Pretty much another legendary LucasArts blooper. Just look at what they did to KotOR II. They released that game with about 25% or more of the content missing. For those who haven't played it, they quite literally skipped an entire portion of the game to make sure it would meet their deadline. This effectively means that there is no logical ending, several quests remain unsolved, several plots just drop dead without being resolved, an entire planet has been left out, along with tons of dialogue, ... Still, you pay the same price as you would for a finished product.
That company just has a history of similar rip-offs. Lucky for them Star Wars is a huge franchise, so people -icluding me, I grudgingly admit- will always have some interest in their product.
AC (retired); EQ (retired); DAoC (retired); Horizons (retired); EQII (retired); CoH (retired); AC II (tested); Lineage II (beta); Neocron (tested); Saga of Ryzom (beta); SWG (retired)...
Hello, I would like to add why i will not be renewing my 3 SWG accts when the subscription for them runs out.
Acct 1. 12 point Master Weaponsmith/Master Tailor/Master Artisan
I log on the day after the after cu to see 285 Krayt Advanced Blaster Handlers ruined, some of these power handlers had 137 maxium damage, all power handlers reduced now to 60 damage -2.00 speed to say i was angry is an understatment.I had spent millions of ingame credits, spent my game time and resources making them, to find them all turned to trash.I see on the holocron i cannot even send in a ticket.i read on the forums that they are all the stats they are supposed to be due to weapons now having max modifiers. Im so angry i dont log on for days, so then i think ok lets try the new cu and see i go buy some new krayt tissues wow their stats can be higher then 60 max , so now i try to make some weapons , not sure i understand the new dps but i was a good smith, i start crafting only to get all these message's this weapon 50% wound is beyond the stat allowed for this weapon, it will be adjusted to fit the current stats the wound is now addjusted to 38.2%, this weapons damage of 1256 is beyond the max damage allowed for this weapon it will be adjusted to the weapons current stats of 956 damage.Well that does it ... crafting is no longer fun .Bye bye main acct.
Acct 2: Master Doctor/Master Swordswoman
I read numerous forums about the doctor changes , i must say i didnt agree with them.I was a doctor who enjoyed my crafting buff, and med, with my swordsman skill and some scout i was able to head to dath or endor and gather my own herbivore meat, i was not a c-net buff bot, i also did not sell my buffs on vendors, i used them to buff guildmate's prior to a hunt, and i also enjoyed going on the hunts with my guildmates.They SOE said they wanted docs to be more active in the field, i thought i was, i was on many hunts DWB,Nightsisters,Geno Cave, removing all states from my guildmates keeping them healed up, in fact on some hunts i didnt even get a chance to wack a nightsister with my PH as i was to busy keeping everyone healed.So i also log my doc on the day after cu, to see all my beautiful buff packs reduced to some kind of nutrient something that i havent a clue on how to use. bye bye acct 2.
Acct 3: No masters: 4-1-4-4 Bio-Engineer , 2-1-0-0 Riflewoman
This acct and character was primarily to be a mule to provide my tailor with tissues for clothes and to suppy chefs in the guild with be enhancements for their food, un fortunatly chef and talioring have also changed and i dont have the space or desire to now craft the so called doc enhancements so bye bye acct 3
im now looking to start a new mmropg in the future hopefully vanguard will be something worth trying and luckily for me i kept my 2 UO accts 1 is over 6 years old so i can still relax in a game but it will no longer be an SOE game, i did enjoy SWG while it lasted, was a vet starting 1 week after launch, now however im just angry and bitter about it, if the cu had just been a little patch now and then to even out the fighting classes i would have had no beef, but the swg now isnt the game i grew to love and isnt one i want to pay to continue to play
What, is MMORPG.com David Letterman? Those were softball, questions--and you know it. MMORPG.com should criticize, and at least demand why players have not reimbursed.
Why did you ask SOE, or LucasArts, for the unaccounted bans on their forums as well as the censorship. Blatantly, you didn't push them for more answers and accepted business jargon in return.
For the most part, MMORPG.com is better than this. Shame.
"Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar." - Edward R. Murrow
Originally posted by Merodoc What, is MMORPG.com David Letterman?
I was thinking Larry King Live myself...
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Originally posted by Nihilx Pretty much another legendary LucasArts blooper. Just look at what they did to KotOR II. They released that game with about 25% or more of the content missing. For those who haven't played it, they quite literally skipped an entire portion of the game to make sure it would meet their deadline. This effectively means that there is no logical ending, several quests remain unsolved, several plots just drop dead without being resolved, an entire planet has been left out, along with tons of dialogue, ... Still, you pay the same price as you would for a finished product. That company just has a history of similar rip-offs. Lucky for them Star Wars is a huge franchise, so people -icluding me, I grudgingly admit- will always have some interest in their product.
