You only got perma banned if you did this hundreds of times or more, some people did it thousands of times. If you do it that many times you know it's an exploit. Period.
You got what you deserved. You will find no sympathy from legit players. Some people have been caught on reddit already with the "I did it a few times and got perma banned". They are lieing. The guy I'm talking about did it over a thousand times. You know what you're doing, and you want to come here and lie to us to try and get sympathy. Good riddance, the game will be better without you.
I dunno if this was stated already in the thread but ArenaNet advised that If you didn't buy at least 50 you were not banned. I'll see if I can find the quote..
ahh yeah here it is..
Exploits - If you discover an exploit in the game, do not exploit it or publicize it, but instead notify us immediately at this new email address: exploits (at) arena (dot) net.
This morning there was a widely-publicized, newly-introduced exploit in which specific cultural weapons were selling for one-thousandth of their normal price. We fixed it with an emergency build this morning. We want to thank the vast majority of players who became aware of the issue, responsibly reported it, and did not exploit it. However, a smaller group of players did significantly exploit it, each purchasing hundreds or thousands of these weapons. We permanently banned 3,000 accounts of players who substantially exploited it, and applied 72-hours bans to another 1,000 accounts of players who mildly exploited it.
If you feel you were wrongly banned: Feel free to publicly contest it here: http://ow.ly/dmqE9 ^MK
These reddit posts are becoming some of my favorite things to read while I'm not at home and bored. I love when people come in with long winded posts about how draconian Anet is or how they were banned for nothing and Anet comes in and posts the actual logs of exactly why they were banned. I laugh so hard each time I read one...even harder when the person is so embarassed they delete their post/account.
So would I get banned from Target if they had, say iPods priced at $1, and I bought a crapload of them? It is in a store marked at a price, and all I did was buy the item? I do not see fault with the customer.
Idk, taking advantage of a cheap price OFFERED BY Anet on gear does not seem like a bannable offense to me. Rollback/take the gear and send these people a message saying Woops... cause it seems like thier mistake not the individuals who bought something for cheap.
I don't think the cashier would be that stupid to sell you a crapload of iPods for $1 each.
On the other hand if they were not marked with a price tag would you assume they was free to take, without paying?
Forcing your way through would most likely make you not welcome to that store again.
And when we are talking about real life examples. I do not know about your country, of course.
But here in Sweden we actaully had for a long time something that said if you bougth something in good faith it did not matter if it was stolen or not. But good faith was not the same as paying $10 for something that was worth $100.
You see... we all expect people not to be stupid.
You should not try to be that innocent, buying hundreds of things for a price that do not match other items price. Ok, a mistake but those who did was aware of what they were doing, they just tried to play the innocence card.
Your example is flawed, it's has nothing to do with good faith. It's about buying something at an advertised price. In the country i am from if you go to buy something and at the counter they say opps there was a mistake on the tag and it actually cost more they are legallly obliged to give let you buy it at the price on the tag.
Look at it this way it's your "bonus" reduction for finding the error in pricing on the tag and they then immiedately correct that on the tags/shelves and give shit to the guy that fraccked up his job.
I have no problems with banning exploiters and hackers and cheaters but in this case i think they went too far seeing as the mistakes was theirs. They should have assumed the responsibility and maybe like some have said rolled back the purchases on those that thought they were clever along with a temp ban warning.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Support, My name in game is Exivate. Support ticket #120830-017863. I got banned as well and would like to request the ban to be reduced to a 72 hour and/or a 24 hour rollback. There are way to many vendors in the game with so many different prices for the exact same stats. I admit I spent thousands of Karma at that vendor, and enjoyed playing with the Mystic Forge to discover different item combinations. I full expected the servers to be rolled back when I saw the hundreds of people standing around this vendor and the forge.
I did not equip these items, though I was of adequate level to do so. You only hand out a 72 hour ban to macroers/botters and a 72 hour ban to Kripparian for advertising in game exploits. These punishments do not equate. Let me know the results of your decision here or via email with my support ticket. You should have /killed this vendor when you saw it was incorrectly priced, not left it alive for over 8 hours.
[–]ArenaNetSupportTeam 47 points 2 hours ago
But if you expected a roll-back, you knew the situation represented an exploit. And yet you continued?
You exploited 2,167 time. Two thousand one hundred and sixty seven times. I will not comment further.
