Star Citizen - 60 million $ in crowdfunding

Erillion

As the number of SC backers is still increasing (atm 642.982 .... many of them customers since 2012) ......

do not let reality derail your line of thought w.r.t. CIG having a bad customer retention policy.

IMHO them getting rid of certain troublemakers by permabanning is for me a sign of being smart ! Hell YEAH !

 

Have fun

SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

As the number of SC backers is still increasing ... do not let reality derail your line of thought w.r.t. CGI having a bad customer retention policy.

IMHO them getting rid of certain troublemakers by permabanning is for me a sign of being smart ! Hell YEAH !

 

Have fun

Because its so difficult to make that # of SC backers raising right? From 10 new accounts, 9 are just duplicate accounts of the old guys like you spending all their days doing whatever is necessary to make marketing for them, saying whatever is necessary too.

Their limited-sales? All the time an average of just 5k people buying (usually less) as can be easily noticed by their own charts.

"Do not let the reality derail your line of thought" sounded almost like a big irony.

The reality that despite a supposed exponential growing in the # of backers, it continues to be the same old fellows in its huge majority the people talking in their forums, and barely raising in any proportion to the # of "new" backers (quotes in purpose) that appears.

The same is valid for votes on polls and watchers of shows and livestreams (that includes repetitions and people that are non-backers watching sometimes).

And the same is valid for the game itself, that despite all those exponentially more thousands coming, later, with a game to play, they come and do not play, or give to the game, any try, as the in-game stats shown (not even the old fellow backers too, since in its majority they ever played).

All these 5x times more people than the E:D population, that came after E:D gameplay already available also always refused to back that game, despite that game been more complete.

Because all people, that comes later (and because they came later, hardly are CR fans - by default) just love to give money to CR, and do not ask for anything and do not play the game too. Obvious trend (in the Wonderland country).

Yeah... do not let reality derail your line of thought

If, as you claim, there are only 5K people that have given RSI all $60M of their funding, why are you trying to save the world-at-large from the evils of SC ?

 

If you continue this argument along the same lines, you will eventually "prove" that RSI is in fact a figment of our collective imagination. There's no $60M, there's no backers and Chris Roberts died in a plane crash 7 years ago...

asdar

I'm totally ignoring the riot going on all around me, and going back to replying to the OP.

I think it's great that they have the money to build the game they want. It looks like it has everything I've always wanted since I started playing video games.

Other games have had pieces, but to get everything seemed impossible. SC seems to be going for everything, and if it didn't take a lot of money then someone would already have done it.

1v1 space, multi-crew ship battles, ship boarding, trade with trade ships, planetary combat, FPS, a full up economy, this is the things that I want.

Eve is one tiny corner of a real game, CoD is another, WWII fighter sims is another and SWG was another, and Borderlands another. This game is trying to put them all together. I'm not even sure I have a clue where I'd start, but it seems like Roberts does. The three modules I've seen look spot on good.

I'm not saying they should need 60 Mill, but I'm glad they have it.

jcrg99

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

If, as you claim, there are only 5K people that have given RSI all $60M of their funding, why are you trying to save the world-at-large from the evils of SC ?

 

Nope... I did not say that 5k people made those 60m. 

These 60m, from my understanding and long-term analysis of the project comes from the hands of less than 100k people, where the huge minority spent thousands and thousands of dollars on it, along these years, while another tiny group went to a level of 1k-2k dollars (summing these 2 groups barely passing through 15k people) and all the rest (of 85k-90k people remaining - less than that) paid for 1 package only, low-entry pkg, Aurora's in its majority.

And yes. I am been optimistic here. 

And I am not suprised that the # of backers did not appear in the Book of Records (as it should if their # displayed in those counters were accurate)... just the money appeared, despite # of people and money detailed in the case of the Kickstarter record, very similar to the CIG category, displayed just in the previous page of that book.

I am  not suprised at all.

Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

Because its so difficult to make that # of SC backers raising right? From 10 new accounts, 9 are just duplicate accounts of the old guys like you spending all their days doing whatever is necessary to make marketing for them, saying whatever is necessary too.

