Originally posted by Rynet There is a large solar flare storm hitting earth tonight which may be effecting them as well. It has been causing problems with Comcast and communication sattelites.
Really? I am sorry but that is a complete BS excuse.
One particular IT dept. I once worked for used that as a running joke to explain unknown issues. "Must be sunspots"
Well, Geezer, hopefully they'll hire something other than amateurs so that when there is actual solar interference, they'll know what to do. Two sources of disruption are a) solar flares and b) alignment of the sun and satellites. The former is rare, but the burst of energy does affect transmission, not only of internet broadcasts, but phone and GPS data, too. The latter is far more predictable and, iirc, happens twice a year for very brief moments.
Did you see the part where I said "running joke"? I think you misunderstood my post. No one really thought it was due to Solar Flares.
I think you missed the part where solar interference is a real and documented occurrence.
So you are saying that this solar storm was a significant contributor in AA's launch issues?
When and where did I suggest that at all? Are you on some kind of "shift the goal posts because I need to be right" mission here?
Temp said solar interference was BS, you said your IT buddies use it as a running joke. I explained it was real and why.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
They might be incompetent, but i don't they would mess with their other titles for the shake of AA, as Rift is also under ddos.
It's gotten really out of hand lately. I think it's going to take a major, public arrest and conviction before it slows down, too.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I am almost certain there is no DDOS attack... They are just trying not to look like conplete dumbasses with this debacle.... I mean, this is the Founders Headstart, they had the exact number of sales, aka players... how come their servers can't handle the number of players they knew would come to play... I guess you can technically say it's a DDOS attack... by the players trying to connect to poor servers ?
How do explain both EU and US dataceneters and ALL games going down??
How do you explain a tweet from a known hacktivist group claiming responsibility for DDOS on Trion???
Because you ARE making stuff up sir.
Where? And who?
If you do a quick search on DDOS attack TRION, then they have been DDOS attacked every single week the last month. lol.
And every single report on this, is when there was a major game event going on, like beta weekend, Open Beta weekend and now Head start, etc.
Coincidence?
I am not saying it's not possible, but to see it happening to TRION this often the last month, does raise an eyebrow.
Maybe just maybe, the DDOS attack is just the players themselves and their sheer number trying to login. And if all login servers are shared across all their games (which isn't uncommon practice), then yeah. /shrug
The fact remains, that their websites and forums were unaffected, while With other "real" DDOS events, everything went down, like with SOE during the simultaneous DDOS attack on PSN and XBOX Live.
SOE's websites, forums, game servers... all were targeted and down. As that's how these DDOS events take Place. They target the company as a whole, not just a game. Black out the entire Company!
When and where did I suggest that at all? Are you on some kind of "shift the goal posts because I need to be right" mission here?
Temp said solar interference was BS, you said your IT buddies use it as a running joke. I explained it was real and why.
The reason I asked is because I didn't understand your 1st comment and why you called people amateurs. I worked in a hospital at the time, and the joke stemmed from IT having to explain to the hospital administration why their telemetry systems were acting up. The incident happened before my time there, but the joke persisted. They weren't my "buddies" it was one of the IT managers who would bring this joke up at least once a week during the weekly change control meetings. It was a dumb joke, but it was born out of an actual event. So I don't think anyone was questioning their reality.
Maybe just maybe, the DDOS attack is just the players themselves and their sheer number trying to login. And if all login servers are shared across all their games (which isn't uncommon practice), then yeah. /shrug
Rift was down due to the attack, so was not what your saying about sheer number trying to login for arche age.
Maybe just maybe, the DDOS attack is just the players themselves and their sheer number trying to login. And if all login servers are shared across all their games (which isn't uncommon practice), then yeah. /shrug
Rift was down due to the attack, so was not what your saying about sheer number trying to login for arche age.
Read my post again. If ArcheAge and RIFT are sharing the same login servers. Then Yeah, they will affect eachother.
It's not uncommon for games to share the same login servers under the same company/Publisher. They share the account system as well, which is directly tied to the login servers as well.
Maybe just maybe, the DDOS attack is just the players themselves and their sheer number trying to login. And if all login servers are shared across all their games (which isn't uncommon practice), then yeah. /shrug
Rift was down due to the attack, so was not what your saying about sheer number trying to login for arche age.
