Maybe I should go on the Age of Wushu forum and post some numbers I've pulled right out of nowhere to bash the game. Just so, for no real reason, just because I can.
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On second thought, I won't do that. Because I'm better than that.
Don't be so sensitive. What I said is true. The game is not growing. Did you miss where I said there is still a good population?
I was sure you would miss the point I was trying to make, and you did not fail.
The idea was to try to tell you to spend more time on forums of games you enjoy instead of posting worthless numbers pulled out of unreliable third party websites just to bash games you dislike. There's absolutely no proof of the game not growing in those numbers from xfire, and I'm sure that deep within yourself, you know it too.
I was suggesting something similar to what I am doing, actually. Don't you think that it's pleasant not having me being almost every day on the AoW forums bashing the game? I would have hoped the courtesy to be returned... I was wrong, obviously. Almost one year after GW2 release, you're still here bashing the game with imaginary "facts" and numbers.
One question, do you honestly believe GW2s pop has grown since launch?
sidenote- in car on phone. Save me the time and post your Wushu pos here. Ty
It's what he does. The fact that they just recently had to increase the server population caps yet again probably doesn't mean anything, you know?
That dont' mean anything.
A while ago, every server was very high. But that don't make sense. One of the server at peak time have 5 people doing Maw.
When people start asking Anet, they changed a bunch of server to medium, and high.
Now they just revert everything back to high and very high. For whatever reason.
They didnt' necessary increase the server cap. They just dont' want you to move there. And tier 1, 2 server will always be full. Since people keep moving there and new people will try to get in there first.
There is many server hopping happening. I know in 1 month half of the wvw guild on 1 server hop to another to get in tier 1. That just mean more people in tier 1 and the other server have less people.
One question, do you honestly believe GW2s pop has grown since launch?
sidenote- in car on phone. Save me the time and post your Wushu pos here. Ty
I'm not sure if it grow. But population have actually been stable.
I know they pretty much loss like half the player in 1 month which is like 1.5 million. But after that for some reason population have been quite stable. You can check the achievement point for that.
Their update have actually been decent, they kept pumping up small patch every couple week. That helps people playing. And being a free game(after you buy the box). I think that help people stay in the game.
Originally posted by rastapastor I don't use xfire and all my friends dont
xfire is the tool of the misled. They use it to their advantage when they think it will favor them, but it does nothing but make them look silly. I know of no one personally that uses xfire, and I don't use it either. The only reason I do know of it is because everyone whips it around here like it's suppose to mean something.
What I do know is I can now see how many people are playing GW2 that culling has been lifted. This was at 4am this morning.Lions Arch no culling. And no, I'm not using the photo to justify population growth, only that there are a crap load of people doing something on GW2, and I'm one of those people. What we ARE doing is having fun, even in the wee hours of the morning.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
all i know is seems like whatever zone I am farming in I run across people at all hours of the night and day. Lions Arch seems to be crowded and stuff moves well on the TP. As long as those things are happening I don't give a darn if they have a million players or 1000.
Last night during the events I was running with a huge crowd, probably somewhere between 100 - 250 peeps zerging the events, and we were only one group in of many in that zone and on a overflow server at that
Originally posted by Jackdog all i know is seems like whatever zone I am farming in I run across people at all hours of the night and day. Lions Arch seems to be crowded and stuff moves well on the TP. As long as those things are happening I don't give a darn if they have a million players or 1000.
And you sir win the GW2 fan award. You're enjoying yourself in the game, you're happy that you have people to play with and don't give a rats ass if GW2 has a million or 1000 players. If only the rest of these 'GW2 fans" were like you there wouldn't be so many people trying to prove them wrong.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter I think GW2 has over 1.5 million players.
I can't express just how wrong you are. At most, GW2 is looking at 800k currently active players. Thats being very very gracious.
GW2 with 800K active players generate the equivalent of 700K $15 subs revenue per month in a game that is buy the box to play?
The GW2 official site show half the unique visitors it had during release (300K->160K). So does guildwars2guru.
What is that statistic? Only 10% of the players visit the forums?
I'll break it down for you.
