Let me start off by saying im looking forward to a skill based game. No more hearing "you suck baddie, your geared out". But I was wondering how the unskilled population (probably 35%) would take the game.
Now everyone has been in a guild where you got a few unskilled players (downright horrible) in the guild at pvp. Of course you would never say that to them or hurt there feelings but you still think it. Well alot of them can still be commited to the game and work hard to get gear because they really want to be better but unfortunatly you can only learn so much "skill" the rest is pretty much flat out talent for games. I feel like it does hurt those players alot because they are kinda stuck in that no mans land. At least if they got gear they could become almost average and contribute to a team and feel like they arn't as bad as they are (kinda a false sense of acheivement) but its going to be hard for them if they have no way getting better.
Whats everyone's thoughts on this? Will it force the "unskilled" players out of the game?
Well, first off, I'd say that the 'unskilled population' is a moving target. And generally, I'd say it's much larger than you probably realize. I'd put the 'unskilled' population at somewhere closer to 60-70% of the player base. They are a majority.
That said, what I consider a 'skilled player' may differ from your definition. Personally I think of a skill player as someone who not only has good reactions, but is intelligent / aware enough to react to things that happen in the game on the fly. Basically, someone who is actively using their brain, trying to improve, and can spot a mistake when they see one.
Most players I meet in MMOs aren't like that. There's enough skilled players to keep me interested, but when I find someone who is skilled, I usually remember them, and often end up friending them, because it's hard to find good players.
- Case in point: First BWE, in WvW, our server was trying to assault the main keep in the eternal battle grounds. We were a bit slow to the party, and the enemy had already setup some arrow carts. What did our team try and do? Yep. Charge the arrow carts. After a dozen or so attempts, they eventually started complaining about dying. There were a few people in /team chat that mentioned 'don't do that, either setup a trebuchet down the hill, or go around and flank them'. Barely anyone listened. They just kept trying to beat their heads against the wall.
This is fairly common-place, and I think most people have had similar experiences. Theres a reason a lot of people don't like 'zerg warfare', because it is 'mindless'. That's because, most of the unskilled players end up following each other, and that's how zergs form. Skilled players know this, and instead of complaining about it, will use this to their advantage. It really comes down to a matter of intelligence, and situational awareness.
I don't think that GW2 will force unskilled players out of the game. Anet has done a good enough job of making the game accessible, that the 'unskilled' players will be the masses. They will be the fodder. They will be the distraction. Will there be cases where people get angry at the 'unskilled' players. Of course. It's human nature. I'm sure I've been guilty of the same, and will continue to be guilty of this in the future. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I am not a naturally patient person. I have my limits.
I'm actually glad GW2 is accessible enough for unskilled players to enjoy themselves. They make the game feel more alive. There's also been many times where I wanted to do an event that required more people. Even if the help was terrible, it was enough of a distraction to keep the monsters off of myself long enough to succeed.
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen Unskilled players tend to be older people with poor coordination which will be you someday! Anyways they tend to gravitate towards things they are good at and find enjoyment in which usually isn't pvp..until now. Now they can run logistics, carrying supply to fix walls and wield the trebuchets.
Oh really?
I'm 45 years old and will kick your ass from here to China in PvP....
Unskilled players will just progress through pve content slower than skilled people so its just their own problem/decision.
In pvp I don't care about unskilled teammates unless MY OWN victory/rank/points/whatever depends on them (hi league of legends), then I would rather get rid of them so I would play with people at my level instead of having the fun ruined by some worthless bad person that tanks down my pvp rank.
Let me start off by saying im looking forward to a skill based game. No more hearing "you suck baddie, your geared out". But I was wondering how the unskilled population (probably 35%) would take the game.
Now everyone has been in a guild where you got a few unskilled players (downright horrible) in the guild at pvp. Of course you would never say that to them or hurt there feelings but you still think it. Well alot of them can still be commited to the game and work hard to get gear because they really want to be better but unfortunatly you can only learn so much "skill" the rest is pretty much flat out talent for games. I feel like it does hurt those players alot because they are kinda stuck in that no mans land. At least if they got gear they could become almost average and contribute to a team and feel like they arn't as bad as they are (kinda a false sense of acheivement) but its going to be hard for them if they have no way getting better.
Whats everyone's thoughts on this? Will it force the "unskilled" players out of the game?
