Originally posted by Dauntis I guess I would rather watch a cartoon rabbit blow a cartoon duck's bill off than a real rabbit blow a real duck's bill off.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Originally posted by Dauntis I guess I would rather watch a cartoon rabbit blow a cartoon duck's bill off than a real rabbit blow a real duck's bill off.
how do u get past watching Mona Lisa from Leonardo Da Vinci or the Weeping Woman from Picasso?
yes it does sound like a silly question, without any correct answer, just a personal judgment none really care about (unless you might be a famous art critic)
As a 3D artist, I believe there is no diferernce between cartoon and realistic 3D.
The modeling is basicaly the same: points, lines, squares, triangles
texturing is the same: zoom out and you can see something breathtaking, zoom in and its just colored pixels
animating: again more or less the same thing
AND U KNOW WHY?
because there is nothing like realistic 3D, it's all fake and every time you get fooled that mean the artist did his job well !!
But that doesn't mean you can't find nice realistic 3D, just don't expect to play any of it, unless you open your door and go play outside.
how do u get past watching Mona Lisa from Leonardo Da Vinci or the Weeping Woman from Picasso?
yes it does sound like a silly question, without any correct answer, just a personal judgment none really care about (unless you might be a famous art critic)
As a 3D artist, I believe there is no diferernce between cartoon and realistic 3D.
The modeling is basicaly the same: points, lines, squares, triangles
texturing is the same: zoom out and you can see something breathtaking, zoom in and its just colored pixels
animating: again more or less the same thing
AND U KNOW WHY?
because there is nothing like realistic 3D, it's all fake and every time you get fooled that mean the artist did his job well !!
But that doesn't mean you can't find nice realistic 3D, just don't expect to play any of it, unless you open your door and go play outside.
You need an engineer to place 4 wood planks and a toilet seat? I guess you are not an architect either.
sure the outcome looks different... but it's not that different overall.
Point is reality is boring and that is why artist make people dream by twisting reality.
twist it to make it cartoon-like or realistic-like, is the same thing in the end
just some people prefer this or that, just like people prefer realistic paintings over abrstract painting, or old vehicules vs scifi vehicules, etc etc
someone that can trully enjoy art should be more open and not only focus on what he see or hear (for music)
how do u get past watching Mona Lisa from Leonardo Da Vinci or the Weeping Woman from Picasso?
yes it does sound like a silly question, without any correct answer, just a personal judgment none really care about (unless you might be a famous art critic)
As a 3D artist, I believe there is no diferernce between cartoon and realistic 3D.
The modeling is basicaly the same: points, lines, squares, triangles
texturing is the same: zoom out and you can see something breathtaking, zoom in and its just colored pixels
animating: again more or less the same thing
AND U KNOW WHY?
because there is nothing like realistic 3D, it's all fake and every time you get fooled that mean the artist did his job well !!
But that doesn't mean you can't find nice realistic 3D, just don't expect to play any of it, unless you open your door and go play outside.
You need an engineer to place 4 wood planks and a toilet seat? I guess you are not an architect either.
sure the outcome looks different... but it's not that different overall.
Point is reality is boring and that is why artist make people dream by twisting reality.
twist it to make it cartoon-like or realistic-like, is the same thing in the end
just some people prefer this or that, just like people prefer realistic paintings over abrstract painting, or old vehicules vs scifi vehicules, etc etc
someone that can trully enjoy art should be more open and not only focus on what he see or hear (for music)
You dont need engineer to pour concrete or weld steel either, so whats your point?
Speak for yourself when you say reality is boring. Mine isnt. And there are some premises that have been built into presentation as well. Imagine Mad Max as a super cartooney style like WS. It sure woldnt make sense.
since I've seen Wildstar gameplay videos, SWTOR suddenly looks photorealstic to me.
And Age of Conan looks like actual realiy!
Thank you Wildstar
(jk, good game)
Haha. It's true though.
