1st off no actual self respecting hacker would attack a game that would be free to play
2nd the only hackers that might ....are those attached to hollywood and think about other games that are not free to play
this is big money despite what you people think and lest we forget that sony was involved in rootkiting and you have warner brotehrs tied ot them in a gmae studio in canada that got pinched for using illegal slave labour to MAKE 3d SPECIAL AFFECTS AND ANIMATIONS
and having been a hacker since i was 12 , i am 44 , i'd be happy to give all the free to play games some testing and tips...its the least i can do to give back....
i find it sickening someone anyone would attack a game that will be free to people and theo only ones i can think of that would again i say do this have some stake in bots and other crap activity that ruin games....remember it was not long ago they turfed a ton a bots and if the botters are having a hard time getting back in.....this might be there try to get a better secured game out of the way as ddos attacks are very hard to mitigate....if it were me ....i'd start publishing lists of the proxies and ips you know are being used....let your community help you....heck it might even help "authorities"
being disabled with a broken back this is my entertainment ....i'm not rich but i have supported dozens of games that i enjoyed ....
DDOS is nasty but its 2014 there are easy was to counter it.
You can't "counter" a DDOS attack.
An explanation of a DDOS attack is needed. First, a botnet is set up. This means thousands of computers are infected with a dormant virus. Next, a command is sent to those computers to start an attack with specific parameters. The goal is to either overwhelm the bandwidth of the target, or overwhelm the capabilities (processor, network interface, drive speed, etc.) of the targeted server. The traffic sent can be crafted to appear identical to legitimate traffic, so that it is nearly impossible to distinguish legitimate traffic from the attacking botnet.
It is possible to increase bandwidth so that it becomes more and more difficult to obtain a botnet large enough to carry out the attack. Due to that fact, it is easier to overwhelm a server with database queries or processing load. The only way to mitigate that kind of attack is to add more hardware, and hardware on this kind of scale gets very expensive.
Back to my original point: you can't "counter" the attack. That requires the ability to identify the attackers, which is nearly impossible. Steps can be taken to reduce the effects of the attack, but the cost of doing so can be far more than a company is willing to spend.
Originally posted by GeezerGamer Was the "crime" reported to the officials?
Who are they going to report? Your grandmother's computer is probably infected with a botnet virus, so are they going to report every IP that attacked them and put your grandmother in the FBI's hacker database? It is nearly impossible to find out who is controlling the botnet due to the way it works.
It could be a DDOS attack, or their servers could be overwhelmed. It is impossible to know for sure and guessing or calling the company a liar won't get you into the game (or whatever you want) any faster.
so you have a bot net with a set of proxies .....( ip addies ) now that hammers away bytes of data and slows or stops service...
[mod edit]....what the botnet is doing is allowing this game to now know all the proxies that can be used and all that happens is they can be null routed upstream at a high spot in the isp chain ERGO the proxies do nothing....
YESSSS that takes time and logs an dproof and needs be done higher up the chain and then all services under said isp are then free to continue serivce.
WHAT i'd do if trion , is do the above and then the time down extend everything so all the founders and patrons get there fair due heck give em an extra day....
the botnetter could keep getting new lists a proxies but the reason it will eventually fizzle is there are not limitless proxies and the fbi in fact has millions of fake ones themsleves and there are millions of other honey pot ones by other agenices in the eu and such....
yesss some of us know those....but thats not the point...we don't share that and i'll say there are more honey pots then proxy ips by far.
fact is im older and not as active in "that" scene my injury has put myself in that spot of im just wanting to enjoy what i have left of life.....this agrivates me to hear someone would try and do not think its hard to stop...
and remember a botnet has to be controlled somewhere.....like i said let the community see the so called attack ips.....
