meanwhile i can't figure out why anyone wants to play a game like ESO where the combat is so repeatedly that i want to puke, but hey! That's my opinion, but some ppl don't think that no one haves a different taste than himself....sigh
I personally cannot stnd cartoonish graphics, i almost didnt play wow because of that. How ever, on a whim i picked up WS and so far have been absolutely loving it. The graphics have grown on me, and the charactr developement is above and beyond anything on the market that i have played.
You know, how you play a cartoon in every other game made. Seriously, what kind of stupid thread is this. You think that game of GW 2 is a real person inside?
Originally posted by shiner421 I personally cannot stnd cartoonish graphics, i almost didnt play wow because of that. How ever, on a whim i picked up WS and so far have been absolutely loving it. The graphics have grown on me, and the charactr developement is above and beyond anything on the market that i have played.
I feel the same way. I wasn't going to play this but my 25 year old son talked me into trying it. I'm glad he did, it is very fun!
This game has opened my eyes to Everquest Next as well. I really had been turned off by these new action combat, over the top cartoony looking games. WS has made me realize that you have to check out everything you can or it will slip on by.
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I wish I could say the cartoon look didn't bother me , but it very obviously does. From what I understand there are some terrific features in this game. If the look didn't bother me, however, I would be playing WoW since in my mind the games look similar and WoW has been around longer with lots more content. In the end it is a very personal opinion and no one can say you are right or wrong for liking or not liking the look of a game.
Originally posted by Loktofeit The same way I've gotten past playing an elf, dragon, froglok, spaceman, or spellcasting mage.
Stop pretending it's the same. It's not. You can be immersed in a world of fantasy that looks realistic, but not in one that looks the opposite.
I can't believe you said that. I'm always amazed how some people can have a firm belief and then insist that everyone else must have the same line of thinking
Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others can't. That immersion comes in different forms. Being drawn into the world doesn't just mean the player forgets he/she is in a game because of realism.
And keep in mind that in general I don't like stylized or "cartoony" art design. But even I can see how people can become immersed in different experiences.
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That's the trick, of yoU like/don't mind the gfx then you have a choice between the gameplay offered by wow mop and wildstar. Wildstar is really aiming at those who liked wow tbc, wow has a broader market in mind, the former is more specialised the latter generalised.
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Agree Sovrath, eso was more 'realistic' but I found the graphics incredibly flat and dull (yet pretty). graphics is not the key factor in immersion, it's the story -and the ability of the player to immerse themselves. A dying skill it seems (x more pIxels is important!)
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Originally posted by Deathstrike2 The graphics are such a turn off for me, I can't get past them. Call them stylized if you like, but to me they're cartoons. And not good ones at that. BLAH! I just can't do it anymore...
I grew up playing goofy, cartoony, nonsensical games. Its kind of the core of the genre. But I understand there is a large generation of gamers who prefer realism. I like it all.
Why is it so difficult to understand why people often lump 'cartoony' features in with children? It should be obvious, and I shouldn't need to explain it. So I won't, and I'll assume you are intelligent enough to figure it out.
except he claims that he wasn't lumping "cartoony" with children.
1. The game's art style is cartoony (for clarification - not childish -- just cartoony).
Additionally the issue is never whether "cartoony" is "lumped with children" but why some insist that it can only be children. Especially since from what I see, the first comics weren't for children.
edit: and there are a LOT of comics and cartoons/animated features that are for adults only or would not be understood/appreciated by children.
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The style is not really the issue for me, but I can see how if you just don't like the style, no matter how great other things are, it's hard to ignore it.
The two biggest issues I have with the game is that the graphics are not optimized. You get a huge range of FPS drops and spikes. The other issue for me is the really bland questing.
Other than that, it's really a super fun game. I think it's one of the best ot come out in a while. My mmo of choice is FFXIV, but when I get bored, I plan on subbing for a month in WIldstar. I also like the combat animations and the combat in general, really well done and deep.
Why is it so difficult to understand why people often lump 'cartoony' features in with children? It should be obvious, and I shouldn't need to explain it. So I won't, and I'll assume you are intelligent enough to figure it out.
except he claims that he wasn't lumping "cartoony" with children.
