The restrictions are the reason why I quit. I can't play like that.
Same here...
Well you obviously didn't use your brains or have no clue how to play and work SWTOR's F2P model to your advantage , read my above post for some hints.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing. "SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13 The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
I'd say the free person, in TOR or any other MMO, is just as restricted as a person at the mall. Yes, you can hang out, but why even be there if you aren't going to buy something?
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Despite being posted in similar threads several times that I've notice, many don't seem to understand you can sub for a bit to eliminate the credit cap. With credits gathered you can then buy whatever cartel shop account unlocks other players have posted onto the Galactic Market for sale. There are usually tons when I ever check. Then whatever you still need you can buy with your free cartel coin monthly stipend from being a subscriber. Once you're satisfied you've unlock all or most of what you need (With the exception of various content passes beyond those granted to free accounts) then just cancel your sub, put the Cartel Shop button on 0% opacity and continue to play for mostly hassle free.
You might even be able to unlock all you need as a free account by collecting credits and using the Galactic Market. Providing the items are posted by other players for under your credit cap (for F2Players). I don't remember the credit cap tbh but I was never sure why people would post account unlock items from the Cartel Shop for more than a F2P player could accrue. Seeing as they would be the target demographic for the unlock items.
Originally posted by Raventree You are much better off going with Rift. You get access to almost everything and the subscription stuff is more like a bonus. I just went back to play SWToR for a while and am pretty annoyed at all of the restrictions, myself.
tried that at Launch, but I didnt like WHO graphics and that Rift game reminded me of a WOW clone with Warhammer Online graphics.
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The restrictions are the reason why I quit. I can't play like that.
Same here...
Well you obviously didn't use your brains or have no clue how to play and work SWTOR's F2P model to your advantage , read my above post for some hints.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
I did know how to get around it, Badorb. If I have to put that much effort into it, it's not worth it to me.
I'd say the free person, in TOR or any other MMO, is just as restricted as a person at the mall. Yes, you can hang out, but why even be there if you aren't going to buy something?
Because it gives you the opportunity to look before you buy something.
You have to spend ~$15 just to step foot inside most other malls. At least with the amount of access SWTOR gives compared to other trials.
The restrictions are the reason why I quit. I can't play like that.
Same here...
Well you obviously didn't use your brains or have no clue how to play and work SWTOR's F2P model to your advantage , read my above post for some hints.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
I did know how to get around it, Badoral. If I have to put that much effort into it, it's not worth it to me.
Well that's fair enough then , probably not the F2P model for you , maybe if they change it , you could return. I thought they where going to make the purple item unlock free at some point not sure when though or even if that's the case now.
Maybe PSO2's model , when it finally releases might be more your cup of tea.
Cheers ,
BabOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing. "SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13 The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
The more that a game gives away for free, the more it has to squeeze people for cash once they get beyond that point. That's where pay to win comes from, not from free trials that are rather restrictive.
That about as false as it can get. The western F2P model is pure garbage.
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The restrictions are the reason why I quit. I can't play like that.
Did you switch to another game? and if so what game?
I moved over to a console to play Defiance and Diablo 3...and I'm having a blast.
I could never get into Diablo 3 but Defiance is a good model imo. Along with Guild Wars 2 and TSW for B2P and RIFT, Tera and Fallen Earth for F2P, among others. I won't argue that SWTOR's F2P model is "different" and unacceptable to me..which is why I'm willing to pay the sub. Still, they really could do well..if not better..by going B2P on a initial box price with Cartel Packs and other customization gear,pets,mounts,skins etc in the shop. They have to realize that customization/vanity items is where their bread & butter comes from since you can only unlock something once(even if its per character or account) but you can't have enough individuality.
It's free, so play what you get out of it and be happy. I have bought single player PC and console games for $60 with less to do than SWTOR. Just because you don't get what the next guy has doesn't mean the games cash shop restrictions suck, it just means you don't want to fork over the money to get something better. Accept what you pay for and the game is very entertaining, if not, don't be a cheapskate and pay. Simple.
