Its not like EU/NA region is IP address locked. If the chinese people do not like the terms with the chinese publisher, just go to the europe datacenter. You know ... Gameforge's Aion F2P model is not really F2P, so I simply went to play at NCSoft's NA servers. Same reason i decided to play tera at NA and not EU. Sure it costs me 5$ subscription to BattlePing for a free game but it doesn't matter in the end. Options are there, its your choice what you want to do.
Whatever NCsoft decides to do with GW2. Whether or not there is anything wrong with the Chinese version, is irrelevant. The point is that Arenanet does not got a free pass of the "NCSoft did it, not us" kind.
I guess then Arenanet should get a praise for keeping GW2 China non P2W and simply B2P with only some minor changes in a market where the games usually differ extensively from the west versions.
I guess Arenanet should also be praised for keeping GW running while Paragon studios should be bashed for letting NCSoft kill city of heroes.
But it is easier to start threads stating incorrect and/or misrepresented information.
VIP is not mandatory for Chinese GW2. Chinese GW2 isn't pay to win.
The 'Dye unlock through Gem' is also one of those that's really hard to defend if you are a pro-GW2 poster.
That reply was before going through all the OP material. I was assuming what the OP was posting had some resemblance to the truth.
My mistake since the OP was simply wrong (or simply posting stuff against GW2 has he had always done before the game even released).
First the game hasn't released in China yet so stuff can change.
Second we don't know if the dye ID drops or not in game or how the crafting dyes via cooking works in China.
Third you can acquire gems with in game gold.
Fourth, people can choose to not buy GW2 in China and play some other MMORPG without VIP and whatnot... except pretty much every other big MMORPG in China is even worse.
So yeah considering "Dye unlock through gem" as pay to win is pretty funny indeed, especially from someone as open as to say that buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
First the game hasn't released in China yet so stuff can change.
Second we don't know if the dye ID drops or not in game or how the crafting dyes via cooking works in China.
Third you can acquire gems with in game gold.
Fourth, people can choose to not buy GW2 in China and play some other MMORPG without VIP and whatnot... except pretty much every other big MMORPG in China is even worse.
So yeah considering "Dye unlock through gem" as pay to win is pretty funny indeed, especially from someone as open as to say that buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win.
The selective reasoning and outright deliberate 'word in mouth' is pretty weird on this post
I never said 'Dye unlock through gem' is P2W so nice try.
Last I checked, GW2 lets you buy a max level char through RL money -> in-game gold purchase -> Crafting a bunch of useless items. So yes, my stance on 'buying a max level char isn't P2W' hasn't changed.
Once again, nice try on 'word in mouth' though.
I do find it funny that someone so 'against RL cash for items' to be for 'Dye unlock through gems'. I don't quite follow that logic but /shrug.
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First the game hasn't released in China yet so stuff can change.
Second we don't know if the dye ID drops or not in game or how the crafting dyes via cooking works in China.
Third you can acquire gems with in game gold.
Fourth, people can choose to not buy GW2 in China and play some other MMORPG without VIP and whatnot... except pretty much every other big MMORPG in China is even worse.
So yeah considering "Dye unlock through gem" as pay to win is pretty funny indeed, especially from someone as open as to say that buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win.
The selective reasoning and outright deliberate 'word in mouth' is pretty weird on this post
I never said 'Dye unlock through gem' is P2W so nice try.
Last I checked, GW2 lets you buy a max level char through RL money -> in-game gold purchase -> Crafting a bunch of useless items. So yes, my stance on 'buying a max level char isn't P2W' hasn't changed.
Once again, nice try on 'word in mouth' though.
I do find it funny that someone so 'against RL cash for items' to be for 'Dye unlock through gems'. I don't quite follow that logic but /shrug.
That is assuming I believe buying a max level character in WoW is P2W - I don't and neither do you.
But apparently buying colors with gems (that can be acquired with in game gold) gives you so much trouble.
Originally posted by jpnz Last I checked gw2 belongs to ncsoft / anet. If they decide to partner with a p2w publisher that's on them.
You just said that the Chinese GW2 publisher is p2w, but the only thing related with cash shop are cosmetic titles and cosmetic colors.
So unless you can point to something other that is p2w I have to assume that you believe you meant colors and titles is P2W.
Or maybe you just like to say GW2 is p2w even though it isn't.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
You know what is really funny about this... the fanbois used to cry that ncsoft had no impact on GW2 related decisions and that it was all Anet.... now when the decisions don't look so hot they try to pass all the blame off of anet.
