You know i just had my roof done by "pro" roofers. does that mean roofing is now a sport? If the file guy at my job puts forth the effort to do his job faster then anyone else, is filing now a sport? I think we need to cover context when talking about this now.
A Sport
For Sport
Two different meanings.
"e-sports" is not A sport.
People do it FOR sport.
Say what you want about the subject. It will not change my mind at all. Stupid subject.
+1 for eloquence.
Also this just in: Nerds everywhere rejoice as they are no longer degraded as "Mathletes", but will join their brothers and sisters as simply "Athletes".
Originally posted by Theocritus Yeah Im sorry but to compare gamers with athletes is a total joke.....Im sorry people but these guys aren't heroes or anything else for that matter....What they msot likely are is people that have too much time on their hands and nothing else to do....Kinda reminds me of the guys who were quitting college or their jobs to become professional guitar hero players.
they are not athletics but esport is a sport like poker or fishing or driving cars is.
and yes even gamers have a work out programm to train there reflexes. they dont play all day, they do sports and psychologic trainings to stay fit mentally
lol no, mashing keys and turning with a mouse aren't a skill, my secretary could do that if I trained her properly. You're on to something at least, "not like basketball or football" which are actually sports.
Chess and poker aren't sports either, they're freaking games. Just because something is competitive doesn't make it a sport, otherwise we could add risk and monopoly to the list.
The government has not said the e-sport players are athletic in the same way as, say a professional football player. They did not say StVicious (a LoL pro player) is equal to Joe Montana.
What the government did is recognize that e-sport players have the same demands on international travel that sports athletes often face. By clumping them into the same category they streamline the process of getting travel Visas either into the country for those coming to the US or for US citizens to get travel visas to countries that require them (like China).
If you have ever had to get a travel visa to a place like China you know the pain that it can be. Not only does it require a lot of paperwork (including introductory letters from the company that is hosting you, letters from your own employer that is sending you) it can be expensive (several hundred dollars sometimes).
If you are going to argue about something at least keep in in context.
The government has not said the e-sport players are athletic in the same way as, say a professional football player. They did not say StVicious (a LoL pro player) is equal to Joe Montana.
What the government did is recognize that e-sport players have the same demands on international travel that sports athletes often face. By clumping them into the same category they streamline the process of getting travel Visas either into the country for those coming to the US or for US citizens to get travel visas to countries that require them (like China).
If you have ever had to get a travel visa to a place like China you know the pain that it can be. Not only does it require a lot of paperwork (including introductory letters from the company that is hosting you, letters from your own employer that is sending you) it can be expensive (several hundred dollars sometimes).
If you are going to argue about something at least keep in in context.
lol no, mashing keys and turning with a mouse aren't a skill, my secretary could do that if I trained her properly. You're on to something at least, "not like basketball or football" which are actually sports.
Chess and poker aren't sports either, they're freaking games. Just because something is competitive doesn't make it a sport, otherwise we could add risk and monopoly to the list.
Sure why not, if there is a competitive official league with a ranked ladder and monetization for monopoly and risk
I have my own definition for sports you have yours
In the end no fucks are given if pro-league of legends/stacraft players get visas or not
"It has potential" -Second most used phrase on existence "It sucks" -Most used phrase on existence
The government has not said the e-sport players are athletic in the same way as, say a professional football player. They did not say StVicious (a LoL pro player) is equal to Joe Montana.
What the government did is recognize that e-sport players have the same demands on international travel that sports athletes often face. By clumping them into the same category they streamline the process of getting travel Visas either into the country for those coming to the US or for US citizens to get travel visas to countries that require them (like China).
If you have ever had to get a travel visa to a place like China you know the pain that it can be. Not only does it require a lot of paperwork (including introductory letters from the company that is hosting you, letters from your own employer that is sending you) it can be expensive (several hundred dollars sometimes).
If you are going to argue about something at least keep in in context.
Ok, I can live with this, but do you mind if I continue to amuse myself?
Originally posted by KingGator There is no such thing as an esport, if you can be 400 lbs and good at something it isn't a damn sport. smh lol
Don't think I've seen any pro gamers pushing 400 lbs. Most of them are scrawny kids, though.
