This person is clearly trolling. Anyone who has ever played Archeage knows its a sandbox. Anyone who has ever played a MMO knows you cant judge it by only playing 30 min.
Heres a tip, level past 10, and then go experience the game.
Dude, I'm not trying to troll, I'm just interested in knowing if I need to spend hours to get to some actual good sandbox play or if my suspicion as a burnt out MMO player is true and this is just like all the rest with some better crafting or PVP or whatever they define sandbox as....
Ya, I don't see you trolling at all. Fans of games call it that if you aren't on their side of the fence.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
This person is clearly trolling. Anyone who has ever played Archeage knows its a sandbox. Anyone who has ever played a MMO knows you cant judge it by only playing 30 min.
Heres a tip, level past 10, and then go experience the game.
Dude, I'm not trying to troll, I'm just interested in knowing if I need to spend hours to get to some actual good sandbox play or if my suspicion as a burnt out MMO player is true and this is just like all the rest with some better crafting or PVP or whatever they define sandbox as....
Yes you are. You admitted u didn't even bother to search, a simple Google search would've helped you, but I guess that's too hard for you? Seriously you spent 30 minutes in game and already throwing insults and comparisons around?
And every other post you directly attack the game you are so called interested in. I wish they would ban and lock these threads already. It's getting old.
Edit: I'll help you out in the weird case you are naive and being honest. AA is not for you. It's a weird sandpark if you absolutely need some label to make a decision for you. It has some weird long tutorial that lasts up to levels 20s, but if you google the info you can start out on your own from level 5 and do whatever you want.
I do not like to use terms. If a game is fun, it's fun, and does not matter what genre it fits in. I had just as much fun in WoW as I did in Eve Online (before the massive griefing), and had just as much fun in Minecraft.
AA is more of a throwback to old MMOs, without the hard leveling part.
This person is clearly trolling. Anyone who has ever played Archeage knows its a sandbox. Anyone who has ever played a MMO knows you cant judge it by only playing 30 min.
Heres a tip, level past 10, and then go experience the game.
Dude, I'm not trying to troll, I'm just interested in knowing if I need to spend hours to get to some actual good sandbox play or if my suspicion as a burnt out MMO player is true and this is just like all the rest with some better crafting or PVP or whatever they define sandbox as....
You need to spend hours in any game to get to whatever they advertise their game as.
Lets make something clear people, if you think you're going to play ANY mmo for 30 min, and then all of a sudden experience the best aspects of the game, then you are on crack.
AA is a form of MMORPG turing test, OP like many others did not pass. Not unusual, takes a certain type of player to recognize the more subtle qualities of the game, many will not find them.
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All I hear is "you need to spend lots of time!" "lots of time".. I don't have lots of time, and you all who are enjoying this game insist on insulting me instead of telling me how this game is better / differs from my experiences in other games with similar claims. I wanted to hear from fans of the game why to keep playing.. =(
4 years. 4 years people have been TRYING to explain what this game is and isnt. 4 years people have been saying it is not a sandbox because the first hour is linear. 4 years people have been trying to explain the game is only linear if you want it to be. 4 years people have saying once you hit 30th level in the quest line the whole game changes. 4 years people have been trying to explain you DONT have to quest to level. 4 years people have been telling people about this game and in 4 years people are STILL posting the same thing . 4 years.
I read some more people with similar complaints about 20 days ago and they had some more informative answers that say the game doesn't change THAT much later on. There is farming and trading but crafting doesn't matter that much, and questing is still most important, also the quest grind seems especially bad according to other's reactions. Thanks for your help (for those who actually tried to be helpful). This is headed for uninstall when I get home.
Originally posted by Proudsoul1 4 years. 4 years people have been TRYING to explain what this game is and isnt. 4 years people have been saying it is not a sandbox because the first hour is linear. 4 years people have been trying to explain the game is only linear if you want it to be. 4 years people have saying once you hit 30th level in the quest line the whole game changes. 4 years people have been trying to explain you DONT have to quest to level. 4 years people have been telling people about this game and in 4 years people are STILL posting the same thing . 4 years.
Holy crud, 4 years?
That doesn't mean people didn't just hear about it. I was at Walmart this morning and the cashier told me that Minecraft was coming out on the xbox today. I didn't know it wasn't on the XBox.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by Proudsoul1 4 years. 4 years people have been TRYING to explain what this game is and isnt. 4 years people have been saying it is not a sandbox because the first hour is linear. 4 years people have been trying to explain the game is only linear if you want it to be. 4 years people have saying once you hit 30th level in the quest line the whole game changes. 4 years people have been trying to explain you DONT have to quest to level. 4 years people have been telling people about this game and in 4 years people are STILL posting the same thing . 4 years.
