Can't they just do a roll back? Or are they worried that the players who WEREN'T spending their time doing the exploit would be upset to lose progress?
It's certainly a tough situation, and I'd hate to be in Cryptics shoes right now.
This is also a concern when considering a rollback.
I like how these forums pick and choose... if a poll had 80% saying RANGER NEXT CLASS they would stand by it with forks and torches and turn it into the 11th commandment but if it is 80% saying wipe... nah that's the minority in actuality... even though we have no basis of validation.
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM yes n the official forums there's tons of voting going on and all polls are WIPE and yet they refuse. I'm completely confused atm...
There was an article some time back talking about a game company that was considering making their game free to play.
the people on "THE FORUMS" didn't want that. They voted, they screamed and ranted, they demanded.
But, the game company decided that the game would be better off f2p.
Not only was the f2p successful but they retained most of their players AND they tracked the buying habits of their forum goers/posters to discover that they were actually the people who used the cash shop the most.
Those that post on forums tend to be the people who are most invested in the game. The don't necessarily represent the entire player base but they are indeed the most passionate.
In any case, I'm a founder and I never voted. Nor do I go to the forums as I just "play the game". I wonder if there are more people out there who do the same.
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Can't they just do a roll back? Or are they worried that the players who WEREN'T spending their time doing the exploit would be upset to lose progress?
It's certainly a tough situation, and I'd hate to be in Cryptics shoes right now.
This is also a concern when considering a rollback.
this idiots thinks he is so smart.
1. Check who mailed stuff to his main account.
2. See if someone bought something of his off the AH for a huge price.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
Originally posted by furbans Really who gives a shit? Forums are renowned for being the vocal minority and Cryptic has long stated that there will be no wipe so all these polls are utterly retarded. Really the game is a faceroll and leveling is done without batting an eyelash, let the game degenerate to whatever its to become.
Actually you are right regarding this game being so damn easy why would anyone care about it being wiped one way or the other. It's basically a throw away game. It's funny that about a week ago this game had 10x the defenders it currently has on this forum. I expect that week was all they needed to complete the game.
If Cryptic or PWE did not make a poll, I am pretty sure it doesn't matter what the outcomes are....They obviously are going to go their own route on this issue and not yours.
Also for those that continually keep saying it's beta lol, come on...get real already. The day the game went "open beta", was the day the game launched. Look at it like one of those lame Facebook games, they never leave beta. The game is officially launched, no do overs on this one.
What happened sucks and they are going to deal with it their way, not yours, his, hers, or whoevers. How many online games does crap like this happen in? Dupes, xp exploits, coin exploits, etc... None of this is new and has all happened before 100 times over. Hopefully they will ban those that they find guilty, that is all you can realistically expect. Once a game is live, it's live. No rollbacks or wipes be given, it's too late for that to be an option.
If I had to guess, I'd say that some other piece(s) of data they have leads them to believe that although a higher % (in some poll data, which doesn't really mean much, considering not every player has taken it. Including myself, and the friends I have playing) want a wipe, there is a higher chance of them staying vs. if they wipe, they may feel the lower % will actually stop playing. /shrug. Like I said, that's my guess...
Coming from someone who plays and loves this game, has spent real money in their cash-shop, and possibly will stop playing if they wipe or roll me back. I'm quite casual, (37 GF and I don't foresee lvl 40 by "tomorrow"...)
I'm not cool with them screwing with my progress, or even rolling me back since I had nothing to do with any exploiting, AND I have supported PWI and planned to continue doing so via cash-shop.
Then you sir are very selfish and the game would be better off without you unfortunately... yeah I know the truth hurts... the game will be forever broken because there is no way they are tracking down every free account that exploiters used to exploit since figuring out the bug weeks ago...
I agree with him and don't think it's selfish as much as you think the game will be forever doomed.
They will do what they think is right for their game, it's their choice just like it's your choice to voice your disagreements with maturity and not saying someone is selfish for not agreeing with your 'selfish' point of view. Sorry, but the truth hurts.
Yeah because the voice of the many is always selfish compared to the voice of the few... the voice of those who don't dedicate and haven't paid a dime... Move along sir... I'm capable of being wrong in my views but this is not one I'm wrong in.
I highly doubt that the voice of 1500 players in a unofficial poll would be considered the voice of the many... I paid my share an I don't support your stance. The only people looking for a wipe are those who'd rather play the AH than play the game. If you're looking for a challenge play without the use of the AH.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Can't they just do a roll back? Or are they worried that the players who WEREN'T spending their time doing the exploit would be upset to lose progress?
It's certainly a tough situation, and I'd hate to be in Cryptics shoes right now.