Yes, ever since LA had a mass firing around the time of Episode 1 they haven't been the same. The company that once brought us great games like Full Throttle and Sam & Max can't seem to think of anything new beyond Star Wars now and what they do come up with for Star Wars stuff really is lacking. Republic Commando's and the Jedi Knight series are about the only ones that haven't suffered from LA's foolishness.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
i've been playing SWG pretty much since the beta 3 stage of the game, it was fun, original, and yes there were lots of problems along the way, but they were more or less dealt with, i've had more fun in this game than in any of the other online games, yet, a majority of my char's were entirely noncombattants, the game was unique in that you could do that, and be useful, and have fun. it seems incredible, that they could take all that away, in just a single so called upgrade, to the game. soe already has a combat only game, in planetside, and the various incarnations of everquest. it saddens me to have to leave SWG after all this time, but i feel as though i have been pushed out of the game. with a big sign saying, 'we dont want your sort in here' put up behind me, just because i role play, instead of shooting things. what about creativity, originality, fun even, dont they belong in SWG any more ?
Originally posted by Phry i've been playing SWG pretty much since the beta 3 stage of the game, it was fun, original, and yes there were lots of problems along the way, but they were more or less dealt with, i've had more fun in this game than in any of the other online games, yet, a majority of my char's were entirely noncombattants, the game was unique in that you could do that, and be useful, and have fun. it seems incredible, that they could take all that away, in just a single so called upgrade, to the game. soe already has a combat only game, in planetside, and the various incarnations of everquest. it saddens me to have to leave SWG after all this time, but i feel as though i have been pushed out of the game. with a big sign saying, 'we dont want your sort in here' put up behind me, just because i role play, instead of shooting things. what about creativity, originality, fun even, dont they belong in SWG any more ?
I have to agree with you on the fact that they took so much away from the game by making non-combatants pretty much impossible. And what ticks me off more is that they have stated they don't know how they are going to fix it yet, they implemented the system anyways and will figure out something later for them. Thats HORRIBLE development when there are flaws in the core of the game workings that aren't addressed in the main design. If your design doesn't FULLY work then you better start over and stop trying to MAKE a system work that obviously doesn't with your game model. If I did my development like that my boss would have had me packing years ago.
SWG to me had some of the most well thought out non-combat oriented professions in an MMO. I was truly impressed when I first started playing and saw how they worked in entertainers and doctors. And now I am truly unimpressed with how they undid that system. Overall though I will say I am having alot of fun with the CU, with exception to the bugs I have to work around.
So if you really understand what I just said you will understand where my concerns lie. I am not worried about how hard it will be to grind jedi, I am not worried about the fact that they changed the toolbar icons. I am not worried about how hard the game is now considering I just did a master professions post CU in a week. What I am worried about is the condition of the core game and how the game is gonna be a year from now when they are still welding plates onto this new system.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Finnahen from Tempest here. I enjoyed SWG for nearly two years, managed a huge guild and player city. As a result of having a mayor, dancer, various crafting toons, I had twelve accounts. Including a jedi.
I looked forward to playing *every* day in some capacity , I went to Fanfest, dutifully waded through the bugs in every patch and *still* loved it.
I met hundreds of great people and for that I will be grateful. But what SOE did to this game is a crime. "Alienate the accomplished player base" What kind of bunk is that? Blaming their own laziness and game-breaking bugs on the "accomplished players" is the deadliest company decision they could have possibly ever made. They are the epitome of arrogance.
Some in SOE may realize it but they wont do anything about it - they are convinced they are right and we ( the players are wrong ). I had no choice but to terminate my accounts and show SOE how wrong they were. Mine dont really matter to SOE, I know that - but the hundreds, thousands of angry voiced beside me tell me they will regret this.
Maybe years from now another company will pick the Star Wars Online rights - but as long as it is SOE I wont go near it.
Originally posted by admriker444 Whats really sad is the aftermath on SWG's forums now. I feel like Im the only person left still trying to complain about the CU. I post anything even remotely critical (like how the Kahyyk planet isnt a planet but more like a dungeon due to its size and being forced to travel in paths) and I get major flames. check out this link to see an example... http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Eclipse&message.id=544280 Then the rest of the kiddies who like the CU are busy over in the jedi forums telling me and other padawans to just "adjust" to not being able to play by going against all reasons I became a jedi (to be able to solo) and group up and accept BH losses.... http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=875410 Bah I might as well quit too since I cant stand the new player base thats replaced the mature intelligent crowd that left.
