i honestly dont care what you think of how it looks... but it uses 1/5 of my screen which is minimal in my opinion, leaving the whole over 4/5 open to gameplay, and it's not at all cluttered and when there is no raid group there is just a space where those frames are.. nothing in there nice and empty.. fact is, it's not cluttered or messy, which was the point
You have a big screen, what about those with small monitors?
I generally don't care for UI add-ons, and didn't bother to mess with any on this game knowing there were changes on the horizon.
Figured once the dust settled the best UI standing would be one I'd experiment with if worthwhile.
While I agree, the UI is awkward for someone used to playing MMORPG's of years past, I'm working hard at trying to adapt to the new playstyle it requires of me.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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i honestly dont care what you think of how it looks... but it uses 1/5 of my screen which is minimal in my opinion, leaving the whole over 4/5 open to gameplay, and it's not at all cluttered and when there is no raid group there is just a space where those frames are.. nothing in there nice and empty.. fact is, it's not cluttered or messy, which was the point
The point being that unfortunately you have been trained to play a certain way for sol long that to play any other way seems like a foreign concept.
You're obviously a fan of the game with your fancy sig and all... Just need to play like the rest of us or find something else.
i honestly dont though.. the only thing that changes in say FTC for example... is i wont see my targets magika and stamina, or cast bar / buffs / debuffs, i can still use the aesthetics of the addon which isnt about being "trained" a certain way, i've played plenty of games with standard UI and been fine with it, i've played MMO's with almost no UI like ESO but not as strtipped back and been fine with it because there was no other option... i can play the game either way, the point is if i have the option which i still do to make the game more aesthetically pleasing to myself, i'll take that option.
Edit - also dont make assumptions on my playing abilities or styles, seeing as i've been playing online games since MUDs before graphical MMOs were even invented, you hardly have any idea of my background or what i'm capable of putting up with.. the point is if i have the choice for QOL i'll take it because i dont need "an unfair advantage" when all im actually looking for is something visually pleasing to me
Edit 2 - you know what i actually think this is what pisses me off the most.. the presumption all of you anti-addon people take towards the people who are pro choices. "you need a clutch" "you must be bad at the game" "if you were a real player you wouldnt need it", ever stop and think some of us just dont like the standard interface. i do not, not at all, i dont want a minimap it never interested me, but i'd be happy to turn off that god awful compass thing they have going too.. i dont like how my 3 resource bars are spread out across my screen, i dont like where the standard frames puts my target... there is many things i just dont like about it and i shouldnt have to play like that just because you guys think i should. just like you shouldnt have to play with addons if you dont want too. From the get go, i've been saying i just want to use certain addons for QOL, like lootdrop, item rarity border, FTC for the style of player / target information i like, scrolling combat text because i like the information, combat parser to track my own abilities... i could care less about seeing yours, i'm not going to play with any of you anyway so it doesnt bother me.. the fact that ZOS made this an online single player RPG took care of the need i would have to ever group with any of you.
i could care less about how much magika and stamina you have, i never saw it as a benefit in any way shape or form, but you can be damn sure that when there is 300+ people in a large scale PvP battle, that particle effects on everyones clients are going into autoscaleback mode to stop the servers from lagging out and you wont be able to see all if many of your precious visual queues for spells imparticular, it's going to be a different story.. again i could care less.
what i do care about is that you automatically assume that i need some kind of crutch or have been trained to play a game in a certain way which is just mind boggling, like literally my mind is blown right now that you all feel that strongly about addons and that they automate gameplay, the lead to bots, they one shot your oponent in PvP because you can see his magika.... guess what, the game is built around LUA thus a bot can be made even without an API at all... the bot hooks into the memory and injects LUA script.. it doesnt need addon support for that. No addons have automated gameplay, no addons i used have a 1 shot kill button in PvP and none of them were as game breaking as you all QQed about.
If nothing else it's going to be amusing to see if Zeni manages to figure out trying to please the vocal PvP crowd is a fool's errand before they let them cannibalize every aspect of the game into the ground.