This is also a concern when considering a rollback.
this idiots thinks he is so smart.
1. Check who mailed stuff to his main account.
2. See if someone bought something of his off the AH for a huge price.
What part of he got away with it don't you get? Cryptic can not and will not be dedicated enough to actually remove the exploited problem... the game is ruined without a wipe... the end.
Can't they just do a roll back? Or are they worried that the players who WEREN'T spending their time doing the exploit would be upset to lose progress?
It's certainly a tough situation, and I'd hate to be in Cryptics shoes right now.
This is also a concern when considering a rollback.
this idiots thinks he is so smart.
1. Check who mailed stuff to his main account.
2. See if someone bought something of his off the AH for a huge price.
What part of he got away with it don't you get? Cryptic can not and will not be dedicated enough to actually remove the exploited problem... the game is ruined without a wipe... the end.
God I love when Angry people post.
We have yet to know if he "got away"
Neither can you prove that cryptic will not be "dedicate" enough to fix the problem. Also Ruined means different things to different people.
Wipe your weeebooing away get logical please.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
Lowest I've seen is 60/40 in favor of wipe... how can they not do it...
They can't people have spent money, for good or for bad when you soft launch you better have your shit together.
many FTP games have reimbursed people the money there cash shop. Its not like they spent the money they have gotten so far anyway.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
How about if those of you wanting a wipe just delete your own account and start over. Since according to most of you the majority want a wipe then well that would be pretty darn close to a wipe without having to bother the rest of us.
Can't they just do a roll back? Or are they worried that the players who WEREN'T spending their time doing the exploit would be upset to lose progress?
It's certainly a tough situation, and I'd hate to be in Cryptics shoes right now.
This is also a concern when considering a rollback.
this idiots thinks he is so smart.
1. Check who mailed stuff to his main account.
2. See if someone bought something of his off the AH for a huge price.
What part of he got away with it don't you get? Cryptic can not and will not be dedicated enough to actually remove the exploited problem... the game is ruined without a wipe... the end.
God I love when Angry people post.
We have yet to know if he "got away"
Neither can you prove that cryptic will not be "dedicate" enough to fix the problem. Also Ruined means different things to different people.
Wipe your weeebooing away get logical please.
you speak of logic yet you ignore that they left 3 crucial exploits get through closed beta... the AH exploit, the 1 shot boss exploit and the foundry exploit. I should not have to speak a word further of their ability to solve problems yet you use words like "Logical" ... thank god...
Originally posted by dakotaaoc08 How about if those of you wanting a wipe just delete your own account and start over. Since according to most of you the majority want a wipe then well that would be pretty darn close to a wipe without having to bother the rest of us.
Originally posted by taziar How is the game ruined? Everything he did can also be accomplished by swiping a credit card.
yes because he and thousands of other players actually used 7,400$ on the game to do this... but by far the most sound argument I've heard on these forums, well played sir well played.
Originally posted by faxnadu vote like this should be placed on login screen not in forums, majority dont read forums they just play the game.
Why would they make voting on the situation easily accessible when they have no intention of wiping in the first place nor care about what the majority truly supports to begin with?
Cause if they did then...
I don't think that was his point. The point is no poll on any forums anywhere will ever be a valid representation of the complete player population because the entire forum population is comprised of a very specific subset of players, which excludes all kinds of other players who would never even see the poll.
Especially in the case of any event where something goes terribly wrong with the game, the specific group of players who will be flooding the forums is those who are up in arms in anger toward the developers. As such, even the players who would otherwise vote rationally now enter polls like this in a biased state. They're primed and ready to veto anything the developer is doing. In a moment of triumphant solidarity over how they're all intelligent enough to recognize the developer's incompetence, all the posters can pat each other on the back and feel the relief that comes from venting it all out.
I guarantee you, if Cryptic's current stance was that they plan to wipe the economy or characters or whatever, those very same polls would show 70% of players thinking that was a terrible idea and that Cryptic has lost their minds. Weeks wasted! they would cry. So much time and effort that they'd swear they'll never return to the game. They'd scream that Cryptic shot themselves in the foot with that decision and killed their own game. GG.
It's pretty well known that for all games less than half, usually less than 10%, of players use the forums. A forum vote doesn't prove anything. There will be 10000's of players out there that don't even know this is going on.
I vote wipe though. I don't really plan to play NW anymore, and it wasn't because of this, but I think a wipe is in 'their' best interests long term.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I think Cryptic realizes the position its in right now. You may think that the companies fulled with stupid walrus's that take naps and have an IQ of a rock but in reality these people need these jobs and if they don't fix it and keep on making money for PWE then some of there friends and colleagues and perhaps themselves will be out of a job.