Nah, we just stopped posting and replying... and stopped logging in, and stopped paying SOE money. Don't take our silence in SWG forums as an indicator of where peeps stand on this, instead take the silence of the ingame lack of population and sound of crickets as the indicator of SWG riding the tide to disaster... We're just getting burned out on SOE and their abusive moderators, and its not getting us anywhere anyway, I'm afraid. It will be some months, and after the brief, temporary increase they may see from ROTW and the new movie, but the decay will continue in full force thereafter...
Originally posted by BleuDestiny Well after the two most recent public responses by SOE/LA, I am now convinced that they are going to ride SWG into the ground. The constant decay and recent outrage/press that accelerated the decay will not deter them. I think its time to move on to greener pastures. There is no hope for SWG for the foreseeable future, we're likely months away from any turning point, after they see a brief rise from the movies as they saw the brief rise from JTL, it will take some time for all the player attrition to get past the hump of executives no longer being able to say, "we knew we'd take some adverse pain from this, but in the long run we knew it would be better for the game," and having to admit, "we blew it yet again, and what can we do now to salvage SWG, even with the credibility of a new project leadership team?" So sad. 2 years of heart and passion, and having it wiped out.
I logged in on Saturday for 30 minutes to look around, check the maintenance on my buildings, and restock any of my storage vendors that are holding my belongings, supplies, and loot that make up my 2 years of hard work (I've already given away my millions and millions of crafting resources) before my cancellation subscription period ended on Sunday...
I was completely amazed at how much the game has changed... It was one thing testing combat in the Test Center for a while, but as I looked at my various toon's goods, my weapons, my armor, my meds and components (I was a Doctor crafter until the game revamp destroyed that role), and I didn't recognize anything, nothing made sense. I couldn't equip weapons or figure out the cert system for weapons and armor, by examining the items, the meds and components were all foriegn, and now crafted by another profession (the 5% of meds crafted items remaining now in the game), and it's all just unintelligible, and even more unintuative! - and SWG always had a problem with being unintuative in the first place, and they made it even worse.
So, while they wring their hands and try to wait us out, I have little to no hope of coming back ever, and don't think I'll want to come back even if they roll back now, once my goods poof from the storage vendors representing my two years of hard work, and crafting resources already gone. I've been playing KOTOR, since I didn't get to play it back when I was on SWG every day, and its a hoot, I love it, and proly KOTOR II after...
The overall treatment of players by SOE is a REAL turn off. They asked their own fans to score the Combat Upgrade and they 80% EIGHTY PERCENT GAVE IT A 1 out of 5!!!!!
Spending my time from -1 day one on this game this has upset me a great deal. I spent hours, $$$ out of game, $$$$ in game to get to where i was, so I dont want to here losers saying "well the elite players are just mad because they are not elite anymore." Yeah, we worked for where we got, and we deserved better treatment from SOE!
I put up with the same bugs from beta 3 and the same bad lag for a lot of my guildmates and I never saw anything done about that. Then they lie about the CU saying it will tweak the game but instead they overhaul it totally and give us a piece of crap generic Eversuck in space!
and LOL, the CU brought MORE LAG, and MORE BUGS, LOL!!
Oh My GOD SOE YOU SUCK!!!
LOL
ANd to have Smedley say he has read the petition and they just want ideas, then I guess he really did not read the petition lol! We gave him ideas, like keep the UNIQUE system we all loved and just balance things out a bit. But no, we just got banned or treated like crap by SOE.
Oh well SOE I am making it my personal mission to review this game everywhere and say what I have to say. The sad thing is, what I will say will not be made up it will be the truth. No more protecting this game from anyone else.
Originally posted by MSCav The overall treatment of players by SOE is a REAL turn off. They asked their own fans to score the Combat Upgrade and they 80% EIGHTY PERCENT GAVE IT A 1 out of 5!!!!!
Actually that part isn't true. 80% of the people that voted on the official forum gave it a 1. And forum polls are never very credible. A single person could have easily of wracked up half of the votes on it, and that number was only for people that use the official forum and took the time to vote. Don't you think its alittle suspicious that so many gave it a 1? I has its horrible points but I would never of given it a 1.
You must also remember, the average user of an MMO does not bother going to the official forums for it, I would say a large majority simply play the game, get their news from the login screen and thats about it. So to judge something based on its forum feedback isn't always the most accurate way to find out what the player base feels.