1. The game's art style is cartoony (for clarification - not childish -- just cartoony).
Additionally the issue is never whether "cartoony" is "lumped with children" but why some insist that it can only be children. Especially since from what I see, the first comics weren't for children.
edit: and there are a LOT of comics and cartoons/animated features that are for adults only or would not be understood/appreciated by children.
Anime is a massive market aimed at adults. The whole cartoons are only for children holds about as much water as posting cartoon graphics have a small market appeal on the wow forums. It comes from people who can't understand how anyone could have a different opinion than they do because their opinion is right.
Originally posted by ZizouX Other than that, it's really a super fun game. I think it's one of the best ot come out in a while. My mmo of choice is FFXIV, but when I get bored, I plan on subbing for a month in WIldstar. I also like the combat animations and the combat in general, really well done and deep.
I am playing both FFXIV and W* right now and they complement each other very well
I think the biggest question people in this thread should be asking is why do some people automatically assume that if they don't like something then there must be something wrong with the people who do. Or vice versa.
Originally posted by Peer_Gynt I think the biggest question people in this thread should be asking is why do some people automatically assume that if they don't like something then there must be something wrong with the people who do. Or vice versa.
Its a mini representation of the social dysfunction happening in our society.
Originally posted by Peer_Gynt I think the biggest question people in this thread should be asking is why do some people automatically assume that if they don't like something then there must be something wrong with the people who do. Or vice versa.
I agree with you.
to the original post, the poster can't understand how one can play a game with "cartoony graphics".
If I was to take everything at face value I would probably be saying "how can anyone enjoy ... " you fill in the blank.
Instead, I think a healthier stance would be to understand that people DO like X, Y, and Z and then come to the conclusions such as
"there is something in the subject matter that falls outside of my experience and therefore I have no starting point or context to understand it"
"there is something in the subject matter that appeals to certain individuals yet clearly I'm not "wired" in the same way as they".
Which might lead me to self reflection and the question "is there a way for me to understand and appreciate X, Y and Z and to possibly put aside my preconceptions of what something has to be" or "perhaps I will never be wired to appreciate it".
edit: then again, perhaps it's more of a rant and he doesn't really care how one can play a game with "stylized" art design. So all the above then just becomes moot.
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The graphics are such a turn off for me, I can't get past them. Call them stylized if you like, but to me they're cartoons. And not good ones at that. BLAH! I just can't do it anymore...
Man, I hear you, OP. Same for me, I can't stomach it. Too bad as well, I think if it was realistic graphics (maybe also without the stupid humor) Wildstar would be a perfect fit for me.
most mmo 's players dont care for graphic ,we care for content team work gameplay , players interactions
Best mmo's games on market are 10+ years old games .
An absolutely false statement. If it were even remotely true, we'd still be playing MUD's as they were and still are far superior in content compared to most of today's MMORPGs.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
most mmo 's players dont care for graphic ,we care for content team work gameplay , players interactions
Best mmo's games on market are 10+ years old games .
An absolutely false statement. If it were even remotely true, we'd still be playing MUD's as they were and still are far superior in content compared to most of today's MMORPGs.
DnD RPG is more popular than it ever was. So it does seem like bland combat and 0 graphics can hold the test of time with player interaction, teamwork, and story.
There are games that are 100x more realistic than any RPG will ever be, if graphics meant something wouldnt we all be playing those instead?
I get past cartooney graphics coz i take it for what they are.... a damn video game, if i want realistic i'll just walk outside my house and stare at the trees.
most mmo 's players dont care for graphic ,we care for content team work gameplay , players interactions
Best mmo's games on market are 10+ years old games .
An absolutely false statement. If it were even remotely true, we'd still be playing MUD's as they were and still are far superior in content compared to most of today's MMORPGs.
DnD RPG is more popular than it ever was. So it does seem like bland combat and 0 graphics can hold the test of time with player interaction, teamwork, and story.
There are games that are 100x more realistic than any RPG will ever be, if graphics meant something wouldnt we all be playing those instead?