[mod edit]...what the botnet is doing is allowing this game to now know all the proxies that can be used and all that happens is they can be null routed upstream at a high spot in the isp chain ERGO the proxies do nothing....
the botnetter could keep getting new lists a proxies but the reason it will eventually fizzle is there are not limitless proxies and the fbi in fact has millions of fake ones themsleves and there are millions of other honey pot ones by other agenices in the eu and such....
and remember a botnet has to be controlled somewhere.....like i said let the community see the so called attack ips.....
they will get stopped one way or other....
You don't know what you're talking about.
Re-read my explanation of how the DDOS attack works. The botnet (bunch of people's infected computers) receive a command, then those computers send the attack. There are no proxies involved to mask IPs or anything like that. You can't null-route them as you would be disconnecting a person's internet service. You can't easily identify them because the traffic they are sending looks like legitimate traffic and it comes from thousands of IPs.
Yes, the botnet has to be controlled. However, the control is often done through IRC which means the controller can easily mask their identity.
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Edit again: For those wondering, the FBI is responsible for investigating most cyber-crimes in the United States. They can't do much about DDOS attacks, though.
I wouldn't doubt the DDOS attack story. WoW got DDOS attacked and crashed. If anyone has the bandwidth to counter a DDOS attack it's Blizzard lol.
The only reason I'm not playing this game is the wallet gouging. You have to pay for a Sub + LP + Archeum to get the full game...and I thought Neverwinter was gouging lol.
Why would someone DDO a F2P MMORPG on release in this day and age? There used to be a time when people who did these kinds of things had some semblance of intelligence.
Some customers buy your game and try to log in at the same time, but your servers can't handle it. Technically this is a DDOS attack so I guess they're not lying.
And here I thought the "megaserver" spin was clever.
There is a large solar flare storm hitting earth tonight which may be effecting them as well. It has been causing problems with Comcast and communication sattelites.
Originally posted by Rynet There is a large solar flare storm hitting earth tonight which may be effecting them as well. It has been causing problems with Comcast and communication sattelites.
Really? I am sorry but that is a complete BS excuse.
One particular IT dept. I once worked for used that as a running joke to explain unknown issues. "Must be sunspots"
Originally posted by Rynet There is a large solar flare storm hitting earth tonight which may be effecting them as well. It has been causing problems with Comcast and communication sattelites.
Really? I am sorry but that is a complete BS excuse.
One particular IT dept. I once worked for used that as a running joke to explain unknown issues. "Must be sunspots"
Well, Geezer, hopefully they'll hire something other than amateurs so that when there is actual solar interference, they'll know what to do. Two sources of disruption are a) solar flares and b) alignment of the sun and satellites. The former is rare, but the burst of energy does affect transmission, not only of internet broadcasts, but phone and GPS data, too. The latter is far more predictable and, iirc, happens twice a year for very brief moments.
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I am almost certain there is no DDOS attack... They are just trying not to look like conplete dumbasses with this debacle.... I mean, this is the Founders Headstart, they had the exact number of sales, aka players... how come their servers can't handle the number of players they knew would come to play... I guess you can technically say it's a DDOS attack... by the players trying to connect to poor servers ?
Just several month ago, ALL EA Origin servers were DDOSed, could not play SWTOR for 2 days straight because of it. As a patron i was behind 3000 players in server queue. DDOS was over in 6 hours but the impact of that attacked lingered for 2 days, a lot of players account got this message : "your subscriber time has run out, you are now a free player". i had to call EAWare to fix this mess, i had 120 days in my sub. good thing they refunded all 120 days, did not deduct the 2 days i lost. I am sure Trion will work it out too and i am also sure this attack was due to the massive negativity all over the internet spread by cheap bastards who could not afford the archeum founder pack.
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So is Glyph being DDOSed or Archeage? because if that is why I can't log in to glyph - error 2025 - thats has to be a record of longest DDOS attack or something. Since they have started using glyph I have not been able to play a rift account that I've had since beta, a defiance account that I've had since that release, I can't play trove which i paid for access to. So I will not be throwing any money at Archeage until I can log in to glyph and, at least, DOWNLOAD the game. Trion Worlds is still insistent that it is the user's internet connection and aside from reformatting my hard drive, I have tried everything to fix this on my end. I will not be reformatting, a game is not worth that to me, even if it would fix the problem.
