I find this response typical of what we have come to expect from SOE. I know, it's from LA, but it reads the same to me and, apparently, many other "accomplished players", and it's just as insulting coming from LA as it is SOE.
I (and many others) have been playing this game since the first open beta, and I have come to truly love it! Cancelling my account was the hardest thing I've had to do in a very long time, but it seems that the only way to get LA and SOE to actually listen to the people who "pay to play" is to stop paying.
When a representative of the company that actually owns the rights to the Star Wars franchise comes out and says "that there is risk of alienating many current subscribers", you'd think they would actually listen to our feedback. I read and posted on the forums for the CU beta every day, and watched as the negative feedback was consistently ignored and deleted, and some posters banned for posting negative feedback! More than 80% of the respondants to the daily polls said that the CU was a LOSER! But instead of listening to our "valued" feedback and addressing all (or even a few) issues, they shoved this lemon down our throats.
I cannot believe that George Lucas is comfortable with such a large segment of his fan-base to be insulted and alienated like this. Word of mouth is going to kill SWG. I know the majority of my local software retailers, as I either went to school with, worked with, or, in one case, served in the military with most of them, and I've already "poisoned the well", so to speak, about this game.
I expect I'm not alone in this, as the friends I've made in this and other MMORPGs have expressed similar opinions, and have described similar actions. Remember the effect "bloggers" had on the last election?
I honestly doubt LA will feel any serious heat from this in the short term, especially with the debut of EP3 so close. I expect they will probably experience a short-term boost in subscriptions, at least until players find out how pathetic the game has become.
Oh, well. Sorry for the rant, but I've had that on my mind for quite a while, and it felt good to let it out. I've cancelled my subscription to SOE's station pass, as I now feel they don't deserve any of my business after this, and I've been a loyal player of EQ, EQ2 and PlanetSide for years.
Whatever. It's not as if they actually care about the people who play their games, as long as they get paid and their companies can turn a profit.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm late to meet some friends on America's Army.
Originally posted by KatanOmega Oh...one thing i forgot!! If you think this "upgrade" was to balance proffesions or any of the other lame excuses SOE gave for it your dead wrong. The only reason they implemented the upgrade was to be able bring SWG to the platform gamers hence the dumbing down of every single aspect of the game, the removal of the combat que, generic attacks and animations across proffesions, the level system, the new ui, etc.....don't bieleve me check it out for yourself!
Are you saying the game is going to PS2 ? Please provide a link to your source. This would explain an awful lot
Originally posted by KatanOmega Oh...one thing i forgot!! If you think this "upgrade" was to balance proffesions or any of the other lame excuses SOE gave for it your dead wrong. The only reason they implemented the upgrade was to be able bring SWG to the platform gamers hence the dumbing down of every single aspect of the game, the removal of the combat que, generic attacks and animations across proffesions, the level system, the new ui, etc.....don't bieleve me check it out for yourself!
Are you saying the game is going to PS2 ? Please provide a link to your source. This would explain an awful lot
Guys, I fully believe SOE on this when they say that idea was canned years ago and these are just old ads that are not getting cleared from a few websites.
But, what is almost as galling is that John Smedley's recent post (his first ever ) seemed to indicate what I have believed to be the case all along. He stated that their were business reasons behind this upgrade, and I believe it was the consolidation of combat code between their two largest games. This then frees the development staff from actually having to be paid for, and they can be sent on a very long unpaid vacation (downsize is another term).
This may explain the fairy tale look of the icons and special effects. Having never played EQII and not wanting to give another dime to these guys I cannot state that combat is the same in both games now. I would love to hear from somebody that plays both since after the CU.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Does anyone have any numbers on how many folks have cancelled their accounts to SWG? I personally closed 3. I'd be curious to see how many folks are left and how many are currently playing WoW (including the SWG devs).
I know this is extremely anecdotal, and by no means scientific. But on Ahazi tonight, Coronet and Theed were disturbingly low in population. Felt like 1/3 the normal crowd in Coronet and 1/2 in Theed. Maybe they are all on Dantooine joining groups and since they do not need to buff anymore not going through Theed or CNet. But it really does seem dead.
Most people still live in the rings of houses around those two cities, so you would still expect activity at those starports. I think tomorrow's study will be Mos Eisley and Mining Outpost. See if the population has shifted to other locations.
I have canceled my account and my best friend canceled 3 accounts. My wife will give it one more month. I have friends that have come back a couple of months ago who left when the CU happened, so if they are relying on that crowd to save them, they should think again.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
We dont want this new system. We hate it... if I hated a game this much the first time I played it, rest asure I would have never tryed to "get use" to it. It is no longer fun and SOE has done little more then twist the facts and lied about the current situation of things. They give half hearted awnsers with absolutly no backing and expect the community to accept them. They tell us its for the better good of the game they made these changes, yet they have not given one GOOD reason why. If they could give GOOD reasons I believe a majority of the people qho are mad as hell, would back off a bit.
For instance they say this new system will allow them to add new content quicker. yet the combat system is still fundamentally the same, just slower, more fantasy like, and less Star Warsy. So how does it allow them to add more content quicker? They dont awnser....
They claim they couldnt have balanced the old system. yet again this new system is a retarded version of the old system, so how can they balance this system any better then the old one? Again they dont awnser...
SOE did not do this for the players... they did it hopeing to draw in more players from games like WoW. Hopeing a simpler, more fantasy like game would bring in a diffrent type of player. Which is a kick in the face to all their vet players who have been loyal through all the other crap they put on us. The President of SOE makeing a post on the official boards shows just how concerned SOE is. As he has never logged into thoes boards before, and probly will never again. So oviously the numbers must show bad things on their end. If they think they can walk away with more players by adding this system that has cuased thousands of people to quit, and has left thousands more waiting for massive changes to it or they will quit, then so be it. However I dont think many new players will be getting SWG as you cant look anywhere without seeing bad press... and for good cause.