Well, first off, I'd say that the 'unskilled population' is a moving target. And generally, I'd say it's much larger than you probably realize. I'd put the 'unskilled' population at somewhere closer to 60-70% of the player base. They are a majority.
That said, what I consider a 'skilled player' may differ from your definition. Personally I think of a skill player as someone who not only has good reactions, but is intelligent / aware enough to react to things that happen in the game on the fly. Basically, someone who is actively using their brain, trying to improve, and can spot a mistake when they see one.
Most players I meet in MMOs aren't like that. There's enough skilled players to keep me interested, but when I find someone who is skilled, I usually remember them, and often end up friending them, because it's hard to find good players.
- Case in point: First BWE, in WvW, our server was trying to assault the main keep in the eternal battle grounds. We were a bit slow to the party, and the enemy had already setup some arrow carts. What did our team try and do? Yep. Charge the arrow carts. After a dozen or so attempts, they eventually started complaining about dying. There were a few people in /team chat that mentioned 'don't do that, either setup a trebuchet down the hill, or go around and flank them'. Barely anyone listened. They just kept trying to beat their heads against the wall.
This is fairly common-place, and I think most people have had similar experiences. Theres a reason a lot of people don't like 'zerg warfare', because it is 'mindless'. That's because, most of the unskilled players end up following each other, and that's how zergs form. Skilled players know this, and instead of complaining about it, will use this to their advantage. It really comes down to a matter of intelligence, and situational awareness.
I don't think that GW2 will force unskilled players out of the game. Anet has done a good enough job of making the game accessible, that the 'unskilled' players will be the masses. They will be the fodder. They will be the distraction. Will there be cases where people get angry at the 'unskilled' players. Of course. It's human nature. I'm sure I've been guilty of the same, and will continue to be guilty of this in the future. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I am not a naturally patient person. I have my limits.
I'm actually glad GW2 is accessible enough for unskilled players to enjoy themselves. They make the game feel more alive. There's also been many times where I wanted to do an event that required more people. Even if the help was terrible, it was enough of a distraction to keep the monsters off of myself long enough to succeed.
A bit cynical, but I agree with some of what you say. The two hallmarks of what I consider an "unskilled" player are:
1) A complete disregard for the concept of situational awareness.
2) A complete unwillingness to learn and develop their own gameplay.
I think the numbers aren't as bad as you though. I think the majority of MMO players are in what I'd call a "semi-skilled" level. They understand the game, they want to get better, they just are gated by one factor or another.
Sadly, MMos have for a while now reduced the need for situational awareness, or for a player to learn the game. Come in, slam a few buttons, someone will heal you, get your loot.
I believe the amount of people who don't want to learn is pretty low... I also wouldn't call them unskilled. Unskilled is someone who lacks skill, like me right now.
Trying to claim that WvW players just do not want to learn is pretty far-fetched. For a lot of people this was their first WvW and many are rather disoriented or don't particularly care at this point. Do you think they know what arrow carts even are? You know all the tactics by now, but a lot of people don't, and WvW isn't exactly an easy mode to wrap your head around.
People follow each other because you can't do much on your own in WvW. Where are they supposed to go? Intelligence? Oh, you are so intelligent, seriously, some of those "zerg" players are probably more intelligent than you are...
A bit cynical, but I agree with some of what you say. The two hallmarks of what I consider an "unskilled" player are:
1) A complete disregard for the concept of situational awareness.
2) A complete unwillingness to learn and develop their own gameplay.
I think the numbers aren't as bad as you though. I think the majority of MMO players are in what I'd call a "semi-skilled" level. They understand the game, they want to get better, they just are gated by one factor or another.
Sadly, MMos have for a while now reduced the need for situational awareness, or for a player to learn the game. Come in, slam a few buttons, someone will heal you, get your loot.
RPGs keep putting to much importance into RNG formulas and part of the skill is either working out the formulas yourself or go read someone elsework.
The games need to put back the focus on the player actions instead of the ability to choose the most efficient skill out of 30 that serve the same purpose.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
A bit cynical, but I agree with some of what you say. The two hallmarks of what I consider an "unskilled" player are:
1) A complete disregard for the concept of situational awareness.
2) A complete unwillingness to learn and develop their own gameplay.
I think the numbers aren't as bad as you though. I think the majority of MMO players are in what I'd call a "semi-skilled" level. They understand the game, they want to get better, they just are gated by one factor or another.