Back to my original point: you can't "counter" the attack. That requires the ability to identify the attackers, which is nearly impossible. Steps can be taken to reduce the effects of the attack, but the cost of doing so can be far more than a company is willing to spend.
It is much easier to stop or prevent DDOS attack on MMO servers that do the same for e.g. Amazon store. And Amazon has never been DDOS-ed.
MMO needs only to recognize tens of thousands of valid customers using proper MMO client from random requests from zombie PCs. You can change IP of the servers, blacklist zombie PC IP addresses on firewall, etc. Every DDOS attack on other MMO is usually beign dealt with within hours.
IMO ArcheAge / Trion problems are of their own making - game design encouraged everyone to log in as early as possible after launch, otherwise their 150$ investment will be lost - and network infrastructure wasn't designed to handle it.
DDOS is just an excuse - esp. that they had many months of alpha / beta - with essentially finished game - to prepare for any launch problems.
Haha, confirmed? Oh please. They can tell us whatever it is they want because we have no way of knowing.
It's TRION, I remember back when Rift was in its launching phases and whenever shit hit the fans (passwords stolen, hello?) they'd come up with some bs excuse. They only recanted when an amateur player found out what was really going on and let the whole world know.
I don't know about yesterday but today there most certainly was a massive DDOS attack. There's a website where you can get a graphic representation of packet traffic, http://map.ipviking.com/, and many in our guild were watching it happen between around 1 to 2:30 pacific today. It seemed to be coming primarily from the Ukraine, Vietnam and China.
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I want to say its a DDOs attack but for every beta event really? There was always some "DDOs attack" or so Trion claimed the day of or before a beta event went live and now the head start. That's a lot coincidences.
Back to my original point: you can't "counter" the attack. That requires the ability to identify the attackers, which is nearly impossible. Steps can be taken to reduce the effects of the attack, but the cost of doing so can be far more than a company is willing to spend.
It is much easier to stop or prevent DDOS attack on MMO servers that do the same for e.g. Amazon store. And Amazon has never been DDOS-ed.
I highly doubt that. Every big business gets targeted. Amazon has the network capacity to mitigate a very large DDOS attack so it is never noticed by customers.
Originally posted by Rynet There is a large solar flare storm hitting earth tonight which may be effecting them as well. It has been causing problems with Comcast and communication sattelites.
Really? I am sorry but that is a complete BS excuse.
One particular IT dept. I once worked for used that as a running joke to explain unknown issues. "Must be sunspots"
Well, Geezer, hopefully they'll hire something other than amateurs so that when there is actual solar interference, they'll know what to do. Two sources of disruption are a) solar flares and b) alignment of the sun and satellites. The former is rare, but the burst of energy does affect transmission, not only of internet broadcasts, but phone and GPS data, too. The latter is far more predictable and, iirc, happens twice a year for very brief moments.
Did you see the part where I said "running joke"? I think you misunderstood my post. No one really thought it was due to Solar Flares.
At this point I don't believe a word TRION states, if you do the math you can tell if this was a DDOS attack there would be vital components being effected and not just the broken parts of the game that have been a problem for a bit now. I believe they oversold and are now trying to cope with the ramifications of this as their hardware is not up to par.
Just stuff doesn't add up IMO.
"We're closely monitoring the population of the servers and are considering adding more during Head Start. The reason we haven't yet is that there was an anticipated spike in population at the beginning of Head Start which is now subsiding."
Originally posted by Rynet There is a large solar flare storm hitting earth tonight which may be effecting them as well. It has been causing problems with Comcast and communication sattelites.
Really? I am sorry but that is a complete BS excuse.