Anyone who thinks this change will stop the "Mods are eviiiiiil!!!1!!one!!!' whining is delusional.
Albeit not a fraction as delusional as the idiots who think mods somehow play the game for you.
i honestly dont care what you think of how it looks... but it uses 1/5 of my screen which is minimal in my opinion, leaving the whole over 4/5 open to gameplay, and it's not at all cluttered and when there is no raid group there is just a space where those frames are.. nothing in there nice and empty.. fact is, it's not cluttered or messy, which was the point
The point being that unfortunately you have been trained to play a certain way for sol long that to play any other way seems like a foreign concept.
You're obviously a fan of the game with your fancy sig and all... Just need to play like the rest of us or find something else.
i honestly dont though.. the only thing that changes in say FTC for example... is i wont see my targets magika and stamina, or cast bar / buffs / debuffs, i can still use the aesthetics of the addon which isnt about being "trained" a certain way, i've played plenty of games with standard UI and been fine with it, i've played MMO's with almost no UI like ESO but not as strtipped back and been fine with it because there was no other option... i can play the game either way, the point is if i have the option which i still do to make the game more aesthetically pleasing to myself, i'll take that option.
Edit - also dont make assumptions on my playing abilities or styles, seeing as i've been playing online games since MUDs before graphical MMOs were even invented, you hardly have any idea of my background or what i'm capable of putting up with.. the point is if i have the choice for QOL i'll take it because i dont need "an unfair advantage" when all im actually looking for is something visually pleasing to me
You will be able to manipulate the aesthetic feel of the game with what is allowed in the API... You will be able to place more than the basic ESO UI with what is available in the API... As you said you just won't have enemy information and limited information for yourself... that doesn't mean you can't "pretty it up"
And I am sorry for the assumptions... Ya can't blame me though... A 29 year old guy who uses WOW to make a UI point just reads all wrong... I have been in the MMO/MUD scene since we used a hammer and chisel to play
i honestly dont care what you think of how it looks... but it uses 1/5 of my screen which is minimal in my opinion, leaving the whole over 4/5 open to gameplay, and it's not at all cluttered and when there is no raid group there is just a space where those frames are.. nothing in there nice and empty.. fact is, it's not cluttered or messy, which was the point
The point being that unfortunately you have been trained to play a certain way for sol long that to play any other way seems like a foreign concept.
You're obviously a fan of the game with your fancy sig and all... Just need to play like the rest of us or find something else.
i honestly dont though.. the only thing that changes in say FTC for example... is i wont see my targets magika and stamina, or cast bar / buffs / debuffs, i can still use the aesthetics of the addon which isnt about being "trained" a certain way, i've played plenty of games with standard UI and been fine with it, i've played MMO's with almost no UI like ESO but not as strtipped back and been fine with it because there was no other option... i can play the game either way, the point is if i have the option which i still do to make the game more aesthetically pleasing to myself, i'll take that option.
Edit - also dont make assumptions on my playing abilities or styles, seeing as i've been playing online games since MUDs before graphical MMOs were even invented, you hardly have any idea of my background or what i'm capable of putting up with.. the point is if i have the choice for QOL i'll take it because i dont need "an unfair advantage" when all im actually looking for is something visually pleasing to me
You will be able to manipulate the aesthetic feel of the game with what is allowed in the API... You will be able to place more than the basic ESO UI with what is available in the API... As you said you just won't have enemy information and limited information for yourself... that doesn't mean you can't "pretty it up"
And I am sorry for the assumptions... Ya can't blame me though... A 29 year old guy who uses WOW to make a UI point just reads all wrong... I have been in the MMO/MUD scene since we used a hammer and chisel to play
So what the fcuk are we arguing about?
i was using WoW in reference to what the person i responded to used WoW for... that his example was ridiculous.
and what does WoW have todo with anything... because i'm 30 in less then a week i cant enjoy WoW still... show me another game that has as much accessable end game content i can just jump into at any point?
There is no need for all this UI rubbish changes just learn to adapt with what the game gives you.
Firstly No, i find the standard UI visually displeasing for several reasons listed in orange.
