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ArcheAge DDOS attack confirmed - Early Head Start woes

NobleNerdNobleNerd Member UncommonPosts: 759

Trion confirmed the DDOS attacks see link below for more details..... As a gamer we must be patient at this point.

http://www.pcgamesn.com/archeage/archeage-head-start-live-ddos-attack-means-its-not-all-smooth-sailing

I know from the previous DDOS attacks on other games it takes a while to recover and reduce the impact of such attacks. Unfortunately it has happened during a critical time for many gamers who purchased Head Start Founder Packs to be able to play 4 days early. Trion did state that they will have a form of compensation for those affected. 


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  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374

    Personaly i think the so called "DDOS" attack is just some excuse..

    Noone ever had any problems with it untill the open beta stress test.

    First they told us "comcast is doing maintenace" and later "we are being attack with DDOS"

    Both times the so called "DDOS" happend with a mass load of peeps on the server.

    DDOS is nasty but its 2014 there are easy was to counter it.

    It happened in Open Beta and now again.

    I think they need to upgrade their hardware.

    What i think is funny to is that it happens in the USA and EU.

     

    Its like somthing goes boom Aaah its a Terririst attack !

    (nah it just some dumb dude lighting a sigaret while using spraypaint)

     

    Website, glyph, 6 USA servers and 6 EU servers witch different IP addresses at the same time being DDOS'd.

    Must be the chineese since that takes a huge amout of power.

    They took paypall out and some others but that was just 1 server.

     


  • SuraknarSuraknar Member UncommonPosts: 852

    Interesting, thank you for news!

    I was affected by these I played yesterday and the game did not recognise me as Patron.

    Really interesting bugs, really! I did not know that someone from outside can affect internal functioning of the game servers and account status.

     

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  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374

    No that your account does not have Patron status is Trions foult not any DDOS attack.

    My Patron is working just fine.

    The problem was there 3 weeks ago and Trion failed to solve it.

    The fact that u dont have you founder's items in the mail is Trions foult to.

     

    what i found verry amusing to is that my patron status ends at 12-10-2014.

    Your not gonna tell me that the 4 day headstart i payed for gets deducted from my 1 month Patron status ?

     

     

     


  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    Originally posted by breadm1x

    what i found verry amusing to is that my patron status ends at 12-10-2014.

    Your not gonna tell me that the 4 day headstart i payed for gets deducted from my 1 month Patron status ?

    I want to take a look at ArcheAge, and had planned to wait until it actually launched and stabilized before I jumped at it.  An incident like this (cutting subscription time by the length of the head-start) doesn't look too good for the accounting practices of the company.  Nickles and dimes add up.  (I'm particularly fond of my nickles and dimes).

     

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  • HeretiqueHeretique Member RarePosts: 1,536

    At this point I don't believe a word TRION states, if you do the math you can tell if this was a DDOS attack there would be vital components being effected and not just the broken parts of the game that have been a problem for a bit now. I believe they oversold and are now trying to cope with the ramifications of this as their hardware is not up to par.

    Just stuff doesn't add up IMO.

    "We're closely monitoring the population of the servers and are considering adding more during Head Start. The reason we haven't yet is that there was an anticipated spike in population at the beginning of Head Start which is now subsiding."

    http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?41971-Scapes-ArcheAge-Head-Start-Known-Issues&p=465115#post465115

     

     

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857

    Yeah DDOS........Sure.

     

  • LerxstLerxst Member UncommonPosts: 648

    DDoS attacked don't ignore 4 months of beta and alpha feedback. DDoS attacks don't always happen at the precise time servers hit a certain capacity. DDoS attacks don't stack 3,000 players in a 3 hour long queue. DDoS attacks don't add or remove features from a finished game on a whim.

     

    99% of their problems have nothing to do with a DDoS attack. At this rate it's nothing more than blowing smoke.

  • PioneerStewPioneerStew Member Posts: 874
    So yet another moron gave another reason for those people in power to police the web? Well done you fucking idiot.  
  • PepeqPepeq Member UncommonPosts: 1,977
    Money well spent.
  • saurus123saurus123 Member UncommonPosts: 678

    it was ddos cused by playerd that hammer thier servers :D

    trion is known for bad servers

    same thing was in rift

  • SupaAPESupaAPE Member Posts: 100

    DDoSing a server from a supposed "AAA" company?