"What's this!?!?!?!" "I got banned permanently?!?!?!" "I didn't do anything wrong! They put it in the game! If they didn't want me to do it, they shouldn't have put it in the game!" "This isn't fair!" "I shouldn't get banned just because I found a way to make fast money and did it..........a thousand time!"
Well not goodbye, more like see you soon .. Since Anet are allowing those that got perma banned to lower it to 72 hours if they delete the items exploited
The real reason why A.Net is so active with the bannings is to avoid any economical exploits that would mess up the gold-gem trade.
This said it's nice to see a developer paying attention.
It shows they didn't have the insight to incorporate effective data collection and roll-back capability. Instead they make sweeping bans. This is a sign of poor design and an effort to cover their own mistakes by denying consumers their $60 product.
If this is the case they should admit it and freely refund said banned consumers' investment.
Nothing about what you wrote makes any logical sense.
It makes complete sense, and I agree with everything he said. If ANet had the proper data collection in place and the capability to roll-back character inventory/exp to an earlier state, there would be no reason to throw around bans as the first and only form of disciplinary action. They could have fairly quickly tracked any of those karma items that were bought at the bugged price and removed them from the game, along with any gold/gems that found their way into the economy as a result. Yes, it would've required an investigation, but that's exactly why any MMO dev operating a high-population game needs to have that staff and those tools in place. So far, it seems like ANet's only reaction to any sign of misconduct is either a 72-hour ban or a permaban, and I think that's too heavy-handed. Say what you will about WoW, Rift and ToR as games, but their companies were prepared to deal with a high populalation in a professional manner.
B2P. No sub fees. Have to cut a few corners somewhere you know. Nobody rides for free. Besides, what's their motivation? This way if the people they banned want back in they'll have to spend another 60 bucks.
Not laziness, pure genius. And they get to kick a few thousand cheaters right in the privates.
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The real reason why A.Net is so active with the bannings is to avoid any economical exploits that would mess up the gold-gem trade.
This said it's nice to see a developer paying attention.
It shows they didn't have the insight to incorporate effective data collection and roll-back capability. Instead they make sweeping bans. This is a sign of poor design and an effort to cover their own mistakes by denying consumers their $60 product.
If this is the case they should admit it and freely refund said banned consumers' investment.
Nothing about what you wrote makes any logical sense.
It makes complete sense, and I agree with everything he said. If ANet had the proper data collection in place and the capability to roll-back character inventory/exp to an earlier state, there would be no reason to throw around bans as the first and only form of disciplinary action. They could have fairly quickly tracked any of those karma items that were bought at the bugged price and removed them from the game, along with any gold/gems that found their way into the economy as a result. Yes, it would've required an investigation, but that's exactly why any MMO dev operating a high-population game needs to have that staff and those tools in place. So far, it seems like ANet's only reaction to any sign of misconduct is either a 72-hour ban or a permaban, and I think that's too heavy-handed. Say what you will about WoW, Rift and ToR as games, but their companies were prepared to deal with a high populalation in a professional manner.
B2P. No sub fees. Have to cut a few corners somewhere you know. Nobody rides for free. Besides, what's their motivation? This way if the people they banned want back in they'll have to spend another 60 bucks.
Not laziness, pure genius. And they get to kick a few thousand cheaters right in the privates.
Posting from iPad so not sure this image will copy/paste on:
If you deliberately exploit an obvious bug (and don't even try to deny that this was an obvious bug), you should absolutely be punished. You cannot try to weasel out of it by saying it was the developers' fault for the bug being there in the first place.
However, in this case, I think the punishments were too harsh. Now it surprises me to find myself saying this, because I've probably spent the last decade thinking that I would be much, much harsher on players than any developer ever would be. But no, ArenaNet have actually dished out sterner justice that I would have done.
I think it is excessive to permanently ban a player with a clean record (and given that the game launched less than a week ago, I'm sure most of these players had clean records so far!) for profiting from a bug. I would have dished out 72-hour suspensions all round, and of course everyone involved would now no longer have a clean record, and could expect rougher justice next time around.