Edit 2 - you know what i actually think this is what pisses me off the most.. the presumption all of you anti-addon people take towards the people who are pro choices. "you need a clutch" "you must be bad at the game" "if you were a real player you wouldnt need it", ever stop and think some of us just dont like the standard interface. i do not, not at all, i dont want a minimap it never interested me, but i'd be happy to turn off that god awful compass thing they have going too.. i dont like how my 3 resource bars are spread out across my screen, i dont like where the standard frames puts my target... there is many things i just dont like about it and i shouldnt have to play like that just because you guys think i should. just like you shouldnt have to play with addons if you dont want too. From the get go, i've been saying i just want to use certain addons for QOL, like lootdrop, item rarity border, FTC for the style of player / target information i like, scrolling combat text because i like the information, combat parser to track my own abilities... i could care less about seeing yours, i'm not going to play with any of you anyway so it doesnt bother me.. the fact that ZOS made this an online single player RPG took care of the need i would have to ever group with any of you.
i could care less about how much magika and stamina you have, i never saw it as a benefit in any way shape or form, but you can be damn sure that when there is 300+ people in a large scale PvP battle, that particle effects on everyones clients are going into autoscaleback mode to stop the servers from lagging out and you wont be able to see all if many of your precious visual queues for spells imparticular, it's going to be a different story.. again i could care less.
what i do care about is that you automatically assume that i need some kind of crutch or have been trained to play a game in a certain way which is just mind boggling, like literally my mind is blown right now that you all feel that strongly about addons and that they automate gameplay, the lead to bots, they one shot your oponent in PvP because you can see his magika.... guess what, the game is built around LUA thus a bot can be made even without an API at all... the bot hooks into the memory and injects LUA script.. it doesnt need addon support for that. No addons have automated gameplay, no addons i used have a 1 shot kill button in PvP and none of them were as game breaking as you all QQed about.
If nothing else it's going to be amusing to see if Zeni manages to figure out trying to please the vocal PvP crowd is a fool's errand before they let them cannibalize every aspect of the game into the ground.
Anyone who thinks this change will stop the "Mods are eviiiiiil!!!1!!one!!!' whining is delusional.
Albeit not a fraction as delusional as the idiots who think mods somehow play the game for you.
You do yourself no service calling people idiots. ZOS decided there was an issue with their game being played in a way they do not like. Too much information was made available that tips the balance against players not wanting such tools.
Please tell us why you can't play the game with minimal information of you enemy and define your own performance by your actions rather than mods?
This is just another proof ZOS just has no idea how to make a MMO.
First, a last minute change in one of the basics just shows they have no clear line at all.
Second, the entire idea to leave UI details to addons was a horrible idea in the first place! It creates pro's who are "in the know" and the unwashed noob masses, which is NEVER a good idea.
WHY could they not make a detailled NORMAL MMO UI with all the common info ALL OTHER MMOs have, and then make it all optional so people could configure what they can see and what not. But NOOOO, they had to make it "extra different" for the sake of "not making it like WOW".
So now ZOS decides for me what info about the combat I can see and what not. Why again can't *I* as mature adult not decide for MYSELF what info I see?
The reality is, vast number of MMO players are control freaks and competitive gamers. Like it or not, that's how it is. ZOS drives them all away in their entirety now, and they already drove away a hole lot of OTHER target group. The remainder target audiences is constantly getting slimmer with each new "improvement".
It just reeks of desperation and amateurish fumbling around.
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I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
El, most of the time I agree with your posts however I really feel you need to read your own sig in this case... You seem to be getting worked up over the fact that people in this threads opinion doesn't match your own.
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
El, most of the time I agree with your posts however I really feel you need to read your own sig in this case... You seem to be getting worked up over the fact that people in this threads opinion doesn't match your own.
Look, the point is: why do people so vividly fight against something that is OPTIONAL?
If everyone would be FORCED to have tons of addons spamming the screen I would be the first to protest against this. It's like with Chat Bubbles. Why are people even against optional chat bubbles? It makes no sense to be against it, unless by some neurotic fixation to "be against". This forum is so FULL of people against optional stuff all the time! I simply dont GET IT.