I might've tried this game if it didn't go with the extreme cartoonish look, and if it didn't have a monthly subscription. I just can't get into a game that looks like a saturday morning cartoon.
how do u get past watching Mona Lisa from Leonardo Da Vinci or the Weeping Woman from Picasso?
yes it does sound like a silly question, without any correct answer, just a personal judgment none really care about (unless you might be a famous art critic)
As a 3D artist, I believe there is no diferernce between cartoon and realistic 3D.
The modeling is basicaly the same: points, lines, squares, triangles
texturing is the same: zoom out and you can see something breathtaking, zoom in and its just colored pixels
animating: again more or less the same thing
AND U KNOW WHY?
because there is nothing like realistic 3D, it's all fake and every time you get fooled that mean the artist did his job well !!
But that doesn't mean you can't find nice realistic 3D, just don't expect to play any of it, unless you open your door and go play outside.
That's the technicality of it though. You have to take into consideration, the interpretation and the perception, of the end-user. The dialogue, story, animations, physics, all determine the "realism" of the product.
I can't say that I don't like the cartoonish graphics because I played WOW for a bit and loved it, but on another note, I played ESO and I really liked their graphics too but I got a bit tired of how realistic it was for a while.
...... Or maybe its because I haven't played WildStar yet, yeah that might be it.
Okay, so if I understand it correctly, I'm ignorant, clueless, and unintelligent. That may all be true. However, jumping to conclusions about my educational background and lowering yourselves to name calling doesn't reflect well either. With that, I'll try to circle back around to my original points.
1. The game's art style is cartoony (for clarification - not childish -- just cartoony).
2. I believe the graphics are sub par for the genre. (again for clarification - my opinion based on my personal preferences).
3. The only question I asked was how do you get past the cartoony graphics to enjoy the game.
To those of you who responded to the question, thank you! I enjoyed the responses and can understand how the story might pull one into the game and push the graphics to the background. I guess that's a big part of the issue for me. I'm not really getting into the game, and the initial shock of the poor graphics (based on my opinion) is pushing me away.
To the others, it's okay. Whether or not I like the graphics or the game itself changes nothing for you. Don't feel obligated to attack someone just because they have a differing opinion.
Originally posted by Loktofeit The same way I've gotten past playing an elf, dragon, froglok, spaceman, or spellcasting mage.
I think we have a winner here.
Though I prefer "realistic" art design, I don't understand how people can denigrate styleized graphics, insinuating they are "for kids" and still play video games pretending to be an Elf, an Orc, a Mage or "Space Man spiff".
I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that date:
"Wait, you play video games?"
"it's ok, I only play the games that have realistic graphics. My character is a Dark elf Shadow Knight and let me tell you all about it!!!!
Pretty much lol
I think there's some degree of "ego" or "self-identity" wrapped up in this stuff. Many gamers, perhaps even the OP, seem to identify themselves a bit too much by what type of games they like, or what kind of graphics they're into; as though it somehow says something about them personally. I don't get it, either.
It's the same thing with guys who won't play games where you're a female character, or have a fit if they find out someone else in a MMO is a guy playing a female. It seems to grate on their sense of "manliness".
Back when the GCN was still new, I saw a lot of people (even personal friends/associates) who "refused" to buy a Gamecube because "it was too kiddy-looking" or "too colorful". A couple referred to it as "gay" (which I think says a lot right there about their thinking process). They could only play a "serious looking" console. I reminded them that the console is merely the part that plays the games, and were there any games they wanted to play on the GC? They said "yes, but I won't play it on that system".
One guy I knew from a local Gamestop boycotted a game company he liked because they were only releasing a game he wanted to play on the GC, and he refused to play anything on a GC... so he basically decided that game company was screwing him over personally. Because he didn't like how colorful and "cute" the GC looked.
Remember people complaining about the graphics in Diablo 3, as being "too colorful"? Someone actually altered some screenshots to show Blizzard's artists - people with tons of talent, training and experience - how the game "should" look. Yeah.. "Blizzard, make your game darker and more brooding and manly. My friends might tease me if they see all these colors all over the screen".
The bottom line, to me, is that there are people out there who have some serious hang-ups and insecurities they need to work through. Because, while it's perfectly okay to "prefer" certain things... the reaction many people have to anything "colorful", or "cartoony", or simply not "dark, monochrome and manly enough" for them is really absurd.