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This thread is full of people that's wants something for nothing. The op started by saying he pays for wow and doesn't have the money to play another.....Then complains because he doesn't like the free to play.....but would like it if it was pay to play Im sure....SO WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU PEOPLE....Prolly the most successful MMO in recent years in FF14 ARR and its Pay to Play......Im I the only one seeing this. REALLY....
EXMAPLE
XBOX live was way more successful than PlayStation online....most would agree anyway...right?
YOU HAD TO PAY FOR XBOX LIVE while Playstation online was free
When there is a constant stream of revenue coming in no matter how low it may seem allows for better planning and progress.
Really people all MMO's have taken a huge nose dive since the F2P model has become so common....ALL the greats that made them great EQ, EQ2, WOW, FF11 where all P2P..............In not goading but I ask that you think about it a little better and stop crying because your free to play exp is lacking and then now wanting to invest in something....for something...BETTER
No i was saying that i would rather pay for WoW than SWTOR and no I would prefer it if the game did Free-to-Play better. more like Rift.
"Fear & Desire are weapons in my life's pursuit" @KrewellaJahan
Any game that creates walls between the community is too restrictive.
Chat, email, guild, xp, skills
Not one of those things should be restricted in any game. The only things that should be charged are cosmetics, expansions, DLCs and end game. EA hasn't produced a single F2P game worth playing, same for Funcom and Sony. Though Sony will be with EQ next and landmark.
The very idea of an MMORPG is community, if you limit players access to that community with something like a chat restriction I cant help but think those in charge have severe brain damage.
and restricting people to talk to support, i could live with the xp issue but not customer support.
Is somebody who does not buy anything from company a "customer"?
in my opinion yes, to you maybe i don't know you.
According to Merriam Webster you are not a customer:
CUSTOMER
: someone who buys goods or services from a business
: a person who has a particular quality
Full Definition of CUSTOMER
1: one that purchases a commodity or service
2: an individual usually having some specified distinctive traitcustomer>
The restrictions are the reason why I quit. I can't play like that.
Same here...
Well you obviously didn't use your brains or have no clue how to play and work SWTOR's F2P model to your advantage , read my above post for some hints.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
do you have some strange addiction to brains or something? If we are not using our brains then how are we typing on a keyboard?
"Fear & Desire are weapons in my life's pursuit" @KrewellaJahan
i think its pretty funny, the cheapskates and crying masses want free games, the free to play model, then expect to have everything on a plate presented to them. free is too restrictive? then pay up boy.
Originally posted by Raventree You are much better off going with Rift. You get access to almost everything and the subscription stuff is more like a bonus. I just went back to play SWToR for a while and am pretty annoyed at all of the restrictions, myself.
What he said about Rift. As far as SWTOR. My best advice for you is to come back to SWTOR when you can pay the monthly sub. All the restrictions are gone when you do. For now, give rift or Tera a shot.
I would agree with MrMelGibson but subscribers get shit for the same price other games offer a lot more of everything. But he is right, if your are not a subscriber you should not even bother with SWTOR. It sucks to say it because i really like the game.... I have the game installed since pre launch, still hoping something good will come out of EAWARE's mind.... instead of their buttz....
Originally posted by killahh i think its pretty funny, the cheapskates and crying masses want free games, the free to play model, then expect to have everything on a plate presented to them. free is too restrictive? then pay up boy.
My wife and her friends play free games for free. That is their game, to not pay money. Sometimes it takes 3 games cycling between platforms, but to pay is to lose. That's the challenge for them and to each other.
If there is no way to continue without paying she quits. Too many games out there. Seems more people are doing the same.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Originally posted by killahh i think its pretty funny, the cheapskates and crying masses want free games, the free to play model, then expect to have everything on a plate presented to them. free is too restrictive? then pay up boy.