It's a bit like what Whoopie Goldberg said: If you don't like gay marriage, well don't marry a gay person.
Same here. If you don't like chat bubbles or UI addons DONT THE FRACK USE IT. But why anyone would want this be taken away for everyone else who likes it? It makes no sense!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
El, most of the time I agree with your posts however I really feel you need to read your own sig in this case... You seem to be getting worked up over the fact that people in this threads opinion doesn't match your own.
Last time I used a mental illness to qualify his constant irrational change of opinion, some didn't like it. You can like and dislike stuff, have your opinions, but when you change em everyday it becomes annoying.
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
El, most of the time I agree with your posts however I really feel you need to read your own sig in this case... You seem to be getting worked up over the fact that people in this threads opinion doesn't match your own.
Look, the point is: why do people so vividly fight against something that is OPTIONAL?
If everyone would be FORCED to have tons of addons spamming the screen I would be the first to protest against this. It's like with Chat Bubbles. Why are people even against optional chat bubbles? It makes no sense to be against it, unless by some neurotic fixation to "be against". This forum is so FULL of people against optional stuff all the time! I simply dont GET IT.
It's a bit like what Whoopie Goldberg said: If you don't like gay marriage, well don't marry a gay person.
Same here. If you don't like chat bubbles or UI addons DONT THE FRACK USE IT. But why anyone would want this be taken away for everyone else who likes it? It makes no sense!
It is not optional if you need em to compete with others. Sure if all you care about if picking flowers and watching the stars in the sky you don't need em.
But this is not a single player game, there is competition. If you want to be there with the others, you need the same tools they have.
One thing I don't understand. If the Add On capability still allows you to see your own damage and healing numbers, how does that equal "can't tell if my abilities are broken?" Seems a bit disingenuous.
Um, if an ability is supposed to make you do more damage, or crit more and you don't see it in your logs, then it's probably broken.
Just saying.
Nothing is wrong with sending feedback on self buffs. But the API openess we had on the PTS was too much for PvP and EVERYONE knew it.
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
El, most of the time I agree with your posts however I really feel you need to read your own sig in this case... You seem to be getting worked up over the fact that people in this threads opinion doesn't match your own.
Look, the point is: why do people so vividly fight against something that is OPTIONAL?
If everyone would be FORCED to have tons of addons spamming the screen I would be the first to protest against this. It's like with Chat Bubbles. Why are people even against optional chat bubbles? It makes no sense to be against it, unless by some neurotic fixation to "be against". This forum is so FULL of people against optional stuff all the time! I simply dont GET IT.
It's a bit like what Whoopie Goldberg said: If you don't like gay marriage, well don't marry a gay person.
Same here. If you don't like chat bubbles or UI addons DONT THE FRACK USE IT. But why anyone would want this be taken away for everyone else who likes it? It makes no sense!
It is not optional if you need em to compete with others. Sure if all you care about if picking flowers and watching the stars in the sky you don't need em.
But this is not a single player game, there is competition. If you want to be there with the others, you need the same tools they have.
No one forces you to compete. You CHOSE to compete.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
El, most of the time I agree with your posts however I really feel you need to read your own sig in this case... You seem to be getting worked up over the fact that people in this threads opinion doesn't match your own.
Look, the point is: why do people so vividly fight against something that is OPTIONAL?
If everyone would be FORCED to have tons of addons spamming the screen I would be the first to protest against this. It's like with Chat Bubbles. Why are people even against optional chat bubbles? It makes no sense to be against it, unless by some neurotic fixation to "be against". This forum is so FULL of people against optional stuff all the time! I simply dont GET IT.
It's a bit like what Whoopie Goldberg said: If you don't like gay marriage, well don't marry a gay person.
Same here. If you don't like chat bubbles or UI addons DONT THE FRACK USE IT. But why anyone would want this be taken away for everyone else who likes it? It makes no sense!
It is not optional if you need em to compete with others. Sure if all you care about if picking flowers and watching the stars in the sky you don't need em.
But this is not a single player game, there is competition. If you want to be there with the others, you need the same tools they have.
