases look great and i HOpe ur planning on using those monster computers to play EQ2 for sure.
Aye, their cases are always rated very high, and I'm definitely more interested in performance than appearance. I've been through my "showoff" phase where I cared more about how it looked than how it worked, but I'm old now.
Not saying a case can't look like Rathma's and not have high performace, just not for me.
And like yer new Sig Coraith, yer old one was a lil big for my tastes.
I have too gone through that stage, and i also like my new sig. its cool
to be honest rathma...the NZT Guardian plain and flat out sucks
(i know i don't have it..but hear me out, i was about to get one)
the cpu heatsink fan leads RIGHT outside the case from a window, thus explaining if you have a different mobo, you're kinda screwed
the powersupply is all up in the motherboard... (not literally)
but it's really close
I would go with something else..it would really make a difference over the "smart" light
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Hey guys. I'm a first time poster here, but a long time PC gamer and computer nut since wolfenstien, and been playing EQ since release. I've been over here in Iraq with US Army for the past 6 months, but when I get back at the end of the year I am going to drop a big chunk of cash on computer to play the next gen games (EQ2, Doom3, etc.). I have most everything decided so far, but I have a couple of questions about some stuff and was hoping that you guys could give me your input/suggestions for optimal framerates since you guys seem to know quite a bit.
Hard drive: 2x 80gigs Raid-0 / 1x 74gig Raptor / or 2 74gig Raptors Raid-0? I want to do the 2x 80's because it is cheaper, but was wondering if the 74 Raptor will make a performance boost? If the 2x Raptors will increase it even further, are they worth the money? If it is, I will gladly buy them. Give me tips if you got any.
Memory: Planning on getting 1gig of either Corsair XMS or OCZ (prob Corsair), but my question is will 2gig of memory increase performance enough to warrant the price of another 2 sticks of 512 to drop into the computer. I think EQ2 might need it, but I'm not sure if it will increase performance that much. Again, any tips if you got any.
Monitor: 21" or 22" CRT. Lots of sites say different stuff for the best one, but it is hard to tell who to believe. If any of you have any experience with big monitors, let me know your suggestions.
Thanks for your time guys.
-Spc. Thiele
-SPC. Thiele U.S. Army
Sounson Slickk - EQ
All you need to add to that is a next gen graphics card (x800 or 6800 - its down to preferance) and a nice case, i recommend Chieftec as they are rock solid and cant be beat on build quality, their cases will last you for years.
Id go for a CRT monitor if your looking to play games, you can get a very decent 19" CRT for the price of a semi decent 15" tft which will almost certainly have ghosting.
And also good luck doing whatever your doing in Iraq hope it goes well
if u really have the major cash just buy ur self a nice ALienware with liquid cooling and u will be happy for another 4 years lol if u want to build ur own just tell us and we will help u make a bad ass system for u man.
And good luck there in the war, come back safe to play some EQ2 man.
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
Thats true its overpriced but if the guy wants a killer machine and doesnt want to build one and has the major cash he should get the Alienware if not he should build it part by part which will be cheaper and more of what u like in it. Its his choise.
If he doesnt like to build he should get the ALienware is all im saying.
I hereby decree that the company known as "Alienware" will thus be stricken from the record and the use of that name hereby outlawed. It will be referenced to solely as THAT COMPANY.
Seriously, there's enough knowledge here to NOT recommend THAT COMPANY to frequenters of this thread. Not only that, but it's a crime against humanity to even SUGGEST that to someone who has come to us for HELP! We might as well recommend DELLS!
If he wants to buy a system, THAT COMPANY is not the way to go. Let us point him to something slightly worth more for the money.
www.ibuypower.com
www.cyberpowerpc.com
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Hey Gun and everyone.
I just got back from a trip this weekend to see my dad and grand father for father's day and read over the threads.
Gun, I've gotten several suggestions on other forums, as well, on going with a different hard drive set up than the Seagate 10,000RPM so I'll probably take your suggestions and other's on that particular piece of hardware. I did look at some test results, and the difference in performance on that Seagate is not enough for me to warrent paying that price.