It has been really nice of SOE to listen so carefully to their customers. They feed us some line of crap that the game could not have been better without the silly wizard effects and the crappy new UI, and the new broken comands, and the GREAT NEW LEVEL system. Right! The old game was much better than this broken pile of crap they have layed upon the paying customers. I hope someone there is listening and ditches this pride complex they have and realize that basically releasing SWG2 in place of the established game was a mistake.
It is amazing that the SWG forums are filled with displeasure for the new game, and nothing is being done. Unless they do something soon they are sending this game to an early grave. What a shame.
I must concur with all my fellows writing posts on this topic. I started 4 months ago and fell in love with the game instantly. Now though, it seems SWG is going in a direction that has NOTHING to do with what the customer wants, which is normally a death sentence for companies. I do however, believe that there is nothing they can do about it until the "rage of the wookies" expansion comes out. They have likely geared it to only work with tthe new system, and would not want to lose all the costs for marketing because they had so little insight as to what the customers would or would not like. It frankly surprises me that they did not forsee how much this downgrade would anger the customers. Normally that is why the play tests are important, to stop production before it gets beyond the point of no return. I think some jack@$$ started the ball rolling before he produced a thought.
I have been with SWG from the beginning (ED Beta 2, ED Beta 3, JTL Beta, CU Beta, ROTW Beta). I am really wondering what some people are basing their objections to the current system on. I understand that the CU has given us a whole new system and that players must now basically relearn the game. But at the same time it has brought variety and strategy into the game. No longer can you just grind out a TK/Fncer/Swords template, grab some 80% composite and go to Dath and wipe the planet by spamming the same combat move over and over again. I fail to see how this is a bad thing. People complain about not being able to solo content... I don't see this. All you have to do is take a little time to find which planet/ creature is best suited for you class/CL. There is still plenty of solo content if you just want to take the time to find it.
First of all don't use the word content in the same sentence as SWG. This game has had very little story driven content since launch. Second if your even thinking of spewing that turd argument that it's up to the players to create their own content and story don't bother. Third we have been promised more story driven content since launch and have recieved none. oh and as far as SWG being ported to platforms i'm currently rechecking for the articles and will post them when i find them again!
[url=www.angry-gamers.net][sigpic] By katanomega at 2009-03-11[/sigpic][/url]
Erillious and Fadeus are the stupidest ppl that sill like the CU=Downgrade and stand up for it for some stupid reason they feel that SOE and LA did the right thing while 90% of us other players know ther f'd up.
And by the way i remember when Julio was a Nobody at LA, they should put him back on that street corner because ill do it for free, as well as them dammed devs that always lied to us.
And to the above guys we have a right to coose Jedi and be 1, maybe ur such nobbs u dont remember that all ppl were promised to be able to become 1, mine got hacked, so i should be able to regrind the right character for Jedi again now the only way is Ebay, lol. to them they get 1 xp unless they're high Ranked knights and now stupis BH gank squads.
SWG, is not Star Wars and really never really was it was just a Corporate game of lies like the Sith.
Things will not get fixed like ppl hoped unless the big man or big 12 do something themselves. The downgrade was planned to have this effect to ruin ppls gaming interest at the expense of Ego and Power.
I must say Fadeus is right about 1 thing it appears that Julio was doing some of the Dark lord stuff because he wanted to be a Real 1, and now hes earned it. But also SOE has way to much power with game and in the film industry if SWG fails the head at the Company wont give a dammm because the will still make billions a year off the movies they make alone.
Fadeus, i know ur gonna say something bad about me again abut sorry about some cooments earlier i made i just think ppl are stupid to stick with a Company that doesnt like them. Or Companies as i remember Julio from way back in Jedi knight 2 i'd have to recheck but i know that i didnt like him.
Originally posted by tmr255 SOE Forum poll that was up when CU was on the test servers. On a scale of 1-5, with 5 being Exceptionally fun and 1 being Not fun, rate how much fun you had playing Combat Upgrade during your last play session.748 Vote(s) 1 - Not fun at all (75%)86 Vote(s) 5 - Exceptionally Fun (9%)59 Vote(s) 2 (6%)52 Vote(s) 3 (5%)51 Vote(s) 4 (5%)Total Votes: 996 April 23rd 03:00 PST - April 24th 06:00 PST3 days before the CU went live on April 27th.The numbers speak for them selfs. R.I.P SWG April 27th 2005
Quit trying to use forum polls as evidence of anything. They are useless, someone that has cookies disabled could have sit there and easily wracked up 500 votes, the only polls that count for anything was the in game testing poll. Man I am so tired of people trying to use that crappy forum poll as some kind of evidence of the player bases feelings. And ontop of it only 1000 votes, and more then likely they were all from the most voicey and spiteful that run to the official forum to get another flame in.
I am not on that vote and I surely wouldnt have voted with the majority on it. You would think when someone sees almost everyone just voted the lowest rating on it they would use alittle common sense and figure that its skewed. Ya the CU has caused alot of pains and there are alot of parts I don't like about it, but give the friggin poll up, its not helping anything other then to make you look that gullable.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
If I am called stupid by such likes as Kingshark, I have to be doing something right.
It may not be en vogue to talk about the GOOD things in SWG (along with the bad things if someone cares to read my posts), but thats what I do. I like the game. I think it will be a good game after bug fixes and balancing. It will be a great game under competent management. I think it offers much more than people give it credit for ... which may have a lot to do with the same type of people bashing them across multiple forums. Often these are burned out gamers, but not always. A game wont stay fun if you dont see it as a game anymore.
Originally posted by Kingshark Erillious and Fadeus are the stupidest ppl that sill like the CU=Downgrade and stand up for it for some stupid reason they feel that SOE and LA did the right thing while 90% of us other players know ther f'd up. And by the way i remember when Julio was a Nobody at LA, they should put him back on that street corner because ill do it for free, as well as them dammed devs that always lied to us. And to the above guys we have a right to coose Jedi and be 1, maybe ur such nobbs u dont remember that all ppl were promised to be able to become 1, mine got hacked, so i should be able to regrind the right character for Jedi again now the only way is Ebay, lol. to them they get 1 xp unless they're high Ranked knights and now stupis BH gank squads. SWG, is not Star Wars and really never really was it was just a Corporate game of lies like the Sith. Things will not get fixed like ppl hoped unless the big man or big 12 do something themselves. The downgrade was planned to have this effect to ruin ppls gaming interest at the expense of Ego and Power.
