The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
It would have to be rephrased "I found a critical mistake ArenaNet made and I abused it!". So maybe other people that didnt use this should be weary of more critical mistakes and start asking for refunds as well, since there might be more, I mean it was $60 and since its black and white like that :P
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you. It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever' Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
I actually dont agree with this here, unless there was no way for you to read that it was being checked out as button mushrooms or you just bought one and there is reasonable doubt you didnt check and saw that it was being sold as button mushrooms it wasnt theft.
If you saw they were being checked out as button mushrooms and went back for more then yeah it is clearly theft. BUT if I went to the checkout and a plasma tv went through at 50 quid instead of 300 ( not as button mushrooms but as Plasma TV 50 quid ) and the transaction took place, then I went back and bought the whole stock and no transaction was refused then it is not my fault.
There is some player fault here obviously and it should be dealt with, the people that bought 100s of weapons to resell but they also did it through ANet flawed system which is partially to blame, so there should be no penalty for people who just bought one or a couple for whatever reasons other than a rollback and a temporary ban as a slap on the wrist for those who have no reasonable way of explaining why they bought 100s. The other half of the blame is with ANet.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
You should review your facts aswell the newest so called exploit bans were over peppers where it took 10k karma to make 8 gold. Which was considered a bannable exploit. At lvl 25 it would take you 6 hours to make 1500karma worth only 1 gold on the trade system.
Your kinda making yourself and Anet look silly on that one. I'm sorry the real reason they took the auction house down was to make wvw into another zerg fest illum. Also I'm sorry that your not up on current events.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
No exploit just an opportunity, ANet put the wrong price on the item, players did not take advantage of a bug, glitch or hack they simply bought an item(s) from a vender that ANET priced wrongm for some reason thats the players fault?
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
Edit: Actually forget it all of these real world analogies are doing my head in, lets compare insurance fraud with buying items from a vendor in game, I think we should have the death penalty for anyone that uses any GW2 exploit.
Lets just agree to disagree. The context that this happened in is not the same as stealing something, you didnt use the system in any unreasonable way to achieve getting the cheap weapons, you are partially to blame because the EULA that you have signed does tell you that you shouldnt play the game in any unreasonable way that is not intended this becomes a grey area in this case you didnt modify anything, you overused an ingame mechanic but part of the mistake lies with the company that allowed this to happen in the first place and had nothing in place to revert it as soon as it was found.
ANet should take partial responsability for the mistake and rollback however bought the item and some action should be taken at their discretion to people that unreasonably used it to later try and resell it, 3 day ban, 1 month ban whatever, but 2 days after release when people had to already put up with broken things on their end I think its fairly unreasonable.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
You should review your facts aswell the newest so called exploit bans were over peppers where it took 10k karma to make 8 gold. Which was considered a bannable exploit. At lvl 25 it would take you 6 hours to make 1500karma worth only 1 gold on the trade system.
Your kinda making yourself and Anet look silly on that one. I'm sorry the real reason they took the auction house down was to make wvw into another zerg fest illum. Also I'm sorry that your not up on current events.
He also has it saved exactly how it happend on his twitch.
I was going to say thanks for the update and discussion but then you went and put ina completly random troll like sentence into the middle of your nice post. WTF does the auction house have to do with my post? and WTF does it have to do with WvW and why does that make it a zerg fest like ilum? I am baffled by your random post
If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you. It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever' Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
I am blaming the devs for pricing an item wrong. ANet messed up and players got a good deal, ANet have only themselves to blame and blaming the players for thier own mistake is a cheap move.
You all know where I stand on this issue lets say no more.
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
Edit: Actually forget it all of these real world analogies are doing my head in, lets compare insurance fraud with buying items from a vendor in game, I think we should have the death penalty for anyone that uses any GW2 exploit.
Well being banned is the death penalty of sorts... kind of like that .hack anime.