However, I am not saying there weren't a great many people that didn't like it, I feel a large percentage of the people don't. I myself am rather displeased with alot of aspects of it. However, I am not just listening to all the flaming on the forums here and on the official site and considering that the voice of the masses. I consider it a part of it, but not the whole.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Regardless sir, we dont know if just a small faction of players clicked on the poll or not. To say not many people did based on assumption would be wrong. I certainly did after a few days of the CU on the test center. Also, it still showed 80% giving it a 1 out of 5. That is the only thing that was fact because I can see where what you say is right. But the truth we can agree on is that 80% gave it a 1 out of 5, and you know those 80% were the players who deserved better respect by SOE, not being lied to and banned for voicing concerns.
On the contrary, if I recall the poll was 1000 votes, or near that. I would hardly say thats anything near the population in SWG. Even if it were 10,000 votes, that would still be a very small part of the player base.
And no, I can't agree with you on that for the reasons I already stated. A forum poll is horribly inaccurate. And secondly you are blaming SOE solely on this it seems and I honestly have a hunch that LA was more responsible for these decisions then SOE was. I could be wrong, but all we can do is speculate since there is no one to confirm or deny any of it.
Should Sony have handled it better? Absolutely. But I certainly am not gonna give them all the credit when Lucas Arts is sitting there screwing with the mix as well and perhaps the one that is actually calling the shots (which they should be since its THEIR title).
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Forum polls have accuracy problems, but EVERY poll that's been conducted on EVERY site related to SWG, regardless of whether membership was required to vote, whether cookies were used, whether IP's were filtered, etc, etc, has shown a consistent 74-79% against the CU.
There is no magical majority of existing players that liked the CU but kept silent. Period.
Over time, by definition, a majority of SWG players will accept the CU, because they are the ones who will stay.
I visited my haunts on Shadowfire yesterday... the place is a GHOST TOWN. If player housing and city caps didn't make it such a pain in the rear to implement, we might be looking at server consolidations pretty soon.
I played SWG since August, 2003. I have tried the new system. It is much slower in combat than the previous system. There are so many bugs it is almost unplayable. When people complained about it on the forums their accounts were banned by SOE. Does that sound like a proffessional company? They would take no criticism. I am not a child, I am an adult and they act like all of the players are elementary school age when dealing with us. I had 3 accounts with 2 Jedi, all ground the hard way. I have cancelled all 3 now! Thanks to SOE for lieing to the player base, the worst Customer Relations of any game and most of all for Pure Unadulterated Stupidity! Saying the player base veterans do not like change is fool hardy, we are tired of Beta testing their live game! I have 2 WoW accounts now and Blizzard does an excellent job of quick fixing any bugs and Customer Relations! I do not think I am afraid of change since I did start a New Game ( which is infinitely better, but not Star Wars which I loved). Was Rus' on Tempest and now Darwar on Tunderlord!
Well I know the petition has over 16,000 signatures and many names were taken off due to fake names, doulbe posts, and bad language (I know this because I signed it twice since I had 2 accounts and both were removed so I had to re submit to the petition).
I might agree that LA could have something to do with it, but I would think LA is to busy with Ep.3 and other games to just focus on 1 game.
Originally posted by MSCav Well I know the petition has over 16,000 signatures and many names were taken off due to fake names, doulbe posts, and bad language (I know this because I signed it twice since I had 2 accounts and both were removed so I had to re submit to the petition).I might agree that LA could have something to do with it, but I would think LA is to busy with Ep.3 and other games to just focus on 1 game.
I am fairly certain Lucas Arts is a completely seperate division or "company" so to speak from the media company. They all carry George Lucas's name, but they are all under their own management. That would mean all they have to do is sit and focus on their games, and I would think SWG would be their utmost priority since its perpetual.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
LucasArts has a mark on any game with Star Wars involved, but I dont think Sony sat there and said yeah this is a bad idea, if anything Sony went to LucasArts and said "hey we can make this game look like Everquest, a better seller." And LucasArts went, "okay" and went back to KOTOR or liek I said Ep3.
The fact remains, many polls show it having a 1 out of 5 rating, and with over 16K signatures and the now worse lag and more bugs and lack of any true players left in SWG (yes there are some) Sony is eating it right now.
Originally posted by MSCav LucasArts has a mark on any game with Star Wars involved, but I dont think Sony sat there and said yeah this is a bad idea, if anything Sony went to LucasArts and said "hey we can make this game look like Everquest, a better seller." And LucasArts went, "okay" and went back to KOTOR or liek I said Ep3.The fact remains, many polls show it having a 1 out of 5 rating, and with over 16K signatures and the now worse lag and more bugs and lack of any true players left in SWG (yes there are some) Sony is eating it right now.