You really are an idiot or your reading skills are as bad as your english. I have CLEARLY stated that I do not approve nor agree with the CU or it being published as it was or when it was. HOWEVER I can sit here and discuss INTELLIGENTLY the good and bad points of it and I am not gonna flame it like an ignorant troll on ALL ASPECTS just because I am pissed and want to whine.
And the next time your going to accuse someone of being stupid, you may wanna use good grammar.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
what a f@@king snowjob. good thing ur not standing in front of me julio. How confident are you? Care to make a wager? ur $#% in rl aren't u. For u all (soe), great benefit is only $$$.
A game can not be enigineered for an existing player base. The cu is a new game, not the game we grew to love. In hindsight, maybe you should have opened several cu servers. Then saw how many subscribers u gained.
How bout a debate. A few of soe executives vs a few seasoned swg players. A lot of frustration comes from us bonking our heads, trying to make sence of soe's decision making. We can not figure why the cu had to go down like this. Can you really justify urselfs to the players of swg.
With that said my points are, forced grouping is wrong. Most of the time I am able to play none of my guild is online and I cant solo anything that will give me more than 1 or 2 xp(with the double xp). I dont mind guild hunts but when it takes an hour to get people all ready to go, my play time is over. I cant spend 12 hours a day playing like soom can.
SWG was great before the CU because you could group OR play solo. And there was still a very large portion of the game that was not able to be solo'd. Now I need assistance just to finish one mission equal or within a few levels lower than me.
I have three accounts currently but I am planning on canceling if things dont improve within a few weeks. If LA and SOE would create a server to run the game pre-CU, I would gladly pay double to be on it, even if I had to start all three toons over again. For all I care the pre-CU server could be update free and not have any CSR's(as they dont help anyone anyway and never respond to real issues), and I would be happy with it.
SOE wanted to create a unique and realistic starwars game and instead destroyed the most unique and fun game I have ever seen or heard of.
Balancing as SOE put it really just made all combat professions the exact same, it took out he fact that pre-cu you had to choose if you wanted to focus on defences and speed over power, You had control of your destiny. But that is all gone now, and from the sounds of it, it wont be coming back.
If SOE and LA wanted to create a new game they should have, but NOT take our game from us in the process.
I would agree that it should not be entirely up to the players of a MMO to provide content. The Devs need to provide the basis of this. At the same time it is the players interaction with Dev provided resources that is the true content of any MMO. I am not that blind as to say everything in this game is great. But I challenge anyone to show me a game that is. The fact of the matter is this is the only Star Wars MMO we will see.
As for the notion that there has been no content since launch..... then what would you call JTL, the corvette, the Death Watch Bunker and soon to be the ROTW expansion?
Erillious and Fadeus, ur about the only 2 that like the stupid CU=Downgrade which there is nothing good about it.
Fadeus u said i didnt like being able to solo Kimo in 15 minutes or con reds, or being godly with buffs.
U should have shut up and left the game if didnt like so much but for some reason u didnt> probably because u like doing it and now that u have EQ2=SWG with Downgrade ur a happy idiot.
1 thing is no 1 should have to group with idiots like u 2, and u have to split all that stpid money thanx to the stupid Revamp they did with the Looting rights. They went to far on that. And ppl should be able to solo like Crafters without fearing of getting killed while getting resources like if i did and, as anyone else should not have to worry about being alone all the time, even if ur fully Combat u'll still get killed way to easily.
By the way their are some of us who can make other Star Wars games and i used to help make maps for Star Wars Jedi Knight 2 so if any1 wats maybe, we could make our own smaller game
Ok, as for JtL u shoulnt have brought that up as i know every lie and count over a Thousand times.
1) They promised 8 to 10 NEW explorable Planets with JtL not scenic ones
2) They promised 10 to 12 New species with that expansion, but only 2 came out. They said it was to difficult my ass i could do better and my old peers at GameSpy Arcade did.
As for Rage of the Wookies look at the above as they promised so much more than just another stupid planet.
The Death Watch Bunker.............. what about the GCW storylines that ppl loved to get into more and had more to do with Star Wars growth, wheres the Rebel Tank. Did u know there is 1.?
I don't know if I'm a typical SWG player or not, but my friends and I are in our mid-30's. We're all married or engaged, and most have kids. We have professional jobs in the IT industry and we like to play games in our limited spare time. That means a couple hours a night (if we're lucky) and maybe several hours over a weekend.
When my friend told me what a great game SWG was, and explained the basic and advanced character types to me, I became interested. Interested yes, but with some apprehention. This will be the first MMORPG that I will have played and because of that I thought I'd have to spend an overwhelming amount of time playing and developing my character. I don't always have time to find a group of people to play with nor do I always want to play with others. And if gaining XP would be slow, it would be months before my character would have made any significant progress, because of my limited time to play. But when he told me that I could eventually become a Bounty Hunter and kill Jedi or possibly become a Jedi myself, I became much more interested. He then told me that with a little bit of effort, and some help from him, I could play SWG, and have FUN, with limited game play. I went right out and bought SWG and SWGJTL. I was hooked since the first day I played, late in February this year.
I started with Brawler and Scout. Very shortly thereafter I took on Freelance Pilot and Marksman. Followed by Medic, Teras Kasi, Artisan, and finally Armorsmith. For the past two months I've been playing when I can. In that time I've made Master Scount, Pilot 2/1/1/1, Artisan 4/1/0/0, Armorsmith 1/0/0/0, Medic 0/1/1/0, Marksman 1/3/2/4, and Teras Kasi 4/4/3/3. I had FUN playing by myself. Grouping with my friend when we could. Grouping with complete strangers, while making friends, when I wanted to.
All this FUN has come to a complete and thundering end since the CU. SWG, post-CU, has had it's key component removed from it... Its FUN.