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
I am blaming the devs for pricing an item wrong. ANet messed up and players got a good deal, ANet have only themselves to blame and blaming the players for thier own mistake is a cheap move.
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
Edit: Actually forget it all of these real world analogies are doing my head in, lets compare insurance fraud with buying items from a vendor in game, I think we should have the death penalty for anyone that uses any GW2 exploit.
Well being banned is the death penalty of sorts... kind of like that .hack anime.
I edited my post with some more information. But no I meant the actual death penalty, your real life should be forfeit if you cheat in GW2.
The ethical loops you have to do to justify exploiting in a game is beyond me....
"I found an exploit and abused it!!! I shouldn't get banned they should code better!!!"
Or you could be a decent human being.....
Oh wait.
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
I am blaming the devs for pricing an item wrong. ANet messed up and players got a good deal, ANet have only themselves to blame and blaming the players for thier own mistake is a cheap move.
And blaming ANet makes you a cheap person.
If you knew it was wrong ... why did you do it?
Just for the record I didn't take part in this opportunity that Anet freely gave players. ANet are to blame... they priced the item.
I am tired of weaksauce developers acting like complete pushovers, too afraid to take any significant action against exploiters.
The game released 2 days ago and already Anet has set things straight. Exploit and be banned.
AS IT SHOULD BE. Good job Anet.
Greed is the main factor why companies using subscriptions don't prosecute such behaviour properly like Anet can afford now when they have no subs. I mean when some chief with $$ in his eyes listens to his employee who gives an idea to perma ban 3000 people they do the math: 3000 people x 12€ subs = 36.000,00 EUR lost OMG and go "U MAD" and order 3 day bans.
The exploiter however goes:
1. Exploit exploit exploit omnomonom
2. gets banned for 3 days LOL WHATEVER
3. earn thousands of preeeciousssss goooooold omonomonom
4. repeat and PROFIT?!?!? Hell yeah!
Well done ANet, and please keep it up!!
Don't get all flimsy. This is the only way to make your game better.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
No exploit just an opportunity, ANet put the wrong price on the item, players did not take advantage of a bug, glitch or hack they simply bought an item(s) from a vender that ANET priced wrongm for some reason thats the players fault?
Buying one would be an opportunity, yes but some people bought over thousand. You have to nip things like this in the bud or the whole game will be full of exploiters and cheaters.
If I was an admin and it was my game I would have banned them as well, and so would most games. Only small desperate games like MO let you get away with stuff like this because losing a player would hurt them too much.
Originally posted by Furrballs Anet must be completely batty, any exploitable flaws in game design are completely their fault, what should happen is just removing the exploited items gained and moving on, its just the nature of people to exploit something in a GAME if they can, perma bans for customers that just paid them $60+ is just insane and is incredibly bad business practice..
- the players that got banned knew that what they did was exploiting a bug and took advantage of it to make profit by a huge amount
- people that took advantage of it in a midly manner (I guess buying like 5 weapons or so?) obviously didn't got perma banned
- doing a rollback on 3000 accounts would make them have to restart them by taking away not only what they exploited but also everything else on their account additionaly.
A developer however doesn't want such people in its game, because such people tend to do the exact same thing and learn nothing from it by the next time they are getting the opportunity to do so.
In my opinion it was justified and no one can tell me that they bought like 500 weapons by "mistake" and most of all from the same type they actually don't need in the first place.
They just wanted to sell them to the vendors after to make fast coins.
Well it backfired cause ANet rightfully doesn't tolerate such things.
Other companies might be ignoring their own rules at times and closing a eye doing as if they didn't "noticed".
Some however are thankfuly fair enough to themselves and their community and thats a good thing.
A gold seller had obviously prepurchased because when I was in lions arch at the headstarts second day (or the third, I don't quite remember anymore ), he started spamming his site links with cheap gold buying and such.
Well the first thing I did was block him, the second was report him (there are two options for that in the game already).