GW2 Q2 sales is 28,899 million Won excluding loyalty. Which is equals to 25.86 million US$. That means in 1 month they make 8.62 million dollar. Which is equivalent to 575k sub which pay 15$.
Now the question become how many new people buy GW2 box. Which could explain their sales number, if they actually have more new players coming in GW2.
But I dont' think there is anyway of telling. Since GW2 is essentially a cash shop game. And in cash shop game, you could have some high paying player spending enourmous amount of money.
The only official number we got is 3 million were sold as of january 2013. Now the question become how many more copies were sold.
I think 1.5million active player is probably a push. Consider if you check people's achievement point, half of them almost have nothing. So unless many more copies of GW2 have been sold that'll be hard to reach.
Again you can't use sales to determine population. If you actually believe GW2 is doing well, and have many new players joining. A 50k increase per month could mean 2.5 million in sale. Those are just too hard to tell.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter I think GW2 has over 1.5 million players.
I can't express just how wrong you are. At most, GW2 is looking at 800k currently active players. Thats being very very gracious.
GW2 with 800K active players generate the equivalent of 700K $15 subs revenue per month in a game that is buy the box to play?
The GW2 official site show half the unique visitors it had during release (300K->160K). So does guildwars2guru.
What is that statistic? Only 10% of the players visit the forums?
I'll break it down for you.
GW2 Q2 sales is 28,899 million Won excluding loyalty. Which is equals to 25.86 million US$. That means in 1 month they make 8.62 million dollar. Which is equivalent to 575k sub which pay 15$.
Now the question become how many new people buy GW2 box. Which could explain their sales number, if they actually have more new players coming in GW2.
But I dont' think there is anyway of telling. Since GW2 is essentially a cash shop game. And in cash shop game, you could have some high paying player spending enourmous amount of money.
The only official number we got is 3 million were sold as of january 2013. Now the question become how many more copies were sold.
I think 1.5million active player is probably a push. Consider if you check people's achievement point, half of them almost have nothing. So unless many more copies of GW2 have been sold that'll be hard to reach.
Again you can't use sales to determine population. If you actually believe GW2 is doing well, and have many new players joining. A 50k increase per month could mean 2.5 million in sale. Those are just too hard to tell.
How is this done?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter I think GW2 has over 1.5 million players.
I can't express just how wrong you are. At most, GW2 is looking at 800k currently active players. Thats being very very gracious.
GW2 with 800K active players generate the equivalent of 700K $15 subs revenue per month in a game that is buy the box to play?
The GW2 official site show half the unique visitors it had during release (300K->160K). So does guildwars2guru.
What is that statistic? Only 10% of the players visit the forums?
Depend what you believe.
The absolute truth is half of the GW2 players have almost no AP. So they already quit after 1-3 month. ( actually more like a few days)
Gw2 sold 3million copies as of january. Now the question become how many new copies it sell.
It's too hard to tell from the sales, because there is no way of telling how much % of that is from gem store or people actually buying new copy of GW2.
If you actually believe GW2 is doing well, those sale number make sense, because a high percent of that could be just new people buying new copy of GW2.
I think 1.5million active player is probably a push. Consider if you check people's achievement point, half of them almost have nothing. So unless many more copies of GW2 have been sold that'll be hard to reach.
How is this done?
Actually not that easy to do. If you have a GW2 account you can check what "percnetile" you are in. But you need a bunch of account with different AP to somehow get an idea on GW2 population.
So if you want to have an accurate projection on GW2 population, you need to cross reference a bunch of account and see if people's AP is actually moving.
And if you cross reference a low AP account, you'll see half of them almost have nothing.
But even that won't show very accurate data. Because people gain AP at a different rate.
By cross reference a bunch of account, it seems GW2 popluation seemed to be steady, and their AP is moving at a steady pace.
But there is just no way to determine precisely number. But it is a good way to at least determine a range of GW2 population.
At least we know people pushing low ball number like 300k isn't likely and people pushing high number such as 1.5million is probably a bit too high.
I think 1.5million active player is probably a push. Consider if you check people's achievement point, half of them almost have nothing. So unless many more copies of GW2 have been sold that'll be hard to reach.
How is this done?