Also if gw2 was doing as well as people pretend they wouldn't be merging everything. If this were a forum for another game all the gw2 fanbois would be claiming mergers = population problems, but when gw2 does it it must mean something else right?
NCsoft has invested so much into gw2, they are trying to make it work, but the game will flop in china. Blade n Soul is absolutely dominating china right now...
Fanbois can try to argue all they want but if Anet gets credit for all the favorable spin, they have to get credit for all the negative spin as well.
Server mergers are not a sign of growth... and that's t he bottom line cause stone cold said so.
You know what is really funny about this... the fanbois used to cry that ncsoft had no impact on GW2 related decisions and that it was all Anet.... now when the decisions don't look so hot they try to pass all the blame off of anet.
Also if gw2 was doing as well as people pretend they wouldn't be merging everything. If this were a forum for another game all the gw2 fanbois would be claiming mergers = population problems, but when gw2 does it it must mean something else right?
NCsoft has invested so much into gw2, they are trying to make it work, but the game will flop in china. Blade n Soul is absolutely dominating china right now...
Fanbois can try to argue all they want but if Anet gets credit for all the favorable spin, they have to get credit for all the negative spin as well.
Server mergers are not a sign of growth... and that's t he bottom line cause stone cold said so.
Welcome back.
I didn't see you during the discussion of the 4Q13 NCSoft financials after you being so interested about the 3Q13 NCSoft financials. Can't be because the revenue of GW2 went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13, right?
Poor NCSoft having BnS absolutely dominating in China, I bet they will be very worried if GW2 doesn't dethrone their own game.
Clearly in need of server merges.
Of course the game doesn't need 57 copies of Brisban Wildlands to host all the population playing in that map.
It is a problem of player dispersion. At the game launch people had 6 cities and 5 PvE maps open to them, these days they have 6 cities and 26 zones plus all the dungeons and fractals.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
You know what is really funny about this... the fanbois used to cry that ncsoft had no impact on GW2 related decisions and that it was all Anet.... now when the decisions don't look so hot they try to pass all the blame off of anet.
Also if gw2 was doing as well as people pretend they wouldn't be merging everything. If this were a forum for another game all the gw2 fanbois would be claiming mergers = population problems, but when gw2 does it it must mean something else right?
NCsoft has invested so much into gw2, they are trying to make it work, but the game will flop in china. Blade n Soul is absolutely dominating china right now...
Fanbois can try to argue all they want but if Anet gets credit for all the favorable spin, they have to get credit for all the negative spin as well.
Server mergers are not a sign of growth... and that's t he bottom line cause stone cold said so.
Man, there are still people out there that cant cope with how successful GW2 is. Its funny and sad at the same time.
Most chinese players don't have an issue with this, just as korean players have almost no problem with lock boxes.
Just different cultures, things that would never work in the west are no problem in other regions, that's why companies prefer most other regions to the west. Easier and cheaper.
Most chinese players don't have an issue with this, just as korean players have almost no problem with lock boxes.
Just different cultures, things that would never work in the west are no problem in other regions, that's why companies prefer most other regions to the west. Easier and cheaper.
All those "experts" on Chinese market strongly disagree with you!
i find this thread hilarious, even the trolly posts, guess they are left with no ammo for the western part so now they target China part, however ridiculous that is in itself because even the mighty WoW has different monetization in China.
You know what is really funny about this... the fanbois used to cry that ncsoft had no impact on GW2 related decisions and that it was all Anet.... now when the decisions don't look so hot they try to pass all the blame off of anet.
Also if gw2 was doing as well as people pretend they wouldn't be merging everything. If this were a forum for another game all the gw2 fanbois would be claiming mergers = population problems, but when gw2 does it it must mean something else right?
NCsoft has invested so much into gw2, they are trying to make it work, but the game will flop in china. Blade n Soul is absolutely dominating china right now...
Fanbois can try to argue all they want but if Anet gets credit for all the favorable spin, they have to get credit for all the negative spin as well.
Server mergers are not a sign of growth... and that's t he bottom line cause stone cold said so.
Welcome back.
I didn't see you during the discussion of the 4Q13 NCSoft financials after you being so interested about the 3Q13 NCSoft financials. Can't be because the revenue of GW2 went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13, right?
Poor NCSoft having BnS absolutely dominating in China, I bet they will be very worried if GW2 doesn't dethrone their own game.
Clearly in need of server merges.
