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This is the funny thing about this type of thread I mean if you read the op's points, he's really saying the same thing you are, it's just how you look at these things that really matters. All three of his points really apply to most themepark MMO's. ;-(aside from the dodge aspect of course)-;
The only fact I can see in this whole thing really is that the OP clearly thinks these are bad things in a game, he's essentially trying to argue on the basis of preference, it's just going to be a redundant merry-go-round, most likely to his own benefit (he's bored).
Note this is more aimed at the OP;s post than your own, which was a well written point by point rebuttal, and I agree with you over the OP. It's just all he's going to do is say why all of these things are bad, which really only has any bearing for himself.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Someone needs to learn up on what Dynamic Events actually are. OP is clearly thinking of the Renown events.
I doubt most people really have experienced the DE's, due primarily to an already established MMO mindset. We're use to completing one thing then hurrying on to the next, darting in a straight line for the end.
In the stress test, I made sure to slow down, to find the actual DE's, and it was really really cool to see them branch out. I also like that Anet's stated they'll add DE's without including it in patch notes post-release. So you could literally stumble upon something no one else has seen. At level 5.
theres a difference between being able to target with mouse or tab target.and being able to use it good
you can mouse target in swtor,but i find it to be horrible,i know you dont have to target people in guild wars 2.but is the mouse targeting in the game at least good
and most people only tryed lvl1-15 DE
actualy your wrong here, he is by his very words ignoring and miss stating things, he continualy denys that you can fire a projectile without tab targeting (except ala aoe ground targets) an have it hit. he is trying to spread mis information.
normaly i find your posts reasonable, but lately they have been getting slanted (grain of sand or two added to one side) toward defending people who come in spreading misimformation. based on how u usualy post, i just think you dont want to see that a good portion of these people are actualy trying to spread lies etc. i understand the wish to be nuetral but... there comes a point where trying to remain nuetral you start to see things a bit wrong (a pit ive fallen into enough times that i notice it when im doing it most of the time now).
Disclaimer: people who try to make GW2 look like something it isnt, whether it be to make it look better or worse are both just as wrong in my opinion
You don't necessarily mouse target either. Spells merely shoot in the direction of your camera, and will hit the first object in that path up until max range. Since you most likely move with a mouse, it's can be considered mouse targeting. However, you have nothing on your screen indicating who you want to aim at.
Is it as good as a game specifically design for mouse targeting a la TERA? No it is not. However, is it still a viable option? Yes it is. In fact, sometimes I found myself just casting and without bothering to target.
This was an interesting read. I always wonder what the mindset is on threads like this. Is the op trying to save people from this game? His facts are iffy and have been disected and corrected many of times in this thread.. yet he keeps going as if he thinks we are all going to stop and agree with him. I THINK what he wants is a sandbox mmo. Just get the feeling he is jaded and wants some thing very specific in an mmo. From what other have pointed out, he does this on ALOT of threads for almost all new games.
Here is a hint.. if you want a game with all the features you want in it, learn to program. You can rent the hero engine pretty cheap I hear. Granted, it might not be able to do what you want it to, but gotta work with what you got.
In the mean time, there are many more productive hobbies then trying to "save" us from GW2.
I was actually saying what you are just in a less overt way. My point is he doesn't seem to want an actual discussion he will just take everyone in circles around these facts "that mean a bad game"...
Reason 1 The "facts" post above
Reason 2. responses like "so you agree GW2 does have simple tab target mechanics with a "dodge" gimmick"?
reason 3. Saying things like "blinded by fanboyism."
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
OP isn't trying to express an opinion. He's claiming his fallacies are facts, even though he's regurgitated them many times in the past and been demonstrably shown to be lying over and over again.
OP is entitled to his own opinion. He's not entitled to his own facts.
Oderint, dum metuant.
HAHA - if none of us had played GW2 beta we might be slightly worried at your post, BUT since we have and most who have are super excited for this game to be out already because it rocks!
OP - your post is full of points that are factually incorrect... and becasue of that your post is garbage...
Give it a rest, when every other game on these forums is trolled (often by fans of this game). I don't think he's trying to save anyone any more than the GW2 fans who rag on anything that isn't GW2 when they express their opinions on games they have no interest in.
Just be glad he is in the minority with his summation of GW2 and move on to one of those hobbies yourself until the launch or next beta weekend.
Here's the thing about the tab targeting mess. The answer that "you don't have to tab target" doesn't cut it. To opponents of tab tageting, having it as an option removes much of the challenge from the game, since you just hit whatever you target regardless. So it doesn't matter that you can choose NOT to tab target, to someone like that.
However, tab targeting is not the same as auto-lock, something MANY players don't realize. Mostly since most games that do one do the other.
I'll agree with the rest though. While a proponent of the game, I try to see both sides, but I also try to stomp out misinformation on either side as I come but it.
His opinion shapes how he see the facts. The title of the thread is entirely opinion. This is an opinion piece dispite the OP's inability to express himself logically and with insight.