Others reported him aswell. After a few minutes he dissappeared and never appeared again.
Standing ovation for Anet once again, ban those cheaters hardcore ban them all we dont need that kind of exploiters.
Rawr flame Anet some more kids, so far i only see they are doing the right things. And to those defending the scammers, exploiters, Go play Eve, its scammers heaven
Greed is the main factor why companies using subscriptions don't prosecute such behaviour properly like Anet can afford now when they have no subs. I mean when some chief with $$ in his eyes listens to his employee who gives an idea to perma ban 3000 people they do the math: 3000 people x 12€ subs = 36.000,00 EUR lost OMG and go "U MAD" and order 3 day bans.
The exploiter however goes:
1. Exploit exploit exploit omnomonom
2. gets banned for 3 days LOL WHATEVER
3. earn thousands of preeeciousssss goooooold omonomonom
4. repeat and PROFIT?!?!? Hell yeah!
Well done ANet, and please keep it up!!
Don't get all flimsy. This is the only way to make your game better.
Some or many of the banned players wont buy it again which means no gems or expansions bought.
If you let people get away with anything you get a bad reputation, as Lineage 2 have for botters and exploiters. That can cost you a lot more than a few banned players.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
No exploit just an opportunity, ANet put the wrong price on the item, players did not take advantage of a bug, glitch or hack they simply bought an item(s) from a vender that ANET priced wrongm for some reason thats the players fault?
Buying one would be an opportunity, yes but some people bought over thousand. You have to nip things like this in the bud or the whole game will be full of exploiters and cheaters.
If I was an admin and it was my game I would have banned them as well, and so would most games. Only small desperate games like MO let you get away with stuff like this because losing a player would hurt them too much.
So consider this I sell 50 stacks of Onions on the trading post (assuming its working) for 1c per stack, I meant to sell them for 1g but I typed in the wrong box and didin't realise. They're all bought by a few players who then list them on the TP for 1g a stack. I then realise my mistake - did these players exploit? they certinly knew Onions sell for far more, can I ask ANet to ban them? cus they took advantage of MY mistake.
Your kinda making yourself and Anet look silly on that one. I'm sorry the real reason they took the auction house down was to make wvw into another zerg fest illum. Also I'm sorry that your not up on current events.
He also has it saved exactly how it happend on his twitch.
I was going to say thanks for the update and discussion but then you went and put ina completly random troll like sentence into the middle of your nice post. WTF does the auction house have to do with my post? and WTF does it have to do with WvW and why does that make it a zerg fest like ilum? I am baffled by your random post
Because with the current setup a lvl 80 would have to mine,chop,or pick fruit, while doing random events on a non stop basis just for the guild he supports to be competitive in WvW since Seige upgrades are only good for 2 weeks or under or untill the lose said establishment. Also with the current intant prices of each seige equipment. It makes gathering gold a boring task to say the least.
Comander book alone is 100 gold. Then you have your last talent book, there is no way at max lvl your not going to have to grin in some way shape or form. So right now people just trying to have fun in WvW can only accomplist task in a Zerg type force. and just like Illum The server with the most amount of people currently on in you wvw experience will win everytime.
On the beta tests it was about strategy, but with the lowered karma,gold and raised prices your just grinding the pve and really cant afford the wvw.
It's a big issue for me atm. Especially when the only way i know to grind out money right now is iron and silver and with the auction house down, It's making it so im staying broke trewout my playing experience. Whats the point of being in wvw when I really can't contribute in any way.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
No exploit just an opportunity, ANet put the wrong price on the item, players did not take advantage of a bug, glitch or hack they simply bought an item(s) from a vender that ANET priced wrongm for some reason thats the players fault?
Buying one would be an opportunity, yes but some people bought over thousand. You have to nip things like this in the bud or the whole game will be full of exploiters and cheaters.
If I was an admin and it was my game I would have banned them as well, and so would most games. Only small desperate games like MO let you get away with stuff like this because losing a player would hurt them too much.
