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Another F-up By Trion / Archage

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  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249

    I really dont know what people was expecting, after see the way AA was launch and the problems that still persist after more then a month.

    - The launch was a tottaly mess, it was really bad, period.

    - The launch problems persist during more then 3 weeks, only get better because alot of people give up the game.

    - The inicial land grab is a tottaly unfair "system", cheaters make things even worse, it should be temporary limit per account, a few days was enouph to balance things a little bit imo.

    Trion could learn about how things goes with launch and try with XLGames make a Auroria patch launch diferent so things could go more smoth.

     

    I didnt expect nothing from this update, (didnt hit EU yet), so i dont care about Auroria for now, this way i dont stress neither i get disapoint and keep playing and enjoy the game knowing for now is really dificult to reach some stuff.

     

    I have time and patience, the game is amazing to my eyes, just need to survive all this mess for now.

  • preachmorepreachmore Member Posts: 75
    and now they postponed the EU release..... wich it may be good though..... but they are clueless, helpless and incompetent nonetheless

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  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member RarePosts: 654

    the thing you can blame trion for is only their current customer support and website moderation..

     

    Game related hacks/exploits/gold spammers are mostly coding issues which are XLgames territory.

     

    Launchday was pretty smooth not too many crashes.. only not many servers..

     

    The game itself is a mess.. due to client coding.. hacks are very easy to make which is main problem with this game.

     

    You cant blame trion for this tho.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    I had enough and quit AA a week ago. I had plenty of land (2x farmhouses and 3 16x16) and was still enjoying the game play, but the abundance of bots and hacking just eventually wore me down. I realised that it won't change, so I moved on.
  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249
    Originally posted by Copperfield

    the thing you can blame trion for is only their current customer support and website moderation..

     

    Game related hacks/exploits/gold spammers are mostly coding issues which are XLgames territory.

     

    Launchday was pretty smooth not too many crashes.. only not many servers..

     

    The game itself is a mess.. due to client coding.. hacks are very easy to make which is main problem with this game.

     

    You cant blame trion for this tho.

    I can blame Trion for:

    - With the servers packed during head start, they didnt open more servers for launch day. And they take to long to react while Patron player were in queues of 6h. This plus other problems make a really bad launch.

    - They take to long to start fighting bots and hackers, while those keep ruining the game experience for alot of players.

    - Lack of servers stability is Trion fault too, i played in RU and servers were smoth.

     

    Even with the problems that come "attached" to the game by XLGames Trion is/was really slow to try solve anything controled by them, because of this i blame Trion for the big part of the curent AA "problems".

  • MensurMensur Member EpicPosts: 1,531
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    I had enough and quit AA a week ago. I had plenty of land (2x farmhouses and 3 16x16) and was still enjoying the game play, but the abundance of bots and hacking just eventually wore me down. I realised that it won't change, so I moved on.

    This game could have been soo cool. but now it just sucks..and i really dont think that they will ever be able to fix it. I feel sad for the poor souls who keep investing their time and money into a game that has lost his soul!

     

    mmorpg junkie since 1999



  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

    Pre-release:

    -"Trion is the best publisher XL could have found for AA"

    -"AA will be different in the west, Trion won't mess it up"

    -"Trion's ArcheAge"

    -"Trion will make their own decision according to what's best for AA on the western market"

    -"Trion has total control, it will literally be a different game over here"

     

    Post-release:

    "People have to learn that it's not Trion's game and that there is little they can do".

     

     

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  • ManestreamManestream Member UncommonPosts: 941
    Originally posted by mcrippins
    To be honest.. I liked Trion before playing Archeage. Even though I didn't really like their games, they seemed like a decent company. I 100% hate them now, and will avoid them at all costs, and it's simply due to how they act when issues arise. It's depressing. They're like a scared kid who got caught up in the middle, and instead of doing the right thing, they just hide and hope the problems go away.

    I have to admit, i also like Trion BEFORE they released Archeage, HOWEVER they seem to have taken the step that all companies tend to take thesedays and thats priority of obtaining money from players as fast and quick as possible.

    Archeage i do not play anymore, its a joke of a game, absolutly dissapointing in every way. Can see why it failed on every release. Although Rift has started to have things creep in that are somewhat extreamly overpriced (come on extra bag slot and bank slot but must purchase the £115 package to unlock), 5000 points to buy new souls (works out at around £30), should charge 3000 like the previous souls and included them in the extra package's. Other than this, the game is still fine, with defiance still a drop in center for some quick blasting.