Actually not that easy to do. If you have a GW2 account you can check what "percnetile" you are in. But you need a bunch of account with different AP to somehow get an idea on GW2 population.
So if you want to have an accurate projection on GW2 population, you need to cross reference a bunch of account and see if people's AP is actually moving.
And if you cross reference a low AP account, you'll see half of them almost have nothing.
But even that won't show very accurate data. Because people gain AP at a different rate.
By cross reference a bunch of account, it seems GW2 popluation seemed to be steady, and their AP is moving at a steady pace.
But there is just no way to determine precisely number. But it is a good way to at least determine a range of GW2 population.
At least we know people pushing low ball number like 300k isn't likely and people pushing high number such as 1.5million is probably a bit too high.
Well not to be rude, but that is just a worthless measure. It's all a guess!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I think 1.5million active player is probably a push. Consider if you check people's achievement point, half of them almost have nothing. So unless many more copies of GW2 have been sold that'll be hard to reach.
How is this done?
Actually not that easy to do. If you have a GW2 account you can check what "percnetile" you are in. But you need a bunch of account with different AP to somehow get an idea on GW2 population.
So if you want to have an accurate projection on GW2 population, you need to cross reference a bunch of account and see if people's AP is actually moving.
And if you cross reference a low AP account, you'll see half of them almost have nothing.
But even that won't show very accurate data. Because people gain AP at a different rate.
By cross reference a bunch of account, it seems GW2 popluation seemed to be steady, and their AP is moving at a steady pace.
But there is just no way to determine precisely number. But it is a good way to at least determine a range of GW2 population.
At least we know people pushing low ball number like 300k isn't likely and people pushing high number such as 1.5million is probably a bit too high.
Well not to be rude, but that is just a worthless measure. It's all a guess!
Of course it is a worthless measure. But it is much better than every other measure people post. Like sales, or 4 full server which will always be full because people keep moving in.
But at least you know half of the GW2 account have almost no AP. So half of the GW2 account ever created have been barely played for a few days.
And GW2 obviously have much higher than 300k active players. Since there are already 300k players with an enourmous amount of AP. They likely are active till this days.
And tell me which measure in this post isn't worthless and just a guess. At least mine is slightly better than theirs.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter I think GW2 has over 1.5 million players.
I can't express just how wrong you are. At most, GW2 is looking at 800k currently active players. Thats being very very gracious.
GW2 with 800K active players generate the equivalent of 700K $15 subs revenue per month in a game that is buy the box to play?
The GW2 official site show half the unique visitors it had during release (300K->160K). So does guildwars2guru.
What is that statistic? Only 10% of the players visit the forums?
Depend what you believe.
The absolute truth is half of the GW2 players have almost no AP. So they already quit after 1-3 month. ( actually more like a few days)
Gw2 sold 3million copies as of january. Now the question become how many new copies it sell.
It's too hard to tell from the sales, because there is no way of telling how much % of that is from gem store or people actually buying new copy of GW2.
If you actually believe GW2 is doing well, those sale number make sense, because a high percent of that could be just new people buying new copy of GW2.
If Anet had reached 4 million sales they would have announced it.
By the end of 2012 they had 3 million boxe sales.
In the 1Q13 they had around $32M and in 2Q13 around $25M.
We also know they made around $150M during 3Q12 and 4Q12, when they sold 3M boxes.
That mean they were getting average of $50/box if it was all boxes and no gem store.
If 20% was gem store sales they were making around $40/box.
If they were making $30/box that mean gem sales represented 40% of all their sales or $60M ($30M per quarter).
If we assume the drop was mostly in box sales. $8M is something like 150K boxes at $50 or 260K at $30.
This should put them around 3.5M boxes sold.
It also means that the gems sales did something like $30M->$30M->$25M->$20M something.
Considering what is in GW2 cash shop character slots and bank slots is what most players would want first.
After that there isn't much for multiple character players and there is loads for players that invest most time in a single character, like the infinite gathering tools.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Of course it is a worthless measure. But it is much better than every other measure people post. Like sales, or 4 full server which will always be full because people keep moving in.
But at least you know half of the GW2 account have almost no AP. So half of the GW2 account ever created have been barely played for a few days.