So consider this I sell 50 stacks of Onions on the trading post (assuming its working) for 1c per stack, I meant to sell them for 1g but I typed in the wrong box and didin't realise. They're all bought by a few players who then list them on the TP for 1g a stack. I then realise my mistake - did these players exploit? they certinly knew Onions sell for far more, can I ask ANet to ban them? cus they took advantage of MY mistake.
They should be permanently banned for exploiting the AH. We dont want people without character and cheaters in GW2.
Because with the current setup a lvl 80 would have to mine,chop,or pick fruit, while doing random events on a non stop basis just for the guild he supports to be competitive in WvW since Seige upgrades are only good for 2 weeks or under or untill the lose said establishment. Also with the current intant prices of each seige equipment. It makes gathering gold a boring task to say the least.
Comander book alone is 100 gold. Then you have your last talent book, there is no way at max lvl your not going to have to grin in some way shape or form. So right now people just trying to have fun in WvW can only accomplist task in a Zerg type force. and just like Illum The server with the most amount of people currently on in you wvw experience will win everytime.
On the beta tests it was about strategy, but with the lowered karma,gold and raised prices your just grinding the pve and really cant afford the wvw.
It's a big issue for me atm. Especially when the only way i know to grind out money right now is iron and silver and with the auction house down, It's making it so im staying broke trewout my playing experience. Whats the point of being in wvw when I really can't contribute in any way.
Sounds like playing a game is mostly a burden to you. So why play at all?
Because with the current setup a lvl 80 would have to mine,chop,or pick fruit, while doing random events on a non stop basis just for the guild he supports to be competitive in WvW since Seige upgrades are only good for 2 weeks or under or untill the lose said establishment. Also with the current intant prices of each seige equipment. It makes gathering gold a boring task to say the least.
Comander book alone is 100 gold. Then you have your last talent book, there is no way at max lvl your not going to have to grin in some way shape or form. So right now people just trying to have fun in WvW can only accomplist task in a Zerg type force. and just like Illum The server with the most amount of people currently on in you wvw experience will win everytime.
On the beta tests it was about strategy, but with the lowered karma,gold and raised prices your just grinding the pve and really cant afford the wvw.
It's a big issue for me atm. Especially when the only way i know to grind out money right now is iron and silver and with the auction house down, It's making it so im staying broke trewout my playing experience. Whats the point of being in wvw when I really can't contribute in any way.
Sounds like playing a game is mostly a burden to you. So why play at all?
Playing the game is not the problem, Working at it like it's a full time job I get paid at is the problem. Also If they had the features ingame as advertised it wouldn't be a problem at all, would it?
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It would have to be rephrased "I found a critical mistake ArenaNet made and I abused it!". So maybe other people that didnt use this should be weary of more critical mistakes and start asking for refunds as well, since there might be more, I mean it was $60 and since its black and white like that :P
We dont live in happy pink pony rainbow land.
If I were in Tesco and a plasma TV went through the self checkout as button mushroom I'd go buy 10 of em as would any one else, I am not robbing Tesco, I didn't hack their system, they made the mistake they need to suck it up and blame themselves not me and leave me with my 10 TV's that I bought legally.
Anet screwed up yet they blame players who simply took advantage of a good deal.
People defending the banned players need to review the facts before they continue to make themselves look silly.
These people bought items worth 21k karma for 21 karma. In a shop surrounded by items worth 21k~.
As the 2nd post in this thread states, the perma banned players severly exploited this. I take this to mean they bought a couple of 100 of this item. Now no one needs a couple of hundred swords do they? so obviously they knew that they should buy them and sell them off later for a nice profit. No a single one of them thought ah, I am gonna need 200 of this sword, ill buy em and put them in my bank for later...
