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Talketzanto
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Let me start off by saying im looking forward to a skill based game. No more hearing "you suck baddie, your geared out". But I was wondering how the unskilled population (probably 35%) would take the game.
Now everyone has been in a guild where you got a few unskilled players (downright horrible) in the guild at pvp. Of course you would never say that to them or hurt there feelings but you still think it. Well alot of them can still be commited to the game and work hard to get gear because they really want to be better but unfortunatly you can only learn so much "skill" the rest is pretty much flat out talent for games. I feel like it does hurt those players alot because they are kinda stuck in that no mans land. At least if they got gear they could become almost average and contribute to a team and feel like they arn't as bad as they are (kinda a false sense of acheivement) but its going to be hard for them if they have no way getting better.
Whats everyone's thoughts on this? Will it force the "unskilled" players out of the game?
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i would take unskilled nice to talk to players anyday over the so called elite trash that tells everybody they suck. or talk trash all day even when they die like the person who killed them still sucks because he didnt kill them the right way or somthing.
i have seen so much of it anymore that it makes me sick of communities pretty quickly, I call it the wow factor. everytime i see one of these idiots i just for some reason label them wow players.
i think the fact that there is so little moves on your hotbar will help to makeup for the lack of skill some of these people have. Even with the new gameplay mechanics.
I think it will take the excuse of "its all about gear" from the unskilled players which is so common in the other MMOs. They will find that they still suck even though there is no gear advantage in GW2.
If you suck in a game with gear, you will suck in a game without it. The gear difference is NOT as extreme as the feebs make it out to be. I never had a problem competing in any PVP even with a newly geared character. I never once complained because I was undergeared because you just need to play smarter and pick your battles better. It's called skill.
Fail player is fail in any game.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
on PvE or WvW unskilled player still will have lot of fun, on sPvP will be much more hard.
they stil can make a party with unskilled players and all have fun, obvious if someone join a random server full of skilled players obvious will not be much fun, unless they like die and die. tournaments for unskilled players is a big NO, maybe will be OK in the release date but after 1-2month unskilled players/team will not b able to do much on tournaments
sPvP / WvW / PvE ....lot of choices for everyone tastes.
I think the focus on pure skill, taking the spotlight out of the gear grind, will stimulate most people to get better or to try different classes, more suitable to their aptitude.
I also think even unskilled gamers will have fun with the game, and can contribute adequately in certain scenarios.
That does not make any sense to me.
It would only make sense if bad players for some reason always get better gear than the more skilled players but both can get the same gear so in the end the skilled player will always win and the unskilled player will always be obvious.
And who in his right mind would judge a pvp fight if the difference in gear is the deciding factor anyway at some point the good players ( and i would even say the good players get there equipment faster) will have caught up with the gear and dominate the unskilled ones.
So in GW2 you don't have to catch up but the result is the same anyway.
I am a skilled gamer that just does not care anymore.
When I first started playing games I wanted to be the best, I honed my skills and played at the top in my chosen FPS and 3PS games. Then I moved on to MMO's at first I just loved the online worlds, then I realised I could be good at this too. I started to take WoW way too seriously, wanted to do my best in every role in raids and be an effective PvP'er.
Now I am approaching 30 years old and I don't care anymore, I sit on the couch with my laptop and I keyboard turn, if that means my team lose then tough shit. I sit at a desk all day at work so I sure as hell won't be spending all my spare time there too.
I like GW2 a lot, it is a very fun game, maybe I will change my sitting position and use a mouse if I get really into the PvP but if not, and you see me getting killed because I am keyboard turning at least take comfort in the knowledge that I am kicking back and relaxing on my reclining sofa.
I can't help but feel like this is elitist sentiment couched in sympathetic posting. Just for the record, if you're good at an mmorpg, which I am almost always good at whatever game I am playing, you don't have a skill. You're not better than anyone, you're good at a game which is absoluitely meaningless and totally for recreation.
I would just like some posters, not specifically you, to know and understand this.
Gear doesnt make a difference? Have you played WoW lol
It will take away the excuse that a lot of players hold onto when they lose. I could see that being a painful realization to come to for some. And yes, it may even drive some people away.
But I also think it's a draw for a lot of people. I think the question is:
Are there enough people that love balanced systems that reward skill to compensate or go above the loss of people that need to blame something other than themselves?
Gear always matters, the difference is if you're competent you'll fix that. And yes knowing what you need to do, and doing it are part of not sucking.
You probably mean "You are not a better person than anyone" which I would agree with. But you certainly have better players than others. Thats like saying you don't have better basketball players and everybody is just the same. The fact is there is a whole spectrum of players who are better than other players.
Those that pretend this isn't true are what is wrong with gaming these days. People complain if it becomes clear that they aren't very good and blame the game, so the game gets dumbed down to the point that everybody is a winner. Yeah, group hug!
Luckily with PVP in general, that mirage is always destroyed. No matter what the ruleset since PVP is competetive by its nature gamers can still flex their muscles in a competetive environment. Competition is good you know.
And for the record, I'm a very good PVPer in general but I don't claim to be the BEST or even in the top 1% or anything. But to pretend there aren't fail players is just pretend. And in other MMOs I believe the fail players at least can soothe themselves by blaming their gear disadvantage. I wonder what they will blame in GW2?
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Though I am a large fan of GW2 and the skill based approach to structured PvP, I just have to say...
If in WoW "only gear mattered" that's like saying the Yankees or any other sports franchise with the highest salary would win every single game and there would be no competition.
It just doesn't happen.
As others have said, a bad player in the best gear in the game is still going to get rolled by someone good.
What I DON'T like about the gear game is that the good player is forced to work harder to beat the bad player because of the gear.
Good should always be good and better should always be better.
Maybe so in alot of games, But in some games (Where a geared out person takes less than 45 percent damage than you and has double your health due to gear and triple attack power) i feel like the game design is purposely shifted to gear so that even the most skilled of the skilled cannot hope to cope unless they gear up.
There are already unbalanced classes as I understand it in this game. Arena net is not perfect, this game will not be perfect. You're going to be heart broken.
I agree with this if its a case where we are looking at 2 people from the extremes of each category. That means retchidly horrible player and super elite player. Hell, I've beaten people 10 levels higher than me but I dont think that makes me elite. I just think the other person was complete crap. In most cases its not that cut and dry though. Sometimes the players skill levels are very similar and in this cases gear plays a huge part.
Yeah, I know they're not balanced.
^ pretty much this.
Matchmaking, you can even have "unskilled" players tourney!
I think a more relevant way to put it would be to say that every team would spot the yankees 5 points every game. That would make sense and make a difference. Because thats essentially what you are doing with gear isn't it? More health, more defense, more attack power. The higher these numbers are the more "points" you have. Good discussion. Lets please keep trolling out of it all
They will play WvWvW and claim that one or two people can't make any difference so it's too hard for them to do anything, even though 2 players can take a supply point and immediately have an effect on the game.
So, bad player will just play the most OP class. And as I am sure this game isn't that hard to learn, you need about 10 quick binds and a mouse to master it, everyone is ultimately going to be similarly "skilled".
I am an unskilled player and I can promise you, that you self proclaimed skillful players will not stop me from having fun in GW2. I hope you are relieved to hear it.
unskilled player? NO, untrained player :P