No one forces you to compete. You CHOSE to compete.
And I will still compete without the addons, except I wont be bothered to download, keep track of and update all those addons. So I guess I won already.
You will be able to pretty up your UI, move your health/mana/stam bars around... even show your own numbers... You will be able to frame things out... Personally I despise the default group frame with that crappy black smudge behind it, and hope someone crates a nice clean version of this because I can't mod to save my life.
I am pro change... Just within reason... Cast bars/stats and all that shit give players who use it serious advantages within a PvP centric environment.
Finally a developer is creating a game that is a bit outside the box... let's not persecute them for not "doing it like everyone else"
Look, the point is: why do people so vividly fight against something that is OPTIONAL?
If everyone would be FORCED to have tons of addons spamming the screen I would be the first to protest against this. It's like with Chat Bubbles. Why are people even against optional chat bubbles? It makes no sense to be against it, unless by some neurotic fixation to "be against". This forum is so FULL of people against optional stuff all the time! I simply dont GET IT.
It's a bit like what Whoopie Goldberg said: If you don't like gay marriage, well don't marry a gay person.
Same here. If you don't like chat bubbles or UI addons DONT THE FRACK USE IT. But why anyone would want this be taken away for everyone else who likes it? It makes no sense!
For me the option is likened to, are steroids allowed in athletics?
If you are allowed to pump yourself full of steroids I'd use them, as I perform better. However, some people don't like using steroids.
lol
Will these add on be a necessity to be competitive?
If your not bothered about being emperor I can see why you wouldn't be bothered.
We are not only talking about competetive PVP gameplay. We are talking about PVE bosses killing you, while you have no way to see WHY or HOW, untill you read a webpage that lists his skills. Welcome back to 1999.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
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UI scale?
I generally don't care for UI add-ons, and didn't bother to mess with any on this game knowing there were changes on the horizon.
Figured once the dust settled the best UI standing would be one I'd experiment with if worthwhile.
While I agree, the UI is awkward for someone used to playing MMORPG's of years past, I'm working hard at trying to adapt to the new playstyle it requires of me.
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i honestly dont though.. the only thing that changes in say FTC for example... is i wont see my targets magika and stamina, or cast bar / buffs / debuffs, i can still use the aesthetics of the addon which isnt about being "trained" a certain way, i've played plenty of games with standard UI and been fine with it, i've played MMO's with almost no UI like ESO but not as strtipped back and been fine with it because there was no other option... i can play the game either way, the point is if i have the option which i still do to make the game more aesthetically pleasing to myself, i'll take that option.
Edit - also dont make assumptions on my playing abilities or styles, seeing as i've been playing online games since MUDs before graphical MMOs were even invented, you hardly have any idea of my background or what i'm capable of putting up with.. the point is if i have the choice for QOL i'll take it because i dont need "an unfair advantage" when all im actually looking for is something visually pleasing to me
Edit 2 - you know what i actually think this is what pisses me off the most.. the presumption all of you anti-addon people take towards the people who are pro choices. "you need a clutch" "you must be bad at the game" "if you were a real player you wouldnt need it", ever stop and think some of us just dont like the standard interface. i do not, not at all, i dont want a minimap it never interested me, but i'd be happy to turn off that god awful compass thing they have going too.. i dont like how my 3 resource bars are spread out across my screen, i dont like where the standard frames puts my target... there is many things i just dont like about it and i shouldnt have to play like that just because you guys think i should. just like you shouldnt have to play with addons if you dont want too. From the get go, i've been saying i just want to use certain addons for QOL, like lootdrop, item rarity border, FTC for the style of player / target information i like, scrolling combat text because i like the information, combat parser to track my own abilities... i could care less about seeing yours, i'm not going to play with any of you anyway so it doesnt bother me.. the fact that ZOS made this an online single player RPG took care of the need i would have to ever group with any of you.
i could care less about how much magika and stamina you have, i never saw it as a benefit in any way shape or form, but you can be damn sure that when there is 300+ people in a large scale PvP battle, that particle effects on everyones clients are going into autoscaleback mode to stop the servers from lagging out and you wont be able to see all if many of your precious visual queues for spells imparticular, it's going to be a different story.. again i could care less.