I no longer look forward to playing the game. It's not FUN anymore, it's damn hard work. I'd rather be at my office working on a challenging IT project than playing SWG now. That's sad. My almost-TKM became worthless by himself, and is still mostly worthless in a group. I couldn't wear my good armor and I have no idea how combat works now. I had a 41 CL. I don't know what that compares to. I tried taking on two Quenkers (which have CLs lower than mine I believe). I had to run away just before I was incompacitated. They eventually succeeded in killing me even after I took a rest. I used to be able to take on four or five Quenkers, with my TK skills, kick some butt and have FUN doing it. Since the CU hit, I've tried to log five or six hours in game. In that amount of time I've made 10 XP and died twice. Why? Why should I continue to put forth great effort when it will be six more months before I can do any real damage.
I've respec'ed several times to come up with a character that I thought was viable. Pre-CU I was working hard towards TKM. I would have made it too, if I just had two or three more days. I was hoping to make TKM and then work towards Bounty Hunter. And with enough time and effort I would have liked to work towards Jedi. The last time I respec'ed I threw everything towards Bounty Hunter. Along with the prerequisits I was Bounty Hunter 4/4/3/3. I've never been a BH before. I don't know anything about using droids, let alone where to buy droids and BH weapons or how to use BH skills and equipment. I previously respec'ed as a Commando with the same problems, trying to find weapons powerful enough to keep me from getting killed. If you're lucky enough to find a vendor that's being restocked (a VERY difficult task), and that has weapons you want, good luck finding out if you're level qualified to use it. I've purchased several weapons only to quckly find out that I'm not qualified. I haven't been able to see ANY details of items, at a vendor, since the CU. The item detail window just says that it's 'downloading the information...' and never refreshes.
This is not the SWG that my friend told me about in February and this is not the game I purchased. CU should have been marketed as SWG 2.0000001 and been spun off as a seperate MMORPG. SWG and SWG post-CU have about as much in common as Half-Life 2 does with Doom 3. I have ZERO desire to play the game in its current state. Coronet, on Gorath, is a complete ghost town compared to pre-CU days.
If SOE, and I guess LA too, don't get their collective heads together and rollback to pre-CU, I will be cancelling my SWG subscription. My order for ROTW will also be cancelled. And finally I will be demanding a complete refund of my purchase price of SWG and SWGJTL and a full refund of my SWG subscription. This is not the game I purchased. I know the comparrision to EQ2 is used a lot, I've never actually played EQ2, but it seems to fit. If I wanted to play EQ2 I would have bought EQ2. I don't and I didn't.
My friends and I enjoy being able to come home from a long day at work. Spend quality time with the family and then retire to our home offices and log a couple hours in SWG. I live on the West coast, my friend lives on the East. We never get to see each other so it's been a blast for us to spend a few hours a week playing SWG together. I no longer have any desire to play SWG post-CU any more. It's hard to believe that I just wrote that. That I don't want to play a game. Again that's very sad
Thousands and thousands of people have signed the petition at SWGpetition.com. I find it inconceiveable that SOE has completely brushed off its very passionate user base, but it obviously has.
It's very safe to say that I will never again purchase a SOE or LA product, nor will thousands and thousands of other people, if this is typical of the way they treat their very-happy-to-pay customers.
Please give us what WE, the paying customer wants... Our old SWG back. We don't want what is currently being pushed onto us. We were basically happy with the way things were barring a few issues. If you want a game that tens of thousands of people want to pay you to play, rollback your servers. But if you want a game that is no longer FUN but that you say is "more exciting..." then, by all means, keep the CU.
And just for the record, I've NEVER felt the need to post in a game forum. I don't participate in mindless banter about the merrits of a game. I have better things to do with my time. I've never posted until now because I've never felt passionate about a game like I do about SWG. It's hard to believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually mad and bothered by what has happened to SWG. I've invested quite a bit of time into this game. It's been all for naught.
Hi everyone! I am the new user interface design lead for SWG. I have been brought on board here at Sony to design and manage changes and updates to the interface for the game. This includes things such as updating the look of buttons on the toolbar, the layout of examine windows, the colors in the Health/Action/Mind bars, and even the way the mouse and keyboard work to move around in the game.
While I have been an avid MMO player for many years, my experience comes from outside gaming industry. I received my doctorate in Human Factors Psychology, and I apply knowledge of human characteristics to design in order to make the experience anyone has with a system a good one. Before coming to SOE, I worked in the international consulting industry creating software interfaces for a variety of different businesses. I also worked in the defense industry designing software interfaces for some of the most cutting edge military applications being developed today. My high-level goals for SWG are simple:
* Enhance the fun of the game by making game controls easier to use and more intuitive * Design the interface so that it is easier to learn for newer players * Assure the option to keep existing interfaces that work for current SWG players gaming style * Develop a more consistent look and feel for toolbars and windows * Usability test new and existing interfaces so assure quality of interface designs
All of this takes time, and we will be rolling in interface updates as soon as we can make them ready. In the meantime, I would like to hear your comments about the current SWG interface, both good and bad.
the bad thing is we replyed to this and most of us didnt want the new ui but they have statded that we didnt have to fret do to the old interfaces and icons would work with the new system these are all posted under the Archives notes. on the official swg station pages .
a few things sorry i dont post alot on fourms just read alot how ever notice here that in the list of things to acomplish it states ASURE THE OPTION OF KEEPING EXISTING INTERFACES THAT WORK FOR CURENT SWG PLAYERS !!!!!
also notice the TEST useabilty of new and existing interfaces for QUALITY OF INTERFACES !!!! i agree the new look is very fanticy and realy not something that belongs in a si-fi style game.
now in game on live severs the icons stick the actions are not all working the anamations are barly working in some fights most of the main good skills are broke , things like being rooted for the time it take a bh to kill a jedi or when hit by a cm .
just woundering what happened here and when given feed back why didnt they listen to us?
this was posted last dec 2004 pre cu jsut befor alpha plan what are some other goals for next year?