One particular IT dept. I once worked for used that as a running joke to explain unknown issues. "Must be sunspots"
Well, Geezer, hopefully they'll hire something other than amateurs so that when there is actual solar interference, they'll know what to do. Two sources of disruption are a) solar flares and b) alignment of the sun and satellites. The former is rare, but the burst of energy does affect transmission, not only of internet broadcasts, but phone and GPS data, too. The latter is far more predictable and, iirc, happens twice a year for very brief moments.
Did you see the part where I said "running joke"? I think you misunderstood my post. No one really thought it was due to Solar Flares.
I think you missed the part where solar interference is a real and documented occurrence.
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Originally posted by Distopia To those "almost certain" there is no DDOS attack. sounds to me like that's what you want the truth to be, regardless of what the actual truth is.
The tinfoilhattery and armchair ITing are strong in this thread.
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Originally posted by Rynet There is a large solar flare storm hitting earth tonight which may be effecting them as well. It has been causing problems with Comcast and communication sattelites.
Really? I am sorry but that is a complete BS excuse.
One particular IT dept. I once worked for used that as a running joke to explain unknown issues. "Must be sunspots"
Well, Geezer, hopefully they'll hire something other than amateurs so that when there is actual solar interference, they'll know what to do. Two sources of disruption are a) solar flares and b) alignment of the sun and satellites. The former is rare, but the burst of energy does affect transmission, not only of internet broadcasts, but phone and GPS data, too. The latter is far more predictable and, iirc, happens twice a year for very brief moments.
Did you see the part where I said "running joke"? I think you misunderstood my post. No one really thought it was due to Solar Flares.
I think you missed the part where solar interference is a real and documented occurrence.
So you are saying that this solar storm was a significant contributor in AA's launch issues?
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1st off no actual self respecting hacker would attack a game that would be free to play
2nd the only hackers that might ....are those attached to hollywood and think about other games that are not free to play
this is big money despite what you people think and lest we forget that sony was involved in rootkiting and you have warner brotehrs tied ot them in a gmae studio in canada that got pinched for using illegal slave labour to MAKE 3d SPECIAL AFFECTS AND ANIMATIONS
and having been a hacker since i was 12 , i am 44 , i'd be happy to give all the free to play games some testing and tips...its the least i can do to give back....
i find it sickening someone anyone would attack a game that will be free to people and theo only ones i can think of that would again i say do this have some stake in bots and other crap activity that ruin games....remember it was not long ago they turfed a ton a bots and if the botters are having a hard time getting back in.....this might be there try to get a better secured game out of the way as ddos attacks are very hard to mitigate....if it were me ....i'd start publishing lists of the proxies and ips you know are being used....let your community help you....heck it might even help "authorities"
being disabled with a broken back this is my entertainment ....i'm not rich but i have supported dozens of games that i enjoyed ....
so you have a bot net with a set of proxies .....( ip addies ) now that hammers away bytes of data and slows or stops service...
[mod edit]....what the botnet is doing is allowing this game to now know all the proxies that can be used and all that happens is they can be null routed upstream at a high spot in the isp chain ERGO the proxies do nothing....
YESSSS that takes time and logs an dproof and needs be done higher up the chain and then all services under said isp are then free to continue serivce.
WHAT i'd do if trion , is do the above and then the time down extend everything so all the founders and patrons get there fair due heck give em an extra day....
the botnetter could keep getting new lists a proxies but the reason it will eventually fizzle is there are not limitless proxies and the fbi in fact has millions of fake ones themsleves and there are millions of other honey pot ones by other agenices in the eu and such....
yesss some of us know those....but thats not the point...we don't share that and i'll say there are more honey pots then proxy ips by far.
fact is im older and not as active in "that" scene my injury has put myself in that spot of im just wanting to enjoy what i have left of life.....this agrivates me to hear someone would try and do not think its hard to stop...
and remember a botnet has to be controlled somewhere.....like i said let the community see the so called attack ips.....
they will get stopped one way or other....
You don't know what you're talking about.