Not sure what that has to do with what I said but yes LA does have their name on everything video game and Star Wars. I do not I see how you feel a company would not worry about a product cause they have too many. LA has people assigned to do those little tasks, in this case Hayden Blackman. And you really feel that LA's position on it is Sony comes up and sells them on idea's? Do you think thats how Jedi got into the game? You might wanna think on that one.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
The crafting changes that were made are intentional and did change the game play for the crafters.
I would like to comment that this is complete BS. Almost nothing is the same for crafters. As a Master WS and Master AS on Bloodfin, I cant make it to my harvestors to collect materials without being killed by the smallest of critters. I dont even have the chance to run before I am incapped. And now caps have been put in place for each and every crafted item ensuring they fall within target values. This sounds like a good thing at first, but when examined more closely this system punishes you for making an item too good. Not sure whether they cut and pasted code from another mmorpg, but it woulda made their job easier if they had. This once unique and vibrant game has now been made mundane and boring. Its about the same as any other game out there now just with a Star Wars backdrop. Save yourself the monthly and play Guildwars. It is shameful how SOE blatantly disreguarded their customer base.
I have been folowing every post on this forum, as well as scanning several other sites including SOE's SWG forums. So far i see 75% of the posters, not counting multiple posts by same users, flaming etc... to be negative about the CU. Many of my friends have quit in the last week folowing the CU. Many of these friends were the reason i was trying to get used to the CU ... now i am in the process of canceling one account, wondering if my son will want to keep playing after he gets here for the summer (if not 2nd, & 3rd account canceled). Not to mention my girlfriend and i used to play SWG together and now she wants to quit, she unlocked her jedi RIGHT before the CU went live after grinding out ALL 32 professions and 2 different pilot ones, that will be the 4th and final account gone. I understand somelike the CU, I also look around and it seems MANY more hate it.
I have played for almost 2 years, my girlfriend for over a year.
Looking forward to DDO and trying to give the CU a chance til then. Its tough to play a game when all your friends dont want to play due to SOE's lack of respect for its current players and their ideas and input on how the game should have not changed so drastically. Really think SOE got pissed about the JTL push and Combat BALANCE roll back... but that is my opinion
Basically, the concensus has been with the majority of the people who browse the internet, post, read, and comment on SWG that they all disagree with the shoddy implimentation of this so called "combat upgrade". To argue that the polls are wrong because they have only a small fraction of the number of people who play the game represented is like saying that a bucket filled with ocean water isn't from the ocean. That is the whole purpose of a poll is to sample a part of a target group for answers.
SOE and Lucasarts have placed this MMORPG game on track for history to remember it as the "bludder upgrade" that was ruined by crappy management decisions and inept programmers that cared for nothing of this game they helped "develop". Will they reverse this "upgrade"? No, they won't ever "admit" to their own imperfections and flawed decisions. Will this game continue for much longer? The end of the year we will see the beginnings of SOE "wrapping up" this project. Will we see a SWG2? I bloody well hope so, and it better not be an SOE project. Until then, Star Trek Online is looking very good on the horizon.
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Pretty much another legendary LucasArts blooper. Just look at what they did to KotOR II. They released that game with about 25% or more of the content missing. For those who haven't played it, they quite literally skipped an entire portion of the game to make sure it would meet their deadline. This effectively means that there is no logical ending, several quests remain unsolved, several plots just drop dead without being resolved, an entire planet has been left out, along with tons of dialogue, ... Still, you pay the same price as you would for a finished product.
That company just has a history of similar rip-offs. Lucky for them Star Wars is a huge franchise, so people -icluding me, I grudgingly admit- will always have some interest in their product.
AC (retired); EQ (retired); DAoC (retired); Horizons (retired); EQII (retired); CoH (retired); AC II (tested); Lineage II (beta); Neocron (tested); Saga of Ryzom (beta); SWG (retired)...
Hello, I would like to add why i will not be renewing my 3 SWG accts when the subscription for them runs out.