    Archeage however is a drop out, as far as me saying dont bother with it, save yerselves a headache and avoid it at all costs.

  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by BailoPan15
    ah someone's bitter over virtual pixels i see. 

    What I see are people disappointed that yet another game is being ruined by today's gaming community. As that's what this really boils down to. Why work for anything when you can just cheat your way there...

    It´s the RMT industry that has taken complete hold of this game. A multi-billion dollar industry.

    And seeing how XL games gives them the Tools to do it, I wouldn´t even be suprised in the slightest if this Company is corrupt and receives Money from them through the back door.  Wouldn´t be the first Company, won´t be the last either.

    ArcheAge is a game that has been live for over 2 years now in other territories. These problems could have easily been solved by now if XL games really wanted to.

    This is way too lucrative for the RMT industry.

    - RMT industry buys up all the land through bot scripts.

    - RMT industry extorts gamers for high gold prices to buy said land.

    - Stupid gamers buy gold from RMT industry to buy said land.

     

     

     

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by Volgore
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

    Pre-release:

    -"Trion is the best publisher XL could have found for AA"

    -"AA will be different in the west, Trion won't mess it up"

    -"Trion's ArcheAge"

    -"Trion will make their own decision according to what's best for AA on the western market"

    -"Trion has total control, it will literally be a different game over here"

     

    Post-release:

    "People have to learn that it's not Trion's game and that there is little they can do".

     

     

    You forgot an important one:

    "Trion's Rift has the best monetization model in the industry, they know how to do good F2P, so their  model for AA is bound to be excellent too !"

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by BailoPan15
    ah someone's bitter over virtual pixels i see. 

    What I see are people disappointed that yet another game is being ruined by today's gaming community. As that's what this really boils down to. Why work for anything when you can just cheat your way there...

    It´s the RMT industry that has taken complete hold of this game. A multi-billion dollar industry.

    And seeing how XL games gives them the Tools to do it, I wouldn´t even be suprised in the slightest if this Company is corrupt and receives Money from them through the back door.  Wouldn´t be the first Company, won´t be the last either.

    ArcheAge is a game that has been live for over 2 years now in other territories. These problems could have easily been solved by now if XL games really wanted to.

    This is way too lucrative for the RMT industry.

    - RMT industry buys up all the land through bot scripts.

    - RMT industry extorts gamers for high gold prices to buy said land.

    - Stupid gamers buy gold from RMT industry to buy said land.

     

     

     

    That very much seems to be the case. While this stuff has always been there in the background, dating back to the birth of the genre, the way in which devs have opened themselves up to supporting it on their own, has gotten way out of hand.

    The problem  is really focusing in on who's most at fault, the devs/pubs who are simply cashing in (rather than just others) on their creations or the players who have embraced this and supported it to the point that it has come to this. Because it has always been about buying an advantage or easy path to power. Especially if we're talking about player ran game communities.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Originally posted by JeroKane
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by BailoPan15
    ah someone's bitter over virtual pixels i see. 

    What I see are people disappointed that yet another game is being ruined by today's gaming community. As that's what this really boils down to. Why work for anything when you can just cheat your way there...

    It´s the RMT industry that has taken complete hold of this game. A multi-billion dollar industry.

    And seeing how XL games gives them the Tools to do it, I wouldn´t even be suprised in the slightest if this Company is corrupt and receives Money from them through the back door.  Wouldn´t be the first Company, won´t be the last either.

    ArcheAge is a game that has been live for over 2 years now in other territories. These problems could have easily been solved by now if XL games really wanted to.

    This is way too lucrative for the RMT industry.

    - RMT industry buys up all the land through bot scripts.

    - RMT industry extorts gamers for high gold prices to buy said land.

    - Stupid gamers buy gold from RMT industry to buy said land.

      

    It's almost the natural and inevitable outcome of the F2P monetization model. The goldsellers have hijacked the process by introducing industrial-scale cheating and then re-selling their illicit gains (items and gold) via their OWN "cash shop" for real money.

     

    The goldsellers simply overload the ability of the game developer to investigate and ban each and every bot and hack. It's like a virtual DDoS attack on the Customer Service reps, by the time they get to banning the offenders, the damage is already done and the banned account is already replaced with 2 new ones.