I'm no psychologist, nor am I qualified to psycho-analyze it... but I wouldn't be surprised to find there are some deeper rooted issues going on there in many cases.
They're just games. They're entertainment. That's all. They should be played because you enjoy the challenges/story/whatever... And that's it.
You dont need engineer to pour concrete or weld steel either, so whats your point?
Speak for yourself when you say reality is boring. Mine isnt. And there are some premises that have been built into presentation as well. Imagine Mad Max as a super cartooney style like WS. It sure woldnt make sense.
You seem to have missed the point of the "reality is boring" statement. They weren't saying reality is boring in the normal sense of the word... It's more a sense of "reality is familiar, and mostly predictable". The idea is to create worlds, creatures, whatever, that couldn't exist or, at least to our knowledge, don't exist. We see the "familiar" every day. Fantasy games offer an opportunity to take us away from that.
However exciting your personal reality might be... It's also probably familiar, predictable and not terribly full of surprises. I doubt most anyone (short of using really interesting drugs) finds themselves flying to remote worlds and doing battle with bizarre creatures on a daily basis, etc...
If that's not your thing, then that's fine. That's why there are games covering all different styles. No argument there.
I just wanted to clarify what that person probably meant by "boring"
You dont need engineer to pour concrete or weld steel either, so whats your point?
Speak for yourself when you say reality is boring. Mine isnt. And there are some premises that have been built into presentation as well. Imagine Mad Max as a super cartooney style like WS. It sure woldnt make sense.
You seem to have missed the point of the "reality is boring" statement. They weren't saying reality is boring in the normal sense of the word... It's more a sense of "reality is familiar, and mostly predictable". The idea is to create worlds, creatures, whatever, that couldn't exist or, at least to our knowledge, don't exist. We see the "familiar" every day. Fantasy games offer an opportunity to take us away from that.
However exciting your personal reality might be... It's also probably familiar, predictable and not terribly full of surprises. I doubt most anyone (short of using really interesting drugs) finds themselves flying to remote worlds and doing battle with bizarre creatures on a daily basis, etc...
If that's not your thing, then that's fine. That's why there are games covering all different styles. No argument there.
I just wanted to clarify what that person probably meant by "boring"
Nope, he ment it just as he said it, trust me i got a juicy PM from him
You dont conquer a perfectly realistic fort, drive tanks, fly jets, kill animals/people/conquer the world..... ... ...on a daily basis.
Just because its "relistic" doesnt mean unimaginitive, dry and boring. Word you are looking for is "unispired".
Anyway, this is about art, not "relistic game", elves can be pretty realistic, i find elves in LOTR movies just fine ;P
Cartoonistic is one thing... but over the top/clunky is another, 'in my opinion'.
It took me 3 separate attempts to finally relent and look beyond the art style of WoW.
I gave Wildstar multiple attempts already. I may try to play it yet again in the future. But I do think I'd like something a bit closer to a 'realistic' art-style, if at all possible.
No, graphics alone won't kill a game (take a look at Minecraft (without mods)), but graphics really can help.
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Duck season, FIRE!
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
That sums it up.
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Whoa! Whoa, hold on there.
I would pay good money to see a real rabbit fire a gun at a real duck and actually hit the duck. I think a lot of people would.
Basic process of building these
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-outhouse4.html
and these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_structures_in_the_world
is the same.
The outcome...not so much.
You need an engineer to place 4 wood planks and a toilet seat? I guess you are not an architect either.
sure the outcome looks different... but it's not that different overall.
Point is reality is boring and that is why artist make people dream by twisting reality.
twist it to make it cartoon-like or realistic-like, is the same thing in the end
just some people prefer this or that, just like people prefer realistic paintings over abrstract painting, or old vehicules vs scifi vehicules, etc etc
someone that can trully enjoy art should be more open and not only focus on what he see or hear (for music)
You dont need engineer to pour concrete or weld steel either, so whats your point?
Speak for yourself when you say reality is boring. Mine isnt. And there are some premises that have been built into presentation as well. Imagine Mad Max as a super cartooney style like WS. It sure woldnt make sense.