Acct 1. 12 point Master Weaponsmith/Master Tailor/Master Artisan
I log on the day after the after cu to see 285 Krayt Advanced Blaster Handlers ruined, some of these power handlers had 137 maxium damage, all power handlers reduced now to 60 damage -2.00 speed to say i was angry is an understatment.I had spent millions of ingame credits, spent my game time and resources making them, to find them all turned to trash.I see on the holocron i cannot even send in a ticket.i read on the forums that they are all the stats they are supposed to be due to weapons now having max modifiers. Im so angry i dont log on for days, so then i think ok lets try the new cu and see i go buy some new krayt tissues wow their stats can be higher then 60 max , so now i try to make some weapons , not sure i understand the new dps but i was a good smith, i start crafting only to get all these message's this weapon 50% wound is beyond the stat allowed for this weapon, it will be adjusted to fit the current stats the wound is now addjusted to 38.2%, this weapons damage of 1256 is beyond the max damage allowed for this weapon it will be adjusted to the weapons current stats of 956 damage.Well that does it ... crafting is no longer fun .Bye bye main acct.
Acct 2: Master Doctor/Master Swordswoman
I read numerous forums about the doctor changes , i must say i didnt agree with them.I was a doctor who enjoyed my crafting buff, and med, with my swordsman skill and some scout i was able to head to dath or endor and gather my own herbivore meat, i was not a c-net buff bot, i also did not sell my buffs on vendors, i used them to buff guildmate's prior to a hunt, and i also enjoyed going on the hunts with my guildmates.They SOE said they wanted docs to be more active in the field, i thought i was, i was on many hunts DWB,Nightsisters,Geno Cave, removing all states from my guildmates keeping them healed up, in fact on some hunts i didnt even get a chance to wack a nightsister with my PH as i was to busy keeping everyone healed.So i also log my doc on the day after cu, to see all my beautiful buff packs reduced to some kind of nutrient something that i havent a clue on how to use. bye bye acct 2.
Acct 3: No masters: 4-1-4-4 Bio-Engineer , 2-1-0-0 Riflewoman
This acct and character was primarily to be a mule to provide my tailor with tissues for clothes and to suppy chefs in the guild with be enhancements for their food, un fortunatly chef and talioring have also changed and i dont have the space or desire to now craft the so called doc enhancements so bye bye acct 3
im now looking to start a new mmropg in the future hopefully vanguard will be something worth trying and luckily for me i kept my 2 UO accts 1 is over 6 years old so i can still relax in a game but it will no longer be an SOE game, i did enjoy SWG while it lasted, was a vet starting 1 week after launch, now however im just angry and bitter about it, if the cu had just been a little patch now and then to even out the fighting classes i would have had no beef, but the swg now isnt the game i grew to love and isnt one i want to pay to continue to play
What, is MMORPG.com David Letterman? Those were softball, questions--and you know it. MMORPG.com should criticize, and at least demand why players have not reimbursed.
Why did you ask SOE, or LucasArts, for the unaccounted bans on their forums as well as the censorship. Blatantly, you didn't push them for more answers and accepted business jargon in return.
For the most part, MMORPG.com is better than this. Shame.
"Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar."
- Edward R. Murrow
a sad thing that even Lucas Arts supports this downgrade of an (former) excellent game.
2 more accounts canceled
faster pussycat - kill kill kill
I was thinking Larry King Live myself...
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Yes, ever since LA had a mass firing around the time of Episode 1 they haven't been the same. The company that once brought us great games like Full Throttle and Sam & Max can't seem to think of anything new beyond Star Wars now and what they do come up with for Star Wars stuff really is lacking. Republic Commando's and the Jedi Knight series are about the only ones that haven't suffered from LA's foolishness.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I have to agree with you on the fact that they took so much away from the game by making non-combatants pretty much impossible. And what ticks me off more is that they have stated they don't know how they are going to fix it yet, they implemented the system anyways and will figure out something later for them. Thats HORRIBLE development when there are flaws in the core of the game workings that aren't addressed in the main design. If your design doesn't FULLY work then you better start over and stop trying to MAKE a system work that obviously doesn't with your game model. If I did my development like that my boss would have had me packing years ago.
SWG to me had some of the most well thought out non-combat oriented professions in an MMO. I was truly impressed when I first started playing and saw how they worked in entertainers and doctors. And now I am truly unimpressed with how they undid that system. Overall though I will say I am having alot of fun with the CU, with exception to the bugs I have to work around.
So if you really understand what I just said you will understand where my concerns lie. I am not worried about how hard it will be to grind jedi, I am not worried about the fact that they changed the toolbar icons. I am not worried about how hard the game is now considering I just did a master professions post CU in a week. What I am worried about is the condition of the core game and how the game is gonna be a year from now when they are still welding plates onto this new system.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Finnahen from Tempest here. I enjoyed SWG for nearly two years, managed a huge guild and player city. As a result of having a mayor, dancer, various crafting toons, I had twelve accounts. Including a jedi.