* Add more directed content in the game that enhances our Star Wars experience. * Make the gameplay experience well paced and rewarding throughout advancement * Help players understand goals and have directed experiences to achieve those goals * Concentrating on more bug fixing * We want to make combat faster, exciting, and rewarding. * Work on improving all the non-combat professions.
The work I've seen so far shows that the team is focusing on the fun factor of combat and content. You will see us pick on the pace next year and provide rapid changes to the game. We look to you for your feedback while we continually improve the game. Have a safe and happy holiday. See you in the game!
Rich Vogel Executive Producer Star Wars Galaxies
next question is the work on improving the all the non-combat profesions just fall off the face of the game if so just get rid of these types of classes if they dont want to take the time to add content and dit them in to the combat som how. they more or less have made all crafting not worth doing
and in my opion the warm up cool down is not faster than the old system in my opion its a lot slower i find my self waitng for the skills reset since the all have the same reset time.
was courious when are they guna concentrait on fixing the old bugs ?
dont get me wrong i and all players of seg wanted the game to be balanced non broke profesions stupid head hit s dizzy kds for example, but what the old core game hade was star warsy just dint have much content add to inhance it and make it more imersive a simple balancing of old profs and fixing the flaws in buffs and so one could have made it cheeper faster and way easer to do ,
i do want to say i am enjoying able to group and get the fullest out of it now thatwant likethat befor they did thos right and several outher aspects of the cu was good but they could have done this with out changing the base game to how it is now iam geting used to it but i didnt pay for this month a good friend did b/c they didnt want to be alone while they waited pacently for the devs to clean up there mess they have made. so i amguna give them this free month to see if they can keep up wiht the every outher day bug/balanceing they need to do till the end of themonth if things pan out so be it the day is saved and i can keep playing a SI-FI game not a EQ style game the effects are a bit much but then agin they hade to also please the wow toons that will be filling up the exchange severs as whell. at times i feel i am a noob agin at the begning of the launch with this upgrade its easy to find waht skils are broke and exploit them but the real challange is to find the hard way to play and make it work as no one does that any more i they made the game much more challanging but they dint have to make the mobs thataggro all over that take over 3 mins to kill in most cases do to the wind up cool down worth 1 xp 100 xp or a stupid good pice of loot would be at least beter.
oh whell my 2 cents good luck happy hunting and safe journey what ever game you play just rember the games we play dont define us , are play styles and the abilty to be different and imersive does so find a game that has alot of adversty oh that was swg at one time heh .
We mainly just want our old system bac, true it want perfect but it was a hell of a lot better than it is now and i have to disagree about the wind up Cool down things actually take lees time and is better than Pre-CU Downgrade, as HAM goes within less than 15 seconds sometimes if ur a TK and ur trying specials.
But u also agreed the the Wind up and Cool Downs could take to long so thats double talk leading me to believe u guys r in trouble and had to maybe do some of this. if thats true, tell us something that we can do to get our game back, it just needed to be tweaqued. Not remade.
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Guys, I fully believe SOE on this when they say that idea was canned years ago and these are just old ads that are not getting cleared from a few websites.
But, what is almost as galling is that John Smedley's recent post (his first ever
) seemed to indicate what I have believed to be the case all along. He stated that their were business reasons behind this upgrade, and I believe it was the consolidation of combat code between their two largest games. This then frees the development staff from actually having to be paid for, and they can be sent on a very long unpaid vacation (downsize is another term).
This may explain the fairy tale look of the icons and special effects. Having never played EQII and not wanting to give another dime to these guys I cannot state that combat is the same in both games now. I would love to hear from somebody that plays both since after the CU.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Does anyone have any numbers on how many folks have cancelled their accounts to SWG? I personally closed 3. I'd be curious to see how many folks are left and how many are currently playing WoW (including the SWG devs).
I know this is extremely anecdotal, and by no means scientific. But on Ahazi tonight, Coronet and Theed were disturbingly low in population. Felt like 1/3 the normal crowd in Coronet and 1/2 in Theed. Maybe they are all on Dantooine joining groups and since they do not need to buff anymore not going through Theed or CNet. But it really does seem dead.
Most people still live in the rings of houses around those two cities, so you would still expect activity at those starports. I think tomorrow's study will be Mos Eisley and Mining Outpost. See if the population has shifted to other locations.
I have canceled my account and my best friend canceled 3 accounts. My wife will give it one more month. I have friends that have come back a couple of months ago who left when the CU happened, so if they are relying on that crowd to save them, they should think again.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
SOE dosnt get it...
Lucas Arts dosnt get it....
We dont want this new system. We hate it... if I hated a game this much the first time I played it, rest asure I would have never tryed to "get use" to it. It is no longer fun and SOE has done little more then twist the facts and lied about the current situation of things. They give half hearted awnsers with absolutly no backing and expect the community to accept them. They tell us its for the better good of the game they made these changes, yet they have not given one GOOD reason why. If they could give GOOD reasons I believe a majority of the people qho are mad as hell, would back off a bit.
For instance they say this new system will allow them to add new content quicker. yet the combat system is still fundamentally the same, just slower, more fantasy like, and less Star Warsy. So how does it allow them to add more content quicker? They dont awnser....
They claim they couldnt have balanced the old system. yet again this new system is a retarded version of the old system, so how can they balance this system any better then the old one? Again they dont awnser...
SOE did not do this for the players... they did it hopeing to draw in more players from games like WoW. Hopeing a simpler, more fantasy like game would bring in a diffrent type of player. Which is a kick in the face to all their vet players who have been loyal through all the other crap they put on us. The President of SOE makeing a post on the official boards shows just how concerned SOE is. As he has never logged into thoes boards before, and probly will never again. So oviously the numbers must show bad things on their end. If they think they can walk away with more players by adding this system that has cuased thousands of people to quit, and has left thousands more waiting for massive changes to it or they will quit, then so be it. However I dont think many new players will be getting SWG as you cant look anywhere without seeing bad press... and for good cause.