Read my post again. If ArcheAge and RIFT are sharing the same login servers. Then Yeah, they will affect eachother.
It's not uncommon for games to share the same login servers under the same company/Publisher. They share the account system as well, which is directly tied to the login servers as well.
And you honestly believe, there are that many player bought founder packs for headstart?
How could trion underestimate the playerbase that will join headstart, when they have a clear number of sold founder packs?
Aion has started with a lot more servers, and there were times with 10-20 hour queue.
And i can tell you, there is no company has ever been more incompetent than NC is.
The fact, most game companies were targeted recently. Why would Trion be exception.
And here is a quote from the lizards.
"Game networks have a lot more people who will rage and give us attention. Banks, however, have employees, and I guess they have customers, but most of them aren't the Twitter type of folk"
Though i didn't find any information regarding their claim on this particular attack (as somone mentioned it was them).
Not that i think it's related, but recently many wstern anime site is also under frequent ddos attacks.
These DDOS attacks have been going on for a while now, and they've been targetting the main server clusters for ALL online games. These aren't limited to AA, but also GW2, WoW / Blizzard, League of Legends, SMITE, and a number of other games have been repeatedly getting DDOSed lately.
I know some of the hackers responsible were caught, but only after stupidly threatening a Sony executive and then posting about it on the internet. I'm not sure if these will ever stop, but they are having a negative impact on online games.
Maybe just maybe, the DDOS attack is just the players themselves and their sheer number trying to login. And if all login servers are shared across all their games (which isn't uncommon practice), then yeah. /shrug
Rift was down due to the attack, so was not what your saying about sheer number trying to login for arche age.
Read my post again. If ArcheAge and RIFT are sharing the same login servers. Then Yeah, they will affect eachother.
It's not uncommon for games to share the same login servers under the same company/Publisher. They share the account system as well, which is directly tied to the login servers as well.
Ok so your saying for months trion using same login servers, with the sharing number alpha players that was playing for months then all the beta invite they gave we should had server problem then, but we didn't on the rift side.
Unless Trion uses servers from the 90s, DDOS attacks haven't been effective to take down a server for years. I'm not playing ArcheAge, but this seems like an excuse to me.
Someone from SOE explained it a few years ago, if a DDOS attack were to happen, the server would be able to stop it in a matter of seconds, algorithm can easily figure out the attack pattern and block the IP range it's coming from, and it happens automatically, it doesn't need human oversight.
Unless Trion uses servers from the 90s, DDOS attacks haven't been effective to take down a server for years. I'm not playing ArcheAge, but this seems like an excuse to me.
Someone from SOE explained it a few years ago, if a DDOS attack were to happen, the server would be able to stop it in a matter of seconds, algorithm can easily figure out the attack pattern and block the IP range it's coming from, and it happens automatically, it doesn't need human oversight.
Where your facts? that servers a from the 90s, and ddos been hitting many big top mmo a few weeks ago and took down there server pretty easy.
Unless Trion uses servers from the 90s, DDOS attacks haven't been effective to take down a server for years. I'm not playing ArcheAge, but this seems like an excuse to me.
Someone from SOE explained it a few years ago, if a DDOS attack were to happen, the server would be able to stop it in a matter of seconds, algorithm can easily figure out the attack pattern and block the IP range it's coming from, and it happens automatically, it doesn't need human oversight.
Where your facts? that servers a from the 90s, and ddos been hitting many big top mmo a few weeks ago and took down there server pretty easy.
A few months ago PSO2 Japan was attacked and caused all sorts of problems. Okay so SEGA's servers might not be top notch but I'm sure they are better than servers from the 90's.
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I know from the previous DDOS attacks on other games it takes a while to recover and reduce the impact of such attacks. Unfortunately it has happened during a critical time for many gamers who purchased Head Start Founder Packs to be able to play 4 days early. Trion did state that they will have a form of compensation for those affected.
While I do not play the game or I am not a fan of this game, I would not wish this on anyone looking forward to play this or any game. I have been victimized by a DDOS attack. The sad thing is the fix to avoid this is relatively simple. Once it happens though, you must deal with the situation. I hope the situation is resolved soon and you all can't get back into playing the game you enjoy.
As a group, maybe we can have some sympathy for these guys. I think all of us can relate and hate when we want to play a game but can't.
Unless Trion uses servers from the 90s, DDOS attacks haven't been effective to take down a server for years. I'm not playing ArcheAge, but this seems like an excuse to me.
