Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM not sure how they decided to go against the MASS #... what a sad day...
So if there are tons of polls/votes to give all the players everything for free, and people vote for that.. yet the company doesn't go with that.. would you then be confused as well?
Forums are good for feedback and a great tool for Devs, but don't expect them to always go with the crowd, they have to put their big boy pants on and make a decision for themselves at the end of the day. Keep in mind, those voting on the forums are just a fraction of the player base to be effected by a wipe, as the average player doesn't even visit them, just the Vocal Few.
This is a much more serious issue... this is the financial structure of the entire game and it's playerbase. I don't understand how someone can come up with a diluted hypothical scenario and compare it to real life that's taking place right in front of their face.
out of 1612 people . Are you sure the current NW players are that few in total? These are just vocal minorities, if you wanna go accurate they should do it in game with a voting system in place.
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM not sure how they decided to go against the MASS #... what a sad day...
So if there are tons of polls/votes to give all the players everything for free, and people vote for that.. yet the company doesn't go with that.. would you then be confused as well?
Forums are good for feedback and a great tool for Devs, but don't expect them to always go with the crowd, they have to put their big boy pants on and make a decision for themselves at the end of the day. Keep in mind, those voting on the forums are just a fraction of the player base to be effected by a wipe, as the average player doesn't even visit them, just the Vocal Few.
This is a much more serious issue... this is the financial structure of the entire game and it's playerbase. I don't understand how someone can come up with a diluted hypothical scenario and compare it to real life that's taking place right in front of their face.
I can't believe how much of a crusade you are on to make this a bigger deal than it really is... Was this your first MMO? Doesn't matter, people will forget about this in a week.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
I went legit to 60- no exploits or anything and im just now starting to get in some nice purple gear. I would be pissed if they did a wipe. I would not want to lose everything and have to start over, it would probably be the nail in the coffin for me if they did a wipe. They can ban on an individual basis, it may take a while but it could be done ,so us legit players dont have to suffer.
The 71% are idiots.
A wipe supports the products long term goal... Your refusal to wipe supports your short term goal and a very selfish stance acknowledging all the information is available to see how broken the economy is. Now I doubt you plan on playing for years until you feel the need to falsify reality to sound right in this thread because if you did plan on playing for the "LONG TERM" you'd know you would reroll a new toon anyways so the idea wouldn't be so hard to deal with.
If some guys got besster stuff couse they cheated it will not effect you in a negative way, it even otherwise you your group will be stronger when you play with them.
Some people are just jealous and wine in the forums... good then the devs are going their way and dont listen to the idiots.
I went legit to 60- no exploits or anything and im just now starting to get in some nice purple gear. I would be pissed if they did a wipe. I would not want to lose everything and have to start over, it would probably be the nail in the coffin for me if they did a wipe. They can ban on an individual basis, it may take a while but it could be done ,so us legit players dont have to suffer.
The 71% are idiots.
A wipe supports the products long term goal... Your refusal to wipe supports your short term goal and a very selfish stance acknowledging all the information is available to see how broken the economy is. Now I doubt you plan on playing for years until you feel the need to falsify reality to sound right in this thread because if you did plan on playing for the "LONG TERM" you'd know you would reroll a new toon anyways so the idea wouldn't be so hard to deal with.
I don't know about you but I play to have fun and enjoy myself not to work towards some long term goal. I have a career, savings, investments, and such for stuff like that. I doubt very much I would continue playing if they did a full wipe and would likely request the money I have spent on the game back because of it.
Not that they have any intention of doing a wipe. A broken in game economy is much more acceptable to PWI than refunding ZEN or even worse real money and anyone who has played any other PWI games should know this.
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM not sure how they decided to go against the MASS #... what a sad day...