--> Lemme see. I have one account. I have one SC ship (Constellation). I have one Jumppoint magazine subscriber add-on. So much for your 10 account old guys theory.

--> .... lots of conjecture without proof following below ... cut for the purpose of brevity ....

And the same is valid for the game itself, that despite all those exponentially more thousands coming, later, with a game to play, they come and do not play, or give to the game, any try, as the in-game stats shown (not even the old fellow backers too, since in its majority they ever played).

--> If you could access the official SC forums (which ... well... you cannot, cause you have been permabanned ;-) you will see many many people posting that they want to play the FINAL, COMPLETE game (at least a feature-complete Beta-Version) and are not interested in not-feature-complete-alpha-testing. And that they will happily wait until Beta or Final game comes. That is why there are less people flying at the moment - a well known fact with well known reasons.

... E:D, that is more praised in general by the media, as a reality, not a "dream for the future". Odd. 

--> in all media that I see both E:D and SC are highly praised. Judging by article length, there are usually some 2-3 times more pages for SC than E:D.  A typical, verifyable example would be the "Gamestar" magazine

--> http://www.gamestar.de/

--> .... lots more conjecture without proof following below ... cut for the purpose of brevity ....

--> Have fun

--> PS:  Definition of "Access"  = post in forums, read (all) forums. Everyone can read the open forums. Not everyone can see the subscriber forum "The Den" or post to it.

 

Erillion

Originally posted by asdar

I'm totally ignoring the riot going on all around me, and going back to replying to the OP.

I think it's great that they have the money to build the game they want. It looks like it has everything I've always wanted since I started playing video games.

Other games have had pieces, but to get everything seemed impossible. SC seems to be going for everything, and if it didn't take a lot of money then someone would already have done it.

1v1 space, multi-crew ship battles, ship boarding, trade with trade ships, planetary combat, FPS, a full up economy, this is the things that I want.

Eve is one tiny corner of a real game, CoD is another, WWII fighter sims is another and SWG was another, and Borderlands another. This game is trying to put them all together. I'm not even sure I have a clue where I'd start, but it seems like Roberts does. The three modules I've seen look spot on good.

I'm not saying they should need 60 Mill, but I'm glad they have it.

 

Hello Asdar,

well said. It is this aspect that fascinates me most with the Star Citizen project. It is a "Gesamtkunstwerk" in German, a "total work of art"  combining many facets into a whole that is more than the sum of its parts.

There may be technically/grafically better games in each individual sub-category, but Star Citizen brings them all together for an all-emcompassing experience.

Have fun

Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

Nope... I did not say that 5k people made those 60m. 

These 60m, from my understanding and long-term analysis of the project comes from the hands of less than 100k people, where the huge minority spent thousands and thousands of dollars on it, along these years, while another tiny group went to a level of 1k-2k dollars (summing these 2 groups barely passing through 15k people) and all the rest (of 85k-90k people remaining - less than that) paid for 1 package only, low-entry pkg, Aurora's in its majority.

And yes. I am been optimistic here. 

And I am not suprised that the # of backers did not appear in the Book of Records (as it should if their # displayed in those counters were accurate)... just the money appeared, despite # of people and money detailed in the case of the Kickstarter record, very similar to the CIG category, displayed just in the previous page of that book.

I am  not suprised at all.

Lets do some math.

650 k people  times 45 $ (game plus alpha access) = almost 30 M$

If SOME of those bought a bigger ship than the Aurora (like I did) and/or bought a subscriber ticket (for Jumppoint magazine and subscriber special goodies .. like I did ) and/or bought a T-shirt (like I did ... and you did, according to your post ;-) an average spending of 93 $ can be calculated  (61 m$ divided by 650k backers). Which sounds quite realistic to me.

I am sure there ARE some gamers that spend thousands of dollars on SC. And I THANK THEM FOR IT ! Because they help building  one of my favorite game projects. More power to them !  Won't make me personally buy more ships.

 

W.r.t. to the Guiness book .. NONE of the many Kickstarter projects mentioned on this page has the number of backers mentioned.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/2015/preview/files/assets/basic-html/page17.html

Thats IMHO an editorial decision by the Guiness guys, NOT part of a crazy conspiracy devised by Sandi of CIG ....