And GW2 obviously have much higher than 300k active players. Since there are already 300k players with an enourmous amount of AP. They likely are active till this days.
And tell me which measure in this post isn't worthless and just a guess. At least mine is slightly better than theirs.
You also have to account for that until very recently AP points were pretty much worthless and if you aren't hardcore doing all the living world, you will lose many points.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Of course it is a worthless measure. But it is much better than every other measure people post. Like sales, or 4 full server which will always be full because people keep moving in.
But at least you know half of the GW2 account have almost no AP. So half of the GW2 account ever created have been barely played for a few days.
And GW2 obviously have much higher than 300k active players. Since there are already 300k players with an enourmous amount of AP. They likely are active till this days.
And tell me which measure in this post isn't worthless and just a guess. At least mine is slightly better than theirs.
You also have to account for that until very recently AP points were pretty much worthless and if you aren't hardcore doing all the living world, you will lose many points.
There is a difference between low AP point and no AP point. Half of the account pretty much have no AP point.
That is not to discount their success. At least they make more money and have more active players to this date than the other game studio.
I think 1.5million active player is probably a push. Consider if you check people's achievement point, half of them almost have nothing. So unless many more copies of GW2 have been sold that'll be hard to reach.
How is this done?
Actually not that easy to do. If you have a GW2 account you can check what "percnetile" you are in. But you need a bunch of account with different AP to somehow get an idea on GW2 population.
So if you want to have an accurate projection on GW2 population, you need to cross reference a bunch of account and see if people's AP is actually moving.
And if you cross reference a low AP account, you'll see half of them almost have nothing.
But even that won't show very accurate data. Because people gain AP at a different rate.
By cross reference a bunch of account, it seems GW2 popluation seemed to be steady, and their AP is moving at a steady pace.
But there is just no way to determine precisely number. But it is a good way to at least determine a range of GW2 population.
At least we know people pushing low ball number like 300k isn't likely and people pushing high number such as 1.5million is probably a bit too high.
Well not to be rude, but that is just a worthless measure. It's all a guess!
Of course it is a worthless measure. But it is much better than every other measure people post. Like sales, or 4 full server which will always be full because people keep moving in.
But at least you know half of the GW2 account have almost no AP. So half of the GW2 account ever created have been barely played for a few days.
And GW2 obviously have much higher than 300k active players. Since there are already 300k players with an enourmous amount of AP. They likely are active till this days.
And tell me which measure in this post isn't worthless and just a guess. At least mine is slightly better than theirs.
Again, I don't see how you would know this. Even so, I have alts, do you take those into your quotations. And are you gathering information form a server of people or several different servers? Are they Eu or US? Unless you have many accounts formulate this from, it's just not even worth guessing with. Way to many factors to even coming close to using AP.
All in all it just only matters that there are still a lot of people playing GW2. Almost a year and no server closures, and no one at Anet let go! The game is solid enjoyment!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Again, I don't see how you would know this. Even so, I have alts, do you take those into your quotations. And are you gathering information form a server of people or several different servers? Are they Eu or US? Unless you have many accounts formulate this from, it's just not even worth guessing with. Way to many factors to even coming close to using AP.
All in all it just only matters that there are still a lot of people playing GW2. Almost a year and no server closures, and no one at Anet let go! The game is solid enjoyment!
That is why I said there is a difference between low AP point and no AP point. Hlaf of them have almost none.
That being said, you are right. All it matters is there are load of people playing GW2.
And GW2 is making 8.62 million per month in Q2 as a B2P game. That is really amazing.
Again, I don't see how you would know this. Even so, I have alts, do you take those into your quotations. And are you gathering information form a server of people or several different servers? Are they Eu or US? Unless you have many accounts formulate this from, it's just not even worth guessing with. Way to many factors to even coming close to using AP.
All in all it just only matters that there are still a lot of people playing GW2. Almost a year and no server closures, and no one at Anet let go! The game is solid enjoyment!
That is why I said there is a difference between low AP point and no AP point. Hlaf of them have almost none.
That being said, you are right. All it matters is there are load of people playing GW2.
And GW2 is making 8.62 million per month in Q2 as a B2P game. That is really amazing.