Re-read my explanation of how the DDOS attack works. The botnet (bunch of people's infected computers) receive a command, then those computers send the attack. There are no proxies involved to mask IPs or anything like that. You can't null-route them as you would be disconnecting a person's internet service. You can't easily identify them because the traffic they are sending looks like legitimate traffic and it comes from thousands of IPs.
Yes, the botnet has to be controlled. However, the control is often done through IRC which means the controller can easily mask their identity.
Edit: [mod edit]
Edit again: For those wondering, the FBI is responsible for investigating most cyber-crimes in the United States. They can't do much about DDOS attacks, though.
I wouldn't doubt the DDOS attack story. WoW got DDOS attacked and crashed. If anyone has the bandwidth to counter a DDOS attack it's Blizzard lol.
The only reason I'm not playing this game is the wallet gouging. You have to pay for a Sub + LP + Archeum to get the full game...and I thought Neverwinter was gouging lol.
Haha, I love it...
Some customers buy your game and try to log in at the same time, but your servers can't handle it. Technically this is a DDOS attack so I guess they're not lying.
And here I thought the "megaserver" spin was clever.
One particular IT dept. I once worked for used that as a running joke to explain unknown issues. "Must be sunspots"
Well, Geezer, hopefully they'll hire something other than amateurs so that when there is actual solar interference, they'll know what to do. Two sources of disruption are a) solar flares and b) alignment of the sun and satellites. The former is rare, but the burst of energy does affect transmission, not only of internet broadcasts, but phone and GPS data, too. The latter is far more predictable and, iirc, happens twice a year for very brief moments.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I am almost certain there is no DDOS attack... They are just trying not to look like conplete dumbasses with this debacle.... I mean, this is the Founders Headstart, they had the exact number of sales, aka players... how come their servers can't handle the number of players they knew would come to play... I guess you can technically say it's a DDOS attack... by the players trying to connect to poor servers ?
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It is much easier to stop or prevent DDOS attack on MMO servers that do the same for e.g. Amazon store. And Amazon has never been DDOS-ed.
MMO needs only to recognize tens of thousands of valid customers using proper MMO client from random requests from zombie PCs. You can change IP of the servers, blacklist zombie PC IP addresses on firewall, etc. Every DDOS attack on other MMO is usually beign dealt with within hours.
IMO ArcheAge / Trion problems are of their own making - game design encouraged everyone to log in as early as possible after launch, otherwise their 150$ investment will be lost - and network infrastructure wasn't designed to handle it.
DDOS is just an excuse - esp. that they had many months of alpha / beta - with essentially finished game - to prepare for any launch problems.
Haha, confirmed? Oh please. They can tell us whatever it is they want because we have no way of knowing.
It's TRION, I remember back when Rift was in its launching phases and whenever shit hit the fans (passwords stolen, hello?) they'd come up with some bs excuse. They only recanted when an amateur player found out what was really going on and let the whole world know.
I don't know about yesterday but today there most certainly was a massive DDOS attack. There's a website where you can get a graphic representation of packet traffic, http://map.ipviking.com/, and many in our guild were watching it happen between around 1 to 2:30 pacific today. It seemed to be coming primarily from the Ukraine, Vietnam and China.
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I highly doubt that. Every big business gets targeted. Amazon has the network capacity to mitigate a very large DDOS attack so it is never noticed by customers.
Just wanted to thank you for the chuckle, I got the joke.
BORING!!!!
Wake up, ddos attacks are not Bigfoot.
They happen, they happen a LOT.
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Did you see the part where I said "running joke"? I think you misunderstood my post. No one really thought it was due to Solar Flares.
Yeah. They just try to use the recent DDOS attacks on PSN, XBOX Live and SOE as an excuse to cover up their incompetence.
If TRION was really hit by DDOS, all their games, websites and services would be down and not just Glyph and ArcheAge!
So I call horse "poo" on this too.
I think you missed the part where solar interference is a real and documented occurrence.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
The tinfoilhattery and armchair ITing are strong in this thread.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
So you are saying that this solar storm was a significant contributor in AA's launch issues?