 

Have fun

 

 

PS:

21 more backers in the last hour alone ;-) .....643.003 now

 

PPS:

About Guiness book (continued)

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/2015/preview/files/assets/basic-html/page16.html

Page 16 also mentions crowd funding.  2/3 of the projects on THAT page ALSO dont have number of backers mentioned. 

SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

If, as you claim, there are only 5K people that have given RSI all $60M of their funding, why are you trying to save the world-at-large from the evils of SC ?

 

Nope... I did not say that 5k people made those 60m. 

These 60m, from my understanding and long-term analysis of the project comes from the hands of less than 100k people, where the huge minority spent thousands and thousands of dollars on it, along these years, while another tiny group went to a level of 1k-2k dollars (summing these 2 groups barely passing through 15k people) and all the rest (of 85k-90k people remaining - less than that) paid for 1 package only, low-entry pkg, Aurora's in its majority.

And yes. I am been optimistic here. 

And I am not suprised that the # of backers did not appear in the Book of Records (as it should if their # displayed in those counters were accurate)... just the money appeared, despite # of people and money detailed in the case of the Kickstarter record, very similar to the CIG category, displayed just in the previous page of that book.

I am  not suprised at all.

What does it matter where the money comes from ?

 

In the case of most AAA MMO's, the development capital comes from only a tiny handful of sources. Nobody ever even mentions it or cares who provided the money.

 

Who cares if RSI got $1M from 500K backers and $59M from 1 other backer ? They have $60M, that's what's important, because that pays for game development. Unless of course you're now going to claim that they DON'T have any money and it's all lies ?

 

Earlier you said that you did believe they would be delivering a game eventually, yet you continue to accuse them of scamming people. So what exactly is all your crying about ?

jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

And the same is valid for the game itself, that despite all those exponentially more thousands coming, later, with a game to play, they come and do not play, or give to the game, any try, as the in-game stats shown (not even the old fellow backers too, since in its majority they ever played).

--> If you could access the official SC forums (which ... well... you cannot, cause you have been permabanned ;-) you will see many many people posting that they want to play the FINAL, COMPLETE game (at least a feature-complete Beta-Version) and are not interested in not-feature-complete-alpha-testing. And that they will happily wait until Beta or Final game comes. That is why there are less people flying at the moment - a well known fact with well known reasons.

... E:D, that is more praised in general by the media, as a reality, not a "dream for the future". Odd. 

--> in all media that I see both E:D and SC are highly praised. Judging by article length, there are usually some 2-3 times more pages for SC than E:D.  A typical, verifyable example would be the "Gamestar" magazine

--> http://www.gamestar.de/

--> .... lots more conjecture without proof following below ... cut for the purpose of brevity ....

--> Have fun

 

Heh. I actually can access the forums, my fellow friend. How could I have brought the Ben Lesnick's answer and others or even read that, If I couldn't as you claimed. You can read the forums there, as a non-backer. It seems that you are a follower that does not know too much about what you follow.

And for your generic claims of "many many people" there, I made my homework and double checked how much are those "many many"... Heh. Good luck to find something near of 1k (in the more popular moments) there.

Then you get a tiny % of that, trying to say whatever is necessary to try to justify the fact why people would not play the game earlier (and they are hardly honest in their opinions, they just "make up" arguments to try to defend CIG actually). You will see a very common attitude of "don't say this here"... "if you want to talk about this, let's talk in private" and so on...

And notice that all these people, in its majority, are earlier earlier earlier backers, CR fans, that spend their days there from the beginning. You will see some suckpuppets, that are easily noticed as some old backer using another account to 'agree with himself'. Another big irony, since I am usually accused of that, for the guys who actually do that all the time

And how you gather the opinions of people that do not give opinions, about why they do not play the game and just pay for it? I wonder what is this magic tool that you have. Some way to pass through the Veil? Because you know... all these "new" backers apparently are spirits of the veil, not even "demons" that tries to come to humans world all the time, assuming bodies, humans, elfs, mages or animals/trees... just those "good spirits" that stay there, not interested to come to the other side. 

Articles?