Now, I'm not sure on what vid card to get. I've read more on the cards, and nVidia will probably win out on performance on games coming out this fall and winter. I still like that Gigabyte ATI X800 card though.
I agree with Gun, as well, that it is best to be unbiased when giving advice on computer building and modding. What may work for Gun or me, may not work for someone else. It just depends on what games they will be playing and how they will use their pc.
Ty for the advice so far everyone. I'll update my system to be built specs soon.
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Does anyone have any suggestions for someone who wants to buy the best gaming performance system (mostly for games like EQ2) without going over $2000 ?
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
Hmm.. I was able to build this system for 2,200... It was probably American money though.
[939-pin] AMD® Athlon-64 3800+ CPU w/ Hyper Transport Technology
[939-pin] Asus A8V-Deluxe w/LAN, 7.1 Sound, IEEE-1394, USB 2.0 8x AGP Motherboard
1024 MB [512MB X2] DDR-400 PC3200 Memory Module
ATI Radeon X800 Pro 256MB
160 GB HARD DRIVES Western Digital 160 GB 7200 RPM Ultra ATA-100 2MB Cache Hard Drive
Any good?
NVidia - The way it is meant to be played
ATI - The way it really plays, if it's working....
Looks good, tho I'm going on the assumption that this is actually an upgrade not a build and is going in an existing case which has all the other parts (drives and fans and cables and the case etc) that aren't listed...
EDIT: How much is that HDD? If you click HERE you can fine several 160gb SATA 7200 HDDs with an 8mb buffer instead of 2mb, prices ranging from $99-$118...
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 1MB Cache 1600MHz FSB Socket 754 Processor $397.99
LG CD Burner 52x24x52x CD-RW Nero Software White Box $63.99
Diablo ATX Mid-Tower Case with 450Watt Power Supply, Front Neon Lights, Front USB and Audio Ports
$70.99
Asus - K8V Deluxe - Socket 754 ATX Motherboard with Audio, AGP8X, SPDIF, USB 2.0, FireWire, RAID, Serial ATA, WOR, WOL, Scalable HyperTransport, and Gigabit LAN Support
$194.99
Western Digital Raptor 74GB Serial ATA 10K 8MB S-ATA-150 Hard Drive
$354.99
Ultra 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory
$279.94
PNY Verto GeForce FX 5900 Video Card 128MB AGP 8X TV Out & DVI
$312.99
NEC FE771SB-BK 17" 0.25mm Black AG Flat CRT Monitor
$227.97
Inland USB Keyboard With 2 port USB Hub
$28.99
A4Tech U-Shape USB PS2 Silver Optical Wheel Mouse
$17.99
Cyber Acoustics CA-4400 Black 5-Piece Surround Sound Speaker System
$42.99
Total: $1,993.82 Canadian dollars or 1,460.68 USD
I put the Faces where there should be hard returns but windows 64 is acting up... again
Im not really sure the 939 pin chips are winning the price VS preformance battle. But if you want to upgrade past a 64 3700 in the next year or 2 i guess that your only choice. I built this as a complete system but you can take out the monotor and stuff and add windows XP, i dont think you want to mess with win 64 just yet. Also if your talking US dollars add the 256 card.
u can find all this stuff at www.tigerdirect.ca
Sooo buggy...
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Guys id like to tell you that im going to be starting a business soon selling computers. Im still deciding on my orientation. I might go for selling very nice computers for cheap prices which is easily done and there is a profit to be had. I was also considering selling components but maybe not straight away as business starts. I think ill add components bit by bit. This business should be operating by september when ive had a chance to learn php properly. Id like you guys to be involved in some way becuase you all know your shit and its good to have knowledge
. I will be selling in the UK but i may ship worldwide if there is demand, I would definatly be challenging cyberpower on prices, id probably go cheaper than them.
Anyways just notifying you, if anyone would like to help in any way shape or form it would be welcomed. Oh and we'd definatly be better than THAT COMPANY (
)