I looked forward to playing *every* day in some capacity , I went to Fanfest, dutifully waded through the bugs in every patch and *still* loved it.
I met hundreds of great people and for that I will be grateful. But what SOE did to this game is a crime. "Alienate the accomplished player base" What kind of bunk is that? Blaming their own laziness and game-breaking bugs on the "accomplished players" is the deadliest company decision they could have possibly ever made. They are the epitome of arrogance.
Some in SOE may realize it but they wont do anything about it - they are convinced they are right and we ( the players are wrong ). I had no choice but to terminate my accounts and show SOE how wrong they were. Mine dont really matter to SOE, I know that - but the hundreds, thousands of angry voiced beside me tell me they will regret this.
Maybe years from now another company will pick the Star Wars Online rights - but as long as it is SOE I wont go near it.
SOE killed Star Wars!
I logged in on Saturday for 30 minutes to look around, check the maintenance on my buildings, and restock any of my storage vendors that are holding my belongings, supplies, and loot that make up my 2 years of hard work (I've already given away my millions and millions of crafting resources) before my cancellation subscription period ended on Sunday...
I was completely amazed at how much the game has changed... It was one thing testing combat in the Test Center for a while, but as I looked at my various toon's goods, my weapons, my armor, my meds and components (I was a Doctor crafter until the game revamp destroyed that role), and I didn't recognize anything, nothing made sense. I couldn't equip weapons or figure out the cert system for weapons and armor, by examining the items, the meds and components were all foriegn, and now crafted by another profession (the 5% of meds crafted items remaining now in the game), and it's all just unintelligible, and even more unintuative! - and SWG always had a problem with being unintuative in the first place, and they made it even worse.
So, while they wring their hands and try to wait us out, I have little to no hope of coming back ever, and don't think I'll want to come back even if they roll back now, once my goods poof from the storage vendors representing my two years of hard work, and crafting resources already gone. I've been playing KOTOR, since I didn't get to play it back when I was on SWG every day, and its a hoot, I love it, and proly KOTOR II after...
Good luck SWG fellows and formers...
The overall treatment of players by SOE is a REAL turn off. They asked their own fans to score the Combat Upgrade and they 80% EIGHTY PERCENT GAVE IT A 1 out of 5!!!!!
Spending my time from -1 day one on this game this has upset me a great deal. I spent hours, $$$ out of game, $$$$ in game to get to where i was, so I dont want to here losers saying "well the elite players are just mad because they are not elite anymore." Yeah, we worked for where we got, and we deserved better treatment from SOE!
I put up with the same bugs from beta 3 and the same bad lag for a lot of my guildmates and I never saw anything done about that. Then they lie about the CU saying it will tweak the game but instead they overhaul it totally and give us a piece of crap generic Eversuck in space!
and LOL, the CU brought MORE LAG, and MORE BUGS, LOL!!
Oh My GOD SOE YOU SUCK!!!
LOL
ANd to have Smedley say he has read the petition and they just want ideas, then I guess he really did not read the petition lol! We gave him ideas, like keep the UNIQUE system we all loved and just balance things out a bit. But no, we just got banned or treated like crap by SOE.
Oh well SOE I am making it my personal mission to review this game everywhere and say what I have to say. The sad thing is, what I will say will not be made up it will be the truth. No more protecting this game from anyone else.
and yes if they would go back to the original unique system, I would come back and make it my personal mission to bring half my guild back as well.
Actually that part isn't true. 80% of the people that voted on the official forum gave it a 1. And forum polls are never very credible. A single person could have easily of wracked up half of the votes on it, and that number was only for people that use the official forum and took the time to vote. Don't you think its alittle suspicious that so many gave it a 1? I has its horrible points but I would never of given it a 1.
You must also remember, the average user of an MMO does not bother going to the official forums for it, I would say a large majority simply play the game, get their news from the login screen and thats about it. So to judge something based on its forum feedback isn't always the most accurate way to find out what the player base feels.
However, I am not saying there weren't a great many people that didn't like it, I feel a large percentage of the people don't. I myself am rather displeased with alot of aspects of it. However, I am not just listening to all the flaming on the forums here and on the official site and considering that the voice of the masses. I consider it a part of it, but not the whole.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Regardless sir, we dont know if just a small faction of players clicked on the poll or not. To say not many people did based on assumption would be wrong. I certainly did after a few days of the CU on the test center. Also, it still showed 80% giving it a 1 out of 5. That is the only thing that was fact because I can see where what you say is right. But the truth we can agree on is that 80% gave it a 1 out of 5, and you know those 80% were the players who deserved better respect by SOE, not being lied to and banned for voicing concerns.