Pen and Paper roleplaying is a completely different animal, you might as well be comparing computer MMOs to every board game and card game that ever existed. Different genre, different reasons to play, different business model and not even remotely direct competition to each other. MUDs, first generation and second generation MMOs are logical comparisons for the topic at hand.
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It is a graphical representation.... Aka: Toon
I feel the same way. I wasn't going to play this but my 25 year old son talked me into trying it. I'm glad he did, it is very fun!
This game has opened my eyes to Everquest Next as well. I really had been turned off by these new action combat, over the top cartoony looking games. WS has made me realize that you have to check out everything you can or it will slip on by.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I can't believe you said that. I'm always amazed how some people can have a firm belief and then insist that everyone else must have the same line of thinking
Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others can't. That immersion comes in different forms. Being drawn into the world doesn't just mean the player forgets he/she is in a game because of realism.
And keep in mind that in general I don't like stylized or "cartoony" art design. But even I can see how people can become immersed in different experiences.
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I grew up playing goofy, cartoony, nonsensical games. Its kind of the core of the genre. But I understand there is a large generation of gamers who prefer realism. I like it all.
except he claims that he wasn't lumping "cartoony" with children.
1. The game's art style is cartoony (for clarification - not childish -- just cartoony).
Additionally the issue is never whether "cartoony" is "lumped with children" but why some insist that it can only be children. Especially since from what I see, the first comics weren't for children.
edit: and there are a LOT of comics and cartoons/animated features that are for adults only or would not be understood/appreciated by children.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The style is not really the issue for me, but I can see how if you just don't like the style, no matter how great other things are, it's hard to ignore it.
The two biggest issues I have with the game is that the graphics are not optimized. You get a huge range of FPS drops and spikes. The other issue for me is the really bland questing.
Other than that, it's really a super fun game. I think it's one of the best ot come out in a while. My mmo of choice is FFXIV, but when I get bored, I plan on subbing for a month in WIldstar. I also like the combat animations and the combat in general, really well done and deep.
Anime is a massive market aimed at adults. The whole cartoons are only for children holds about as much water as posting cartoon graphics have a small market appeal on the wow forums. It comes from people who can't understand how anyone could have a different opinion than they do because their opinion is right.
I am playing both FFXIV and W* right now and they complement each other very well
Its a mini representation of the social dysfunction happening in our society.
If it takes cartoon style graphics to give me a world where I can travel from zone to zone without a loading screen. I say bring em on.
IMHO loading screens are much more immersion breaking than cartoon style graphics.
ps. I'm really enjoying Wildstar
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I agree with you.
to the original post, the poster can't understand how one can play a game with "cartoony graphics".
If I was to take everything at face value I would probably be saying "how can anyone enjoy ... " you fill in the blank.
Instead, I think a healthier stance would be to understand that people DO like X, Y, and Z and then come to the conclusions such as
"there is something in the subject matter that falls outside of my experience and therefore I have no starting point or context to understand it"
"there is something in the subject matter that appeals to certain individuals yet clearly I'm not "wired" in the same way as they".
Which might lead me to self reflection and the question "is there a way for me to understand and appreciate X, Y and Z and to possibly put aside my preconceptions of what something has to be" or "perhaps I will never be wired to appreciate it".
edit: then again, perhaps it's more of a rant and he doesn't really care how one can play a game with "stylized" art design. So all the above then just becomes moot.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Man, I hear you, OP. Same for me, I can't stomach it. Too bad as well, I think if it was realistic graphics (maybe also without the stupid humor) Wildstar would be a perfect fit for me.
An absolutely false statement. If it were even remotely true, we'd still be playing MUD's as they were and still are far superior in content compared to most of today's MMORPGs.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
- C.S. Lewis
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DnD RPG is more popular than it ever was. So it does seem like bland combat and 0 graphics can hold the test of time with player interaction, teamwork, and story.
There are games that are 100x more realistic than any RPG will ever be, if graphics meant something wouldnt we all be playing those instead?
Pen and Paper roleplaying is a completely different animal, you might as well be comparing computer MMOs to every board game and card game that ever existed. Different genre, different reasons to play, different business model and not even remotely direct competition to each other. MUDs, first generation and second generation MMOs are logical comparisons for the topic at hand.