However.. if you look at some of the more classical sports out there, they're not that buff either.
Sport:
- Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
Not that I'm huge on esports, but there is a physical component to them as well (even though we don't think of them that way). As I understand it things like nutrition, excertcise, etc. do come into play, to make sure people's hands don't twitch out, lock up, or slow during a competition.
It's also fairly well known that, while it's possible to be 400 lbs and function on a computer, you do function a lot better if you're healthy, and that science has carried over into esports (especially be the larger, sponsored teams).
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The government has not said the e-sport players are athletic in the same way as, say a professional football player. They did not say StVicious (a LoL pro player) is equal to Joe Montana.
What the government did is recognize that e-sport players have the same demands on international travel that sports athletes often face. By clumping them into the same category they streamline the process of getting travel Visas either into the country for those coming to the US or for US citizens to get travel visas to countries that require them (like China).
If you have ever had to get a travel visa to a place like China you know the pain that it can be. Not only does it require a lot of paperwork (including introductory letters from the company that is hosting you, letters from your own employer that is sending you) it can be expensive (several hundred dollars sometimes).
If you are going to argue about something at least keep in in context.
I call BS.
Otherwise the BBB would be asking for all international business persons to be classified as "athletes" so they could get visas.
Nice try with the "straw-man" argument though.
Next up: "Forum-Sport", going to copyright that, a sport of witty comments and pointless arguments. Wrinkle those brains all, tryouts are in a week.
"US Government figures out how to track and tax eSports players"
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Lol.. this thread... I am beginning to suspect most of the people who say "lol it ain't a sport" couldn't even hack it as a semi-pro in those games... and the rest are probably ...well something akin to this guy:
Lol.. this thread... I am beginning to suspect most of the people who say "lol it ain't a sport" couldn't even hack it as a semi-pro in those games... and the rest are probably ...well something akin to this guy:
LOL Personally, I could care less what people call what a sport. I doubt the government does too. The main difference here is that the P1 athlete visa costs more than a normal temp visa for visiting the US. Good way for them to make more money.
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Lol.. this thread... I am beginning to suspect most of the people who say "lol it ain't a sport" couldn't even hack it as a semi-pro in those games... and the rest are probably ...well something akin to this guy:
So "If I can't do it as good as everyone else" it is a sport?
I support "pro-gaming" where one might be able to make a living playing video games, but I do NOT think of that as being an athlete.
Nascar isnt a sport either than right? Or Poker? Or Fishing?
Sorry but theres money to be made, and Id rather us nerds get a chance at doing what we love for a profit.
No poker is not a sport at all and neither is gaming.
From the dictionary:
sport - anathletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
It is the same reason the Olympics have denied repeated attempts to get chess in because it is a game and not a sport.
It is critical to realize this isn't a dig at non-sports. Many games can take a lot of skill to do well in and that should be recognized at a professional level. However, they should not EVER be called sports because they are GAMES. You don't just start calling dogs elephants because you think there is more importance attached to the word elephant. You use the proper term for the proper things.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
I support "pro-gaming" where one might be able to make a living playing video games, but I do NOT think of that as being an athlete.
lol tell that to the Koreans who's national sport is Starcraft. It actually takes skill to play these games on a competitive level. Just like someone who's playing football needs to be athletic.
Athleticism is what defines something as a sport (see the post above yours) that is what people keep messing up. No none athletic activity is a sport.
I don't know why people get so offended that games are called games when that is what they are. Nothing says games can't require extreme levels of skill to compete at the top levels.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
The user and all related content has been deleted.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
I support "pro-gaming" where one might be able to make a living playing video games, but I do NOT think of that as being an athlete.
Nascar isnt a sport either than right? Or Poker? Or Fishing?
Sorry but theres money to be made, and Id rather us nerds get a chance at doing what we love for a profit.
No poker is not a sport at all and neither is gaming.
From the dictionary:
sport - anathletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
It is the same reason the Olympics have denied repeated attempts to get chess in because it is a game and not a sport.