So if I got to lvl 10 quick and wanted to get off the beaten path and level without questing and become an awesome crafter, merchant, support role, how do I do this?
Is all the crafted armor/ weapons / equipment better then what you find on drops/ quest rewards?
How important is skill compared to lvl and itemization in combat?
the game is a hand holder for the first part, then it's an open sandbox experiance afterwards. think of the first couple days playing the game as an elongated tutorial. It's worth the wait IMHO if you are planning on either subbing or having a clan that supports people who don't sub to gain the benefits of the sub.
in case the guy is trolling:
well played
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
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the game is a hand holder for the first part, then it's an open sandbox experiance afterwards. think of the first couple days playing the game as an elongated tutorial. It's worth the wait IMHO if you are planning on either subbing or having a clan that supports people who don't sub to gain the benefits of the sub.
in case the guy is trolling:
well played
hehe. Nice.
This is why I'm reading this particular forum. I want to know about this game and on occasion someone gives a genuinely good answer.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by Proudsoul1 4 years. 4 years people have been TRYING to explain what this game is and isnt. 4 years people have been saying it is not a sandbox because the first hour is linear. 4 years people have been trying to explain the game is only linear if you want it to be. 4 years people have saying once you hit 30th level in the quest line the whole game changes. 4 years people have been trying to explain you DONT have to quest to level. 4 years people have been telling people about this game and in 4 years people are STILL posting the same thing . 4 years.
So if I got to lvl 10 quick and wanted to get off the beaten path and level without questing and become an awesome crafter, merchant, support role, how do I do this?
Is all the crafted armor/ weapons / equipment better then what you find on drops/ quest rewards?
How important is skill compared to lvl and itemization in combat?
Is there territory control?
Thanks!
You're uninstalling the game, why ask?
This game is not about the questing. It will continue to give you quests forever if you keep taking them. Just like dailies in other games... it will never end.
The best stuff is crafted. Quest rewards are just that, quest rewards. Meant to be replaced in short order.
Step out into the level 30+ regions and discover for yourself how the game switches dramatically from a simple game of gather X quests to a game of survival whilst you explore the world.
PVP is what this game is designed around. For the first 30 levels, you're literally devoid of it... come level 30 zones, you get an entirely different game to play. If you're brave, head out before you're even the right level. The NPCs are not even worth worrying about... but the players, they are the ones who will make every day a quest for survival.
the game is a hand holder for the first part, then it's an open sandbox experiance afterwards. think of the first couple days playing the game as an elongated tutorial. It's worth the wait IMHO if you are planning on either subbing or having a clan that supports people who don't sub to gain the benefits of the sub.
in case the guy is trolling:
well played
What are some of your favorite sandbox features in this game?
How early can I get to those features? And how do it do it? Can I play after a certain point and totally say FU to the quests etc... and not be at a disadvantage to the other hand-holders?
Its far too linear for its own good early on. It is a sandbox for sure, but one that does start off I think on the wrong foot. I don't think its bad it directs you to get you into the game, but it goes a bit overboard to start and doesn't help to show its sandbox elements very well.
When I started I had all my crafts maxed, I picked all my skills without having any idea what they would be like, and began my trade runs/ open pvp? are you sure you dled the right game?
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Originally posted by JDis25 When I started I had all my crafts maxed, I picked all my skills without having any idea what they would be like, and began my trade runs/ open pvp? are you sure you dled the right game?
In the first 30 minutes?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Originally posted by Cliff1963 Are you trolling? Invest some more hours playing and then form an opinion. Your answers will probably be answered then. Just to be clear: I don't play AA, but with every other MMO: you can't tell what sort of game it is after 30 minutes of play.
I do think you could see if it is basically a themepark or sandbox, try 30 minutes in Eve or UO. You couldn't say if the game is good of course but AA is a themepark with some sandbox elements like the farms and and similar things. Nothing wrong with that at all and it doesn't make the game better or worse but it still wont make it a sandbox, even if the game do get a lot sandboxier once you reach levelcap.
I think OP should give the game a weekend, it is not a bad game once you reach 30. It deserves a weekend to decide if you like it. If the first half hour was all that mattered I would play very different games from what I actually play.
Like every other trash game that has been released lately, it will fade into oblivion pretty soon after a few sick people get their "fix". Will enjoy the P2W complains though.
So, get your popcorn and let's watch this one burn.