     

    This is not the 1990's anymore, and it sounds like BS from trion IMHO.

     

    Hope it gets sorted though!

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Was the "crime" reported to the officials?
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,097
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Was the "crime" reported to the officials?

    Who exactly polices the internet?  I am just wondering who they would call and report it to?

     

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Was the "crime" reported to the officials?

    Who exactly polices the internet?  I am just wondering who they would call and report it to?

     

    Good question.

    I tried to google cybercrime jurisdiction, but nothing definitive came back.

  • syntax42syntax42 Member UncommonPosts: 1,385
    Originally posted by breadm1x

    DDOS is nasty but its 2014 there are easy was to counter it.

    You can't "counter" a DDOS attack.  

    An explanation of a DDOS attack is needed.  First, a botnet is set up.  This means thousands of computers are infected with a dormant virus.  Next, a command is sent to those computers to start an attack with specific parameters.  The goal is to either overwhelm the bandwidth of the target, or overwhelm the capabilities (processor, network interface, drive speed, etc.) of the targeted server.  The traffic sent can be crafted to appear identical to legitimate traffic, so that it is nearly impossible to distinguish legitimate traffic from the attacking botnet.

    It is possible to increase bandwidth so that it becomes more and more difficult to obtain a botnet large enough to carry out the attack.  Due to that fact, it is easier to overwhelm a server with database queries or processing load.  The only way to mitigate that kind of attack is to add more hardware, and hardware on this kind of scale gets very expensive.

    Back to my original point:  you can't "counter" the attack.  That requires the ability to identify the attackers, which is nearly impossible.  Steps can be taken to reduce the effects of the attack, but the cost of doing so can be far more than a company is willing to spend.

     

    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Was the "crime" reported to the officials?

    Who are they going to report?  Your grandmother's computer is probably infected with a botnet virus, so are they going to report every IP that attacked them and put your grandmother in the FBI's hacker database?  It is nearly impossible to find out who is controlling the botnet due to the way it works.

     

     

    It could be a DDOS attack, or their servers could be overwhelmed.  It is impossible to know for sure and guessing or calling the company a liar won't get you into the game (or whatever you want) any faster.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by breadm1x

    Personaly i think the so called "DDOS" attack is just some excuse..

    Noone ever had any problems with it untill the open beta stress test.

    First they told us "comcast is doing maintenace" and later "we are being attack with DDOS"

    Both times the so called "DDOS" happend with a mass load of peeps on the server.

    DDOS is nasty but its 2014 there are easy was to counter it.

    It happened in Open Beta and now again.

    I think they need to upgrade their hardware.

    What i think is funny to is that it happens in the USA and EU.

    Its like somthing goes boom Aaah its a Terririst attack !

    (nah it just some dumb dude lighting a sigaret while using spraypaint)

    Website, glyph, 6 USA servers and 6 EU servers witch different IP addresses at the same time being DDOS'd.

    Must be the chineese since that takes a huge amout of power.

    They took paypall out and some others but that was just 1 server.

    DDOS attacks can be pretty annoying actually, and someone had been targeting NC soft the last month. Even made some problems for GW2 for a few hours and it got pretty good code and hardware compared to most MMOs.

    But using the word "Terrorist" for someone that makes an irritating few hours for gamers is rather an insult to people who get maimed or worse by actual terrorists. 

    Hackers can get pretty much resources if they are good, many rather secure sites have been hacked like Microsofts mailservers, Sonys custom database and Facebook for that matter.

    That a game get some issues during headstart and the first few days is just to be expected, no need to lie and invent anything there. This is hardly a conspiracy, just a few hackers who are upset on NC soft for some reason.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by saurus123

    it was ddos cused by playerd that hammer thier servers :D

    trion is known for bad servers

    same thing was in rift

    But they actually did confess that, so why would they lie now?

  • Aison2Aison2 Member CommonPosts: 624
    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Was the "crime" reported to the officials?

    Who exactly polices the internet?  I am just wondering who they would call and report it to?