Well you got that right, that is a lot of gold!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Basic math will show you that the first 6 months of 2013 GW2 was making less than 10million a month in sales...
Let's say they were selling 100k boxes a month, because many fans want to believe they are nearing the 4million boxes sold milestone.
That's anywhere from 3million-5million in box sales ... let's be generous and say people were paying on average 40dollars a box. 4million box sales a month vs less than 10million sales revenue a month... so 6 million from cash shop.
6million a month is the equivalent of 400k subscribers on a $15 a month mmo. That's not great by today's industry standards...
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One question, do you honestly believe GW2s pop has grown since launch?
sidenote- in car on phone. Save me the time and post your Wushu pos here. Ty
Probably not since launch, but it declined after launch and it has grown since.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
That dont' mean anything.
A while ago, every server was very high. But that don't make sense. One of the server at peak time have 5 people doing Maw.
When people start asking Anet, they changed a bunch of server to medium, and high.
Now they just revert everything back to high and very high. For whatever reason.
They didnt' necessary increase the server cap. They just dont' want you to move there. And tier 1, 2 server will always be full. Since people keep moving there and new people will try to get in there first.
There is many server hopping happening. I know in 1 month half of the wvw guild on 1 server hop to another to get in tier 1. That just mean more people in tier 1 and the other server have less people.
I'm not sure if it grow. But population have actually been stable.
I know they pretty much loss like half the player in 1 month which is like 1.5 million. But after that for some reason population have been quite stable. You can check the achievement point for that.
Their update have actually been decent, they kept pumping up small patch every couple week. That helps people playing. And being a free game(after you buy the box). I think that help people stay in the game.
xfire is the tool of the misled. They use it to their advantage when they think it will favor them, but it does nothing but make them look silly. I know of no one personally that uses xfire, and I don't use it either. The only reason I do know of it is because everyone whips it around here like it's suppose to mean something.
What I do know is I can now see how many people are playing GW2 that culling has been lifted. This was at 4am this morning. Lions Arch no culling. And no, I'm not using the photo to justify population growth, only that there are a crap load of people doing something on GW2, and I'm one of those people. What we ARE doing is having fun, even in the wee hours of the morning.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
GW2 has done well by today's mmorpg standards. They found their audience, and effectively sold their message.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I can't express just how wrong you are. At most, GW2 is looking at 800k currently active players. Thats being very very gracious.
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all i know is seems like whatever zone I am farming in I run across people at all hours of the night and day. Lions Arch seems to be crowded and stuff moves well on the TP. As long as those things are happening I don't give a darn if they have a million players or 1000.
Last night during the events I was running with a huge crowd, probably somewhere between 100 - 250 peeps zerging the events, and we were only one group in of many in that zone and on a overflow server at that
I miss DAoC
And you sir win the GW2 fan award. You're enjoying yourself in the game, you're happy that you have people to play with and don't give a rats ass if GW2 has a million or 1000 players. If only the rest of these 'GW2 fans" were like you there wouldn't be so many people trying to prove them wrong.
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GW2 with 800K active players generate the equivalent of 700K $15 subs revenue per month in a game that is buy the box to play?
The GW2 official site show half the unique visitors it had during release (300K->160K). So does guildwars2guru.
What is that statistic? Only 10% of the players visit the forums?
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I'll break it down for you.
GW2 Q2 sales is 28,899 million Won excluding loyalty. Which is equals to 25.86 million US$. That means in 1 month they make 8.62 million dollar. Which is equivalent to 575k sub which pay 15$.
Now the question become how many new people buy GW2 box. Which could explain their sales number, if they actually have more new players coming in GW2.
But I dont' think there is anyway of telling. Since GW2 is essentially a cash shop game. And in cash shop game, you could have some high paying player spending enourmous amount of money.
The only official number we got is 3 million were sold as of january 2013. Now the question become how many more copies were sold.
I think 1.5million active player is probably a push. Consider if you check people's achievement point, half of them almost have nothing. So unless many more copies of GW2 have been sold that'll be hard to reach.