You stay sassy!
I just want to point out I was referring to his basic list of facts that are truths borken down to their barest form (only to attempt to say the game is bad due to these thinsg or "just more of the same"). I wasn't referring to his OP. Where he tried to explain a game he hasn't played.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I fully support the OP in his choice to hate GW2 and wish him well in whatever game he thinks is actually worth playing.
Where did OP go? Some people have posted actual counterpoints and he ignores them. I would like to see him refute bookworm and atziluth's post/s.
He also 1. Doesn't realize you don't need to tab target, and that tab targetting doesn't guarantee a hit even without dodge...
2. Doesn't understand what makes dynamic events dynamic. (The quick tongue in cheek but partly true answer? Because that's their name. Sort of like how 'quests' are 'quests' because they're named that, not because they're like throwing the one Ring into Mt. Doom)
3. Isn't the target audience for the game.
Of course, people are basically responding to him with a 'fuck you' attitude because they're fully aware of 3, and realize he's not here to start a meaningful discussion, he's just here to stir stuff up (No. Really.), BUT what they don't realize is that when you're writing a response to somebody like that, you're not writing it for that person.
Anybody writing to try and convince BishBosh is wasting their time (... and they do realize that), but what they AREN'T thinking about, is that responses should be written to convince people sitting on the fence who read his post and are thinking 'Oh, this sounds like a reasonable, insightful young fellow. Nobody is giving a meaningful response to him, so perhaps there are no actual answers'. All responses to people you disagree with should generally be written as if targetted towards a neutral third party, not towards the person you're actually responding to.
Probably cut down on the flaming a lot here. I've been debating writing a Netiquette guide for GW2 fans, explaining how as a whole, the MMORPG GW2 community could present itself a lot better, along with example talking points so there could be a more unified, politer front, so people wandering over basically go 'Oh crap, they're super polite and reasonable, talk about a great community'.
Except that sounds like work. Stupid effort. Too busy working and doing various hobby stuff to actually put forth the effort it'd take to try and make tthe GW2 fans sound super reasonable and suave. (Sometimes they do sound that way! I think they just need better responses to when they're starting to feel like they're being trolled. Don't respond to the troll, respond to the neutral third party. Make it sound classy. Getting frustrated only makes the trolls happy and the moderators work harder)
OMG +......uhh what's the max limit on points given?
uhm no thats wrong it DOES NOT MAKE YOU HIT THE TARGET REGARDLESS (caps for emphasis not yelling), the projectiles do not home (with the exception of a Beam like an arc of electricity i think and ive only seen 2 attacks like that one was a mesmer energy blast thing) . having a target only highlights and fires your projectile in their direction (not sure if it works while turned completely away from them).
they can still run out of the path of the projectile, which sort of cancels out most of your problem. targeting like that can also make things more difficult since there are HITBOXES in this game.
as for distopia, oh im sorry then i guess i just didnt understand what you were saying, my apologies.
DISCLAIMERL: My Caps are all for emphasis not yelling
Certain slow moving staff projectile semi-home. One easy one to discuss is the necro auto attack that looks like a hand. It will cruve towards things.
Its still not auto hit no matter what like LOTRO or WoW. But its not a straight shot the way an arrow or bullet is. It just does not move fast enough to curve the way it would need to in order to hit anything targetted and its degree of curvature is somehow limited.
There are a few different classes of behavior.
a) straight shot, ie. arrows and bullets and some staff attacks
b) semi-homing, a small number of staff attacks almost always the auto attack (necro and mesmer staves)
c) instant auto-hit beams, mesmer GS auto attack and certain lightning moves (only 2 I can think of)
Even the Mesmer greatsword attack where you stab the sword into the ground and an illusory sword pops out of the ground at you target's feet can miss if they are moving fast enough or get knocked away from it.
So I take it I won't be seeing you in game in Guild Wars 2, OP? That's a shame. Well good luck finding a game you enjoy.
I played the beta weekend and did not touch the tab key once, someone please tell me how did I...
PLAY!?!?
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I use the logitec G13 Advanced Gameboard and usually in almost all mmorpgs I use the G15 key on the gameboard for tab. Well, for GW2 I changed that button and made it my space bar (jump) and didin't have a tab at all and played for about 4 hours the last stress test. You don't need a tab key at all.
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Not really. TOR had a ton of negativity from beta players. It got abysmal Metacritic scores, right no launch day. Fans of the game might not have noticed, but the negativity about this game is trivial in comparison.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I corrected your facts... Telling part of the truth with the intention of misleading is as dishonest as telling an outright lie. Lying by omission is still lying. I mostly lurk, but your intellectual dishonesty disturbs me.
Nonsense. Facts are. Period. Facts are observable, testable pieces of data. He's claiming something else as facts instead of using the actual data. He's not allowed his own facts. That's all there is to it.
Oderint, dum metuant.