The usual 2-3 more pages on SC articles are fights, my friend. In the E:D articles there are not really too much to fight against, except by some recent CR fanboys, hating that "threat", that low-budget game that is able to show much more effectiveness than the multi-million dollar "dream", appearing in their articles to try to bad mouth E:D with arguments that varies between poor to non-sense. Even CR have been appealing to that in one of his recent interviews, trying to say that he is ahed on "vision"... heh ... "ahead on vision"

And it's common to find articles talking bad things or been ironic about the CIG money grabbing scheme and their delays, cultish behavior of their public, etc, while you won't find these kind for E:D. In the own CIG forums is common those white-knights followers of articles publicizing threads to bad mouth PC Gamer, Gamespot, IGN even Gamestar that you mentioned (strongly bashed when presented a more realistic schedule while ago, that was denied by Ben Lesnick in the forums, just to be confirmed by CR and the writer as true later LoL), or any magazine that dares to be a little bit ironic or openly criticize the CIG marketing approach. But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

 

 

jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

Nope... I did not say that 5k people made those 60m. 

These 60m, from my understanding and long-term analysis of the project comes from the hands of less than 100k people, where the huge minority spent thousands and thousands of dollars on it, along these years, while another tiny group went to a level of 1k-2k dollars (summing these 2 groups barely passing through 15k people) and all the rest (of 85k-90k people remaining - less than that) paid for 1 package only, low-entry pkg, Aurora's in its majority.

And yes. I am been optimistic here. 

And I am not suprised that the # of backers did not appear in the Book of Records (as it should if their # displayed in those counters were accurate)... just the money appeared, despite # of people and money detailed in the case of the Kickstarter record, very similar to the CIG category, displayed just in the previous page of that book.

I am  not suprised at all.

Lets do some math.

650 k people  times 45 $ (game plus alpha access) = almost 30 M$

If SOME of those bought a bigger ship than the Aurora (like I did) and/or bought a subscriber ticket (for Jumppoint magazine and subscriber special goodies .. like I did ) and/or bought a T-shirt (like I did ... and you did, according to your post ;-) an average spending of 93 $ can be calculated  (61 m$ divided by 650k backers). Which sounds quite realistic to me.

I am sure there ARE some gamers that spend thousands of dollars on SC. And I THANK THEM FOR IT ! Because they help building  one of my favorite game projects. More power to them !  Won't make me personally buy more ships.

 

W.r.t. to the Guiness book .. NONE of the many Kickstarter projects mentioned on this page has the number of backers mentioned.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/2015/preview/files/assets/basic-html/page17.html

Thats an editorial decision by the Guiness guys, NOT part of a crazy conspiracy devised by Sandi of CIG ....

 

Have fun

I am not even going to comment and go further with your out-of-basis calculations. My own were made by looking to the project and through their charts in how they grow in a long-term study, not yours of "let's gets whatever number out of reality and divide by x".

And about the Guiness Book.. Editoral decision? So, you know now their Editorial decisions now... It's curious that such "editorial decision" was valid only for the page 17, not for the page 16, that basically talked about the same "kind" of records (related to crowdfunding).

LoL

 

Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

--> IMHO Yes ;-)

--> Have fun

jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

--> IMHO Yes ;-)

--> Have fun

As if people did not know yet that you are just a CIG marketing boy that will say whatever is necessary to try to hide the true to people... anyway...

Here's a few of my imaginations:

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-weeks-highs-and-lows-in-pc-gaming-10/

http://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-future

http://www.tentonhammer.com/opinions/the-cult-of-star-citizen

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/124159/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/142569/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/188015/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/18503/

 

See? I made that in a couple of minutes. I definitely can find more. Anyone can.

have fun

SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

--> IMHO Yes ;-)

--> Have fun

As if people did not know yet that you are just a CIG marketing boy that will say whatever is necessary to try to hide the true to people... anyway...

Here's a few of my imaginations:

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-weeks-highs-and-lows-in-pc-gaming-10/

http://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-future

http://www.tentonhammer.com/opinions/the-cult-of-star-citizen

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/124159/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/142569/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/188015/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/18503/

 

See? I made that in a couple of minutes. I definitely can find more. Anyone can.

have fun

The famous and successful are continuously criticized and run down by those who are envious of their achievements. It's quite normal human behavior to try and negate someone else's achievements to compensate for your own lack of any.

jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

About Guiness book (continued)

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/2015/preview/files/assets/basic-html/page16.html

Page 16 also mentions crowd funding.  2/3 of the projects on THAT page ALSO dont have number of backers mentioned. 