It has been really nice of SOE to listen so carefully to their customers. They feed us some line of crap that the game could not have been better without the silly wizard effects and the crappy new UI, and the new broken comands, and the GREAT NEW LEVEL system. Right! The old game was much better than this broken pile of crap they have layed upon the paying customers. I hope someone there is listening and ditches this pride complex they have and realize that basically releasing SWG2 in place of the established game was a mistake.
It is amazing that the SWG forums are filled with displeasure for the new game, and nothing is being done. Unless they do something soon they are sending this game to an early grave. What a shame.
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Erillious and Fadeus are the stupidest ppl that sill like the CU=Downgrade and stand up for it for some stupid reason they feel that SOE and LA did the right thing while 90% of us other players know ther f'd up.
And by the way i remember when Julio was a Nobody at LA, they should put him back on that street corner because ill do it for free, as well as them dammed devs that always lied to us.
And to the above guys we have a right to coose Jedi and be 1, maybe ur such nobbs u dont remember that all ppl were promised to be able to become 1, mine got hacked, so i should be able to regrind the right character for Jedi again now the only way is Ebay, lol. to them they get 1 xp unless they're high Ranked knights and now stupis BH gank squads.
SWG, is not Star Wars and really never really was it was just a Corporate game of lies like the Sith.
Things will not get fixed like ppl hoped unless the big man or big 12 do something themselves. The downgrade was planned to have this effect to ruin ppls gaming interest at the expense of Ego and Power.
I must say Fadeus is right about 1 thing it appears that Julio was doing some of the Dark lord stuff because he wanted to be a Real 1, and now hes earned it. But also SOE has way to much power with game and in the film industry if SWG fails the head at the Company wont give a dammm because the will still make billions a year off the movies they make alone.
Fadeus, i know ur gonna say something bad about me again abut sorry about some cooments earlier i made i just think ppl are stupid to stick with a Company that doesnt like them. Or Companies as i remember Julio from way back in Jedi knight 2 i'd have to recheck but i know that i didnt like him.
Quit trying to use forum polls as evidence of anything. They are useless, someone that has cookies disabled could have sit there and easily wracked up 500 votes, the only polls that count for anything was the in game testing poll. Man I am so tired of people trying to use that crappy forum poll as some kind of evidence of the player bases feelings. And ontop of it only 1000 votes, and more then likely they were all from the most voicey and spiteful that run to the official forum to get another flame in.
I am not on that vote and I surely wouldnt have voted with the majority on it. You would think when someone sees almost everyone just voted the lowest rating on it they would use alittle common sense and figure that its skewed. Ya the CU has caused alot of pains and there are alot of parts I don't like about it, but give the friggin poll up, its not helping anything other then to make you look that gullable.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
If I am called stupid by such likes as Kingshark, I have to be doing something right.
It may not be en vogue to talk about the GOOD things in SWG (along with the bad things if someone cares to read my posts), but thats what I do. I like the game. I think it will be a good game after bug fixes and balancing. It will be a great game under competent management. I think it offers much more than people give it credit for ... which may have a lot to do with the same type of people bashing them across multiple forums. Often these are burned out gamers, but not always. A game wont stay fun if you dont see it as a game anymore.
So .. have fun
Erillion
You really are an idiot or your reading skills are as bad as your english. I have CLEARLY stated that I do not approve nor agree with the CU or it being published as it was or when it was. HOWEVER I can sit here and discuss INTELLIGENTLY the good and bad points of it and I am not gonna flame it like an ignorant troll on ALL ASPECTS just because I am pissed and want to whine.
And the next time your going to accuse someone of being stupid, you may wanna use good grammar.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
what a f@@king snowjob. good thing ur not standing in front of me julio. How confident are you? Care to make a wager? ur $#% in rl aren't u. For u all (soe), great benefit is only $$$.
A game can not be enigineered for an existing player base. The cu is a new game, not the game we grew to love. In hindsight, maybe you should have opened several cu servers. Then saw how many subscribers u gained.
How bout a debate. A few of soe executives vs a few seasoned swg players. A lot of frustration comes from us bonking our heads, trying to make sence of soe's decision making. We can not figure why the cu had to go down like this. Can you really justify urselfs to the players of swg.
I totally dislike the CU...
With that said my points are, forced grouping is wrong. Most of the time I am able to play none of my guild is online and I cant solo anything that will give me more than 1 or 2 xp(with the double xp). I dont mind guild hunts but when it takes an hour to get people all ready to go, my play time is over. I cant spend 12 hours a day playing like soom can.
SWG was great before the CU because you could group OR play solo. And there was still a very large portion of the game that was not able to be solo'd. Now I need assistance just to finish one mission equal or within a few levels lower than me.
I have three accounts currently but I am planning on canceling if things dont improve within a few weeks. If LA and SOE would create a server to run the game pre-CU, I would gladly pay double to be on it, even if I had to start all three toons over again. For all I care the pre-CU server could be update free and not have any CSR's(as they dont help anyone anyway and never respond to real issues), and I would be happy with it.
SOE wanted to create a unique and realistic starwars game and instead destroyed the most unique and fun game I have ever seen or heard of.
Balancing as SOE put it really just made all combat professions the exact same, it took out he fact that pre-cu you had to choose if you wanted to focus on defences and speed over power, You had control of your destiny. But that is all gone now, and from the sounds of it, it wont be coming back.
If SOE and LA wanted to create a new game they should have, but NOT take our game from us in the process.
I would agree that it should not be entirely up to the players of a MMO to provide content. The Devs need to provide the basis of this. At the same time it is the players interaction with Dev provided resources that is the true content of any MMO. I am not that blind as to say everything in this game is great. But I challenge anyone to show me a game that is. The fact of the matter is this is the only Star Wars MMO we will see.
As for the notion that there has been no content since launch..... then what would you call JTL, the corvette, the Death Watch Bunker and soon to be the ROTW expansion?
Erillious and Fadeus, ur about the only 2 that like the stupid CU=Downgrade which there is nothing good about it.
Fadeus u said i didnt like being able to solo Kimo in 15 minutes or con reds, or being godly with buffs.