Originally posted by JDis25 When I started I had all my crafts maxed, I picked all my skills without having any idea what they would be like, and began my trade runs/ open pvp? are you sure you dled the right game?
In the first 30 minutes?
Haha no I kid, all these things take time. Keep in mind OP, this is an RPG which generally refers to some kind of time investment. In this case you have to PvE to level 30 for the most part. PvE = killing computer controlled enemies out in the world. This is so you develop your character and learn how to play your class choices, it also teaches you EVERY system in the game during these first 30 levels and there are MANY systems.
Consider the first 30 levels your crash course. I know this will suck for some people who want to get right into the action, but you will have a well understood scope of the game once you are done. You can honestly stop questing at level 20 if you really want to and just grind mobs or daily quests (which are just killing npcs) until 30. Then you can do basically whatever you want, mind you have to work for it. That is what makes it special when you actually get your house, ship, glider upgrades, gear, etc.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
I'm not here to advertise AA or beg for people to come play. Every MMO has different themes, styles, combat, crafting and progression. I would hope most of us know by now what we like in an MMO. It's not hard for me to figure out if a game is worthy of my time or money.
For instance, WoW is a very popular game, even 10 years after it launched it still has millions of subscribers. I personally can't stand it myself since the WotLK expansion, but guess what, I don't play it anymore.
As for game forums, I understand one reason why I would respond to a WoW thread, or why anyone who's played AA would respond to an AA thread. That reason being to debate or prevent the spread of propaganda or misleading information. Creating a thread with a title that says you played a game for 30 minutes and don't like it. Well, I'm afraid your words won't hold much merit as you didn't even play the game. There's 50 levels in the game, which are not hard to max out in. In fact, this is probably one of the easier MMO's to level up in.
Nothing forced you to quest in the beginning. You are more than welcome to venture off and ignore quests in AA, just like any other MMO. I'm not sure if you're aware though that questing is how you level up in most MMO's but maybe you prefer to wander around in high level areas and get mauled on, I don't know.
So please, come back to complain about AA when you have something to complain about that isn't an essential part of every MMO in existance.
Not to play being naive, but to me that title is a question and not really a statement.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
"the ultimate fantasy-sandbox" - Directly from the front page of their website lol
Before you can say it isn't that, you have to state what you think fantasy-sandbox is first, because if you're looking for a needle and don't even know what a needle is, you wouldn't even know one if you saw one.
oh no..do not fall into that trap of symantics.
I dont care what they call themselves, that game was not interesting and barely innovative.
I know you want to hit the point home that you don't like the game, but really, if he has no idea what a fantasy-sandbox is, how can he say it's not? Plus, if he states what he thinks it should be, it's far easier to tell him whether those elements exist or not than to guess what he thinks the game should be.
the problem is people get sucked into what is or is not a 'sandbox' the word 'sandbox' is just that its only a word. It ddoesnt change anything whateover about the game play of any given game.
If they call their game a sandbox then fine, great, have at it. Then I need a word for games like Eve, Wurm, Darkfall and Xyson because one thing is for sure, the approach to game play in those games are very different and no name applied to them is going to change that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Originally posted by Tyggs Installed. Logged in. Created Character. Saw naked female characters dancing under disco lights in the opening area. Logged out. Uninstalled.
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Ya, I don't see you trolling at all. Fans of games call it that if you aren't on their side of the fence.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Yes you are. You admitted u didn't even bother to search, a simple Google search would've helped you, but I guess that's too hard for you? Seriously you spent 30 minutes in game and already throwing insults and comparisons around?
And every other post you directly attack the game you are so called interested in. I wish they would ban and lock these threads already. It's getting old.
Edit: I'll help you out in the weird case you are naive and being honest. AA is not for you. It's a weird sandpark if you absolutely need some label to make a decision for you. It has some weird long tutorial that lasts up to levels 20s, but if you google the info you can start out on your own from level 5 and do whatever you want.
I do not like to use terms. If a game is fun, it's fun, and does not matter what genre it fits in. I had just as much fun in WoW as I did in Eve Online (before the massive griefing), and had just as much fun in Minecraft.
AA is more of a throwback to old MMOs, without the hard leveling part.
You need to spend hours in any game to get to whatever they advertise their game as.
Lets make something clear people, if you think you're going to play ANY mmo for 30 min, and then all of a sudden experience the best aspects of the game, then you are on crack.
AA is a form of MMORPG turing test, OP like many others did not pass. Not unusual, takes a certain type of player to recognize the more subtle qualities of the game, many will not find them.