Oh! Now you admit that your "editorial" crap excuse is bs, by your own answer above... 

So, why they are not mentioned? From the others? Because they are not records... you know... Book of Records, they refer to records, not whatever information that does not represent a record. That's why some have mentioned and some not. And in the case of SC, it is not mentioned because they did not beat the record (but if it was to be considered the stats that they shown in their front page, in # of backers, even if you got only the initial numbers, if they were true, they WOULD BE a record... but CIG, heh... was not able to prove the # of backers to Book of Records... that's why the number is not there).

And from a marketing perspective, investors/partnership respects, in case of Game industry, # of people is much more important than # of dollars my friend. So, definitely CIG would make sure that such number was displayed there, if they were able to prove that as a truly number... which unfortunately for you, they can't, because Spirits of the Veil are not counted as people.

Mensur

It would be great if sandi could reply to this post..maybe ill link this forum thread on the SC forums hehe

 

man all hell would break loose..and i would be perma banned

jcrg99

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

--> IMHO Yes ;-)

--> Have fun

As if people did not know yet that you are just a CIG marketing boy that will say whatever is necessary to try to hide the true to people... anyway...

Here's a few of my imaginations:

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-weeks-highs-and-lows-in-pc-gaming-10/

http://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-future

http://www.tentonhammer.com/opinions/the-cult-of-star-citizen

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/124159/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/142569/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/188015/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/18503/

 

See? I made that in a couple of minutes. I definitely can find more. Anyone can.

have fun

The famous and successful are continuously criticized and run down by those who are envious of their achievements. It's quite normal human behavior to try and negate someone else's achievements to compensate for your own lack of any.

Yeah... Poor Eletronic Arts, Microsoft, Consoles, Frontier and facebook/tablet games, and even those criticized magazines above, by the CIG fans and even members of the CIG Staff...

Following your logic, CR definitely is an envious person, as well as the entire, but tiny, group of his white-knights, in a higher level than even any of all these others "envious" people.

LoL

"It's quite normal human behavior to try and negate someone else's achievements to compensate for your own lack of any."

Keep that underlined in mind when looking to the constant CR marketing speech, from other members of his original staff and from their white-knights... Keep that in mind when looking to how Star Citizen was advertised.

LoL

Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-weeks-highs-and-lows-in-pc-gaming-10/

--> "The difference is that Elite feels like a whole project, while Star Citizen seems fragmented. The Cloud Imperium team are doing amazing things with the small details, but it's hard to discern how it'll all translate into a full project."

--> Hmm, Elite being in feature-complete Beta 3 and SC being in non-feature-complete-pre-alpha may have something to do with that.

http://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-future

--> I like that one. A pro vs con  dialogue.

--> Also contains things like this:     "....Really, SC’s development cycle hasn’t been that much different from any other game in regards to problems they face, pushing back dates, etc. The difference here that is miffing some people is that people are seeing the entire development process of a major title from start to finish, with an almost unprecedented level of transparency. If you’re looking at it from the surface, it may look like SC has insurmountable problems, but when you get down to brass tacks, it’s like any other game. Where most studios have the opportunity to hide the drama and major issues of development, CIG has to expose almost their entire process. It’s a shocking image for those whom might not be accustomed to it...."

http://www.tentonhammer.com/opinions/the-cult-of-star-citizen

-->   Interesting remark by the author of the article :   "I want to preface this by saying a lot of writers here at Ten Ton hammer truly enjoy Star Citizen and some have even bought into it, however I hold a very strong and different opinion." 