Of course the game doesn't need 57 copies of Brisban Wildlands to host all the population playing in that map.
It is a problem of player dispersion. At the game launch people had 6 cities and 5 PvE maps open to them, these days they have 6 cities and 26 zones plus all the dungeons and fractals.
I actually didn't get involved in that discussion because meowhead made a facetious post about it and then one of the mods edited his post politely, even though if someone had done the exact same thing but was anti-gw2 in the way they did it they would have gotten suspended. That kind of blatant favoritism doesn't really lend itself to any objective discussion on these forums, because as far as certain mods go, the fanbois are always right, and the objective people are "trolling" or "inflammatory".
It would basically be like having a debate with someone but holding a gun to their head and telling them if they disagree they will be shot, in your warped fanboi mind that might be ok, but to rational human beings that leaves no room for any real discussion. The facts are out there, gw2 isn't blossoming, but luckily for you you can just cover your ears and ignore the concrete evidence and believe all is dandy. If you ever have the cojones to truly discuss mmos like gw2, go on to a forum where every side is allowed to represent itself without any favoritism or censorship... until then, stay primitive.
Actually when they talked about server mergers they specifically talked about fixing it so that some servers don't feel dead anymore... so yes they do need server mergers... You can sit there in denial of it all you want, but it came from anet themselves.
The Q4 revenue went up, as expected during a holiday season, but not by as much as it had declined before...
Anyway actions speak louder than words... china has their payment model, servers are getting merged... you can try to spin it all you want, but we know what server mergers are indicative of, and it isn't a thriving community with plenty of strong servers, it means they have to pool a bunch of dying servers so that people have more to play with.
The selective reasoning and outright deliberate 'word in mouth' is pretty weird on this post
I never said 'Dye unlock through gem' is P2W so nice try.
Last I checked, GW2 lets you buy a max level char through RL money -> in-game gold purchase -> Crafting a bunch of useless items. So yes, my stance on 'buying a max level char isn't P2W' hasn't changed.
Once again, nice try on 'word in mouth' though.
I do find it funny that someone so 'against RL cash for items' to be for 'Dye unlock through gems'. I don't quite follow that logic but /shrug.
That is assuming I believe buying a max level character in WoW is P2W - I don't and neither do you.
But apparently buying colors with gems (that can be acquired with in game gold) gives you so much trouble.
You know you have entered the twilight zone due to posts like this which makes you go 'huh?'
So you agree that I never said 'Buying a max level char is P2W' and that you were lying? Attack the post not the poster and if you are to attack the poster, probably best not to make things up.
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You know you have entered the twilight zone due to posts like this which makes you go 'huh?'
So you agree that I never said 'Buying a max level char is P2W' and that you were lying? Attack the post not the poster and if you are to attack the poster, probably best not to make things up.
I think the problem is, and I'm going to help you out for free here... he's trying to figure out what it is you think is P2W in the Chinese version of GW2.
You never did answer that question. You two are arguing past each other, you need to clarify what, exactly, it is that is P2W. He's not saying 'This is what you think is P2W because I can read your mind', he's just randomly guessing because you haven't said what it is that is P2W.
I actually didn't get involved in that discussion because meowhead made a facetious post about it and then one of the mods edited his post politely, even though if someone had done the exact same thing but was anti-gw2 in the way they did it they would have gotten suspended. That kind of blatant favoritism doesn't really lend itself to any objective discussion on these forums, because as far as certain mods go, the fanbois are always right, and the objective people are "trolling" or "inflammatory".
1. You're not objective. Nobody is truly objective, and if you're framing things in terms of 'There are fanbois, who disagree with me, and there are the objective correct people, like me', then you're quite obviously not being objective at all.
2. I did that post in the spirit of fun, and they DID change the title, by the way.
3. I personally think there's a difference between enjoying a game and celebrating that it's succeeding, and disliking a game and celebrating that it's failing. One seems so much more mean spirited to me. Notice, you won't find me on any of the forums of the games I dislike, laughing about how poorly they're doing. Other people may enjoy other games, and to that I say =good for them=. People should spend more time having fun and enjoying themselves, rather than trying to tear other people's fun down.
I've been known to say I don't enjoy a game, or it's not my style (Though relatively rarely, I don't go to other game forums to say so) but I won't deny that other people manage to enjoy it, and good for them.