So who did they ask obviously not the majority. Not seen any vote, as have other posters in this thread, and if i had i wouldn't have voted for a total wipe to day one anyway as that would be stupid. Why punish everyone for the actions of a few exploiters? Hell the whole thing was over in less then 24 hours and thats not enough time to get any real mass vote. Most people actually do work or take a day or 2 away from a game
Cryptic did 7 hour roll back and are handling the long term exploiters on a case by case basis. Punish the exploiters not the players. Seems like a simple rule that works
No matter how your vieuw of this matter is, its still a complete fuckup. Dont see Neverwinter as a beta game, they already took money as if it was a full release. This abuse / exploit has been ingame for quite awhile now and have totaly wrecked the economy. I know a guy who has 6 mules and only 1 got banned he can still log in his other 5...
Best to pack your bags and move on. Or play totaly free and dont care about it untill something better comes along.
I went legit to 60- no exploits or anything and im just now starting to get in some nice purple gear. I would be pissed if they did a wipe. I would not want to lose everything and have to start over, it would probably be the nail in the coffin for me if they did a wipe. They can ban on an individual basis, it may take a while but it could be done ,so us legit players dont have to suffer.
The 71% are idiots.
A wipe supports the products long term goal... Your refusal to wipe supports your short term goal and a very selfish stance acknowledging all the information is available to see how broken the economy is. Now I doubt you plan on playing for years until you feel the need to falsify reality to sound right in this thread because if you did plan on playing for the "LONG TERM" you'd know you would reroll a new toon anyways so the idea wouldn't be so hard to deal with.
I don't know about you but I play to have fun and enjoy myself not to work towards some long term goal. I have a career, savings, investments, and such for stuff like that. I doubt very much I would continue playing if they did a full wipe and would likely request the money I have spent on the game back because of it.
Not that they have any intention of doing a wipe. A broken in game economy is much more acceptable to PWI than refunding ZEN or even worse real money and anyone who has played any other PWI games should know this.
Really? So what would you consider the better investment a short term cash grab that alienates half your playerbase or a long term cash grab that alienates half your playerbase? See one way you break your game and piss people off now... the other way you fix your game and can earn money for longer... which one seems smarter?
To be honest, if they wipe, I likely won't play again. One time through even to just level 30 is enough. I've also redone the starting areas so many times trying all the classes and some twice to find which one I wanted to play, that I really don't wanna start over. lol
Originally posted by SupportPlayerMM not sure how they decided to go against the MASS #... what a sad day...
So if there are tons of polls/votes to give all the players everything for free, and people vote for that.. yet the company doesn't go with that.. would you then be confused as well?
Forums are good for feedback and a great tool for Devs, but don't expect them to always go with the crowd, they have to put their big boy pants on and make a decision for themselves at the end of the day. Keep in mind, those voting on the forums are just a fraction of the player base to be effected by a wipe, as the average player doesn't even visit them, just the Vocal Few.
This is a much more serious issue... this is the financial structure of the entire game and it's playerbase. I don't understand how someone can come up with a diluted hypothical scenario and compare it to real life that's taking place right in front of their face.
Agree. The importance of this particular game system trumps any arguement.
Lowest I've seen is 60/40 in favor of wipe... how can they not do it...
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If they don't wipe the game is dead... no one will trust it... I won't even log back in and I expect others to do the same... there has been SOOO many exploits... One shotting bosses, Foundry XP exploits and now this... with it being beta wipe is the ONLY rational option with all exploits being fixed to give this game a legitimate shot at being successful.
Because 90% of forum users like in every game are some bunch of trolls and people which don't even play the game. As i see you still mention the foundry xp bug which is fixed weeks ago, so i actually know u dont play it too.
How can any gaming publisher can trust this 90% i mentioned above.
The real potential players which are playing, dont even use forums, maybe for a guide or some tipps and nothing else.
I went legit to 60- no exploits or anything and im just now starting to get in some nice purple gear. I would be pissed if they did a wipe. I would not want to lose everything and have to start over, it would probably be the nail in the coffin for me if they did a wipe. They can ban on an individual basis, it may take a while but it could be done ,so us legit players dont have to suffer.
The 71% are idiots.