U should have shut up and left the game if didnt like so much but for some reason u didnt> probably because u like doing it and now that u have EQ2=SWG with Downgrade ur a happy idiot.
1 thing is no 1 should have to group with idiots like u 2, and u have to split all that stpid money thanx to the stupid Revamp they did with the Looting rights. They went to far on that. And ppl should be able to solo like Crafters without fearing of getting killed while getting resources like if i did and, as anyone else should not have to worry about being alone all the time, even if ur fully Combat u'll still get killed way to easily.
By the way their are some of us who can make other Star Wars games and i used to help make maps for Star Wars Jedi Knight 2 so if any1 wats maybe, we could make our own smaller game
Ok, as for JtL u shoulnt have brought that up as i know every lie and count over a Thousand times.
1) They promised 8 to 10 NEW explorable Planets with JtL not scenic ones
2) They promised 10 to 12 New species with that expansion, but only 2 came out. They said it was to difficult my ass i could do better and my old peers at GameSpy Arcade did.
As for Rage of the Wookies look at the above as they promised so much more than just another stupid planet.
The Death Watch Bunker.............. what about the GCW storylines that ppl loved to get into more and had more to do with Star Wars growth, wheres the Rebel Tank. Did u know there is 1.?
I don't know if I'm a typical SWG player or not, but my friends and I are in our mid-30's. We're all married or engaged, and most have kids. We have professional jobs in the IT industry and we like to play games in our limited spare time. That means a couple hours a night (if we're lucky) and maybe several hours over a weekend.
When my friend told me what a great game SWG was, and explained the basic and advanced character types to me, I became interested. Interested yes, but with some apprehention. This will be the first MMORPG that I will have played and because of that I thought I'd have to spend an overwhelming amount of time playing and developing my character. I don't always have time to find a group of people to play with nor do I always want to play with others. And if gaining XP would be slow, it would be months before my character would have made any significant progress, because of my limited time to play. But when he told me that I could eventually become a Bounty Hunter and kill Jedi or possibly become a Jedi myself, I became much more interested. He then told me that with a little bit of effort, and some help from him, I could play SWG, and have FUN, with limited game play. I went right out and bought SWG and SWGJTL. I was hooked since the first day I played, late in February this year.
I started with Brawler and Scout. Very shortly thereafter I took on Freelance Pilot and Marksman. Followed by Medic, Teras Kasi, Artisan, and finally Armorsmith. For the past two months I've been playing when I can. In that time I've made Master Scount, Pilot 2/1/1/1, Artisan 4/1/0/0, Armorsmith 1/0/0/0, Medic 0/1/1/0, Marksman 1/3/2/4, and Teras Kasi 4/4/3/3. I had FUN playing by myself. Grouping with my friend when we could. Grouping with complete strangers, while making friends, when I wanted to.
All this FUN has come to a complete and thundering end since the CU. SWG, post-CU, has had it's key component removed from it... Its FUN.
I no longer look forward to playing the game. It's not FUN anymore, it's damn hard work. I'd rather be at my office working on a challenging IT project than playing SWG now. That's sad.
My almost-TKM became worthless by himself, and is still mostly worthless in a group. I couldn't wear my good armor and I have no idea how combat works now. I had a 41 CL. I don't know what that compares to. I tried taking on two Quenkers (which have CLs lower than mine I believe). I had to run away just before I was incompacitated. They eventually succeeded in killing me even after I took a rest. I used to be able to take on four or five Quenkers, with my TK skills, kick some butt and have FUN doing it. Since the CU hit, I've tried to log five or six hours in game. In that amount of time I've made 10 XP and died twice. Why? Why should I continue to put forth great effort when it will be six more months before I can do any real damage.
I've respec'ed several times to come up with a character that I thought was viable. Pre-CU I was working hard towards TKM. I would have made it too, if I just had two or three more days. I was hoping to make TKM and then work towards Bounty Hunter. And with enough time and effort I would have liked to work towards Jedi. The last time I respec'ed I threw everything towards Bounty Hunter. Along with the prerequisits I was Bounty Hunter 4/4/3/3. I've never been a BH before. I don't know anything about using droids, let alone where to buy droids and BH weapons or how to use BH skills and equipment. I previously respec'ed as a Commando with the same problems, trying to find weapons powerful enough to keep me from getting killed. If you're lucky enough to find a vendor that's being restocked (a VERY difficult task), and that has weapons you want, good luck finding out if you're level qualified to use it. I've purchased several weapons only to quckly find out that I'm not qualified. I haven't been able to see ANY details of items, at a vendor, since the CU. The item detail window just says that it's 'downloading the information...' and never refreshes.
This is not the SWG that my friend told me about in February and this is not the game I purchased. CU should have been marketed as SWG 2.0000001 and been spun off as a seperate MMORPG. SWG and SWG post-CU have about as much in common as Half-Life 2 does with Doom 3. I have ZERO desire to play the game in its current state. Coronet, on Gorath, is a complete ghost town compared to pre-CU days.
If SOE, and I guess LA too, don't get their collective heads together and rollback to pre-CU, I will be cancelling my SWG subscription. My order for ROTW will also be cancelled. And finally I will be demanding a complete refund of my purchase price of SWG and SWGJTL and a full refund of my SWG subscription. This is not the game I purchased. I know the comparrision to EQ2 is used a lot, I've never actually played EQ2, but it seems to fit. If I wanted to play EQ2 I would have bought EQ2. I don't and I didn't.
My friends and I enjoy being able to come home from a long day at work. Spend quality time with the family and then retire to our home offices and log a couple hours in SWG. I live on the West coast, my friend lives on the East. We never get to see each other so it's been a blast for us to spend a few hours a week playing SWG together. I no longer have any desire to play SWG post-CU any more. It's hard to believe that I just wrote that. That I don't want to play a game. Again that's very sad
Thousands and thousands of people have signed the petition at SWGpetition.com. I find it inconceiveable that SOE has completely brushed off its very passionate user base, but it obviously has.
It's very safe to say that I will never again purchase a SOE or LA product, nor will thousands and thousands of other people, if this is typical of the way they treat their very-happy-to-pay customers.