Someone from SOE explained it a few years ago, if a DDOS attack were to happen, the server would be able to stop it in a matter of seconds, algorithm can easily figure out the attack pattern and block the IP range it's coming from, and it happens automatically, it doesn't need human oversight.
Where your facts? that servers a from the 90s, and ddos been hitting many big top mmo a few weeks ago and took down there server pretty easy.
A few months ago PSO2 Japan was attacked and caused all sorts of problems. Okay so SEGA's servers might not be top notch but I'm sure they are better than servers from the 90's.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
Go google servers from the 90s you'll see that none of server back them will even run any the mmo's that are out even trion, bring me better facts that if they are running old type of servers as for now you'll just saying thing with out backing it out. and IF you read the link i posted, you'll see it's trion not only one that get attacks.
But seem to me now that sega servers are better then blizzard, roit, sony and trions that your saying as they got ddos they most be running 90s! server that can't hold maybe 10 people at a time if you'll see what they are.
They are just using the "DDOS OMG WTF" as an excuse for their shitty servers and poor ability to handle things.
it's not a ddos can you show me the fact that it was not?, nope no one got none that and just saying one thing and a other just like how other are posting just show the facts! will help your case a lot.
Personaly i think the so called "DDOS" attack is just some excuse..
Noone ever had any problems with it untill the open beta stress test.
Well, if you wanted to really "hurt" a game, would it be better to attack during a trial beta so that they can take steps to mitigate those attacks (or at least warn people, get the authorities involved, etc) or during the time when everyone who had spent their hard earned money and "expected" a smooth head start experience?
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They are just using the "DDOS OMG WTF" as an excuse for their shitty servers and poor ability to handle things.
it's not a ddos can you show me the fact that it was not?, nope no one got none that and just saying one thing and a other just like how other are posting just show the facts! will help your case a lot.
Just ignore it, he/she clearly haven't read any previous post.
Once you get slammed with 100Gb+ of traffic there is no algorithm that will stop it in seconds - please educate yourself on basic DDOS principles before making such laughable claims.
Try to bring down any serious Internet company (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc) with 100 Gbit of traffic, and they woudn't even notice that they're being attacked.
The difference is that Trion / XL already have your 150$ - so they don't have a reason to care too much about quality of service. They're probably already planning marketing campaign for next MMO.
Once you get slammed with 100Gb+ of traffic there is no algorithm that will stop it in seconds - please educate yourself on basic DDOS principles before making such laughable claims.
Try to bring down any serious Internet company (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc) with 100 Gbit of traffic, and they woudn't even notice that they're being attacked.
The difference is that Trion / XL already have your 150$ - so they don't have a reason to care too much about quality of service. They're probably already planning marketing campaign for next MMO.
What kind of comparison is that...Comparing Trion's infrastructure to Google? They are servers that run a game...
I think this might be the first time a publisher has tried to blame DDOS. I can see all new launches blaming denial of service now. You can't prove otherwise and it takes a ton of heat off of them. Everyone feels sorry for the server that gets his with the DoS.
They're in heavy damage control spin mode. Just 21 hours ago they reiterated they were still under DDoS (not our fault - sympathy please). Just 40 minutes ago "currently checking into why a few of you are having login issues." One thing Trion is great at is PR and spin.
So, are you suggesting they are deliberately mucking up their own network to look like a DDOS attack and subsequently created an imaginary hacker group to claim responsibility?
Once you get slammed with 100Gb+ of traffic there is no algorithm that will stop it in seconds - please educate yourself on basic DDOS principles before making such laughable claims.
Try to bring down any serious Internet company (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc) with 100 Gbit of traffic, and they woudn't even notice that they're being attacked.
The difference is that Trion / XL already have your 150$ - so they don't have a reason to care too much about quality of service. They're probably already planning marketing campaign for next MMO.
Ok, let's break this down:
Amazon: ~ 90 billion net worth
Google: ~ 350 billion
Microsoft ~ ~ 230 billion
Yahoo ~ 35 billion
I don't think Trion comes anywhere near that. Not really a fair comparison.
I think this might be the first time a publisher has tried to blame DDOS. I can see all new launches blaming denial of service now. You can't prove otherwise and it takes a ton of heat off of them. Everyone feels sorry for the server that gets his with the DoS.