It is critical to realize this isn't a dig at non-sports. Many games can take a lot of skill to do well in and that should be recognized at a professional level. However, they should not EVER be called sports because they are GAMES. You don't just start calling dogs elephants because you think there is more importance attached to the word elephant. You use the proper term for the proper things.
You're missing the point. Baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, American football, football, and etc. are also just games you don't automatically change their ruling when they go to the "professional" level. These things require physical endurance while games like chess, checkers, We qui (go), and certain video games require high amounts of mental processing.
Playing video games is not A sport
People may play then FOR sport, but that does not make it A sport.
I support "pro-gaming" where one might be able to make a living playing video games, but I do NOT think of that as being an athlete.
Nascar isnt a sport either than right? Or Poker? Or Fishing?
Sorry but theres money to be made, and Id rather us nerds get a chance at doing what we love for a profit.
No poker is not a sport at all and neither is gaming.
From the dictionary:
sport - anathletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
It is the same reason the Olympics have denied repeated attempts to get chess in because it is a game and not a sport.
It is critical to realize this isn't a dig at non-sports. Many games can take a lot of skill to do well in and that should be recognized at a professional level. However, they should not EVER be called sports because they are GAMES. You don't just start calling dogs elephants because you think there is more importance attached to the word elephant. You use the proper term for the proper things.
You're missing the point. Baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, American football, football, and etc. are also just games you don't automatically change their ruling when they go to the "professional" level. These things require physical endurance while games like chess, checkers, We qui (go), and certain video games require high amounts of mental processing.
Playing video games is not A sport
People may play then FOR sport, but that does not make it A sport.
/endthread.
Everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an asshole. Just like an asshole, opinions are full of shit and we all know people can tolerate their "smell" much better than other people's.
I support "pro-gaming" where one might be able to make a living playing video games, but I do NOT think of that as being an athlete.
lol tell that to the Koreans who's national sport is Starcraft. It actually takes skill to play these games on a competitive level. Just like someone who's playing football needs to be athletic.
Athleticism is what defines something as a sport (see the post above yours) that is what people keep messing up. No none athletic activity is a sport.
I don't know why people get so offended that games are called games when that is what they are. Nothing says games can't require extreme levels of skill to compete at the top levels.
A physical game (baseball, soccer, football, rugby, and etc) is no different that and mental game (chess, checkers, We Qui (Go), and video games) they're all just games. You're completely changing the actual point of the activity by slapping Athleticism onto the the title rather than a game.
No actually I'm not changing anything, I'm using the English language. Those who try to stick sport on games are changing definitions.
I like gaming. I think professional gaming should exist (just as professional chess has existed for a couple hundred years now). There is NOTHING WRONG with being called a GAME. However, at no point in time, ever, anywhere, are video games a sport. A sport BY DEFINITION is defined by being an ATHLETIC GAME.
There is no arguments here. Only definitions that can't be changed and people who feel that for some reason professional gaming is slighted if it isn't called a sport.
Originally posted by SBFord According to a new tweet on League of Legends' Leigh Smith's account, the US government now recognizes esports players on a par with the NBA, NFL, NHL and more. It entitles participants to travel visas for gaming events.
That's just cool. Kind of weird, like that movie about the Nintendo Power Glove predicted the future or something, but still cool.
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+1 for eloquence.
Also this just in: Nerds everywhere rejoice as they are no longer degraded as "Mathletes", but will join their brothers and sisters as simply "Athletes".
they are not athletics but esport is a sport like poker or fishing or driving cars is.
and yes even gamers have a work out programm to train there reflexes. they dont play all day, they do sports and psychologic trainings to stay fit mentally
lol no, mashing keys and turning with a mouse aren't a skill, my secretary could do that if I trained her properly. You're on to something at least, "not like basketball or football" which are actually sports.
Chess and poker aren't sports either, they're freaking games. Just because something is competitive doesn't make it a sport, otherwise we could add risk and monopoly to the list.
Talk about taking something way out of context.
The government has not said the e-sport players are athletic in the same way as, say a professional football player. They did not say StVicious (a LoL pro player) is equal to Joe Montana.