If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'
I actually dont agree with this here, unless there was no way for you to read that it was being checked out as button mushrooms or you just bought one and there is reasonable doubt you didnt check and saw that it was being sold as button mushrooms it wasnt theft.
If you saw they were being checked out as button mushrooms and went back for more then yeah it is clearly theft. BUT if I went to the checkout and a plasma tv went through at 50 quid instead of 300 ( not as button mushrooms but as Plasma TV 50 quid ) and the transaction took place, then I went back and bought the whole stock and no transaction was refused then it is not my fault.
There is some player fault here obviously and it should be dealt with, the people that bought 100s of weapons to resell but they also did it through ANet flawed system which is partially to blame, so there should be no penalty for people who just bought one or a couple for whatever reasons other than a rollback and a temporary ban as a slap on the wrist for those who have no reasonable way of explaining why they bought 100s. The other half of the blame is with ANet.
You should review your facts aswell the newest so called exploit bans were over peppers where it took 10k karma to make 8 gold. Which was considered a bannable exploit. At lvl 25 it would take you 6 hours to make 1500karma worth only 1 gold on the trade system.
Your kinda making yourself and Anet look silly on that one. I'm sorry the real reason they took the auction house down was to make wvw into another zerg fest illum. Also I'm sorry that your not up on current events.
Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxb-anRWHrA&feature=g-hist
He also has it saved exactly how it happend on his twitch.
No exploit just an opportunity, ANet put the wrong price on the item, players did not take advantage of a bug, glitch or hack they simply bought an item(s) from a vender that ANET priced wrongm for some reason thats the players fault?
Insurance fraud is cool then?
If the insurance company doesn't catch it; it's their fault for not being thorough enough right?
The hole in your logic is that its A) its wrong and
Goverment ( state / local ) would be a better analogy than Tesco..
Take some responsibility for your own actions and be a decent human being. Don't blame devs for your lack of character.
Edit: Actually forget it all of these real world analogies are doing my head in, lets compare insurance fraud with buying items from a vendor in game, I think we should have the death penalty for anyone that uses any GW2 exploit.
Lets just agree to disagree. The context that this happened in is not the same as stealing something, you didnt use the system in any unreasonable way to achieve getting the cheap weapons, you are partially to blame because the EULA that you have signed does tell you that you shouldnt play the game in any unreasonable way that is not intended this becomes a grey area in this case you didnt modify anything, you overused an ingame mechanic but part of the mistake lies with the company that allowed this to happen in the first place and had nothing in place to revert it as soon as it was found.
ANet should take partial responsability for the mistake and rollback however bought the item and some action should be taken at their discretion to people that unreasonably used it to later try and resell it, 3 day ban, 1 month ban whatever, but 2 days after release when people had to already put up with broken things on their end I think its fairly unreasonable.
I was going to say thanks for the update and discussion but then you went and put ina completly random troll like sentence into the middle of your nice post. WTF does the auction house have to do with my post? and WTF does it have to do with WvW and why does that make it a zerg fest like ilum? I am baffled by your random post
If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'
I am blaming the devs for pricing an item wrong. ANet messed up and players got a good deal, ANet have only themselves to blame and blaming the players for thier own mistake is a cheap move.
You all know where I stand on this issue lets say no more.
Well being banned is the death penalty of sorts... kind of like that .hack anime.
And blaming ANet makes you a cheap person.
If you knew it was wrong ... why did you do it?
I edited my post with some more information. But no I meant the actual death penalty, your real life should be forfeit if you cheat in GW2.
Just for the record I didn't take part in this opportunity that Anet freely gave players. ANet are to blame... they priced the item.
Greed is the main factor why companies using subscriptions don't prosecute such behaviour properly like Anet can afford now when they have no subs. I mean when some chief with $$ in his eyes listens to his employee who gives an idea to perma ban 3000 people they do the math: 3000 people x 12€ subs = 36.000,00 EUR lost OMG and go "U MAD" and order 3 day bans.