This reason is what makes your past couple comments illogical, Childish, and weeboo friendly
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
Originally posted by faxnadu vote like this should be placed on login screen not in forums, majority dont read forums they just play the game.
Why would they make voting on the situation easily accessible when they have no intention of wiping in the first place nor care about what the majority truly supports to begin with?
Cause if they did then...
I don't think that was his point. The point is no poll on any forums anywhere will ever be a valid representation of the complete player population because the entire forum population is comprised of a very specific subset of players, which excludes all kinds of other players who would never even see the poll.
Especially in the case of any event where something goes terribly wrong with the game, the specific group of players who will be flooding the forums is those who are up in arms in anger toward the developers. As such, even the players who would otherwise vote rationally now enter polls like this in a biased state. They're primed and ready to veto anything the developer is doing. In a moment of triumphant solidarity over how they're all intelligent enough to recognize the developer's incompetence, all the posters can pat each other on the back and feel the relief that comes from venting it all out.
I guarantee you, if Cryptic's current stance was that they plan to wipe the economy or characters or whatever, those very same polls would show 70% of players thinking that was a terrible idea and that Cryptic has lost their minds. Weeks wasted! they would cry. So much time and effort that they'd swear they'll never return to the game. They'd scream that Cryptic shot themselves in the foot with that decision and killed their own game. GG.
This game is OPEN BETA for 2 weeks... it could have a vastly longer life if they relaunch today then if they let all the exploited progression and economy stick. they can't solve the problem not because it's impossible but because they're unwilling. I honestly don't understand how so many people see this clearly and then so many are against it... it seems clear as day that a company so f it... it is open beta and these are some of the worst problems any MMO can have... 1 shotting raid bosses and making billions of ingame currency...
I didnt vote and i am sure a lot of others havent either but for the OP to state that PW is going against the mass i suppose most players actually did vote and not only the usal rather Vocal crowd who have nothing better to do than being on a gameforum while the game is down
If you want a real vote PW would have to add a mandatory vote in the login screen or something like that and wait 1 week to give the masses the time vote.
Why would anyone even bother to start a vote on a Forum?
Its not like PE asked for the gamers opinion or anything so why act all high and mighty and start votings?
Lets see how they will handle the problem and if they dont handle it good its still time to complain.
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM yes n the official forums there's tons of voting going on and all polls are WIPE and yet they refuse. I'm completely confused atm...
Whats to be confused about? This isn't a democracy. ^^ I suspect that many, many of those voting to wipe are socket puppet accounts of people hoping to be able to grief everyone on the server. Why should everyone on the server be punished, for the actions of a relative few? It makes neither personal, nor business sense.
It's pretty well known that for all games less than half, usually less than 10%, of players use the forums. A forum vote doesn't prove anything. There will be 10000's of players out there that don't even know this is going on.
I vote wipe though. I don't really plan to play NW anymore, and it wasn't because of this, but I think a wipe is in 'their' best interests long term.
So true about the numbers. But hey i mean in the meantime everyone should know that the boards are the place for whats going on beside from social media these days.
I voted for wipe as well because it is just the right thing to do. And tbh, how long takes it to play up to 60? NW is not a game where you need 24 days for that.
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This is also a concern when considering a rollback.
excatly and mostly them are exploiders
There was an article some time back talking about a game company that was considering making their game free to play.
the people on "THE FORUMS" didn't want that. They voted, they screamed and ranted, they demanded.
But, the game company decided that the game would be better off f2p.
Not only was the f2p successful but they retained most of their players AND they tracked the buying habits of their forum goers/posters to discover that they were actually the people who used the cash shop the most.
Those that post on forums tend to be the people who are most invested in the game. The don't necessarily represent the entire player base but they are indeed the most passionate.
In any case, I'm a founder and I never voted. Nor do I go to the forums as I just "play the game". I wonder if there are more people out there who do the same.
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this idiots thinks he is so smart.
1. Check who mailed stuff to his main account.
2. See if someone bought something of his off the AH for a huge price.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
Actually you are right regarding this game being so damn easy why would anyone care about it being wiped one way or the other. It's basically a throw away game. It's funny that about a week ago this game had 10x the defenders it currently has on this forum. I expect that week was all they needed to complete the game.
If Cryptic or PWE did not make a poll, I am pretty sure it doesn't matter what the outcomes are....They obviously are going to go their own route on this issue and not yours.
Also for those that continually keep saying it's beta lol, come on...get real already. The day the game went "open beta", was the day the game launched. Look at it like one of those lame Facebook games, they never leave beta. The game is officially launched, no do overs on this one.