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/124159/

--> A gem. Thank you for that. In that authors own words:

--> "....On a more personal note: Chris Roberts when asked to go through the entire schedule was answering my questions as best he could at that point in time. He was trying to be as open and forthcoming as possible. The amount of access given to the community and to the press by the developers here is unparalleled for a project of this size. The reason why publishers have very strict control over information of this nature is exactly because they want to make sure that no "unrest" gets stirred up by prematurely releasing information. I would hate if my piece had any part in "proving" that it is indeed wiser to keep a tighter lid on the flow of information. So let me say again, what I said at the end of my article: I left for Boston being sceptic about StarCitizen because to me it was a F2P-game with no game to speak of yet raking in millions and done by somebody who had been out of game development for a decade. But the team assembled at CI, the dynamic between Erin and Chris Roberts, the open-ness demonstrated at every level and the degree to which Chris Roberts is totally immersed in this project (so much so that he couldn't stop bugfixing and responding to fans when he was in front of my camera ) really made me believe they can pull this off and more importantly that they are as commited to the game as they say they are. At this stage of the development that is probably as good a prognosis as possible...."

--> The rest below is basically personal opinion by certain people in forum posts, not magazine articles. They are entitled to their own personal opinion. 

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/142569/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/188015/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/18503/

 

 

Have fun

 

SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

About Guiness book (continued)

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/2015/preview/files/assets/basic-html/page16.html

Page 16 also mentions crowd funding.  2/3 of the projects on THAT page ALSO dont have number of backers mentioned. 

Oh! Now you admit that your "editorial" crap excuse is bs, by your own answer above... 

So, why they are not mentioned? From the others? Because they are not records... you know... Book of Records, they refer to records, not whatever information that does not represent a record. That's why some have mentioned and some not. And in the case of SC, it is not mentioned because they did not beat the record (but if it was to be considered the stats that they shown in their front page, in # of backers, even if you got only the initial numbers, if they were true, they WOULD BE a record... but CIG, heh... was not able to prove the # of backers to Book of Records... that's why the number is not there).

And from a marketing perspective, investors/partnership respects, in case of Game industry, # of people is much more important than # of dollars my friend. So, definitely CIG would make sure that such number was displayed there, if they were able to prove that as a truly number... which unfortunately for you, they can't, because Spirits of the Veil are not counted as people.

So you're saying that RSI asked for a GBR entry and could prove that they did receive the funding to qualify as a record ?

We don't know if they also asked for a record entry i.r.o. number of backers, but because it's not there, you automatically assume that they tried and couldn't prove the number ? Ummm, OK...

Therefore, we should also assume that they failed to prove that they have the largest amount of purchasable ship models in any space game, because that record is not in the GBR either, right ?

 

And thanks for this link: http://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-futurehttp://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-future

I was expecting a dire condemnation, seeing as it was on The Mittani's website, yet it was a very balanced and fair discussion. Depending on your personal bias, that article "proves" that either side is right !

Erillion

The Mittani - being EVE Online's Goonswarm guru of meta-gaming - is always interested in the grey, shady, metagaming  aspects of games. That is why you will find quite a bit about the "SC Grey market" of LTI ship trading on his website. Overall its an interesting website and an interesting, albeit controversial person.

It would not surprise me to see him or someone like him gaining influence in SC too after game launch. Heck .. i would be very surprised if the Goonies would NOT send their hordes into Star Citizen ;-)

 

Have fun

 

PS: +27 more backers  (630.030) .... them ole boys must really be tireless in creating their 11th and 12th accounts ;-)

 

DocBrody

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

--> IMHO Yes ;-)

--> Have fun

As if people did not know yet that you are just a CIG marketing boy that will say whatever is necessary to try to hide the true to people... anyway...

Here's a few of my imaginations:

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-weeks-highs-and-lows-in-pc-gaming-10/

http://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-future

http://www.tentonhammer.com/opinions/the-cult-of-star-citizen

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/124159/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/142569/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/188015/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/18503/

 

See? I made that in a couple of minutes. I definitely can find more. Anyone can.

have fun

The famous and successful are continuously criticized and run down by those who are envious of their achievements. It's quite normal human behavior to try and negate someone else's achievements to compensate for your own lack of any.

Just read this and you know who you are dealing with here

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/192262/what-s-the-story-of-jcrg99

 

 

Erillion

Originally posted by DocBrody

Just read this and you know who you are dealing with here

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/192262/what-s-the-story-of-jcrg99

--> Thank you. That was very .... illuminating !