They're in heavy damage control spin mode. Just 21 hours ago they reiterated they were still under DDoS (not our fault - sympathy please). Just 40 minutes ago "currently checking into why a few of you are having login issues." One thing Trion is great at is PR and spin.
So, are you suggesting they are deliberately mucking up their own network to look like a DDOS attack and subsequently created an imaginary hacker group to claim responsibility?
Nope. That isn't what I suggested at all. That is what you just suggested.
Originally posted by DMKano Are you seriously comparing companies that are 100 times bigger to Trion??? Not even Riot and Blizzard have 100Gb worth of capacity. The biggest DDOS attack was 400Gbps - no game company on earth can handle that currently. You handle DDOS in 2 ways - massive connectivity to upstream providers and global distribution. Google is an example of such company - huge global presence and massive connectivity. You can ddos parts of but can't ever bring them down.
MMO companies are much smaller than Internet heavyweights - that's true. But I've seen indie MMOs that experienced DDOS, asked players for few hours of patience, and solved the problem together with their ISP providers - and offered few days of compensation for everyone impacted by the attack.
Single high end network card from Intel is able to handle 100 Gbit. Single entry point server can have multple such cards installed - and filter out any unwanted traffic. From technical point of view small scale DDOS is a solved problem - unless you somehow redirect 5% of global Internet traffic to the single server.
All I'm asking for is that Trion should solve the issue in a professional manner - apologize, offer "founders" few free weeks of patron status, and few days headstart on any new AA server.
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Ah, well...
http://www.incgamers.com/2014/08/league-of-legends-gw2-and-more-suffer-ddos-attacks
http://wow.joystiq.com/2014/08/25/world-of-warcraft-suffers-ddos-attack-bomb-threat-issued-to-soe/
They might be incompetent, but i don't they would mess with their other titles for the shake of AA, as Rift is also under ddos.
When and where did I suggest that at all? Are you on some kind of "shift the goal posts because I need to be right" mission here?
Temp said solar interference was BS, you said your IT buddies use it as a running joke. I explained it was real and why.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It's gotten really out of hand lately. I think it's going to take a major, public arrest and conviction before it slows down, too.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Where? And who?
If you do a quick search on DDOS attack TRION, then they have been DDOS attacked every single week the last month. lol.
And every single report on this, is when there was a major game event going on, like beta weekend, Open Beta weekend and now Head start, etc.
Coincidence?
I am not saying it's not possible, but to see it happening to TRION this often the last month, does raise an eyebrow.
Maybe just maybe, the DDOS attack is just the players themselves and their sheer number trying to login. And if all login servers are shared across all their games (which isn't uncommon practice), then yeah. /shrug
The fact remains, that their websites and forums were unaffected, while With other "real" DDOS events, everything went down, like with SOE during the simultaneous DDOS attack on PSN and XBOX Live.
SOE's websites, forums, game servers... all were targeted and down. As that's how these DDOS events take Place. They target the company as a whole, not just a game. Black out the entire Company!
The reason I asked is because I didn't understand your 1st comment and why you called people amateurs. I worked in a hospital at the time, and the joke stemmed from IT having to explain to the hospital administration why their telemetry systems were acting up. The incident happened before my time there, but the joke persisted. They weren't my "buddies" it was one of the IT managers who would bring this joke up at least once a week during the weekly change control meetings. It was a dumb joke, but it was born out of an actual event. So I don't think anyone was questioning their reality.
Rift was down due to the attack, so was not what your saying about sheer number trying to login for arche age.
Read my post again. If ArcheAge and RIFT are sharing the same login servers. Then Yeah, they will affect eachother.
It's not uncommon for games to share the same login servers under the same company/Publisher. They share the account system as well, which is directly tied to the login servers as well.
And you honestly believe, there are that many player bought founder packs for headstart?
How could trion underestimate the playerbase that will join headstart, when they have a clear number of sold founder packs?
Aion has started with a lot more servers, and there were times with 10-20 hour queue.
And i can tell you, there is no company has ever been more incompetent than NC is.
The fact, most game companies were targeted recently. Why would Trion be exception.
And here is a quote from the lizards.
"Game networks have a lot more people who will rage and give us attention. Banks, however, have employees, and I guess they have customers, but most of them aren't the Twitter type of folk"
Though i didn't find any information regarding their claim on this particular attack (as somone mentioned it was them).