Haha. It's true though.
I might've tried this game if it didn't go with the extreme cartoonish look, and if it didn't have a monthly subscription. I just can't get into a game that looks like a saturday morning cartoon.
That's the technicality of it though. You have to take into consideration, the interpretation and the perception, of the end-user. The dialogue, story, animations, physics, all determine the "realism" of the product.
I can't say that I don't like the cartoonish graphics because I played WOW for a bit and loved it, but on another note, I played ESO and I really liked their graphics too but I got a bit tired of how realistic it was for a while.
...... Or maybe its because I haven't played WildStar yet, yeah that might be it.
"Cartoon" is NOT an adjective.
Pretty much lol
I think there's some degree of "ego" or "self-identity" wrapped up in this stuff. Many gamers, perhaps even the OP, seem to identify themselves a bit too much by what type of games they like, or what kind of graphics they're into; as though it somehow says something about them personally. I don't get it, either.
It's the same thing with guys who won't play games where you're a female character, or have a fit if they find out someone else in a MMO is a guy playing a female. It seems to grate on their sense of "manliness".
Back when the GCN was still new, I saw a lot of people (even personal friends/associates) who "refused" to buy a Gamecube because "it was too kiddy-looking" or "too colorful". A couple referred to it as "gay" (which I think says a lot right there about their thinking process). They could only play a "serious looking" console. I reminded them that the console is merely the part that plays the games, and were there any games they wanted to play on the GC? They said "yes, but I won't play it on that system".
One guy I knew from a local Gamestop boycotted a game company he liked because they were only releasing a game he wanted to play on the GC, and he refused to play anything on a GC... so he basically decided that game company was screwing him over personally. Because he didn't like how colorful and "cute" the GC looked.
Remember people complaining about the graphics in Diablo 3, as being "too colorful"? Someone actually altered some screenshots to show Blizzard's artists - people with tons of talent, training and experience - how the game "should" look. Yeah.. "Blizzard, make your game darker and more brooding and manly. My friends might tease me if they see all these colors all over the screen".
The bottom line, to me, is that there are people out there who have some serious hang-ups and insecurities they need to work through. Because, while it's perfectly okay to "prefer" certain things... the reaction many people have to anything "colorful", or "cartoony", or simply not "dark, monochrome and manly enough" for them is really absurd.
I'm no psychologist, nor am I qualified to psycho-analyze it... but I wouldn't be surprised to find there are some deeper rooted issues going on there in many cases.
They're just games. They're entertainment. That's all. They should be played because you enjoy the challenges/story/whatever... And that's it.
You seem to have missed the point of the "reality is boring" statement. They weren't saying reality is boring in the normal sense of the word... It's more a sense of "reality is familiar, and mostly predictable". The idea is to create worlds, creatures, whatever, that couldn't exist or, at least to our knowledge, don't exist. We see the "familiar" every day. Fantasy games offer an opportunity to take us away from that.
However exciting your personal reality might be... It's also probably familiar, predictable and not terribly full of surprises. I doubt most anyone (short of using really interesting drugs) finds themselves flying to remote worlds and doing battle with bizarre creatures on a daily basis, etc...
If that's not your thing, then that's fine. That's why there are games covering all different styles. No argument there.
I just wanted to clarify what that person probably meant by "boring"
Nope, he ment it just as he said it, trust me i got a juicy PM from him
You dont conquer a perfectly realistic fort, drive tanks, fly jets, kill animals/people/conquer the world..... ... ...on a daily basis.
Just because its "relistic" doesnt mean unimaginitive, dry and boring. Word you are looking for is "unispired".
Anyway, this is about art, not "relistic game", elves can be pretty realistic, i find elves in LOTR movies just fine ;P
Cartoonistic is one thing... but over the top/clunky is another, 'in my opinion'.
It took me 3 separate attempts to finally relent and look beyond the art style of WoW.
I gave Wildstar multiple attempts already. I may try to play it yet again in the future. But I do think I'd like something a bit closer to a 'realistic' art-style, if at all possible.
No, graphics alone won't kill a game (take a look at Minecraft (without mods)), but graphics really can help.