  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    All Trion is pretty much trying to do (in my opinion) is milk this game dry until XL shuts it down within a year probably
  • luisrkillerluisrkiller Member UncommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by Volgore
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

    Pre-release:

    -"Trion is the best publisher XL could have found for AA"

    -"AA will be different in the west, Trion won't mess it up"

    -"Trion's ArcheAge"

    -"Trion will make their own decision according to what's best for AA on the western market"

    -"Trion has total control, it will literally be a different game over here"

     

    Post-release:

    "People have to learn that it's not Trion's game and that there is little they can do".

     

     

    You forgot an important one:

    "Trion's Rift has the best monetization model in the industry, they know how to do good F2P, so their  model for AA is bound to be excellent too !"

    This. I understand they don't have full control but they chose to publish a game that has had the same issues for 2 years now. I just wish they would've delayed Auroria until the whole bots/hacks situation was somewhat solved.

    The clock is just ticking for ArcheAge, they need to do something pretty soon or a lot of players are going to get tired of it and unsubscribe...

  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666

    I gave up on this cash grab mess weeks ago and put my Archeum founder's pack down to poor judgement, never to be repeated. At least their forums are entertaining.

    Trion's no doubt busy working on new RNG boxes and a cash shop only Christmas event.

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by luisrkiller
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko
    Originally posted by Volgore
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

    Pre-release:

    -"Trion is the best publisher XL could have found for AA"

    -"AA will be different in the west, Trion won't mess it up"

    -"Trion's ArcheAge"

    -"Trion will make their own decision according to what's best for AA on the western market"

    -"Trion has total control, it will literally be a different game over here"

     

    Post-release:

    "People have to learn that it's not Trion's game and that there is little they can do".

     

     

    You forgot an important one:

    "Trion's Rift has the best monetization model in the industry, they know how to do good F2P, so their  model for AA is bound to be excellent too !"

    This. I understand they don't have full control but they chose to publish a game that has had the same issues for 2 years now. I just wish they would've delayed Auroria until the whole bots/hacks situation was somewhat solved.

    The clock is just ticking for ArcheAge, they need to do something pretty soon or a lot of players are going to get tired of it and unsubscribe...

    I think it was just another showing of Trion going out of their way to please typical gamer internet fallacies, "give the devs full control, leave the publisher out of it.." That's what everyone was saying was so great about Ncsoft with Carbine..Publishers are in the business of making money (covering proper demographics, keeping paying customers happy), , Devs are in the business of making the games they want or think others want to play. One is inward looking the other outward, both views are important.

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • JJ82JJ82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,258
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

     People seem to forget that this game has publishers other than Trion and XLGames that are not having these issues.

    GameOn in Japan actually has this crazy thing called a PTR where patches are tested before going live so they can get issues fixed before hand.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • BeowulfsamBeowulfsam Member UncommonPosts: 145
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

     People seem to forget that this game has publishers other than Trion and XLGames that are not having these issues.

    GameOn in Japan actually has this crazy thing called a PTR where patches are tested before going live so they can get issues fixed before hand.

    Trino also said alpha servers are gonna become test severs. And look what happened...they saved few dollars for not having them, losing tens of thousand from lost customers. Saving on quality loses you money in the long run, go figure, must be something new and unheard of :P

  • JJ82JJ82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,258
    Originally posted by Beowulfsam
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

     People seem to forget that this game has publishers other than Trion and XLGames that are not having these issues.

    GameOn in Japan actually has this crazy thing called a PTR where patches are tested before going live so they can get issues fixed before hand.

    Trino also said alpha servers are gonna become test severs. And look what happened...they saved few dollars for not having them, losing tens of thousand from lost customers. Saving on quality loses you money in the long run, go figure, must be something new and unheard of :P

     To Scott Hartsman it is new and unheard of. I knew Trion was going to go downhill when he returned last year.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • AthisarAthisar Member UncommonPosts: 666
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by Beowulfsam
    Originally posted by JJ82
    Originally posted by lugal
    People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.

     People seem to forget that this game has publishers other than Trion and XLGames that are not having these issues.

    GameOn in Japan actually has this crazy thing called a PTR where patches are tested before going live so they can get issues fixed before hand.

    Trino also said alpha servers are gonna become test severs. And look what happened...they saved few dollars for not having them, losing tens of thousand from lost customers. Saving on quality loses you money in the long run, go figure, must be something new and unheard of :P

     To Scott Hartsman it is new and unheard of. I knew Trion was going to go downhill when he returned last year.