The exploiter however goes:
1. Exploit exploit exploit omnomonom
2. gets banned for 3 days LOL WHATEVER
3. earn thousands of preeeciousssss goooooold omonomonom
4. repeat and PROFIT?!?!? Hell yeah!
Well done ANet, and please keep it up!!
Don't get all flimsy. This is the only way to make your game better.
Buying one would be an opportunity, yes but some people bought over thousand. You have to nip things like this in the bud or the whole game will be full of exploiters and cheaters.
If I was an admin and it was my game I would have banned them as well, and so would most games. Only small desperate games like MO let you get away with stuff like this because losing a player would hurt them too much.
- the players that got banned knew that what they did was exploiting a bug and took advantage of it to make profit by a huge amount
- people that took advantage of it in a midly manner (I guess buying like 5 weapons or so?) obviously didn't got perma banned
- doing a rollback on 3000 accounts would make them have to restart them by taking away not only what they exploited but also everything else on their account additionaly.
A developer however doesn't want such people in its game, because such people tend to do the exact same thing and learn nothing from it by the next time they are getting the opportunity to do so.
In my opinion it was justified and no one can tell me that they bought like 500 weapons by "mistake" and most of all from the same type they actually don't need in the first place.
They just wanted to sell them to the vendors after to make fast coins.
Well it backfired cause ANet rightfully doesn't tolerate such things.
Other companies might be ignoring their own rules at times and closing a eye doing as if they didn't "noticed".
Some however are thankfuly fair enough to themselves and their community and thats a good thing.
A gold seller had obviously prepurchased because when I was in lions arch at the headstarts second day (or the third, I don't quite remember anymore
), he started spamming his site links with cheap gold buying and such.
Well the first thing I did was block him, the second was report him (there are two options for that in the game already).
Others reported him aswell. After a few minutes he dissappeared and never appeared again.
Standing ovation for Anet once again, ban those cheaters hardcore ban them all we dont need that kind of exploiters.
Rawr flame Anet some more kids, so far i only see they are doing the right things.
And to those defending the scammers, exploiters, Go play Eve, its scammers heaven
Some or many of the banned players wont buy it again which means no gems or expansions bought.
If you let people get away with anything you get a bad reputation, as Lineage 2 have for botters and exploiters. That can cost you a lot more than a few banned players.
So consider this I sell 50 stacks of Onions on the trading post (assuming its working) for 1c per stack, I meant to sell them for 1g but I typed in the wrong box and didin't realise. They're all bought by a few players who then list them on the TP for 1g a stack. I then realise my mistake - did these players exploit? they certinly knew Onions sell for far more, can I ask ANet to ban them? cus they took advantage of MY mistake.
Because with the current setup a lvl 80 would have to mine,chop,or pick fruit, while doing random events on a non stop basis just for the guild he supports to be competitive in WvW since Seige upgrades are only good for 2 weeks or under or untill the lose said establishment. Also with the current intant prices of each seige equipment. It makes gathering gold a boring task to say the least.
Comander book alone is 100 gold. Then you have your last talent book, there is no way at max lvl your not going to have to grin in some way shape or form. So right now people just trying to have fun in WvW can only accomplist task in a Zerg type force. and just like Illum The server with the most amount of people currently on in you wvw experience will win everytime.
On the beta tests it was about strategy, but with the lowered karma,gold and raised prices your just grinding the pve and really cant afford the wvw.
It's a big issue for me atm. Especially when the only way i know to grind out money right now is iron and silver and with the auction house down, It's making it so im staying broke trewout my playing experience. Whats the point of being in wvw when I really can't contribute in any way.
They should be permanently banned for exploiting the AH. We dont want people without character and cheaters in GW2.
Sounds like playing a game is mostly a burden to you. So why play at all?
Playing the game is not the problem, Working at it like it's a full time job I get paid at is the problem. Also If they had the features ingame as advertised it wouldn't be a problem at all, would it?