what i do care about is that you automatically assume that i need some kind of crutch or have been trained to play a game in a certain way which is just mind boggling, like literally my mind is blown right now that you all feel that strongly about addons and that they automate gameplay, the lead to bots, they one shot your oponent in PvP because you can see his magika.... guess what, the game is built around LUA thus a bot can be made even without an API at all... the bot hooks into the memory and injects LUA script.. it doesnt need addon support for that. No addons have automated gameplay, no addons i used have a 1 shot kill button in PvP and none of them were as game breaking as you all QQed about.
If nothing else it's going to be amusing to see if Zeni manages to figure out trying to please the vocal PvP crowd is a fool's errand before they let them cannibalize every aspect of the game into the ground.
Anyone who thinks this change will stop the "Mods are eviiiiiil!!!1!!one!!!' whining is delusional.
Albeit not a fraction as delusional as the idiots who think mods somehow play the game for you.
You will be able to manipulate the aesthetic feel of the game with what is allowed in the API... You will be able to place more than the basic ESO UI with what is available in the API... As you said you just won't have enemy information and limited information for yourself... that doesn't mean you can't "pretty it up"
And I am sorry for the assumptions... Ya can't blame me though... A 29 year old guy who uses WOW to make a UI point just reads all wrong... I have been in the MMO/MUD scene since we used a hammer and chisel to play
So what the fcuk are we arguing about?
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
i was using WoW in reference to what the person i responded to used WoW for... that his example was ridiculous.
and what does WoW have todo with anything... because i'm 30 in less then a week i cant enjoy WoW still... show me another game that has as much accessable end game content i can just jump into at any point?
There is no need for all this UI rubbish changes just learn to adapt with what the game gives you.
Firstly No, i find the standard UI visually displeasing for several reasons listed in orange.
Edit 2 - you know what i actually think this is what pisses me off the most.. the presumption all of you anti-addon people take towards the people who are pro choices. "you need a clutch" "you must be bad at the game" "if you were a real player you wouldnt need it", ever stop and think some of us just dont like the standard interface. i do not, not at all, i dont want a minimap it never interested me, but i'd be happy to turn off that god awful compass thing they have going too.. i dont like how my 3 resource bars are spread out across my screen, i dont like where the standard frames puts my target... there is many things i just dont like about it and i shouldnt have to play like that just because you guys think i should. just like you shouldnt have to play with addons if you dont want too. From the get go, i've been saying i just want to use certain addons for QOL, like lootdrop, item rarity border, FTC for the style of player / target information i like, scrolling combat text because i like the information, combat parser to track my own abilities... i could care less about seeing yours, i'm not going to play with any of you anyway so it doesnt bother me.. the fact that ZOS made this an online single player RPG took care of the need i would have to ever group with any of you.
i could care less about how much magika and stamina you have, i never saw it as a benefit in any way shape or form, but you can be damn sure that when there is 300+ people in a large scale PvP battle, that particle effects on everyones clients are going into autoscaleback mode to stop the servers from lagging out and you wont be able to see all if many of your precious visual queues for spells imparticular, it's going to be a different story.. again i could care less.
what i do care about is that you automatically assume that i need some kind of crutch or have been trained to play a game in a certain way which is just mind boggling, like literally my mind is blown right now that you all feel that strongly about addons and that they automate gameplay, the lead to bots, they one shot your oponent in PvP because you can see his magika.... guess what, the game is built around LUA thus a bot can be made even without an API at all... the bot hooks into the memory and injects LUA script.. it doesnt need addon support for that. No addons have automated gameplay, no addons i used have a 1 shot kill button in PvP and none of them were as game breaking as you all QQed about.
You do yourself no service calling people idiots. ZOS decided there was an issue with their game being played in a way they do not like. Too much information was made available that tips the balance against players not wanting such tools.
Please tell us why you can't play the game with minimal information of you enemy and define your own performance by your actions rather than mods?