A wipe supports the products long term goal... Your refusal to wipe supports your short term goal and a very selfish stance acknowledging all the information is available to see how broken the economy is. Now I doubt you plan on playing for years until you feel the need to falsify reality to sound right in this thread because if you did plan on playing for the "LONG TERM" you'd know you would reroll a new toon anyways so the idea wouldn't be so hard to deal with.
Odd the economy wasn't broken 4 days ago why would we need to roll back the server 3 weeks? Really unless you can somehow prove the economy was broken and the majority knew it and hated it then your arguement has no logical basis.
What I find odd is you have posted in other threads you know this exploit was being used 3 weeks ago yet evidently never tried to help the long term health of the game by reporting it weither to Cryptic, or MMORPG.COM or whatever gaming newsource then which would have forced a fix in a more timely manner.
I went legit to 60- no exploits or anything and im just now starting to get in some nice purple gear. I would be pissed if they did a wipe. I would not want to lose everything and have to start over, it would probably be the nail in the coffin for me if they did a wipe. They can ban on an individual basis, it may take a while but it could be done ,so us legit players dont have to suffer.
The 71% are idiots.
A wipe supports the products long term goal... Your refusal to wipe supports your short term goal and a very selfish stance acknowledging all the information is available to see how broken the economy is. Now I doubt you plan on playing for years until you feel the need to falsify reality to sound right in this thread because if you did plan on playing for the "LONG TERM" you'd know you would reroll a new toon anyways so the idea wouldn't be so hard to deal with.
Odd the economy wasn't broken 4 days ago why would we need to roll back the server 3 weeks? Really unless you can somehow prove the economy was broken and the majority knew it and hated it then your arguement has no logical basis.
What I find odd is you have posted in other threads you know this exploit was being used 3 weeks ago yet evidently never tried to help the long term health of the game by reporting it weither to Cryptic, or MMORPG.COM or whatever gaming newsource then which would have forced a fix in a more timely manner.
Fact of the matter is that this has become a serious problem for the game, it's developers and of course for people playing it.
There isn't a single solution possible which will make everyone happy at this point, personally i am in favor of wipe however i completely understand those who would be rather unhappy about it.
About this poll and it's numbers, it's rather irrelevant to say the least simply because people who are active on forum are a vast minority when compared to the entire player base.
The roll-back solves the easiest problem (a higher then normal amount of AD on a mass of account) and does not impact the casual user greatly, in fact most will not even notice the roll-back.
Banning the serious abusers solves the bi-fold problem of having to "do" something in case they want to dispute people doing chargeback claims and removes a healthy chunk of duped AD from the less bright part of the community.
The economy can be worked on in the coming months in order to get it more in balance (via gold-sinks and expensive vanity items)
On the other hand wiping the servers would ofc solve all the economy issues but cost a minor fortune in labour costs and drive off a good chunk of the community who did not exploit and now have to pay the price, seeing all the time they spent going down the drain and forcing them to re-play content that have already done.
So ask your self again... Why would they choose to wipe...
Cryptic doesn't care. They are in this for the money. They pump out short "mmos," get some people to pay, and then go back to pumping out more. This isn't a secret... they don't put much into their games... It is your choice to play and you can't act shocked when things go down like this...
This is your F2P future. Little content, little effort, and you get your "free" game...
The roll-back solves the easiest problem (a higher then normal amount of AD on a mass of account) and does not impact the casual user greatly, in fact most will not even notice the roll-back.
Banning the serious abusers solves the bi-fold problem of having to "do" something in case they want to dispute people doing chargeback claims and removes a healthy chunk of duped AD from the less bright part of the community.
The economy can be worked on in the coming months in order to get it more in balance (via gold-sinks and expensive vanity items)
On the other hand wiping the servers would ofc solve all the economy issues but cost a minor fortune in labour costs and drive off a good chunk of the community who did not exploit and now have to pay the price, seeing all the time they spent going down the drain and forcing them to re-play content that have already done.
So ask your self again... Why would they choose to wipe...