Again you can't use sales to determine population. If you actually believe GW2 is doing well, and have many new players joining. A 50k increase per month could mean 2.5 million in sale. Those are just too hard to tell.
How is this done?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Depend what you believe.
The absolute truth is half of the GW2 players have almost no AP. So they already quit after 1-3 month. ( actually more like a few days)
Gw2 sold 3million copies as of january. Now the question become how many new copies it sell.
It's too hard to tell from the sales, because there is no way of telling how much % of that is from gem store or people actually buying new copy of GW2.
If you actually believe GW2 is doing well, those sale number make sense, because a high percent of that could be just new people buying new copy of GW2.
Actually not that easy to do. If you have a GW2 account you can check what "percnetile" you are in. But you need a bunch of account with different AP to somehow get an idea on GW2 population.
So if you want to have an accurate projection on GW2 population, you need to cross reference a bunch of account and see if people's AP is actually moving.
And if you cross reference a low AP account, you'll see half of them almost have nothing.
But even that won't show very accurate data. Because people gain AP at a different rate.
By cross reference a bunch of account, it seems GW2 popluation seemed to be steady, and their AP is moving at a steady pace.
But there is just no way to determine precisely number. But it is a good way to at least determine a range of GW2 population.
At least we know people pushing low ball number like 300k isn't likely and people pushing high number such as 1.5million is probably a bit too high.
Well not to be rude, but that is just a worthless measure. It's all a guess!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Of course it is a worthless measure. But it is much better than every other measure people post. Like sales, or 4 full server which will always be full because people keep moving in.
But at least you know half of the GW2 account have almost no AP. So half of the GW2 account ever created have been barely played for a few days.
And GW2 obviously have much higher than 300k active players. Since there are already 300k players with an enourmous amount of AP. They likely are active till this days.
And tell me which measure in this post isn't worthless and just a guess. At least mine is slightly better than theirs.
If Anet had reached 4 million sales they would have announced it.
By the end of 2012 they had 3 million boxe sales.
In the 1Q13 they had around $32M and in 2Q13 around $25M.
We also know they made around $150M during 3Q12 and 4Q12, when they sold 3M boxes.
That mean they were getting average of $50/box if it was all boxes and no gem store.
If 20% was gem store sales they were making around $40/box.
If they were making $30/box that mean gem sales represented 40% of all their sales or $60M ($30M per quarter).
If we assume the drop was mostly in box sales. $8M is something like 150K boxes at $50 or 260K at $30.
This should put them around 3.5M boxes sold.
It also means that the gems sales did something like $30M->$30M->$25M->$20M something.
Considering what is in GW2 cash shop character slots and bank slots is what most players would want first.
After that there isn't much for multiple character players and there is loads for players that invest most time in a single character, like the infinite gathering tools.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
You also have to account for that until very recently AP points were pretty much worthless and if you aren't hardcore doing all the living world, you will lose many points.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
There is a difference between low AP point and no AP point. Half of the account pretty much have no AP point.
That is not to discount their success. At least they make more money and have more active players to this date than the other game studio.
Again, I don't see how you would know this. Even so, I have alts, do you take those into your quotations. And are you gathering information form a server of people or several different servers? Are they Eu or US? Unless you have many accounts formulate this from, it's just not even worth guessing with. Way to many factors to even coming close to using AP.
All in all it just only matters that there are still a lot of people playing GW2. Almost a year and no server closures, and no one at Anet let go! The game is solid enjoyment!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
That is why I said there is a difference between low AP point and no AP point. Hlaf of them have almost none.
That being said, you are right. All it matters is there are load of people playing GW2.
And GW2 is making 8.62 million per month in Q2 as a B2P game. That is really amazing.
Well you got that right, that is a lot of gold!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Basic math will show you that the first 6 months of 2013 GW2 was making less than 10million a month in sales...
Let's say they were selling 100k boxes a month, because many fans want to believe they are nearing the 4million boxes sold milestone.
That's anywhere from 3million-5million in box sales ... let's be generous and say people were paying on average 40dollars a box. 4million box sales a month vs less than 10million sales revenue a month... so 6 million from cash shop.
6million a month is the equivalent of 400k subscribers on a $15 a month mmo. That's not great by today's industry standards...