--> Have fun

jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-weeks-highs-and-lows-in-pc-gaming-10/

--> "The difference is that Elite feels like a whole project, while Star Citizen seems fragmented. The Cloud Imperium team are doing amazing things with the small details, but it's hard to discern how it'll all translate into a full project."

--> Hmm, Elite being in feature-complete Beta 3 and SC being in non-feature-complete-pre-alpha may have something to do with that. But look... SC should be on Beta by now too... so?

http://themittani.com/features/pointcounter-point-star-citizens-future

--> I like that one. A pro vs con  dialogue.

--> Also contains things like this:     "....Really, SC’s development cycle hasn’t been that much different from any other game in regards to problems they face, pushing back dates, etc. The difference here that is miffing some people is that people are seeing the entire development process of a major title from start to finish, with an almost unprecedented level of transparency. If you’re looking at it from the surface, it may look like SC has insurmountable problems, but when you get down to brass tacks, it’s like any other game. Where most studios have the opportunity to hide the drama and major issues of development, CIG has to expose almost their entire process. It’s a shocking image for those whom might not be accustomed to it...."

It’s only a “perceived” problem in the sense that it’s one obvious to anyone with eyes. A perfectly normal part of game development is cutting down the project’s scope to something a bit more practical. Games in development regularly contract from the original vision, as different features turn out to be impossible or unfeasible. Star Citizen is different in an unhealthy way: not only do they not have any incentive to pare down the game to actually release it ever, there’s a real push for them to add more and more and more. They’re locked into having something to show at every milestone, no matter how impractical. A fully-fledged first-person shooting mode? Linguists? Bonsai trees? Sure, why the hell not.

Star Citizen is pre-selling the design document, rather than a game that can actually be made. At the macro level, it’s the ridiculous space dogfighting/economics/first-person-shooter/MMO hybrid reminiscent of Derek Smart’s Battlecruiser trainwrecks. On the micro level, they’re making lots of shiny promises about specific ships for sale, with no context for what any of those will do.

Similarly, it’s going to be an MMORPG, with a CIG-run galaxy for players to compete for. But it’s also going to support player-run shards. CIG doesn’t seem to have any vision for how they’ll deal with splitting their own playerbase between game modes and different server-shards. Somehow, we’re to believe that the developers of Doritos Crash Course 2 and Monkey Quest are going to make an MMO that doesn’t need a subscription and somehow manages to populate the main servers despite giving everyone the tools to just play the game on their own private servers.

http://www.tentonhammer.com/opinions/the-cult-of-star-citizen

-->   Interesting remark by the author of the article :   "I want to preface this by saying a lot of writers here at Ten Ton hammer truly enjoy Star Citizen and some have even bought into it, however I hold a very strong and different opinion." 

Interest remark indeed. Wasn't just to try to avoid the usual harassment of the CIG cult by any criticism? Who knows... Interesting that you ignored the author's conclusion:

All I’m saying friends is that crowdfunding to make an idea come true is a good thing. Crowdfunding to buy imaginary space ships for a current imaginary game is bad. If you’re wondering if Star Citizen is a fraud, probably not. If you’re wondering if Star Citizen is going to be a good game? That’s a completely different question. Throwing more money at it at this junction probably won't affect the basic core gameplay much.

Anyway, spend your money how you like, but please don't let peer pressure make you feel like you need to buy into a game that doesn't exist. That's all.

 

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/124159/

--> A gem. Thank you for that. In that authors own words:

--> "....On a more personal note: Chris Roberts when asked to go through the entire schedule was answering my questions as best he could at that point in time. He was trying to be as open and forthcoming as possible. The amount of access given to the community and to the press by the developers here is unparalleled for a project of this size. The reason why publishers have very strict control over information of this nature is exactly because they want to make sure that no "unrest" gets stirred up by prematurely releasing information. I would hate if my piece had any part in "proving" that it is indeed wiser to keep a tighter lid on the flow of information. So let me say again, what I said at the end of my article: I left for Boston being sceptic about StarCitizen because to me it was a F2P-game with no game to speak of yet raking in millions and done by somebody who had been out of game development for a decade. But the team assembled at CI, the dynamic between Erin and Chris Roberts, the open-ness demonstrated at every level and the degree to which Chris Roberts is totally immersed in this project (so much so that he couldn't stop bugfixing and responding to fans when he was in front of my camera ) really made me believe they can pull this off and more importantly that they are as commited to the game as they say they are. At this stage of the development that is probably as good a prognosis as possible...."