Also 70% of 2-5% is still not a majority.
they're losing either way, it's a fun f2p game fixing it will always allow it to be respected and new clientele will be able ot trust the company, sweeping it under the rug will result in this being brought up in every cryptic thread forever and it will most likely never be forgiven by those jaded. Someone complaining a year down the road about a wipe while a company claims OPEN BETA in their public address will be called morons and told to stfu because let's be honest they should due to this situation.
The roll-back solves the easiest problem (a higher then normal amount of AD on a mass of account) and does not impact the casual user greatly, in fact most will not even notice the roll-back.
Banning the serious abusers solves the bi-fold problem of having to "do" something in case they want to dispute people doing chargeback claims and removes a healthy chunk of duped AD from the less bright part of the community.
The economy can be worked on in the coming months in order to get it more in balance (via gold-sinks and expensive vanity items)
On the other hand wiping the servers would ofc solve all the economy issues but cost a minor fortune in labour costs and drive off a good chunk of the community who did not exploit and now have to pay the price, seeing all the time they spent going down the drain and forcing them to re-play content that have already done.
So ask your self again... Why would they choose to wipe...
Also 70% of 2-5% is still not a majority.
they're losing either way, it's a fun f2p game fixing it will always allow it to be respected and new clientele will be able ot trust the company, sweeping it under the rug will result in this being brought up in every cryptic thread forever and it will most likely never be forgiven by those jaded. Someone complaining a year down the road about a wipe while a company claims OPEN BETA in their public address will be called morons and told to stfu because let's be honest they should due to this situation.
So if they are loosing any way, why take the option that will piss off the largest amount of players and increase the loss for the company financially even more.
In a few months most people will not remember this any way (in fact my guess is that most people had no idea this was going on, and a healthy chunk still do not know what was going on.)
So again.. explain to me why they should choose the most costly and damaging option... Just because a vocal minority demands it
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This is a much more serious issue... this is the financial structure of the entire game and it's playerbase. I don't understand how someone can come up with a diluted hypothical scenario and compare it to real life that's taking place right in front of their face.
out of 1612 people . Are you sure the current NW players are that few in total? These are just vocal minorities, if you wanna go accurate they should do it in game with a voting system in place.
I can't believe how much of a crusade you are on to make this a bigger deal than it really is... Was this your first MMO? Doesn't matter, people will forget about this in a week.
A wipe supports the products long term goal... Your refusal to wipe supports your short term goal and a very selfish stance acknowledging all the information is available to see how broken the economy is. Now I doubt you plan on playing for years until you feel the need to falsify reality to sound right in this thread because if you did plan on playing for the "LONG TERM" you'd know you would reroll a new toon anyways so the idea wouldn't be so hard to deal with.
Its a great day...The game is free to play. Did not cost a dime to the 90% who dont pay..I retired retroactively..Haha
Wipe is total stupid !
Why should they wipe a PvE game ?
If some guys got besster stuff couse they cheated it will not effect you in a negative way, it even otherwise you your group will be stronger when you play with them.
Some people are just jealous and wine in the forums... good then the devs are going their way and dont listen to the idiots.
Step in the arena and break the wall down
I don't know about you but I play to have fun and enjoy myself not to work towards some long term goal. I have a career, savings, investments, and such for stuff like that. I doubt very much I would continue playing if they did a full wipe and would likely request the money I have spent on the game back because of it.
Not that they have any intention of doing a wipe. A broken in game economy is much more acceptable to PWI than refunding ZEN or even worse real money and anyone who has played any other PWI games should know this.
you win this round Popple even though your 90% is a made up number... those who didn't pay did win.
So who did they ask obviously not the majority. Not seen any vote, as have other posters in this thread, and if i had i wouldn't have voted for a total wipe to day one anyway as that would be stupid. Why punish everyone for the actions of a few exploiters? Hell the whole thing was over in less then 24 hours and thats not enough time to get any real mass vote. Most people actually do work or take a day or 2 away from a game
Cryptic did 7 hour roll back and are handling the long term exploiters on a case by case basis. Punish the exploiters not the players. Seems like a simple rule that works
No matter how your vieuw of this matter is, its still a complete fuckup.