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All I hear is "you need to spend lots of time!" "lots of time".. I don't have lots of time, and you all who are enjoying this game insist on insulting me instead of telling me how this game is better / differs from my experiences in other games with similar claims. I wanted to hear from fans of the game why to keep playing.. =(
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If you couldn't find 200 other posts about this very same topic op ....I wouldn't waste too much time trying to play a sandbox or sand park game
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Holy crud, 4 years?
That doesn't mean people didn't just hear about it.
I was at Walmart this morning and the cashier told me that Minecraft was coming out on the xbox today. I didn't know it wasn't on the XBox.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
So if I got to lvl 10 quick and wanted to get off the beaten path and level without questing and become an awesome crafter, merchant, support role, how do I do this?
Is all the crafted armor/ weapons / equipment better then what you find on drops/ quest rewards?
How important is skill compared to lvl and itemization in combat?
Is there territory control?
Thanks!
Founder and Lead developer of Factions. The complete fantasy sandbox survival MMO.
Factions indiedb Page (most up to date info) | Factions Website
in case the guy is not trolling.
the game is a hand holder for the first part, then it's an open sandbox experiance afterwards. think of the first couple days playing the game as an elongated tutorial. It's worth the wait IMHO if you are planning on either subbing or having a clan that supports people who don't sub to gain the benefits of the sub.
in case the guy is trolling:
well played
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
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hehe. Nice.
This is why I'm reading this particular forum. I want to know about this game and on occasion someone gives a genuinely good answer.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
You're uninstalling the game, why ask?
This game is not about the questing. It will continue to give you quests forever if you keep taking them. Just like dailies in other games... it will never end.
The best stuff is crafted. Quest rewards are just that, quest rewards. Meant to be replaced in short order.
Step out into the level 30+ regions and discover for yourself how the game switches dramatically from a simple game of gather X quests to a game of survival whilst you explore the world.
PVP is what this game is designed around. For the first 30 levels, you're literally devoid of it... come level 30 zones, you get an entirely different game to play. If you're brave, head out before you're even the right level. The NPCs are not even worth worrying about... but the players, they are the ones who will make every day a quest for survival.
What are some of your favorite sandbox features in this game?
How early can I get to those features? And how do it do it? Can I play after a certain point and totally say FU to the quests etc... and not be at a disadvantage to the other hand-holders?
Founder and Lead developer of Factions. The complete fantasy sandbox survival MMO.
Factions indiedb Page (most up to date info) | Factions Website
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
In the first 30 minutes?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I do think you could see if it is basically a themepark or sandbox, try 30 minutes in Eve or UO. You couldn't say if the game is good of course but AA is a themepark with some sandbox elements like the farms and and similar things. Nothing wrong with that at all and it doesn't make the game better or worse but it still wont make it a sandbox, even if the game do get a lot sandboxier once you reach levelcap.
I think OP should give the game a weekend, it is not a bad game once you reach 30. It deserves a weekend to decide if you like it. If the first half hour was all that mattered I would play very different games from what I actually play.
Like every other trash game that has been released lately, it will fade into oblivion pretty soon after a few sick people get their "fix". Will enjoy the P2W complains though.
So, get your popcorn and let's watch this one burn.
Haha no I kid, all these things take time. Keep in mind OP, this is an RPG which generally refers to some kind of time investment. In this case you have to PvE to level 30 for the most part. PvE = killing computer controlled enemies out in the world. This is so you develop your character and learn how to play your class choices, it also teaches you EVERY system in the game during these first 30 levels and there are MANY systems.
Consider the first 30 levels your crash course. I know this will suck for some people who want to get right into the action, but you will have a well understood scope of the game once you are done. You can honestly stop questing at level 20 if you really want to and just grind mobs or daily quests (which are just killing npcs) until 30. Then you can do basically whatever you want, mind you have to work for it. That is what makes it special when you actually get your house, ship, glider upgrades, gear, etc.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
Not to play being naive, but to me that title is a question and not really a statement.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
the problem is people get sucked into what is or is not a 'sandbox' the word 'sandbox' is just that its only a word. It ddoesnt change anything whateover about the game play of any given game.
If they call their game a sandbox then fine, great, have at it. Then I need a word for games like Eve, Wurm, Darkfall and Xyson because one thing is for sure, the approach to game play in those games are very different and no name applied to them is going to change that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
HA! I just spit on my monitor....
Liar.
The title of the Archeage site is "ArcheAge | The ultimate fantasy sandbox MMORPG from Trion and XLGames"
Seriously....why do you come and post a flat out lie?