Sadly, MMos have for a while now reduced the need for situational awareness, or for a player to learn the game. Come in, slam a few buttons, someone will heal you, get your loot.
RPGs keep putting to much importance into RNG formulas and part of the skill is either working out the formulas yourself or go read someone elsework.
The games need to put back the focus on the player actions instead of the ability to choose the most efficient skill out of 30 that serve the same purpose.
I disagree actually. You can have both player skill and skill in building your character be important: it's not one or the other.
I really really enjoy the analysis of builds and combinations in order to maximize my character for my particular playstyle. I don't do flavor of the month cookie cutter builds usually, as I have a preferred style of play that often doesn't match a flavor of the month build. But the thinking and planning aspect of building my character to suit my style is very enjoybable for me and I think a big part of what makes MMO PVP fun.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Whats everyone's thoughts on this? Will it force the "unskilled" players out of the game?
well from my view as a casual gamer (that means i am not so skilled, almost no skilled at all) the game is much more fun, cause it places a challenge, to be able to dodge, to be able to find the gameplay you can be usefull
also for a casuall low skill player is better to know that the enemy killed him cause he just got more skill, than knowing that the enemy is also a low skill noob who just spend more time .
back to Aion in dredgion runs when we lose we had always someone crying for the OP enemy, at BWE when we were loosing we knew why ! also there are more chances to win when we will become at least skillfull, its making you better as a person having a target to become better, than to grind more ...
Like many people already said, i would rather have a (noob) beside me then a screaming elitist douchebag anyday of the week.
When you played WoW Arena at around 2200 rating your alright in terms of skill, still your called a noob so your never realy skilled enough in some people's eyes.
The amount of bashing that goesd around is heartbreakening and i realy hope those namecalling scrubs of them elitist stay at WoW's Arena and let the average joe duke it out on their own skill level.
Giving tips to new player is ok, bashing them with bad mouthing is not.
Alot of gaming communities are rotten with those elitist people claiming to know it all and pretend they are gods.
I respect good players with good attitude, but they come in rare numbers, one can only hope the GW1 community moves to GW2 and show how well a good player can assist the lesser skilled player.
And lets hope the WoW community stays at WoW as we realy cant use those kind of kids inside the gaming community.
Like many people already said, i would rather have a (noob) beside me then a screaming elitist douchebag anyday of the week.
When you played WoW Arena at around 2200 rating your alright in terms of skill, still your called a noob so your never realy skilled enough in some people's eyes.
The amount of bashing that goesd around is heartbreakening and i realy hope those namecalling scrubs of them elitist stay at WoW's Arena and let the average joe duke it out on their own skill level.
Giving tips to new player is ok, bashing them with bad mouthing is not.
Alot of gaming communities are rotten with those elitist people claiming to know it all and pretend they are gods.
I respect good players with good attitude, but they come in rare numbers, one can only hope the GW1 community moves to GW2 and show how well a good player can assist the lesser skilled player.
And lets hope the WoW community stays at WoW as we realy cant use those kind of kids inside the gaming community.
Not ALL skilled players are jerks, and not ALL noobs are nice......just saying since this seems to be the theme of most post...
When you played WoW Arena at around 2200 rating your alright in terms of skill, still your called a noob so your never realy skilled enough in some people's eyes.
The amount of bashing that goesd around is heartbreakening and i realy hope those namecalling scrubs of them elitist stay at WoW's Arena and let the average joe duke it out on their own skill level.
Tell me about it... so much negativity in these environments.
Originally posted by Talketzanto
Not ALL skilled players are jerks, and not ALL noobs are nice......just saying since this seems to be the theme of most post...
Well, the people who behave like jerks always claim to be skilled players.
Like this thread. How many people here are talking down on unskilled players while believing themselves to be superior?
When you played WoW Arena at around 2200 rating your alright in terms of skill, still your called a noob so your never realy skilled enough in some people's eyes.
The amount of bashing that goesd around is heartbreakening and i realy hope those namecalling scrubs of them elitist stay at WoW's Arena and let the average joe duke it out on their own skill level.
Tell me about it... so much negativity in these environments.
Originally posted by Talketzanto
Not ALL skilled players are jerks, and not ALL noobs are nice......just saying since this seems to be the theme of most post...