Not that i think it's related, but recently many wstern anime site is also under frequent ddos attacks.
This is just getting ridiculous.
These DDOS attacks have been going on for a while now, and they've been targetting the main server clusters for ALL online games. These aren't limited to AA, but also GW2, WoW / Blizzard, League of Legends, SMITE, and a number of other games have been repeatedly getting DDOSed lately.
I know some of the hackers responsible were caught, but only after stupidly threatening a Sony executive and then posting about it on the internet. I'm not sure if these will ever stop, but they are having a negative impact on online games.
Ok so your saying for months trion using same login servers, with the sharing number alpha players that was playing for months then all the beta invite they gave we should had server problem then, but we didn't on the rift side.
Unless Trion uses servers from the 90s, DDOS attacks haven't been effective to take down a server for years. I'm not playing ArcheAge, but this seems like an excuse to me.
Someone from SOE explained it a few years ago, if a DDOS attack were to happen, the server would be able to stop it in a matter of seconds, algorithm can easily figure out the attack pattern and block the IP range it's coming from, and it happens automatically, it doesn't need human oversight.
Where your facts? that servers a from the 90s, and ddos been hitting many big top mmo a few weeks ago and took down there server pretty easy.
this should help on some of my facts
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/psn-blizzard-riot-ddos-attack/
A few months ago PSO2 Japan was attacked and caused all sorts of problems. Okay so SEGA's servers might not be top notch but I'm sure they are better than servers from the 90's.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
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While I do not play the game or I am not a fan of this game, I would not wish this on anyone looking forward to play this or any game. I have been victimized by a DDOS attack. The sad thing is the fix to avoid this is relatively simple. Once it happens though, you must deal with the situation. I hope the situation is resolved soon and you all can't get back into playing the game you enjoy.
As a group, maybe we can have some sympathy for these guys. I think all of us can relate and hate when we want to play a game but can't.
Go google servers from the 90s you'll see that none of server back them will even run any the mmo's that are out even trion, bring me better facts that if they are running old type of servers as for now you'll just saying thing with out backing it out. and IF you read the link i posted, you'll see it's trion not only one that get attacks.
But seem to me now that sega servers are better then blizzard, roit, sony and trions that your saying as they got ddos they most be running 90s! server that can't hold maybe 10 people at a time if you'll see what they are.
It's not a ddos.
They are just using the "DDOS OMG WTF" as an excuse for their shitty servers and poor ability to handle things.
it's not a ddos can you show me the fact that it was not?, nope no one got none that and just saying one thing and a other just like how other are posting just show the facts! will help your case a lot.
Well, if you wanted to really "hurt" a game, would it be better to attack during a trial beta so that they can take steps to mitigate those attacks (or at least warn people, get the authorities involved, etc) or during the time when everyone who had spent their hard earned money and "expected" a smooth head start experience?
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Just ignore it, he/she clearly haven't read any previous post.
Try to bring down any serious Internet company (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc) with 100 Gbit of traffic, and they woudn't even notice that they're being attacked.
The difference is that Trion / XL already have your 150$ - so they don't have a reason to care too much about quality of service. They're probably already planning marketing campaign for next MMO.
What kind of comparison is that...Comparing Trion's infrastructure to Google? They are servers that run a game...
So, are you suggesting they are deliberately mucking up their own network to look like a DDOS attack and subsequently created an imaginary hacker group to claim responsibility?
Ok, let's break this down:
Amazon: ~ 90 billion net worth
Google: ~ 350 billion
Microsoft ~ ~ 230 billion
Yahoo ~ 35 billion
I don't think Trion comes anywhere near that. Not really a fair comparison.
Did you write the above statement in yellow?
MMO companies are much smaller than Internet heavyweights - that's true. But I've seen indie MMOs that experienced DDOS, asked players for few hours of patience, and solved the problem together with their ISP providers - and offered few days of compensation for everyone impacted by the attack.
Single high end network card from Intel is able to handle 100 Gbit. Single entry point server can have multple such cards installed - and filter out any unwanted traffic. From technical point of view small scale DDOS is a solved problem - unless you somehow redirect 5% of global Internet traffic to the single server.
All I'm asking for is that Trion should solve the issue in a professional manner - apologize, offer "founders" few free weeks of patron status, and few days headstart on any new AA server.