What the government did is recognize that e-sport players have the same demands on international travel that sports athletes often face. By clumping them into the same category they streamline the process of getting travel Visas either into the country for those coming to the US or for US citizens to get travel visas to countries that require them (like China).
If you have ever had to get a travel visa to a place like China you know the pain that it can be. Not only does it require a lot of paperwork (including introductory letters from the company that is hosting you, letters from your own employer that is sending you) it can be expensive (several hundred dollars sometimes).
If you are going to argue about something at least keep in in context.
On this site???
Sure why not, if there is a competitive official league with a ranked ladder and monetization for monopoly and risk
I have my own definition for sports you have yours
In the end no fucks are given if pro-league of legends/stacraft players get visas or not
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
Ok, I can live with this, but do you mind if I continue to amuse myself?
Don't think I've seen any pro gamers pushing 400 lbs. Most of them are scrawny kids, though.
However.. if you look at some of the more classical sports out there, they're not that buff either.
Sport:
- Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
Not that I'm huge on esports, but there is a physical component to them as well (even though we don't think of them that way). As I understand it things like nutrition, excertcise, etc. do come into play, to make sure people's hands don't twitch out, lock up, or slow during a competition.
It's also fairly well known that, while it's possible to be 400 lbs and function on a computer, you do function a lot better if you're healthy, and that science has carried over into esports (especially be the larger, sponsored teams).
Well, I assume this would be on par with allowing professional chess players to obtain visas to attend matches in other countries.
Many of you are too young to remember the classic cold war matches in the 1970's like Bobby Fischer vs Boris Spassky.
So if anything all this announcement does is recognize these as legitimate competitive "games", and not actual sports. (which they aren't)
Good new for Monopoly, Farmville and Candy Crush Saga "professionals" as well I'm sure.
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I call BS.
Otherwise the BBB would be asking for all international business persons to be classified as "athletes" so they could get visas.
Nice try with the "straw-man" argument though.
Next up: "Forum-Sport", going to copyright that, a sport of witty comments and pointless arguments. Wrinkle those brains all, tryouts are in a week.
That's a good thing?
"US Government figures out how to track and tax eSports players"
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Lol.. this thread... I am beginning to suspect most of the people who say "lol it ain't a sport" couldn't even hack it as a semi-pro in those games... and the rest are probably ...well something akin to this guy:
LOL Personally, I could care less what people call what a sport. I doubt the government does too. The main difference here is that the P1 athlete visa costs more than a normal temp visa for visiting the US. Good way for them to make more money.
"Envy me. That's my wife. Those are my kids and I sell womens' shoes."
So "If I can't do it as good as everyone else" it is a sport?
No poker is not a sport at all and neither is gaming.
From the dictionary:
sport - an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
It is the same reason the Olympics have denied repeated attempts to get chess in because it is a game and not a sport.
It is critical to realize this isn't a dig at non-sports. Many games can take a lot of skill to do well in and that should be recognized at a professional level. However, they should not EVER be called sports because they are GAMES. You don't just start calling dogs elephants because you think there is more importance attached to the word elephant. You use the proper term for the proper things.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Athleticism is what defines something as a sport (see the post above yours) that is what people keep messing up. No none athletic activity is a sport.
I don't know why people get so offended that games are called games when that is what they are. Nothing says games can't require extreme levels of skill to compete at the top levels.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Playing video games is not A sport
People may play then FOR sport, but that does not make it A sport.
/endthread.
Everyone has an opinion just like everyone has an asshole. Just like an asshole, opinions are full of shit and we all know people can tolerate their "smell" much better than other people's.
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No actually I'm not changing anything, I'm using the English language. Those who try to stick sport on games are changing definitions.
I like gaming. I think professional gaming should exist (just as professional chess has existed for a couple hundred years now). There is NOTHING WRONG with being called a GAME. However, at no point in time, ever, anywhere, are video games a sport. A sport BY DEFINITION is defined by being an ATHLETIC GAME.
There is no arguments here. Only definitions that can't be changed and people who feel that for some reason professional gaming is slighted if it isn't called a sport.
That's just cool. Kind of weird, like that movie about the Nintendo Power Glove predicted the future or something, but still cool.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.