Dont see Neverwinter as a beta game, they already took money as if it was a full release.
This abuse / exploit has been ingame for quite awhile now and have totaly wrecked the economy.
I know a guy who has 6 mules and only 1 got banned he can still log in his other 5...
Best to pack your bags and move on.
Or play totaly free and dont care about it untill something better comes along.
A total fuckup once again Cryptic.
Protector's Enclave was packed this morning. Yeah, this KILLED the game.
Protip: Most players don't care. The game is still fun.
Really? So what would you consider the better investment a short term cash grab that alienates half your playerbase or a long term cash grab that alienates half your playerbase? See one way you break your game and piss people off now... the other way you fix your game and can earn money for longer... which one seems smarter?
Agree. The importance of this particular game system trumps any arguement.
Because 90% of forum users like in every game are some bunch of trolls and people which don't even play the game. As i see you still mention the foundry xp bug which is fixed weeks ago, so i actually know u dont play it too.
How can any gaming publisher can trust this 90% i mentioned above.
The real potential players which are playing, dont even use forums, maybe for a guide or some tipps and nothing else.
Odd the economy wasn't broken 4 days ago why would we need to roll back the server 3 weeks? Really unless you can somehow prove the economy was broken and the majority knew it and hated it then your arguement has no logical basis.
What I find odd is you have posted in other threads you know this exploit was being used 3 weeks ago yet evidently never tried to help the long term health of the game by reporting it weither to Cryptic, or MMORPG.COM or whatever gaming newsource then which would have forced a fix in a more timely manner.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/385386/Wait-this-bug-existed-in-STO-another-PWE-game-and-they-still-let-it-go-through-to-NW-.html
Fact of the matter is that this has become a serious problem for the game, it's developers and of course for people playing it.
There isn't a single solution possible which will make everyone happy at this point, personally i am in favor of wipe however i completely understand those who would be rather unhappy about it.
About this poll and it's numbers, it's rather irrelevant to say the least simply because people who are active on forum are a vast minority when compared to the entire player base.
The way i see it is very simple
it breaks down as the following.
The roll-back solves the easiest problem (a higher then normal amount of AD on a mass of account) and does not impact the casual user greatly, in fact most will not even notice the roll-back.
Banning the serious abusers solves the bi-fold problem of having to "do" something in case they want to dispute people doing chargeback claims and removes a healthy chunk of duped AD from the less bright part of the community.
The economy can be worked on in the coming months in order to get it more in balance (via gold-sinks and expensive vanity items)
On the other hand wiping the servers would ofc solve all the economy issues but cost a minor fortune in labour costs and drive off a good chunk of the community who did not exploit and now have to pay the price, seeing all the time they spent going down the drain and forcing them to re-play content that have already done.
So ask your self again... Why would they choose to wipe...
Also 70% of 2-5% is still not a majority.
This have been a good conversation
Cryptic doesn't care. They are in this for the money. They pump out short "mmos," get some people to pay, and then go back to pumping out more. This isn't a secret... they don't put much into their games... It is your choice to play and you can't act shocked when things go down like this...
This is your F2P future. Little content, little effort, and you get your "free" game...
they're losing either way, it's a fun f2p game fixing it will always allow it to be respected and new clientele will be able ot trust the company, sweeping it under the rug will result in this being brought up in every cryptic thread forever and it will most likely never be forgiven by those jaded. Someone complaining a year down the road about a wipe while a company claims OPEN BETA in their public address will be called morons and told to stfu because let's be honest they should due to this situation.
So if they are loosing any way, why take the option that will piss off the largest amount of players and increase the loss for the company financially even more.
In a few months most people will not remember this any way (in fact my guess is that most people had no idea this was going on, and a healthy chunk still do not know what was going on.)
So again.. explain to me why they should choose the most costly and damaging option... Just because a vocal minority demands it
This have been a good conversation
You mean the majority of players that don't care, or don't even know what happened?
Official forums do not represent masses. Wiping the game on basis of this poll would be a blunder. I am glad they didn't follow it.