    I didn't know there was a CEO change last year. I've noticed a massive swing from a decent company to an unethical pile of crap in the last year, perhaps there's an explanation there.

  • NightfyreNightfyre Member UncommonPosts: 205

    Probably as someone has said maybe somewhere else in all these posts, I believe some problems was due to bots overloading log-in servers with others trying to get in as well.  Not going to say it wasn't Trion's fault for not knowing this would happen (though who would really?), they just didn't see this happening and have proper backup ready for it.

    I did manage to get in and stay logged in, though others had issues staying connected (guess I can say I was lucky one). 

    But after seeing what happened during all this, I would see people having difficult time to begin with.  When the first area opened up for housing, I was shocked at how fast the land was swept away from any potential housing.  It was like every spot was perfectly scoped out by people.  I was sure programs/hacks were used, to have that much land nabbed in seconds and like every possible spot was perfectly placed to make room for others.  You couldn't make me think anything else.  I know a couple members managed to get something down, or find an opening it was just nuts at how fast everything popped up.

    The next area I had to plan differently, it was constant clicking on a spot and avoiding being PK'd, people were upset about what was going on and can't blame them.  After an hour of waiting for that spot to be taken for a castle, and avoiding my body telling me it had to pee I got a house up. 

    It's not something I want to do again, and was sort of disgusted with how everything was presented to people that day. 

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916

    It seems we are witnessing the effects of a "perfect storm" created by the fact that both the developer (XLGames) and publisher (Trion) of AA are trying to spend as little money as possible in the process of bringing the game to the NA/EU market.

     

    Trion have the bare minimum management and CS staff in place (every thing else is "out of their control") and XLGames are completely focused on their Korean players while tossing chunks of code over the fence to Trion from time to time.

     

    Just "publishing" the game can't cost much, right ?

     

    It's a strange thought, but it almost looks like Trion didn't really understand what they were in for with AA. I suspect the intention was that it would provide a nice additional cash income "on the side" to keep them going until they could produce a new game to boost their coffers. 

  • JJ82JJ82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,258
    Originally posted by Athisar
    Originally posted by JJ82

     To Scott Hartsman it is new and unheard of. I knew Trion was going to go downhill when he returned last year.

    I didn't know there was a CEO change last year. I've noticed a massive swing from a decent company to an unethical pile of crap in the last year, perhaps there's an explanation there.

     Yeah back in August 2013.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/28294

    Hartsman is a Douche Canoe, second only to Guillemot of Ubisoft on the list of douchiness in the gaming industry.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • JJ82JJ82 Member UncommonPosts: 1,258
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    Trion have the bare minimum management and CS staff in place (every thing else is "out of their control") and XLGames are completely focused on their Korean players while tossing chunks of code over the fence to Trion from time to time.

     This is such BS. How is it that GameOn has more control than Trion?!? Because they don't. Trion has more control than you think, they just are not putting any money into it. GameOn has TEST SERVERS, Trion does not. This is why patches have the issues they have here and not in Japan. This is Trions choice.

    Also, Trion greatly effected how XL did the F2P conversion with their ideas of what they wanted in their game shop just as GameOn is having several changes undone for the Japanese market which is still larger than the Korean and Russian markets combined even with the large drop off in players due to the P2W aspects of the F2P conversion.

    It is also Trions choice not to take the servers down even though most cannot log in just as it is their choice not to do a rollback and allow the few that could get in to hold all the land. This is the kind of actions that would get a company shutdown in Japan where people actually have convictions, stick to them, and hold a company up to high standards that if they don't meet them, they end up going out of business because no one will use their services.

    "People who tell you you’re awesome are useless. No, dangerous.

    They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
    http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/

  • alyndalealyndale Member UncommonPosts: 936
    Originally posted by Thestrain
    Stuff like this makes me feel glad that i am done with this game. What a train wreck.

    imageNow wait just one all ye naysayers!

    We have a champion on this forum do we not? The mighty intrepid avenger of all things Archeage-y...

    YES citizens...we have DMKano!!! He will set us straight!! He will tell us how unimportant our petty posts and negativities are. Only HE knows what is happening and has yet to fly into this conversation with a...a... PASSION, YES a passion!

    We are but tiny insects to his immortal intellect when matters of this nature happen! Take heart! Take heed citizens! DMK will save the day!!!

    image ...had to do it guys... flame away

    <puts on fire retardant suit> braces....

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    Just gimme some truth
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