Well, the people who behave like jerks always claim to be skilled players.
Like this thread. How many people here are talking down on unskilled players while believing themselves to be superior?
There are so many people who will yell at you and blame you when it was their own fault or a combination of your fault and their fault. Often times the person doing the yelling is just an average player and makes tons of mistakes too.
In any kind of force grouped scenario other players skill does effect the success of the group or not. This is most true in equal vs equal pvp or in challenging PVE content. There is a reason why raiding guilds have an application process and why high end pvp groups are hard to get into.
Some players will never be as good at the game. They don't care to know about orb walking/animation canceling. They don't care to know cooldowns or exactly how much damage a class or boss can put out. This fundamentaly puts them at a disadvantage against those who take the time to learn this. Can your half life ranger beat the 3/4 life mesmer chaseing you (Extrapilate that to whatever game you want...)? What cooldowns would he need to have used and what attacks need to be dodged in order to give you the upper hand?
For me, pvp/pve is a constant thought process. Not everyone even wants to think about that and perfer to smash the buttons and see who wins. Which is fine. I understand that not everyone wants to approach hard multiplayer tasks like I do.
My years of experience teach me that you just need to remaint silent, either on victory or defeat, and never ever give an advice to Newbies/unskilled people, because sooner or later you will get hammered with something like "since when other players tell me how to play?" and not precisely once, sorry but that is the truth.
My years of experience teach me that you just need to remaint silent, either on victory or defeat, and never ever give an advice to Newbies/unskilled people, because sooner or later you will get hammered with something like "since when other players tell me how to play?" and not precisely once, sorry but that is the truth.
Goes both ways. A newbie can ask for help and get a response like "wtf noob we got a noob here".
I would argue there is a high amount of negativeity in competive enviroments where players must work together in forced group settings. This means raiding and structured pvp. This is because your circumstance for victory are directly reliant on whoever else is on your team.
The negativity will go down if players are allowed to pick their team. It will go up if there is random assignment or no choice.
The negativity will go down if the content is easier. It will go up as the content gets harder.
The negativity will go down if one player can be so good so as to do the work of 2 players. It will go way up if one player can completely mess up the whole thing.
On average the most frustrating experience possible would be a large group of random people with challenging content where another player is capable of making a mistake that costs the group their whole effort.
The most non frustrating experience possible would be a small group where one player can be good enough to carry the task on his own and the other player(s) cannot mess it up no matter what they do.
Can we just agree that people who thrash talk others are bad?
I know right?
Though I must say I'm a bit confused with this thread, we have a discussion about elitist, we have people making up their own definition of what the word skill mean, we have people stating GW 2 doesn't require skill(which is a lie), people for and against gear based PVP, and so forth.
Though maybe it's because I forgot what the OP said after reading almost every post.
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Originally posted by Trionicus I wonder if putting on shoes in the morning counts as a skill too?I might retract that statement after I give this game a fair test this coming beta weekend.
Probably will. Unless, of course, you put on your shoes while simultaneously fending off a ninja and an archer by running in circles tossing rocks. Mad props if that is how you put shoes on though.
You know... I've had to do that once or twice before.
Getting back to the OP's post, I made a similar post several months ago (here) asking basically the same thing. During the BWE's I saw a lot of players trying to approach combat in GW2 the same way they do in other MMO's (stand there and keep hitting buttons until the mob is dead). Some players just don't possess the skill level to handle moving and attacking and/or dodging all at the same time. GW2 won't be kind to them, but a big concern is whether or not the devs will dumb down the game so even a child could handle it. Fortunately there's no subscription fees so Anet won't have constant pressure to keep the game "accessible" to players of all skill levels, which ultimately leads to nerfing the content.
I don't understand why you seem to think unskilled players are frozen in an ice cube. Why can't they just... get better? Or play at w/e level is appropriate for them? Why do you need to kick them out of the community?
Originally posted by Sixpax
Some players just don't possess the skill level to handle moving and attacking and/or dodging all at the same time.
I don't understand why you seem to think unskilled players are frozen in an ice cube. Why can't they just... get better? Or play at w/e level is appropriate for them? Why do you need to kick them out of the community?
Originally posted by Sixpax
Some players just don't possess the skill level to handle moving and attacking and/or dodging all at the same time.
I seriously doubt it...