What happened sucks and they are going to deal with it their way, not yours, his, hers, or whoevers. How many online games does crap like this happen in? Dupes, xp exploits, coin exploits, etc... None of this is new and has all happened before 100 times over. Hopefully they will ban those that they find guilty, that is all you can realistically expect. Once a game is live, it's live. No rollbacks or wipes be given, it's too late for that to be an option.
I highly doubt that the voice of 1500 players in a unofficial poll would be considered the voice of the many... I paid my share an I don't support your stance. The only people looking for a wipe are those who'd rather play the AH than play the game. If you're looking for a challenge play without the use of the AH.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
What part of he got away with it don't you get? Cryptic can not and will not be dedicated enough to actually remove the exploited problem... the game is ruined without a wipe... the end.
They can't people have spent money, for good or for bad when you soft launch you better have your shit together.
God I love when Angry people post.
We have yet to know if he "got away"
Neither can you prove that cryptic will not be "dedicate" enough to fix the problem. Also Ruined means different things to different people.
Wipe your weeebooing away get logical please.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
many FTP games have reimbursed people the money there cash shop. Its not like they spent the money they have gotten so far anyway.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
you speak of logic yet you ignore that they left 3 crucial exploits get through closed beta... the AH exploit, the 1 shot boss exploit and the foundry exploit. I should not have to speak a word further of their ability to solve problems yet you use words like "Logical" ... thank god...
yes because he and thousands of other players actually used 7,400$ on the game to do this... but by far the most sound argument I've heard on these forums, well played sir well played.
I don't think that was his point. The point is no poll on any forums anywhere will ever be a valid representation of the complete player population because the entire forum population is comprised of a very specific subset of players, which excludes all kinds of other players who would never even see the poll.
Especially in the case of any event where something goes terribly wrong with the game, the specific group of players who will be flooding the forums is those who are up in arms in anger toward the developers. As such, even the players who would otherwise vote rationally now enter polls like this in a biased state. They're primed and ready to veto anything the developer is doing. In a moment of triumphant solidarity over how they're all intelligent enough to recognize the developer's incompetence, all the posters can pat each other on the back and feel the relief that comes from venting it all out.
I guarantee you, if Cryptic's current stance was that they plan to wipe the economy or characters or whatever, those very same polls would show 70% of players thinking that was a terrible idea and that Cryptic has lost their minds. Weeks wasted! they would cry. So much time and effort that they'd swear they'll never return to the game. They'd scream that Cryptic shot themselves in the foot with that decision and killed their own game. GG.
It's pretty well known that for all games less than half, usually less than 10%, of players use the forums. A forum vote doesn't prove anything. There will be 10000's of players out there that don't even know this is going on.
I vote wipe though. I don't really plan to play NW anymore, and it wasn't because of this, but I think a wipe is in 'their' best interests long term.
I think Cryptic realizes the position its in right now. You may think that the companies fulled with stupid walrus's that take naps and have an IQ of a rock but in reality these people need these jobs and if they don't fix it and keep on making money for PWE then some of there friends and colleagues and perhaps themselves will be out of a job.
This reason is what makes your past couple comments illogical, Childish, and weeboo friendly
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
This game is OPEN BETA for 2 weeks... it could have a vastly longer life if they relaunch today then if they let all the exploited progression and economy stick. they can't solve the problem not because it's impossible but because they're unwilling. I honestly don't understand how so many people see this clearly and then so many are against it... it seems clear as day that a company so f it... it is open beta and these are some of the worst problems any MMO can have... 1 shotting raid bosses and making billions of ingame currency...
So how many ppl did vote?
I didnt vote and i am sure a lot of others havent either but for the OP to state that PW is going against the mass i suppose most players actually did vote and not only the usal rather Vocal crowd who have nothing better to do than being on a gameforum while the game is down
If you want a real vote PW would have to add a mandatory vote in the login screen or something like that and wait 1 week to give the masses the time vote.
Why would anyone even bother to start a vote on a Forum?
Its not like PE asked for the gamers opinion or anything so why act all high and mighty and start votings?
Lets see how they will handle the problem and if they dont handle it good its still time to complain.
Whats to be confused about? This isn't a democracy. ^^ I suspect that many, many of those voting to wipe are socket puppet accounts of people hoping to be able to grief everyone on the server. Why should everyone on the server be punished, for the actions of a relative few? It makes neither personal, nor business sense.
So true about the numbers. But hey i mean in the meantime everyone should know that the boards are the place for whats going on beside from social media these days.
I voted for wipe as well because it is just the right thing to do. And tbh, how long takes it to play up to 60? NW is not a game where you need 24 days for that.
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