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GW2 becoming indirectly P2W(time spent)?
snow529
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(Since almost all no-sub mmo removed, or does not even have, over-powered cash items, the P2W in my point of view has became how a cash player could save a great amount of time over a free player.)
Am I the only one who is thinking about this? For instance, with the newly introduced sellable agony resistence and increasing rate for gem to gold, a cash player could easily obtain almost all available pve gears(any stats) instantly. There are also many other ways to spend you real money in gw2 to gain a time lead. Due to the low gold-reward rate with the punishment from DR, free players need to spend so long on either grinding dungeons or farming gold in order to achieve the same.
Although I already got what I wanted after excessively and repetitively doing some contents, I really feel bad about the situation that new players will face.
Edit: Highlight the part of changing definition on P2W to improve the understanding of my original intention.
Edit 2: Reword the part for AR to make it more clear. Now it should not makes reader thinks that pay to get AR is the main point of my argument.
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I haven't been keeping up with GW2 lately, but I actually quit because of this. I could see the company moving this direction and it sucked. It was only a matter of time before you had the 'option' to buy gear or grind a crazy amount of time get it. Sad really
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strange, I spent 3w farming to gear one of my toons with exotics, not even grinding.
When done I had a full geared player with the same stats like all the ppl that bought their gear through gem/gold purchase on their shop. Sure, my armor and weaponry doesn't look like theirs with all the flames and stuff, but I sure roll em in PVP though.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Personally I think Guild Wars 2 is dominated by pay to look good.
Now I automatically know people's responses to this. "It's only cosmetic! etc. etc."
So let me rephrase that. Guild Wars 2 is pay to not look like some one took a big dump all over your armor.
Essentially in MMOs. One of the core end game elements is to make your avatar look good. With Guild Wars 2. The only way that is achievable is through the gem shop.
So basically what it comes down to in the end.
Guild Wars 2 /IS/ Pay to Win.
Also instant credit card legendaries. I know one person on my server who has bought 5.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
People who rush the games and want to have all the best items in 2 days call every single non-sub game pay to win. In mmos you are supossed to take your time to get the things you want. If you rush that is your problem, dont call it pay to win because you klilled your own chance to enjoy the game by rushing it then complain that the cash shop had boosts (that you maybe didnt even used to rush).
For people who say that GW2 cash shop is just "pay to look good, therefore is p2w" you have zero idea what p2w is. Also, taste varies per person. I personally only like 1 armor skin from the cash shop (one of the aetherblade). There are a lot of in game armors that are faaar better looking than all the ones in the cash shop. But like i said, that is my personal taste. Just because you prefer the ones in the cash shop it doesnt make the game p2w.
Stop the hate. Period.
3 weeks ? What does that even mean ? Depending on who you ask, that 3 weeks could be anywhere between 1 hour of playing and 300 hours of playing...
For the average MMO player 3 weeks probably translates to around 30-40 hours of play. If you can get a full set of exotics from 30-40 hours of play using no XP boosters or any other Cash Shop "convenience item", then Anet have probably miscalculated their monetization slightly
As a freelancer, there have been times in my life where I've had time on my hands between contracts. Sometimes I probably racked up +100 hours of gaming in 7 days without even thinking about it.
You don't have a clue what Pay2Win games are like, do you? GW2 isn't P2W, nowhere near it. In Pay2Win games an paying player will OWN a non-paying player in PvP, in some games one heavy-cashshopper can wipe a dozen non-cashshoppers without breaking a sweat. In GW2 a non-cashshopper has access to gear with exactly the same stats as the cashshoppers. There is no P2W in GW2.
You could buy Legendaries and be a bit stronger in WvW than a non-cashshopper who doesn't have the time to acquire the best gear, but the difference is marginal enough that you're not going to be able to wipe a small group just because you bought tons of gems, just to get your Legendary faster.
So if you barely beat someone in WvW due to your buying stuff, and they didn't, you didn't pay to beat them? Got it.
Does everyone fail at reading comprehension?
Its in his opinion that the definition of pay to win is changing to what he describes.
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Actually no. If you don't have time, just craft an ascended weapon. You can craft one in days or if you're lucky enough you can drop one in fractals. And ascended weapons got the same stats with legendary weapons.