I actually didn't get involved in that discussion because meowhead made a facetious post about it and then one of the mods edited his post politely, even though if someone had done the exact same thing but was anti-gw2 in the way they did it they would have gotten suspended. That kind of blatant favoritism doesn't really lend itself to any objective discussion on these forums, because as far as certain mods go, the fanbois are always right, and the objective people are "trolling" or "inflammatory".
1. You're not objective. Nobody is truly objective, and if you're framing things in terms of 'There are fanbois, who disagree with me, and there are the objective correct people, like me', then you're quite obviously not being objective at all.
2. I did that post in the spirit of fun, and they DID change the title, by the way.
3. I personally think there's a difference between enjoying a game and celebrating that it's succeeding, and disliking a game and celebrating that it's failing. One seems so much more mean spirited to me. Notice, you won't find me on any of the forums of the games I dislike, laughing about how poorly they're doing. Other people may enjoy other games, and to that I say =good for them=. People should spend more time having fun and enjoying themselves, rather than trying to tear other people's fun down.
I've been known to say I don't enjoy a game, or it's not my style (Though relatively rarely, I don't go to other game forums to say so) but I won't deny that other people manage to enjoy it, and good for them.
Nothing new here, compare what I actually posted, and what you responded with, and you will see that again you misconstrue what people say and try to argue things that aren't relevant.
I dunno exactly how this is ANETs fault, if the westernized version of TERAs payment system would suck, who's fault would that be?
Still, I think the move is a bad idea. They should use the same model as the western one since it actually works while being greedy might kill off the game.
Not that I really care that much either way, what a game cost you in China is not something that keeps me awake at nights but it would of course be nice if ANET got a little more money and resources from there to add into the game.
I dunno exactly how this is ANETs fault, if the westernized version of TERAs payment system would suck, who's fault would that be?
Still, I think the move is a bad idea. They should use the same model as the western one since it actually works while being greedy might kill off the game.
Not that I really care that much either way, what a game cost you in China is not something that keeps me awake at nights but it would of course be nice if ANET got a little more money and resources from there to add into the game.
NCSoft will only receive royalties, so that will be only a tiny fraction of what the games make in China.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I actually didn't get involved in that discussion because meowhead made a facetious post about it and then one of the mods edited his post politely, even though if someone had done the exact same thing but was anti-gw2 in the way they did it they would have gotten suspended. That kind of blatant favoritism doesn't really lend itself to any objective discussion on these forums, because as far as certain mods go, the fanbois are always right, and the objective people are "trolling" or "inflammatory".
1. You're not objective. Nobody is truly objective, and if you're framing things in terms of 'There are fanbois, who disagree with me, and there are the objective correct people, like me', then you're quite obviously not being objective at all.
2. I did that post in the spirit of fun, and they DID change the title, by the way.
3. I personally think there's a difference between enjoying a game and celebrating that it's succeeding, and disliking a game and celebrating that it's failing. One seems so much more mean spirited to me. Notice, you won't find me on any of the forums of the games I dislike, laughing about how poorly they're doing. Other people may enjoy other games, and to that I say =good for them=. People should spend more time having fun and enjoying themselves, rather than trying to tear other people's fun down.
I've been known to say I don't enjoy a game, or it's not my style (Though relatively rarely, I don't go to other game forums to say so) but I won't deny that other people manage to enjoy it, and good for them.
Nothing new here, compare what I actually posted, and what you responded with, and you will see that again you misconstrue what people say and try to argue things that aren't relevant.
do you just have a mmorpg.com account just for posting your hatred about GW2? Looking at your posting history you haven't posted about any other game.
Remember human nature : Money speaks power. Now is : GW2 China will be buy to play... with mandatory VIP.
Next is (maybe) : GW2 NA will be buy to play... with mandatory VIP.
Think of the reason why City of Heroes is axed.
First GW2 isn't mandatory VIP in China. VIP is titles, 10% store discount, some extra in game perks like different colored name. This was of course during beta.
City of Heroes, always city of heroes.
Why not talk about the original Guild Wars.
Still up and running.
And City of Heroes (nor GW1) ever generated revenue close to GW2.
Although if generally a game going from subscription to free to play is seen as a sign it is dying, isn't a game going from b2p to subscription or VIP or whatever a sign it is doing great?
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
That is assuming I believe buying a max level character in WoW is P2W - I don't and neither do you.
But apparently buying colors with gems (that can be acquired with in game gold) gives you so much trouble.
You know you have entered the twilight zone due to posts like this which makes you go 'huh?'
So you agree that I never said 'Buying a max level char is P2W' and that you were lying? Attack the post not the poster and if you are to attack the poster, probably best not to make things up.