Stupid players are not frozen in an ice cube like they have a status ailment. That would mean they are ignorant and can be helped. No, I said they were stupid. To the Forum Moderator that's going to "Warn" me for trolling. I am actually serious and deleting my account after I finish posting what a worthless bag of ripped assholes you are. You have been told mod, ty for your time and understanding in keeping my mind a nicer and cleaner place for everyone!
Getting back to the OP's post, I made a similar post several months ago (here) asking basically the same thing. During the BWE's I saw a lot of players trying to approach combat in GW2 the same way they do in other MMO's (stand there and keep hitting buttons until the mob is dead). Some players just don't possess the skill level to handle moving and attacking and/or dodging all at the same time. GW2 won't be kind to them, but a big concern is whether or not the devs will dumb down the game so even a child could handle it. Fortunately there's no subscription fees so Anet won't have constant pressure to keep the game "accessible" to players of all skill levels, which ultimately leads to nerfing the content.
It isn't all just "skill" either. People will learn when they fight their first Champion Etin that they can't just stand there and take the hits when they wind up and whack you in the forhead with a club. They will learn when they fight their first DE boss that AoE kills everyone with abilities.
The dodge mechanic and the action focused gameplay is just something rather new to many players. Leveling up to 34 in the beta I have got better and learned to pay more attention to the game and graphics than watching my skill bar/UI (which I LOVE about this game).
Learning to dodge and pay attention is the first step. Learning what other character's moves look like and knowing when to get out of the way is the next. And the pinnacle of all skill is executing and landing all your powerful skills while avoiding the enemies. If you can do this, you will be one of the best players in the game. But it will take some practice and knowledge of the game, that is for sure.
the majority of them dont try to get better.there "trying"is just endless whining about the game being to hard and wanting the people making it to dumb the game down,and sadly.with developers like blizzard,that seems to work
Eventually people will realise if they stad there and spam buttons it equals death. Hmmm maybe I shouldn't just stand here, maybe I should try moving. Aaahhhhh that works much better and is more fun as well. I beta weekend or two isn't enough to break year's old habits. Give it time....
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Well, first off, I'd say that the 'unskilled population' is a moving target. And generally, I'd say it's much larger than you probably realize. I'd put the 'unskilled' population at somewhere closer to 60-70% of the player base. They are a majority.
That said, what I consider a 'skilled player' may differ from your definition. Personally I think of a skill player as someone who not only has good reactions, but is intelligent / aware enough to react to things that happen in the game on the fly. Basically, someone who is actively using their brain, trying to improve, and can spot a mistake when they see one.
Most players I meet in MMOs aren't like that. There's enough skilled players to keep me interested, but when I find someone who is skilled, I usually remember them, and often end up friending them, because it's hard to find good players.
- Case in point: First BWE, in WvW, our server was trying to assault the main keep in the eternal battle grounds. We were a bit slow to the party, and the enemy had already setup some arrow carts. What did our team try and do? Yep. Charge the arrow carts. After a dozen or so attempts, they eventually started complaining about dying. There were a few people in /team chat that mentioned 'don't do that, either setup a trebuchet down the hill, or go around and flank them'. Barely anyone listened. They just kept trying to beat their heads against the wall.
This is fairly common-place, and I think most people have had similar experiences. Theres a reason a lot of people don't like 'zerg warfare', because it is 'mindless'. That's because, most of the unskilled players end up following each other, and that's how zergs form. Skilled players know this, and instead of complaining about it, will use this to their advantage. It really comes down to a matter of intelligence, and situational awareness.
I don't think that GW2 will force unskilled players out of the game. Anet has done a good enough job of making the game accessible, that the 'unskilled' players will be the masses. They will be the fodder. They will be the distraction. Will there be cases where people get angry at the 'unskilled' players. Of course. It's human nature. I'm sure I've been guilty of the same, and will continue to be guilty of this in the future. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I am not a naturally patient person. I have my limits.
I'm actually glad GW2 is accessible enough for unskilled players to enjoy themselves. They make the game feel more alive. There's also been many times where I wanted to do an event that required more people. Even if the help was terrible, it was enough of a distraction to keep the monsters off of myself long enough to succeed.
Oh really?
I'm 45 years old and will kick your ass from here to China in PvP....
Unskilled players will just progress through pve content slower than skilled people so its just their own problem/decision.