     

     

    Pretty sure you call your local police. Though they might tell you to fuck off cause they won't get anyone sitting in china. If its inside EU still good chance.

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  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by syntax42
    Originally posted by breadm1x

    DDOS is nasty but its 2014 there are easy was to counter it.

    You can't "counter" a DDOS attack.  

    An explanation of a DDOS attack is needed.  First, a botnet is set up.  This means thousands of computers are infected with a dormant virus.  Next, a command is sent to those computers to start an attack with specific parameters.  The goal is to either overwhelm the bandwidth of the target, or overwhelm the capabilities (processor, network interface, drive speed, etc.) of the targeted server.  The traffic sent can be crafted to appear identical to legitimate traffic, so that it is nearly impossible to distinguish legitimate traffic from the attacking botnet.

    It is possible to increase bandwidth so that it becomes more and more difficult to obtain a botnet large enough to carry out the attack.  Due to that fact, it is easier to overwhelm a server with database queries or processing load.  The only way to mitigate that kind of attack is to add more hardware, and hardware on this kind of scale gets very expensive.

    Back to my original point:  you can't "counter" the attack.  That requires the ability to identify the attackers, which is nearly impossible.  Steps can be taken to reduce the effects of the attack, but the cost of doing so can be far more than a company is willing to spend.

     

    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Was the "crime" reported to the officials?

    Who are they going to report?  Your grandmother's computer is probably infected with a botnet virus, so are they going to report every IP that attacked them and put your grandmother in the FBI's hacker database?  It is nearly impossible to find out who is controlling the botnet due to the way it works.

     

     

    It could be a DDOS attack, or their servers could be overwhelmed.  It is impossible to know for sure and guessing or calling the company a liar won't get you into the game (or whatever you want) any faster.

    It's not who they report, it's TO who they report. That's why it's called an investigation.

  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,857
    Originally posted by Aison2
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by GeezerGamer
    Was the "crime" reported to the officials?

    Who exactly polices the internet?  I am just wondering who they would call and report it to?

     

     

    Pretty sure you call your local police. Though they might tell you to fuck off cause they won't get anyone sitting in china. If its inside EU still good chance.

    Companies will generally report such crimes since they have business impacts, they do it as a formality more than anything else. For compliance and accountability and what not. They don't generally expect to catch the perpetrators, but they need to be able to explain on record what happened and when. But I doubt this case was reported. Because I doubt there was a crime committed.

    I mean, sure, it's not a crime not to report a crime, so they don't HAVE to report it if they don't want to, but I can't imagine they'd release a public statement pertaining to a major business impact if there was a crime involved and it wasn't reported.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Zenimax is behind this.  They are the only one out the three that didn't get hit! image
  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    Wow.  From what I've been reading, it sounds like they are having a myriad of problems over there right now.
  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Member RarePosts: 14,247
    Originally posted by breadm1x

    Personaly i think the so called "DDOS" attack is just some excuse..

    Noone ever had any problems with it untill the open beta stress test.

    First they told us "comcast is doing maintenace" and later "we are being attack with DDOS"

    Both times the so called "DDOS" happend with a mass load of peeps on the server.

    DDOS is nasty but its 2014 there are easy was to counter it.

    It happened in Open Beta and now again.

    I think they need to upgrade their hardware.

    What i think is funny to is that it happens in the USA and EU.

     

    Its like somthing goes boom Aaah its a Terririst attack !

    (nah it just some dumb dude lighting a sigaret while using spraypaint)

     

     

    Yeah... CCP, SOE and Trion are all just making this whole "DDoS" thing up as a cover up whenever they are.... well, doing whatever nefarious/incompetent/lazy/capitalistic/etc things they are doing that they don't want the players to know about. It's not at all possible - or even probable - that there are dicks on the internet with nothing better to do than ruin everyone else's fun. 

     

    Wag the Dog, man! Wag the Dog!

     

    "DDOS is nasty but its 2014 there are easy was to counter it."

    Just two lines of code!

     

     

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  • SeelinnikoiSeelinnikoi Member RarePosts: 1,360
    So now when MMO launchs are borked and ill prepared, we call it DDOS attack?
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  • AstrylAstryl Member UncommonPosts: 3

    lol glad i didn't pay now.

    I'll play when it's free.

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