@AzurePrower.;
I'm sure that you don't know anything about Gw2... There are very limited number of armor skins in gem shop. And by the way you can buy all of them with your gold. Let's see.. I need 119 gold for buy a full cultural armor set. By the way cultural armors aren't exotics. So they're like armor skins. And I need 500 or 800 gems for buy an armor skin in gem shop. Let's say I want to buy an armor skin which cost me 800 gems. In game right now 800 gems equal to 69-70 gold. So tell me... Is this the p2w game that you're talking about?
I stopped here and laughed.
I think I've been and done pretty much every thing in Guild Wars 2.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
Word.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Actually no. If you don't have time, just craft an ascended weapon. You can craft one in days or if you're lucky enough you can drop one in fractals. And ascended weapons got the same stats with legendary weapons.
Also no. Let me know when ascended can be obtained at level 1 instantly AND can swap their stats to any stat set you desire like credit card legendaries can.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
It's my opinion that the value of 4 is 3.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Are you still goin' about this? Seriously? So you're more powerful than any players who don't buy gems. Because you can change you legendary's stats any time you want! Btw any player can get these legendary weapons with just "playing" the game and with no gems at all. Such a pity...
Have fun grinding for them. Took me over a year to get one. Then there's the chap who walks around with 5 of them he credit card swiped in the first three months.
Having the ability to change your stats on the fly is a very powerful thing indeed.
Could you imagine not being able to change your traits on the fly or between fights?
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
1. So you mean that "new_skin_from_shop" = WIN in the game? OK, may be few ppl thinking as you. Will not argue.
2. I like to see that somebody purchased something in a shop. Why not. Here is NO monthly fee. But developers must earn money to create new stuff. Sometimes I also donate to support Anet if I like the content.
3. Many ppl also never use the shop, because it useles. It will not help to win in PvP or to obtain top place of your server in WWW. You can not even make jumping puzzle or beat Tequatl using cash shop :-) So it's not P2Win game at all.
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Actually no. If you don't have time, just craft an ascended weapon. You can craft one in days or if you're lucky enough you can drop one in fractals. And ascended weapons got the same stats with legendary weapons.
Also no. Let me know when ascended can be obtained at level 1 instantly AND can swap their stats to any stat set you desire like credit card legendaries can.
Are you still goin' about this? Seriously? So you're more powerful than any players who don't buy gems. Because you can change you legendary's stats any time you want! Btw any player can get these legendary weapons with just playing the game and with no gems at all. Such a pity...
Have fun grinding for them. Took me over a year to get one. Then there's the chap who walks around with 5 of them he credit card swiped in the first three months.
Having the ability to change your stats on the fly is a very powerful thing indeed.
Could you imagine not being able to change your traits on the fly or between fights?
Actually I got my bolt within 3,5-4 months.
And no it is not a powerful thing. Why the hell I need to change my weapon's stats unless I need to change my pve build to wvw build etc...
2. I like to see that somebody purchased something in a shop. Why not. Here is NO monthly fee. But developers must earn money to create new stuff. Sometimes I also donate to support Anet if I like the content.
3. Many ppl also never use the shop, because it useles. It will not help to win in PvP or to obtain top place of your server in WWW. You can not even make jumping puzzle or beat Tequatl using cash shop :-) So it's not P2Win game at all.
1. When most of the in game non-gem shop skins are trash. Yes. Especially armors.
2. I really dislike "there is no monthly fees" as a free pass to gouge the players. The amount the store nickles and dimes you is by far more than what ever a subscription would be. If you chose to not spend money on the store out of principle like I do. You are at a disadvantage.
3. The many people who are not using the shop are directly affected by the economy and are at the mercy of the people who choose to pump gems to gold into it. SPVP is an exception as it is completely separate from the game economy.
WVW how ever. Upgrades and superior siege are expensive in WVW. Those who convert gems to gold have no issues.
Also why would you want to do jumping puzzles and Tequatl when the rewards suck?
You cannot deny though that gem buyers have an advantage over those who don't in this game.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
Ok I had to look this up since I don't do fractals much and won't bother going in before my weekly run tomorrow anyway.
So...
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Agony_Infusion
You have to run fractals over and over again to obtain these and refine them. Some people will sell them for a high amount of gold and others will buy gold through gems to easily obtain the infusions.
Farming dungeons for money - such a thing has never been heard of.
And I have one question here. A new player buys gems and converts them to gold to buy... let's say 20 agony resistance and starts doing fractals. How exactly does he benefit from the resistance from level 1-9?
He still has to grind his way up to level 30+ and meanwhile a lot of infusions will drop anyway...