Please give us what WE, the paying customer wants... Our old SWG back. We don't want what is currently being pushed onto us. We were basically happy with the way things were barring a few issues. If you want a game that tens of thousands of people want to pay you to play, rollback your servers. But if you want a game that is no longer FUN but that you say is "more exciting..." then, by all means, keep the CU.
And just for the record, I've NEVER felt the need to post in a game forum. I don't participate in mindless banter about the merrits of a game. I have better things to do with my time. I've never posted until now because I've never felt passionate about a game like I do about SWG. It's hard to believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually mad and bothered by what has happened to SWG. I've invested quite a bit of time into this game. It's been all for naught.
We feel cheated. We feel used. We feel violated.
James Pratt - UI Designer
Hi everyone! I am the new user interface design lead for SWG. I have been brought on board here at Sony to design and manage changes and updates to the interface for the game. This includes things such as updating the look of buttons on the toolbar, the layout of examine windows, the colors in the Health/Action/Mind bars, and even the way the mouse and keyboard work to move around in the game.
While I have been an avid MMO player for many years, my experience comes from outside gaming industry. I received my doctorate in Human Factors Psychology, and I apply knowledge of human characteristics to design in order to make the experience anyone has with a system a good one. Before coming to SOE, I worked in the international consulting industry creating software interfaces for a variety of different businesses. I also worked in the defense industry designing software interfaces for some of the most cutting edge military applications being developed today.
My high-level goals for SWG are simple:
* Enhance the fun of the game by making game controls easier to use and more intuitive
* Design the interface so that it is easier to learn for newer players
* Assure the option to keep existing interfaces that work for current SWG players gaming style
* Develop a more consistent look and feel for toolbars and windows
* Usability test new and existing interfaces so assure quality of interface designs
All of this takes time, and we will be rolling in interface updates as soon as we can make them ready. In the meantime, I would like to hear your comments about the current SWG interface, both good and bad.
the bad thing is we replyed to this and most of us didnt want the new ui but they have statded that we didnt have to fret do to the old interfaces and icons would work with the new system these are all posted under the Archives notes. on the official swg station pages .
a few things sorry i dont post alot on fourms just read alot how ever notice here that in the list of things to acomplish it states ASURE THE OPTION OF KEEPING EXISTING INTERFACES THAT WORK FOR CURENT SWG PLAYERS !!!!!
also notice the TEST useabilty of new and existing interfaces for QUALITY OF INTERFACES !!!!
i agree the new look is very fanticy and realy not something that belongs in a si-fi style game.
now in game on live severs the icons stick the actions are not all working the anamations are barly working in some fights most of the main good skills are broke ,
things like being rooted for the time it take a bh to kill a jedi or when hit by a cm .
just woundering what happened here and when given feed back why didnt they listen to us?
this was posted last dec 2004 pre cu jsut befor alpha plan
what are some other goals for next year?
* Add more directed content in the game that enhances our Star Wars experience.
* Make the gameplay experience well paced and rewarding throughout advancement
* Help players understand goals and have directed experiences to achieve those goals
* Concentrating on more bug fixing
* We want to make combat faster, exciting, and rewarding.
* Work on improving all the non-combat professions.
The work I've seen so far shows that the team is focusing on the fun factor of combat and content. You will see us pick on the pace next year and provide rapid changes to the game. We look to you for your feedback while we continually improve the game. Have a safe and happy holiday.
See you in the game!
Rich Vogel
Executive Producer
Star Wars Galaxies
next question is the work on improving the all the non-combat profesions just fall off the face of the game if so just get rid of these types of classes if they dont want to take the time to add content and dit them in to the combat som how. they more or less have made all crafting not worth doing
and in my opion the warm up cool down is not faster than the old system in my opion its a lot slower i find my self waitng for the skills reset since the all have the same reset time.
was courious when are they guna concentrait on fixing the old bugs ?
dont get me wrong i and all players of seg wanted the game to be balanced non broke profesions stupid head hit s dizzy kds for example, but what the old core game hade was star warsy just dint have much content add to inhance it and make it more imersive a simple balancing of old profs and fixing the flaws in buffs and so one could have made it cheeper faster and way easer to do ,
i do want to say i am enjoying able to group and get the fullest out of it now thatwant likethat befor they did thos right and several outher aspects of the cu was good but they could have done this with out changing the base game to how it is now iam geting used to it but i didnt pay for this month a good friend did b/c they didnt want to be alone while they waited pacently for the devs to clean up there mess they have made. so i amguna give them this free month to see if they can keep up wiht the every outher day bug/balanceing they need to do till the end of themonth if things pan out so be it the day is saved and i can keep playing a SI-FI game not a EQ style game the effects are a bit much but then agin they hade to also please the wow toons that will be filling up the exchange severs as whell.
at times i feel i am a noob agin at the begning of the launch with this upgrade its easy to find waht skils are broke and exploit them but the real challange is to find the hard way to play and make it work as no one does that any more i they made the game much more challanging but they dint have to make the mobs thataggro all over that take over 3 mins to kill in most cases do to the wind up cool down worth 1 xp
100 xp or a stupid good pice of loot would be at least beter.
oh whell my 2 cents good luck happy hunting and safe journey what ever game you play just rember the games we play dont define us , are play styles and the abilty to be different and imersive does so find a game that has alot of adversty oh that was swg at one time heh .
U guys r saying 2 different things almost u agree with this but not that. Its almost as if ur about to be fired and don't care that much what u say.
So, i want to know who the hell is doing this if it wasnt exactly ur ideas because it wasnt ours.
We mainly just want our old system bac, true it want perfect but it was a hell of a lot better than it is now and i have to disagree about the wind up Cool down things actually take lees time and is better than Pre-CU Downgrade, as HAM goes within less than 15 seconds sometimes if ur a TK and ur trying specials.
But u also agreed the the Wind up and Cool Downs could take to long so thats double talk leading me to believe u guys r in trouble and had to maybe do some of this. if thats true, tell us something that we can do to get our game back, it just needed to be tweaqued. Not remade.