Let me remember you what I said.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
So yeah considering "Dye unlock through gem" as pay to win is pretty funny indeed, especially from someone as open as to say that buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win.
I said that you were open enough to admit buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win, so yeah, that mean I'm saying you said buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win.
So I don't know how you could have read from that I was saying otherwise.
Also I didn't say that buying a level 90 character in WoW is P2W, so I don't know where that came from.
It seems to me that in your eagerness to caught me in a contradiction you didn't read what I said properly.
But as meowhead said it is a bit hard to argue with you because I kept asking what is P2W in the Chinese version and the only thing you mentioned about the Chinese version is the Dye unlock.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
You know what is really funny about this... the fanbois used to cry that ncsoft had no impact on GW2 related decisions and that it was all Anet.... now when the decisions don't look so hot they try to pass all the blame off of anet.
Also if gw2 was doing as well as people pretend they wouldn't be merging everything. If this were a forum for another game all the gw2 fanbois would be claiming mergers = population problems, but when gw2 does it it must mean something else right?
NCsoft has invested so much into gw2, they are trying to make it work, but the game will flop in china. Blade n Soul is absolutely dominating china right now...
Fanbois can try to argue all they want but if Anet gets credit for all the favorable spin, they have to get credit for all the negative spin as well.
Server mergers are not a sign of growth... and that's t he bottom line cause stone cold said so.
Welcome back.
I didn't see you during the discussion of the 4Q13 NCSoft financials after you being so interested about the 3Q13 NCSoft financials. Can't be because the revenue of GW2 went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13, right?
Poor NCSoft having BnS absolutely dominating in China, I bet they will be very worried if GW2 doesn't dethrone their own game.
Clearly in need of server merges.
Of course the game doesn't need 57 copies of Brisban Wildlands to host all the population playing in that map.
It is a problem of player dispersion. At the game launch people had 6 cities and 5 PvE maps open to them, these days they have 6 cities and 26 zones plus all the dungeons and fractals.
I actually didn't get involved in that discussion because meowhead made a facetious post about it and then one of the mods edited his post politely, even though if someone had done the exact same thing but was anti-gw2 in the way they did it they would have gotten suspended. That kind of blatant favoritism doesn't really lend itself to any objective discussion on these forums, because as far as certain mods go, the fanbois are always right, and the objective people are "trolling" or "inflammatory".
It would basically be like having a debate with someone but holding a gun to their head and telling them if they disagree they will be shot, in your warped fanboi mind that might be ok, but to rational human beings that leaves no room for any real discussion. The facts are out there, gw2 isn't blossoming, but luckily for you you can just cover your ears and ignore the concrete evidence and believe all is dandy. If you ever have the cojones to truly discuss mmos like gw2, go on to a forum where every side is allowed to represent itself without any favoritism or censorship... until then, stay primitive.
Actually when they talked about server mergers they specifically talked about fixing it so that some servers don't feel dead anymore... so yes they do need server mergers... You can sit there in denial of it all you want, but it came from anet themselves.
The Q4 revenue went up, as expected during a holiday season, but not by as much as it had declined before...
Anyway actions speak louder than words... china has their payment model, servers are getting merged... you can try to spin it all you want, but we know what server mergers are indicative of, and it isn't a thriving community with plenty of strong servers, it means they have to pool a bunch of dying servers so that people have more to play with.
As you said before numbers don't lie and they went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13. Unless you mean numbers can only be used if they prove what you want.
It is fun that someone talks about fanboism and that somehow the forum moderators all are biased towards GW2, when constantly bashing a game is not permitted and the majority of your 276 posts (I think it is all but I didn't have the patience to read all of your posts) is bashing GW2.
You must be really good to survive a forum where the moderators are biased in favor of GW2 while breaking a rule (probably 276 times)
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
You know what is really funny about this... the fanbois used to cry that ncsoft had no impact on GW2 related decisions and that it was all Anet.... now when the decisions don't look so hot they try to pass all the blame off of anet.
Also if gw2 was doing as well as people pretend they wouldn't be merging everything. If this were a forum for another game all the gw2 fanbois would be claiming mergers = population problems, but when gw2 does it it must mean something else right?
NCsoft has invested so much into gw2, they are trying to make it work, but the game will flop in china. Blade n Soul is absolutely dominating china right now...
Fanbois can try to argue all they want but if Anet gets credit for all the favorable spin, they have to get credit for all the negative spin as well.