--> The rest below is basically personal opinion by certain people in forum posts, not magazine articles. They are entitled to their own personal opinion. And it was funny when Ben Lesnick posted in the forums that the author was basically making up the things, just to be contradicted later by the author as he shown proof and later by the own Chris Roberts, after all, we know today that the author was seriously optimistic, just as he said. But there is no problem to know that Ben is a liar, right? Or even that CR lies a lot, just for the sake of getting new million milestones... Let's trust more money to people that were proven alraedy lying for money and using whatever argument that is in their hands to justify getting more money. So trustworthy people.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/142569/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/188015/

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/18503/

 

 

Have fun

 

 

SpottyGekko

Originally posted by DocBrody

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

--> IMHO Yes ;-)

--> Have fun

As if people did not know yet that you are just a CIG marketing boy that will say whatever is necessary to try to hide the true to people... anyway...

...

The famous and successful are continuously criticized and run down by those who are envious of their achievements. It's quite normal human behavior to try and negate someone else's achievements to compensate for your own lack of any.

Just read this and you know who you are dealing with here

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/192262/what-s-the-story-of-jcrg99

 

 

Wow, I suspected it was fairly serious due to the frequent and rambling posts, but I had no idea it was that bad ! 

For my own personal safety, I think I'll discontinue that dialogue now.

Thx for the heads-up. 

jcrg99

Originally posted by DocBrody

Just read this and you know who you are dealing with here

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/192262/what-s-the-story-of-jcrg99

 

 

Cool story brow. It's a shame that is a bunch of sensationalist lies of people that have their own interest to reinvent the reality to what fits with their own agenda.

And I definitely would not take as trustworthy a source of a guy like you, full of generic stories and blalantly lies, a guy who presumes that Star Citizen will easilly sell 22 million copies just after release, as you told in another thread.

But at this point, except by you and three of your regular friends, its clear to everyone else that visit these threads with who they are dealing when replying to you. You are just proving my point. Without proper ways to defend what cannot be defended (but still, your marketing t-shirt make you say whatever you can try, even if its ridiculous), you guys jump to accuse and to try to bad mouth the owner of the critics... try... only try. And everyone here knows (including yourselves) that you do that, not just against me, but against anyone who persist with arguments that you ever are capable to beat.

Everyone knows your modus operandis. If you presume that are "buying someone" with your speech, you have no idea

jcrg99

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Originally posted by DocBrody

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Originally posted by jcrg99

Originally posted by Erillion

Originally posted by jcrg99

But I suppose that its just my imagination, right?

--> IMHO Yes ;-)

--> Have fun

As if people did not know yet that you are just a CIG marketing boy that will say whatever is necessary to try to hide the true to people... anyway...

...

The famous and successful are continuously criticized and run down by those who are envious of their achievements. It's quite normal human behavior to try and negate someone else's achievements to compensate for your own lack of any.

Just read this and you know who you are dealing with here

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/192262/what-s-the-story-of-jcrg99

 

 

Wow, I suspected it was fairly serious due to the frequent and rambling posts, but I had no idea it was that bad ! 

For my own personal safety, I think I'll discontinue that dialogue now.

Thx for the heads-up. 

Hahahahaha! And here's a fine example. First someone put some whatever link. Then, the other fan, that was helping in the white-knight mission come and say "oh, I did not know, now I know, thanks to enlight me with your generic statements that means absolutely nothing, now I know that he is crazy"

Heh!

As these guys weren't so predictable. These people have no shame to make very clear to others that are just marketing boys, in other words, not reliable, just willing to say whatever is necessary to get people's money.

P.S: Wondering why the people doing that - defending CIG no matter what - always have to be the same people. Why those " 550k new backers" that came after the end of the original campaign never come to help them It must to be the same three or four fellows