In pvp I don't care about unskilled teammates unless MY OWN victory/rank/points/whatever depends on them (hi league of legends), then I would rather get rid of them so I would play with people at my level instead of having the fun ruined by some worthless bad person that tanks down my pvp rank.
A bit cynical, but I agree with some of what you say. The two hallmarks of what I consider an "unskilled" player are:
1) A complete disregard for the concept of situational awareness.
2) A complete unwillingness to learn and develop their own gameplay.
I think the numbers aren't as bad as you though. I think the majority of MMO players are in what I'd call a "semi-skilled" level. They understand the game, they want to get better, they just are gated by one factor or another.
Sadly, MMos have for a while now reduced the need for situational awareness, or for a player to learn the game. Come in, slam a few buttons, someone will heal you, get your loot.
I believe the amount of people who don't want to learn is pretty low... I also wouldn't call them unskilled. Unskilled is someone who lacks skill, like me right now.
Trying to claim that WvW players just do not want to learn is pretty far-fetched. For a lot of people this was their first WvW and many are rather disoriented or don't particularly care at this point. Do you think they know what arrow carts even are? You know all the tactics by now, but a lot of people don't, and WvW isn't exactly an easy mode to wrap your head around.
People follow each other because you can't do much on your own in WvW. Where are they supposed to go? Intelligence? Oh, you are so intelligent, seriously, some of those "zerg" players are probably more intelligent than you are...
Not to nitpick or anything, but knowing the strategy and working as a team are... skills too.
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RPGs keep putting to much importance into RNG formulas and part of the skill is either working out the formulas yourself or go read someone elsework.
The games need to put back the focus on the player actions instead of the ability to choose the most efficient skill out of 30 that serve the same purpose.
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I disagree actually. You can have both player skill and skill in building your character be important: it's not one or the other.
I really really enjoy the analysis of builds and combinations in order to maximize my character for my particular playstyle. I don't do flavor of the month cookie cutter builds usually, as I have a preferred style of play that often doesn't match a flavor of the month build. But the thinking and planning aspect of building my character to suit my style is very enjoybable for me and I think a big part of what makes MMO PVP fun.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
well from my view as a casual gamer (that means i am not so skilled, almost no skilled at all) the game is much more fun, cause it places a challenge, to be able to dodge, to be able to find the gameplay you can be usefull
also for a casuall low skill player is better to know that the enemy killed him cause he just got more skill, than knowing that the enemy is also a low skill noob who just spend more time .
back to Aion in dredgion runs when we lose we had always someone crying for the OP enemy, at BWE when we were loosing we knew why ! also there are more chances to win when we will become at least skillfull, its making you better as a person having a target to become better, than to grind more ...
Like many people already said, i would rather have a (noob) beside me then a screaming elitist douchebag anyday of the week.
When you played WoW Arena at around 2200 rating your alright in terms of skill, still your called a noob so your never realy skilled enough in some people's eyes.
The amount of bashing that goesd around is heartbreakening and i realy hope those namecalling scrubs of them elitist stay at WoW's Arena and let the average joe duke it out on their own skill level.
Giving tips to new player is ok, bashing them with bad mouthing is not.
Alot of gaming communities are rotten with those elitist people claiming to know it all and pretend they are gods.
I respect good players with good attitude, but they come in rare numbers, one can only hope the GW1 community moves to GW2 and show how well a good player can assist the lesser skilled player.
And lets hope the WoW community stays at WoW as we realy cant use those kind of kids inside the gaming community.
Not ALL skilled players are jerks, and not ALL noobs are nice......just saying since this seems to be the theme of most post...
Tell me about it... so much negativity in these environments.
Well, the people who behave like jerks always claim to be skilled players.
Like this thread. How many people here are talking down on unskilled players while believing themselves to be superior?
There are so many people who will yell at you and blame you when it was their own fault or a combination of your fault and their fault. Often times the person doing the yelling is just an average player and makes tons of mistakes too.
In any kind of force grouped scenario other players skill does effect the success of the group or not. This is most true in equal vs equal pvp or in challenging PVE content. There is a reason why raiding guilds have an application process and why high end pvp groups are hard to get into.