Server mergers are not a sign of growth... and that's t he bottom line cause stone cold said so.
Welcome back.
I didn't see you during the discussion of the 4Q13 NCSoft financials after you being so interested about the 3Q13 NCSoft financials. Can't be because the revenue of GW2 went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13, right?
Poor NCSoft having BnS absolutely dominating in China, I bet they will be very worried if GW2 doesn't dethrone their own game.
Clearly in need of server merges.
Of course the game doesn't need 57 copies of Brisban Wildlands to host all the population playing in that map.
It is a problem of player dispersion. At the game launch people had 6 cities and 5 PvE maps open to them, these days they have 6 cities and 26 zones plus all the dungeons and fractals.
I actually didn't get involved in that discussion because meowhead made a facetious post about it and then one of the mods edited his post politely, even though if someone had done the exact same thing but was anti-gw2 in the way they did it they would have gotten suspended. That kind of blatant favoritism doesn't really lend itself to any objective discussion on these forums, because as far as certain mods go, the fanbois are always right, and the objective people are "trolling" or "inflammatory".
It would basically be like having a debate with someone but holding a gun to their head and telling them if they disagree they will be shot, in your warped fanboi mind that might be ok, but to rational human beings that leaves no room for any real discussion. The facts are out there, gw2 isn't blossoming, but luckily for you you can just cover your ears and ignore the concrete evidence and believe all is dandy. If you ever have the cojones to truly discuss mmos like gw2, go on to a forum where every side is allowed to represent itself without any favoritism or censorship... until then, stay primitive.
Actually when they talked about server mergers they specifically talked about fixing it so that some servers don't feel dead anymore... so yes they do need server mergers... You can sit there in denial of it all you want, but it came from anet themselves.
The Q4 revenue went up, as expected during a holiday season, but not by as much as it had declined before...
Anyway actions speak louder than words... china has their payment model, servers are getting merged... you can try to spin it all you want, but we know what server mergers are indicative of, and it isn't a thriving community with plenty of strong servers, it means they have to pool a bunch of dying servers so that people have more to play with.
As you said before numbers don't lie and they went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13. Unless you mean numbers can only be used if they prove what you want.
It is fun that someone talks about fanboism and that somehow the forum moderators all are biased towards GW2, when constantly bashing a game is not permitted and the majority of your 276 posts (I think it is all but I didn't have the patience to read all of your posts) is bashing GW2.
You must be really good to survive a forum where the moderators are biased in favor of GW2 while breaking a rule (probably 276 times)
and im going to say it i bought the game had a good time then they started all this nerfing and changing crap....it snot the same game that mad eit money....its for dummies....and i personally know from one server i was on over 120+ people left the game.....30 went to ESO....the rest to other mmo's.....
i myself used to toss a few bucks a month onto the game and ive stopped....your going ot get a rude awakening next years numbers drop right off the deep end and a server merger is due to the falling numbers of players .....ive been on two of there servers both with crappy numbers for WvW and i paid for the move 1st time...im just not into paying to get game play....
as to china well it might start out making a good buck but wiht all the other mmo's coming don't expect it to last.
blade and soul one person mentioned has had hacker issues....its one reason i wont touch that game with a 50 foot pole.
SONY has had the same issues , wont touch them....gets pretty darn limiting when the privacy and security of these games startes costing us all money....and its one reason i am really thinking of going back to single player games that have some multiplayer aspects.....
the scams i see them micro transacting is just sickening that you all pay for such crap....
and GW2 my honest opinion its a game for 10 year olds....
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That reply was before going through all the OP material. I was assuming what the OP was posting had some resemblance to the truth.
My mistake since the OP was simply wrong (or simply posting stuff against GW2 has he had always done before the game even released).
First the game hasn't released in China yet so stuff can change.
Second we don't know if the dye ID drops or not in game or how the crafting dyes via cooking works in China.
Third you can acquire gems with in game gold.
Fourth, people can choose to not buy GW2 in China and play some other MMORPG without VIP and whatnot... except pretty much every other big MMORPG in China is even worse.
Fifth, why the sudden change from this post?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6247927#6247927
So yeah considering "Dye unlock through gem" as pay to win is pretty funny indeed, especially from someone as open as to say that buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
The selective reasoning and outright deliberate 'word in mouth' is pretty weird on this post
I never said 'Dye unlock through gem' is P2W so nice try.
Last I checked, GW2 lets you buy a max level char through RL money -> in-game gold purchase -> Crafting a bunch of useless items. So yes, my stance on 'buying a max level char isn't P2W' hasn't changed.