Also.. I hate to say it.. but there's something a little on-the-nose about enthusiastically permabanning players in a B2P game. In a sub game, you can see the tradeoff - the developer has decided that it is not worth tolerating bad behaviour in order to get their $15/month from that player. In a B2P game.. yeah, there's a smell of "we got your money, you're banned, sucks to be you." I applauded it when Blizzard was banning D2 players for using Maphack, because that was an obvious cheat. But buying incorrectly priced stuff and using it for reforging? I feel that's a warning first and a ban if you do something similar again.
"Today we banned a number of players for exploiting Guild Wars 2. We take our community and the integrity of the game very seriously, and want to be clear that intentionally exploiting the game is unacceptable. The players we banned were certainly intentionally and repeatedly exploiting a bug in the game. We intended to send a very clear message that exploiting the game in this way will not be tolerated, and we believe this message now has been well understood.
We also believe and respect that people make mistakes. This is in fact the first example of a widespread exploit in the game. With this in mind, we are offering the members of our community who exploited the game a second chance to repair the damage that has been done.
Thus, just this once, we will offer to convert permanent bans to 72-hour suspensions. Should those involved want to accept this offer of reinstatement, contact us on our support website--support.guildwars.com—and submit a ticket through the "Ask a Question" tab. Please use the subject heading of "Karma Weapons Exploit Appeal", then confirm in the body of your ticket that you will delete any items/currency that you gained from the exploit. You should submit only one ticket. Once you have done so, we will lower your ban to 72 hours, and following your re-activation we will check your account to make sure that you have honored your commitment. If that commitment is not hindered, we will re-terminate the account.
This is a first and final warning. Moving forward, please make sure you that when you see an exploitable part of the game, you report it and do not attempt to benefit from it.
We look forward to seeing you in game,
Yours Sincerely,
Chris Whiteside- Lead Producer ArenaNet"
Those of you who wanted Anet to be merciful, you got it.
Anet wanted to send a clear message that they will not stand for exploiting (unlike other companies *cough* Bioware) which they have done very well. 72 hours seems like a more suitable ban period for buying a cheap weapon from a vendor a few times, ok maybe a little more then a few...
This morning there was a widely-publicized, newly-introduced exploit in which specific cultural weapons were selling for one-thousandth of their normal price. We fixed it with an emergency build this morning. We want to thank the vast majority of players who became aware of the issue, responsibly reported it, and did not exploit it. However, a smaller group of players did significantly exploit it, each purchasing hundreds or thousands of these weapons. We permanently banned 3,000 accounts of players who substantially exploited it, and applied 72-hours bans to another 1,000 accounts of players who mildly exploited it.
That is so right.
Permabanning someone for doing it once would be too rough but someone buying a thousand swords for something like this do deserves to be banned.
But frankly I expect more bans to come, some people just have to cheat no matter what they do.
Some1 in my guild bought 1 of those weapons to preview. Didn't work and he'll now destroy it not to be banned ;-)
I'm so happy ANet is *THIS* active on cheaters (and botters for that matter). Think I have found a new (cheater-free) home for the coming years!
This morning there was a widely-publicized, newly-introduced exploit in which specific cultural weapons were selling for one-thousandth of their normal price. We fixed it with an emergency build this morning. We want to thank the vast majority of players who became aware of the issue, responsibly reported it, and did not exploit it. However, a smaller group of players did significantly exploit it, each purchasing hundreds or thousands of these weapons. We permanently banned 3,000 accounts of players who substantially exploited it, and applied 72-hours bans to another 1,000 accounts of players who mildly exploited it.
exploiters should be banned. anet have nothing to lose and will gain the respect of those playing. It's good they are not repeating the mistakes of bioware
The exploiters should have known better, I mean what did they expect, for Anet to let them get away with it when they publically broadcast themselves exploiting.
Another great decision done to avoid this game, despite the massive hype. What a company does when it has its own problems? Bans its customers, rather than fix its issues. There are ways and means you can properly fix an exploit without anyone being harmed cuz of it, like doing a rollback to those accounts or removing the profits earned.
On top of that permaban without prior violations on your account remainds me of the old SOE days with SWG Pre-CU. But we all know how that ended, and they begged getting as many subs back in the game with the collapse after NGE.
Friend, your compass is skewy.
Well done ANet, keep banning the assholes and cheats and you will keep me as a customer
Originally posted by Syno23 Banning for bots, bugs exploits, and all kinds of other things. I honestly hope they send a freaking warning first, this stuff is killing me.