Some players will never be as good at the game. They don't care to know about orb walking/animation canceling. They don't care to know cooldowns or exactly how much damage a class or boss can put out. This fundamentaly puts them at a disadvantage against those who take the time to learn this. Can your half life ranger beat the 3/4 life mesmer chaseing you (Extrapilate that to whatever game you want...)? What cooldowns would he need to have used and what attacks need to be dodged in order to give you the upper hand?
For me, pvp/pve is a constant thought process. Not everyone even wants to think about that and perfer to smash the buttons and see who wins. Which is fine. I understand that not everyone wants to approach hard multiplayer tasks like I do.
Can we just agree that people who thrash talk others are bad?
My years of experience teach me that you just need to remaint silent, either on victory or defeat, and never ever give an advice to Newbies/unskilled people, because sooner or later you will get hammered with something like "since when other players tell me how to play?" and not precisely once, sorry but that is the truth.
Goes both ways. A newbie can ask for help and get a response like "wtf noob we got a noob here".
I would argue there is a high amount of negativeity in competive enviroments where players must work together in forced group settings. This means raiding and structured pvp. This is because your circumstance for victory are directly reliant on whoever else is on your team.
The negativity will go down if players are allowed to pick their team. It will go up if there is random assignment or no choice.
The negativity will go down if the content is easier. It will go up as the content gets harder.
The negativity will go down if one player can be so good so as to do the work of 2 players. It will go way up if one player can completely mess up the whole thing.
On average the most frustrating experience possible would be a large group of random people with challenging content where another player is capable of making a mistake that costs the group their whole effort.
The most non frustrating experience possible would be a small group where one player can be good enough to carry the task on his own and the other player(s) cannot mess it up no matter what they do.
I know right?
Though I must say I'm a bit confused with this thread, we have a discussion about elitist, we have people making up their own definition of what the word skill mean, we have people stating GW 2 doesn't require skill(which is a lie), people for and against gear based PVP, and so forth.
Though maybe it's because I forgot what the OP said after reading almost every post.
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Probably will. Unless, of course, you put on your shoes while simultaneously fending off a ninja and an archer by running in circles tossing rocks. Mad props if that is how you put shoes on though.
You know... I've had to do that once or twice before.Getting back to the OP's post, I made a similar post several months ago (here) asking basically the same thing. During the BWE's I saw a lot of players trying to approach combat in GW2 the same way they do in other MMO's (stand there and keep hitting buttons until the mob is dead). Some players just don't possess the skill level to handle moving and attacking and/or dodging all at the same time. GW2 won't be kind to them, but a big concern is whether or not the devs will dumb down the game so even a child could handle it. Fortunately there's no subscription fees so Anet won't have constant pressure to keep the game "accessible" to players of all skill levels, which ultimately leads to nerfing the content.
I don't understand why you seem to think unskilled players are frozen in an ice cube. Why can't they just... get better? Or play at w/e level is appropriate for them? Why do you need to kick them out of the community?
I seriously doubt it...
Stupid players are not frozen in an ice cube like they have a status ailment. That would mean they are ignorant and can be helped. No, I said they were stupid. To the Forum Moderator that's going to "Warn" me for trolling. I am actually serious and deleting my account after I finish posting what a worthless bag of ripped assholes you are. You have been told mod, ty for your time and understanding in keeping my mind a nicer and cleaner place for everyone!
It isn't all just "skill" either. People will learn when they fight their first Champion Etin that they can't just stand there and take the hits when they wind up and whack you in the forhead with a club. They will learn when they fight their first DE boss that AoE kills everyone with abilities.
The dodge mechanic and the action focused gameplay is just something rather new to many players. Leveling up to 34 in the beta I have got better and learned to pay more attention to the game and graphics than watching my skill bar/UI (which I LOVE about this game).
Learning to dodge and pay attention is the first step. Learning what other character's moves look like and knowing when to get out of the way is the next. And the pinnacle of all skill is executing and landing all your powerful skills while avoiding the enemies. If you can do this, you will be one of the best players in the game. But it will take some practice and knowledge of the game, that is for sure.
the problem with unskilled players are
the majority of them dont try to get better.there "trying"is just endless whining about the game being to hard and wanting the people making it to dumb the game down,and sadly.with developers like blizzard,that seems to work
Eventually people will realise if they stad there and spam buttons it equals death. Hmmm maybe I shouldn't just stand here, maybe I should try moving. Aaahhhhh that works much better and is more fun as well. I beta weekend or two isn't enough to break year's old habits. Give it time....