Once again, nice try on 'word in mouth' though.
I do find it funny that someone so 'against RL cash for items' to be for 'Dye unlock through gems'. I don't quite follow that logic but /shrug.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
That is assuming I believe buying a max level character in WoW is P2W - I don't and neither do you.
But apparently buying colors with gems (that can be acquired with in game gold) gives you so much trouble.
You just said that the Chinese GW2 publisher is p2w, but the only thing related with cash shop are cosmetic titles and cosmetic colors.
So unless you can point to something other that is p2w I have to assume that you believe you meant colors and titles is P2W.
Or maybe you just like to say GW2 is p2w even though it isn't.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
You know what is really funny about this... the fanbois used to cry that ncsoft had no impact on GW2 related decisions and that it was all Anet.... now when the decisions don't look so hot they try to pass all the blame off of anet.
Also if gw2 was doing as well as people pretend they wouldn't be merging everything. If this were a forum for another game all the gw2 fanbois would be claiming mergers = population problems, but when gw2 does it it must mean something else right?
NCsoft has invested so much into gw2, they are trying to make it work, but the game will flop in china. Blade n Soul is absolutely dominating china right now...
Fanbois can try to argue all they want but if Anet gets credit for all the favorable spin, they have to get credit for all the negative spin as well.
Server mergers are not a sign of growth... and that's t he bottom line cause stone cold said so.
Welcome back.
I didn't see you during the discussion of the 4Q13 NCSoft financials after you being so interested about the 3Q13 NCSoft financials. Can't be because the revenue of GW2 went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13, right?
Poor NCSoft having BnS absolutely dominating in China, I bet they will be very worried if GW2 doesn't dethrone their own game.
Clearly in need of server merges.
Of course the game doesn't need 57 copies of Brisban Wildlands to host all the population playing in that map.
It is a problem of player dispersion. At the game launch people had 6 cities and 5 PvE maps open to them, these days they have 6 cities and 26 zones plus all the dungeons and fractals.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Man, there are still people out there that cant cope with how successful GW2 is. Its funny and sad at the same time.
Most chinese players don't have an issue with this, just as korean players have almost no problem with lock boxes.
Just different cultures, things that would never work in the west are no problem in other regions, that's why companies prefer most other regions to the west. Easier and cheaper.
All those "experts" on Chinese market strongly disagree with you!
i find this thread hilarious, even the trolly posts, guess they are left with no ammo for the western part so now they target China part, however ridiculous that is in itself because even the mighty WoW has different monetization in China.
I guess this confirms stone cold doesn't know all that much about modern MMO server architecture.
I actually didn't get involved in that discussion because meowhead made a facetious post about it and then one of the mods edited his post politely, even though if someone had done the exact same thing but was anti-gw2 in the way they did it they would have gotten suspended. That kind of blatant favoritism doesn't really lend itself to any objective discussion on these forums, because as far as certain mods go, the fanbois are always right, and the objective people are "trolling" or "inflammatory".
It would basically be like having a debate with someone but holding a gun to their head and telling them if they disagree they will be shot, in your warped fanboi mind that might be ok, but to rational human beings that leaves no room for any real discussion. The facts are out there, gw2 isn't blossoming, but luckily for you you can just cover your ears and ignore the concrete evidence and believe all is dandy. If you ever have the cojones to truly discuss mmos like gw2, go on to a forum where every side is allowed to represent itself without any favoritism or censorship... until then, stay primitive.
Actually when they talked about server mergers they specifically talked about fixing it so that some servers don't feel dead anymore... so yes they do need server mergers... You can sit there in denial of it all you want, but it came from anet themselves.
The Q4 revenue went up, as expected during a holiday season, but not by as much as it had declined before...
Anyway actions speak louder than words... china has their payment model, servers are getting merged... you can try to spin it all you want, but we know what server mergers are indicative of, and it isn't a thriving community with plenty of strong servers, it means they have to pool a bunch of dying servers so that people have more to play with.
You know you have entered the twilight zone due to posts like this which makes you go 'huh?'
So you agree that I never said 'Buying a max level char is P2W' and that you were lying? Attack the post not the poster and if you are to attack the poster, probably best not to make things up.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I think the problem is, and I'm going to help you out for free here... he's trying to figure out what it is you think is P2W in the Chinese version of GW2.
You never did answer that question.