The warning is called "Terms of service".
I can see why some people hate that and all but many of us actually love the rare situations where the combination of greed+stupidity is punished.
3000 people I prefer not to play with just got that message
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!! (repeat ad infinitum)
Originally posted by Kaelano1 - ANet just really pissed off thousands of opportunists with half a brain. Very bad things will come of this.
I can live with GW2 losing a few thousand half-brained opportunists.
I like how you reworded that one lol *applause*
I lol'd. Seriously, in a game where in-game currency can be used to purchase cash shop currency you can't expect to get away with abusing such "opportunities".
I don't want to jump on the hate-powered, gloating, witch-hunting bandwagon here but there IS such thing as responsibility for one's actions. Some greedy kids these days seem to be unfamiliar with this notion though.
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).
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You only got perma banned if you did this hundreds of times or more, some people did it thousands of times. If you do it that many times you know it's an exploit. Period.
You got what you deserved. You will find no sympathy from legit players. Some people have been caught on reddit already with the "I did it a few times and got perma banned". They are lieing. The guy I'm talking about did it over a thousand times. You know what you're doing, and you want to come here and lie to us to try and get sympathy. Good riddance, the game will be better without you.
These reddit posts are becoming some of my favorite things to read while I'm not at home and bored. I love when people come in with long winded posts about how draconian Anet is or how they were banned for nothing and Anet comes in and posts the actual logs of exactly why they were banned. I laugh so hard each time I read one...even harder when the person is so embarassed they delete their post/account.
My Guild Wars 2 Vids
This is fucking brilliant.
I am tired of weaksauce developers acting like complete pushovers, too afraid to take any significant action against exploiters.
The game released 2 days ago and already Anet has set things straight. Exploit and be banned.
AS IT SHOULD BE. Good job Anet.
Your example is flawed, it's has nothing to do with good faith. It's about buying something at an advertised price. In the country i am from if you go to buy something and at the counter they say opps there was a mistake on the tag and it actually cost more they are legallly obliged to give let you buy it at the price on the tag.
Look at it this way it's your "bonus" reduction for finding the error in pricing on the tag and they then immiedately correct that on the tags/shelves and give shit to the guy that fraccked up his job.
I have no problems with banning exploiters and hackers and cheaters but in this case i think they went too far seeing as the mistakes was theirs. They should have assumed the responsibility and maybe like some have said rolled back the purchases on those that thought they were clever along with a temp ban warning.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
BEST BAN RESPONSE YET.
From Reddit/ArenaNet support/
Support, My name in game is Exivate. Support ticket #120830-017863. I got banned as well and would like to request the ban to be reduced to a 72 hour and/or a 24 hour rollback. There are way to many vendors in the game with so many different prices for the exact same stats. I admit I spent thousands of Karma at that vendor, and enjoyed playing with the Mystic Forge to discover different item combinations. I full expected the servers to be rolled back when I saw the hundreds of people standing around this vendor and the forge.
I did not equip these items, though I was of adequate level to do so. You only hand out a 72 hour ban to macroers/botters and a 72 hour ban to Kripparian for advertising in game exploits. These punishments do not equate. Let me know the results of your decision here or via email with my support ticket. You should have /killed this vendor when you saw it was incorrectly priced, not left it alive for over 8 hours.
[–]ArenaNetSupportTeam 47 points 2 hours ago
But if you expected a roll-back, you knew the situation represented an exploit. And yet you continued?
You exploited 2,167 time. Two thousand one hundred and sixty seven times. I will not comment further.
To put that into perspective for those who play.
2167 of those items at full price would have been 45.5million karma points.
"What's this!?!?!?!" "I got banned permanently?!?!?!" "I didn't do anything wrong! They put it in the game! If they didn't want me to do it, they shouldn't have put it in the game!" "This isn't fair!" "I shouldn't get banned just because I found a way to make fast money and did it..........a thousand time!"
Na na na na! Na na na na! Hey hey hey! Good bye!
Well not goodbye, more like see you soon .. Since Anet are allowing those that got perma banned to lower it to 72 hours if they delete the items exploited
B2P. No sub fees. Have to cut a few corners somewhere you know. Nobody rides for free. Besides, what's their motivation? This way if the people they banned want back in they'll have to spend another 60 bucks.