Glad I'm not the only that feels this way. FTP shouldn't get anything close to what subscribers get.
Originally posted by killahh i think its pretty funny, the cheapskates and crying masses want free games, the free to play model, then expect to have everything on a plate presented to them. free is too restrictive? then pay up boy.
Glad I'm not the only that feels this way. FTP shouldn't get anything close to what subscribers get.
Demand it all for free or move on. That's the game now.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Because it cost money to provide support. For example, If they provide support to F2P players it will add more work for their current support staff and increase wait times for paying customers to get support. I think I have a solution for EA/Biowares for people like you, they should add a special subscription plan where they charge you $3 to $5 per month for premium technical support :P.
wait people are complaining they are not getting enough stuff for free. . . . . . I don't want to sound old but i rember when you where happy you got a expansion for free, now people complain when they only get 75% of the game for free ?
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Originally posted by killahh i think its pretty funny, the cheapskates and crying masses want free games, the free to play model, then expect to have everything on a plate presented to them. free is too restrictive? then pay up boy.
Welcome to new generation which cries and complains about everything..including free stuff.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Never seen a f2p mmorpg ( with the option to purchase or sub ) with to many restrictions. You get what you pay for. People need to stop whining when they get free s***! Do you think all the people involved in creating a mmorpg does it for free? Im sure some of them have bills to pay and families to feed. Any f2p mmorpg where the "f2p'ers" can come close to compete with a "subber" is a fail f2p model. A good f2p model lets you get alittle taste of the game and leaves you wanting/needing more. If your thinking " yeah, but not everyone can afford..bla bla" then you really need to take a long look at your situation and rethink some stuff. Once or twice a week you cook your own food and drink water instead of pizza and mountain dew. Theres a thousand ways you could save money to afford the sub. If your underage and live at home make a deal with your parents. Clean the garage, fix the garden whatever.. if they refuse go to your neighboors and ask em if you can wlk their dog once a week for some loot. If your not living at home and still habe absolutely no way to save up the needed money you shouldnt sit on your ass and play anyway.
Originally posted by killahh i think its pretty funny, the cheapskates and crying masses want free games, the free to play model, then expect to have everything on a plate presented to them. free is too restrictive? then pay up boy.
Welcome to new generation which cries and complains about everything..including free stuff.
The trouble is, no matter how much they get for free, they will still complain about how unfair things are if something has to be paid for, never mind fair useage policies or how much they get for free anyway, its always something. The self entitlement brigade just hate it when they don't get their way, and i kind of feel sorry for them, because their worrying so much about what they either cannot afford or refuse to pay for, that they are not appreciating what they actually have.
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Same here...
Well you obviously didn't use your brains or have no clue how to play and work SWTOR's F2P model to your advantage , read my above post for some hints.
Cheers ,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
I moved over to a console to play Defiance and Diablo 3...and I'm having a blast.
I'd say the free person, in TOR or any other MMO, is just as restricted as a person at the mall. Yes, you can hang out, but why even be there if you aren't going to buy something?
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Despite being posted in similar threads several times that I've notice, many don't seem to understand you can sub for a bit to eliminate the credit cap. With credits gathered you can then buy whatever cartel shop account unlocks other players have posted onto the Galactic Market for sale. There are usually tons when I ever check. Then whatever you still need you can buy with your free cartel coin monthly stipend from being a subscriber. Once you're satisfied you've unlock all or most of what you need (With the exception of various content passes beyond those granted to free accounts) then just cancel your sub, put the Cartel Shop button on 0% opacity and continue to play for mostly hassle free.
You might even be able to unlock all you need as a free account by collecting credits and using the Galactic Market. Providing the items are posted by other players for under your credit cap (for F2Players). I don't remember the credit cap tbh but I was never sure why people would post account unlock items from the Cartel Shop for more than a F2P player could accrue. Seeing as they would be the target demographic for the unlock items.
tried that at Launch, but I didnt like WHO graphics and that Rift game reminded me of a WOW clone with Warhammer Online graphics.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I did know how to get around it, Badorb. If I have to put that much effort into it, it's not worth it to me.