You two are arguing past each other, you need to clarify what, exactly, it is that is P2W. He's not saying 'This is what you think is P2W because I can read your mind', he's just randomly guessing because you haven't said what it is that is P2W.
1. You're not objective. Nobody is truly objective, and if you're framing things in terms of 'There are fanbois, who disagree with me, and there are the objective correct people, like me', then you're quite obviously not being objective at all.
2. I did that post in the spirit of fun, and they DID change the title, by the way.
3. I personally think there's a difference between enjoying a game and celebrating that it's succeeding, and disliking a game and celebrating that it's failing. One seems so much more mean spirited to me. Notice, you won't find me on any of the forums of the games I dislike, laughing about how poorly they're doing. Other people may enjoy other games, and to that I say =good for them=. People should spend more time having fun and enjoying themselves, rather than trying to tear other people's fun down.
I've been known to say I don't enjoy a game, or it's not my style (Though relatively rarely, I don't go to other game forums to say so) but I won't deny that other people manage to enjoy it, and good for them.
How would you like that sentence interpreted, if meows interpretation isn't to you liking?
This sounds... bad.
Remember human nature : Money speaks power. Now is : GW2 China will be buy to play... with mandatory VIP.
Next is (maybe) : GW2 NA will be buy to play... with mandatory VIP.
Think of the reason why City of Heroes is axed.
The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.
... I am not sure the OP knows what the word 'mandatory' is.
Because it isn't.
In fact the opening post is filled with misinformation and confusion.
I dunno exactly how this is ANETs fault, if the westernized version of TERAs payment system would suck, who's fault would that be?
Still, I think the move is a bad idea. They should use the same model as the western one since it actually works while being greedy might kill off the game.
Not that I really care that much either way, what a game cost you in China is not something that keeps me awake at nights but it would of course be nice if ANET got a little more money and resources from there to add into the game.
NCSoft will only receive royalties, so that will be only a tiny fraction of what the games make in China.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
do you just have a mmorpg.com account just for posting your hatred about GW2? Looking at your posting history you haven't posted about any other game.
First GW2 isn't mandatory VIP in China. VIP is titles, 10% store discount, some extra in game perks like different colored name. This was of course during beta.
City of Heroes, always city of heroes.
Why not talk about the original Guild Wars.
Still up and running.
And City of Heroes (nor GW1) ever generated revenue close to GW2.
Although if generally a game going from subscription to free to play is seen as a sign it is dying, isn't a game going from b2p to subscription or VIP or whatever a sign it is doing great?
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
Let me remember you what I said.
I said that you were open enough to admit buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win, so yeah, that mean I'm saying you said buying a level 90 character isn't pay to win.
So I don't know how you could have read from that I was saying otherwise.
Also I didn't say that buying a level 90 character in WoW is P2W, so I don't know where that came from.
It seems to me that in your eagerness to caught me in a contradiction you didn't read what I said properly.
But as meowhead said it is a bit hard to argue with you because I kept asking what is P2W in the Chinese version and the only thing you mentioned about the Chinese version is the Dye unlock.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
As you said before numbers don't lie and they went up from 3Q13 to 4Q13. Unless you mean numbers can only be used if they prove what you want.
It is fun that someone talks about fanboism and that somehow the forum moderators all are biased towards GW2, when constantly bashing a game is not permitted and the majority of your 276 posts (I think it is all but I didn't have the patience to read all of your posts) is bashing GW2.
You must be really good to survive a forum where the moderators are biased in favor of GW2 while breaking a rule (probably 276 times)
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and im going to say it i bought the game had a good time then they started all this nerfing and changing crap....it snot the same game that mad eit money....its for dummies....and i personally know from one server i was on over 120+ people left the game.....30 went to ESO....the rest to other mmo's.....
i myself used to toss a few bucks a month onto the game and ive stopped....your going ot get a rude awakening next years numbers drop right off the deep end and a server merger is due to the falling numbers of players .....ive been on two of there servers both with crappy numbers for WvW and i paid for the move 1st time...im just not into paying to get game play....
as to china well it might start out making a good buck but wiht all the other mmo's coming don't expect it to last.
blade and soul one person mentioned has had hacker issues....its one reason i wont touch that game with a 50 foot pole.
SONY has had the same issues , wont touch them....gets pretty darn limiting when the privacy and security of these games startes costing us all money....and its one reason i am really thinking of going back to single player games that have some multiplayer aspects.....
the scams i see them micro transacting is just sickening that you all pay for such crap....
and GW2 my honest opinion its a game for 10 year olds....