Not laziness, pure genius. And they get to kick a few thousand cheaters right in the privates.
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If you deliberately exploit an obvious bug (and don't even try to deny that this was an obvious bug), you should absolutely be punished. You cannot try to weasel out of it by saying it was the developers' fault for the bug being there in the first place.
However, in this case, I think the punishments were too harsh. Now it surprises me to find myself saying this, because I've probably spent the last decade thinking that I would be much, much harsher on players than any developer ever would be. But no, ArenaNet have actually dished out sterner justice that I would have done.
I think it is excessive to permanently ban a player with a clean record (and given that the game launched less than a week ago, I'm sure most of these players had clean records so far!) for profiting from a bug. I would have dished out 72-hour suspensions all round, and of course everyone involved would now no longer have a clean record, and could expect rougher justice next time around.
Also.. I hate to say it.. but there's something a little on-the-nose about enthusiastically permabanning players in a B2P game. In a sub game, you can see the tradeoff - the developer has decided that it is not worth tolerating bad behaviour in order to get their $15/month from that player. In a B2P game.. yeah, there's a smell of "we got your money, you're banned, sucks to be you." I applauded it when Blizzard was banning D2 players for using Maphack, because that was an obvious cheat. But buying incorrectly priced stuff and using it for reforging? I feel that's a warning first and a ban if you do something similar again.
Anet posted this on Reddit:
"Today we banned a number of players for exploiting Guild Wars 2. We take our community and the integrity of the game very seriously, and want to be clear that intentionally exploiting the game is unacceptable. The players we banned were certainly intentionally and repeatedly exploiting a bug in the game. We intended to send a very clear message that exploiting the game in this way will not be tolerated, and we believe this message now has been well understood.
We also believe and respect that people make mistakes. This is in fact the first example of a widespread exploit in the game. With this in mind, we are offering the members of our community who exploited the game a second chance to repair the damage that has been done.
Thus, just this once, we will offer to convert permanent bans to 72-hour suspensions. Should those involved want to accept this offer of reinstatement, contact us on our support website--support.guildwars.com—and submit a ticket through the "Ask a Question" tab. Please use the subject heading of "Karma Weapons Exploit Appeal", then confirm in the body of your ticket that you will delete any items/currency that you gained from the exploit. You should submit only one ticket. Once you have done so, we will lower your ban to 72 hours, and following your re-activation we will check your account to make sure that you have honored your commitment. If that commitment is not hindered, we will re-terminate the account.
This is a first and final warning. Moving forward, please make sure you that when you see an exploitable part of the game, you report it and do not attempt to benefit from it.
We look forward to seeing you in game,
Yours Sincerely,
Chris Whiteside- Lead Producer ArenaNet"
Those of you who wanted Anet to be merciful, you got it.
I like how you reworded that one lol *applause*
Bans have been reduced to 72 hours (posted on their facebook page) if you submit a ticket via GW2 support with the criteria outlined here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/z44ml/karma_weapons_exploit/
Anet wanted to send a clear message that they will not stand for exploiting (unlike other companies *cough* Bioware) which they have done very well. 72 hours seems like a more suitable ban period for buying a cheap weapon from a vendor a few times, ok maybe a little more then a few...
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Some1 in my guild bought 1 of those weapons to preview. Didn't work and he'll now destroy it not to be banned ;-)
I'm so happy ANet is *THIS* active on cheaters (and botters for that matter). Think I have found a new (cheater-free) home for the coming years!
Well done.
The exploiters should have known better, I mean what did they expect, for Anet to let them get away with it when they publically broadcast themselves exploiting.
Good game to Anet imo.
Friend, your compass is skewy.
Well done ANet, keep banning the assholes and cheats and you will keep me as a customer
The warning is called "Terms of service".
I can see why some people hate that and all but many of us actually love the rare situations where the combination of greed+stupidity is punished.
3000 people I prefer not to play with just got that message
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)
I lol'd. Seriously, in a game where in-game currency can be used to purchase cash shop currency you can't expect to get away with abusing such "opportunities".
I don't want to jump on the hate-powered, gloating, witch-hunting bandwagon here but there IS such thing as responsibility for one's actions. Some greedy kids these days seem to be unfamiliar with this notion though.
MMORPG genre is dead. Long live MMOCS (Massively Multiplayer Online Cash Shop).