On the contrary, if I recall the poll was 1000 votes, or near that. I would hardly say thats anything near the population in SWG. Even if it were 10,000 votes, that would still be a very small part of the player base.
And no, I can't agree with you on that for the reasons I already stated. A forum poll is horribly inaccurate. And secondly you are blaming SOE solely on this it seems and I honestly have a hunch that LA was more responsible for these decisions then SOE was. I could be wrong, but all we can do is speculate since there is no one to confirm or deny any of it.
Should Sony have handled it better? Absolutely. But I certainly am not gonna give them all the credit when Lucas Arts is sitting there screwing with the mix as well and perhaps the one that is actually calling the shots (which they should be since its THEIR title).
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
That's like Nixon's "silent majority" excuse.
Forum polls have accuracy problems, but EVERY poll that's been conducted on EVERY site related to SWG, regardless of whether membership was required to vote, whether cookies were used, whether IP's were filtered, etc, etc, has shown a consistent 74-79% against the CU.
There is no magical majority of existing players that liked the CU but kept silent. Period.
Over time, by definition, a majority of SWG players will accept the CU, because they are the ones who will stay.
I visited my haunts on Shadowfire yesterday... the place is a GHOST TOWN. If player housing and city caps didn't make it such a pain in the rear to implement, we might be looking at server consolidations pretty soon.
Well I know the petition has over 16,000 signatures and many names were taken off due to fake names, doulbe posts, and bad language (I know this because I signed it twice since I had 2 accounts and both were removed so I had to re submit to the petition).
I might agree that LA could have something to do with it, but I would think LA is to busy with Ep.3 and other games to just focus on 1 game.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
LucasArts has a mark on any game with Star Wars involved, but I dont think Sony sat there and said yeah this is a bad idea, if anything Sony went to LucasArts and said "hey we can make this game look like Everquest, a better seller." And LucasArts went, "okay" and went back to KOTOR or liek I said Ep3.
The fact remains, many polls show it having a 1 out of 5 rating, and with over 16K signatures and the now worse lag and more bugs and lack of any true players left in SWG (yes there are some) Sony is eating it right now.
Not sure what that has to do with what I said but yes LA does have their name on everything video game and Star Wars. I do not I see how you feel a company would not worry about a product cause they have too many. LA has people assigned to do those little tasks, in this case Hayden Blackman. And you really feel that LA's position on it is Sony comes up and sells them on idea's? Do you think thats how Jedi got into the game? You might wanna think on that one.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
The crafting changes that were made are intentional and did change the game play for the crafters.
I have been folowing every post on this forum, as well as scanning several other sites including SOE's SWG forums. So far i see 75% of the posters, not counting multiple posts by same users, flaming etc... to be negative about the CU. Many of my friends have quit in the last week folowing the CU. Many of these friends were the reason i was trying to get used to the CU ... now i am in the process of canceling one account, wondering if my son will want to keep playing after he gets here for the summer (if not 2nd, & 3rd account canceled). Not to mention my girlfriend and i used to play SWG together and now she wants to quit, she unlocked her jedi RIGHT before the CU went live after grinding out ALL 32 professions and 2 different pilot ones, that will be the 4th and final account gone. I understand somelike the CU, I also look around and it seems MANY more hate it.
I have played for almost 2 years, my girlfriend for over a year.
Looking forward to DDO and trying to give the CU a chance til then. Its tough to play a game when all your friends dont want to play due to SOE's lack of respect for its current players and their ideas and input on how the game should have not changed so drastically. Really think SOE got pissed about the JTL push and Combat BALANCE roll back... but that is my opinion
Basically, the concensus has been with the majority of the people who browse the internet, post, read, and comment on SWG that they all disagree with the shoddy implimentation of this so called "combat upgrade". To argue that the polls are wrong because they have only a small fraction of the number of people who play the game represented is like saying that a bucket filled with ocean water isn't from the ocean. That is the whole purpose of a poll is to sample a part of a target group for answers.
SOE and Lucasarts have placed this MMORPG game on track for history to remember it as the "bludder upgrade" that was ruined by crappy management decisions and inept programmers that cared for nothing of this game they helped "develop". Will they reverse this "upgrade"? No, they won't ever "admit" to their own imperfections and flawed decisions. Will this game continue for much longer? The end of the year we will see the beginnings of SOE "wrapping up" this project. Will we see a SWG2? I bloody well hope so, and it better not be an SOE project. Until then, Star Trek Online is looking very good on the horizon.