You stay sassy!
This is just another proof ZOS just has no idea how to make a MMO.
First, a last minute change in one of the basics just shows they have no clear line at all.
Second, the entire idea to leave UI details to addons was a horrible idea in the first place! It creates pro's who are "in the know" and the unwashed noob masses, which is NEVER a good idea.
WHY could they not make a detailled NORMAL MMO UI with all the common info ALL OTHER MMOs have, and then make it all optional so people could configure what they can see and what not. But NOOOO, they had to make it "extra different" for the sake of "not making it like WOW".
So now ZOS decides for me what info about the combat I can see and what not. Why again can't *I* as mature adult not decide for MYSELF what info I see?
The reality is, vast number of MMO players are control freaks and competitive gamers. Like it or not, that's how it is. ZOS drives them all away in their entirety now, and they already drove away a hole lot of OTHER target group. The remainder target audiences is constantly getting slimmer with each new "improvement".
It just reeks of desperation and amateurish fumbling around.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
All you need to know is making the enemy's bar smaller while keeping your bar bigger.
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
I really wonder why having a choice is considered bad. Noone can force addons on you but yourself.
I do agree one one thing tho: Having to use addons to get access to VITAL AND BASIC information that the stock UI does not tell you,... is bad. Buff yourself up every once in a while, you never know when it drops. *facepalm*
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
It is because some people are unhappy and they do not rest until everyone else is as unhappy as they are. They can not stand ANYONE does things different.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
El, most of the time I agree with your posts however I really feel you need to read your own sig in this case... You seem to be getting worked up over the fact that people in this threads opinion doesn't match your own.
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
Look, the point is: why do people so vividly fight against something that is OPTIONAL?
If everyone would be FORCED to have tons of addons spamming the screen I would be the first to protest against this. It's like with Chat Bubbles. Why are people even against optional chat bubbles? It makes no sense to be against it, unless by some neurotic fixation to "be against". This forum is so FULL of people against optional stuff all the time! I simply dont GET IT.
It's a bit like what Whoopie Goldberg said: If you don't like gay marriage, well don't marry a gay person.
Same here. If you don't like chat bubbles or UI addons DONT THE FRACK USE IT. But why anyone would want this be taken away for everyone else who likes it? It makes no sense!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Last time I used a mental illness to qualify his constant irrational change of opinion, some didn't like it. You can like and dislike stuff, have your opinions, but when you change em everyday it becomes annoying.
It is not optional if you need em to compete with others. Sure if all you care about if picking flowers and watching the stars in the sky you don't need em.
But this is not a single player game, there is competition. If you want to be there with the others, you need the same tools they have.
One thing I don't understand. If the Add On capability still allows you to see your own damage and healing numbers, how does that equal "can't tell if my abilities are broken?" Seems a bit disingenuous.
Um, if an ability is supposed to make you do more damage, or crit more and you don't see it in your logs, then it's probably broken.
Just saying.
Nothing is wrong with sending feedback on self buffs. But the API openess we had on the PTS was too much for PvP and EVERYONE knew it.
No one forces you to compete. You CHOSE to compete.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
And I will still compete without the addons, except I wont be bothered to download, keep track of and update all those addons. So I guess I won already.
Guy.. guys...
You will be able to pretty up your UI, move your health/mana/stam bars around... even show your own numbers... You will be able to frame things out... Personally I despise the default group frame with that crappy black smudge behind it, and hope someone crates a nice clean version of this because I can't mod to save my life.
I am pro change... Just within reason... Cast bars/stats and all that shit give players who use it serious advantages within a PvP centric environment.
Finally a developer is creating a game that is a bit outside the box... let's not persecute them for not "doing it like everyone else"
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
For me the option is likened to, are steroids allowed in athletics?
If you are allowed to pump yourself full of steroids I'd use them, as I perform better. However, some people don't like using steroids.
lol
Will these add on be a necessity to be competitive?
If your not bothered about being emperor I can see why you wouldn't be bothered.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
Credit to Jyiiga for posting this:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/6249561#6249561
Thread locked but pretty much sums it up.
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...