Because it gives you the opportunity to look before you buy something.
You have to spend ~$15 just to step foot inside most other malls. At least with the amount of access SWTOR gives compared to other trials.
Well that's fair enough then , probably not the F2P model for you , maybe if they change it , you could return. I thought they where going to make the purple item unlock free at some point not sure when though or even if that's the case now.
Maybe PSO2's model , when it finally releases might be more your cup of tea.
Cheers ,
BabOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
That about as false as it can get. The western F2P model is pure garbage.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
I could never get into Diablo 3 but Defiance is a good model imo. Along with Guild Wars 2 and TSW for B2P and RIFT, Tera and Fallen Earth for F2P, among others. I won't argue that SWTOR's F2P model is "different" and unacceptable to me..which is why I'm willing to pay the sub. Still, they really could do well..if not better..by going B2P on a initial box price with Cartel Packs and other customization gear,pets,mounts,skins etc in the shop. They have to realize that customization/vanity items is where their bread & butter comes from since you can only unlock something once(even if its per character or account) but you can't have enough individuality.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
No i was saying that i would rather pay for WoW than SWTOR and no I would prefer it if the game did Free-to-Play better. more like Rift.
"Fear & Desire are weapons in my life's pursuit"
@KrewellaJahan
but explain why they are restricting Support????
"Fear & Desire are weapons in my life's pursuit"
@KrewellaJahan
do you have some strange addiction to brains or something? If we are not using our brains then how are we typing on a keyboard?
"Fear & Desire are weapons in my life's pursuit"
@KrewellaJahan
over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting...
I would agree with MrMelGibson but subscribers get shit for the same price other games offer a lot more of everything. But he is right, if your are not a subscriber you should not even bother with SWTOR. It sucks to say it because i really like the game.... I have the game installed since pre launch, still hoping something good will come out of EAWARE's mind.... instead of their buttz....
My wife and her friends play free games for free. That is their game, to not pay money. Sometimes it takes 3 games cycling between platforms, but to pay is to lose. That's the challenge for them and to each other.
If there is no way to continue without paying she quits. Too many games out there. Seems more people are doing the same.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Glad I'm not the only that feels this way. FTP shouldn't get anything close to what subscribers get.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Demand it all for free or move on. That's the game now.
"If the Damned gave you a roadmap, then you'd know just where to go"
Because it cost money to provide support. For example, If they provide support to F2P players it will add more work for their current support staff and increase wait times for paying customers to get support. I think I have a solution for EA/Biowares for people like you, they should add a special subscription plan where they charge you $3 to $5 per month for premium technical support :P.
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F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Welcome to new generation which cries and complains about everything..including free stuff.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Any f2p mmorpg where the "f2p'ers" can come close to compete with a "subber" is a fail f2p model.
A good f2p model lets you get alittle taste of the game and leaves you wanting/needing more.
If your thinking " yeah, but not everyone can afford..bla bla" then you really need to take a long look at your situation and rethink some stuff.
Once or twice a week you cook your own food and drink water instead of pizza and mountain dew. Theres a thousand ways you could save money to afford the sub. If your underage and live at home make a deal with your parents. Clean the garage, fix the garden whatever.. if they refuse go to your neighboors and ask em if you can wlk their dog once a week for some loot.
If your not living at home and still habe absolutely no way to save up the needed money you shouldnt sit on your ass and play anyway.
-rant
The trouble is, no matter how much they get for free, they will still complain about how unfair things are if something has to be paid for, never mind fair useage policies or how much they get for free anyway, its always something. The self entitlement brigade just hate it when they don't get their way, and i kind of feel sorry for them, because their worrying so much about what they either cannot afford or refuse to pay for, that they are not appreciating what they actually have.