Originally posted by preachmore meanwhile in the AA forums all hell broke loose.... a lot of rage, namecaling and furstration with totall luck of response from Trion
Oh yeah I am following this thread. Its kind of amusing
I am a patron of the game and would like land, but thats not the big issue to me. The main issue is the land hackers and the fact that they seem totally blind to it. Also with this issue the fact they are not bringing the servers down is mind blowing to me. The whole point of this expansion was the fight for castles / land. I heard houses were popping up within seconds by people no where near the zone..Also the majority of people can not log into the game so how is it even remotely fair or competitive? I just dont get companies now a days.
Originally posted by preachmore meanwhile in the AA forums all hell broke loose.... a lot of rage, namecaling and furstration with totall luck of response from Trion
Oh yeah I am following this thread. Its kind of amusing
I am a patron of the game and would like land, but thats not the big issue to me. The main issue is the land hackers and the fact that they seem totally blind to it. Also with this issue the fact they are not bringing the servers down is mind blowing to me. The whole point of this expansion was the fight for castles / land. I heard houses were popping up within seconds by people no where near the zone..Also the majority of people can not log into the game so how is it even remotely fair or competitive? I just dont get companies now a days.
I was there when it happened, mate.
There were literally players falling out of the sky, lvl 10s teleporting in and taking the land. All the plots were taken instantly, I couldn't even get 1 and I was there.
13 pages here, 700 pages on the official forums...this is AWESOME *grabs popcorn*
Unleash HELL gents!!!
No, but really, a company puts out a "FREE 2 PLAY" title, but asks for $100+ packs? And you guys think it's a smart call to play that game?
Then by all means, keep on the pain! I'm having fun watching you!
I saw several other F2P games selling $100+ founders packs before Archeage, but it seems to be a semi-recent phenomena. I can only assume it's a newer F2P whaling strategy that's new enough that R2Games' presentation didn't mention it (because it wasn't mastered/figured out yet)
13 pages here, 700 pages on the official forums...this is AWESOME *grabs popcorn*
Unleash HELL gents!!!
No, but really, a company puts out a "FREE 2 PLAY" title, but asks for $100+ packs? And you guys think it's a smart call to play that game?
Then by all means, keep on the pain! I'm having fun watching you!
Sure, because whatever game you are playing atm (if you are playing any) dont try to make money in some way, and 100% optional founders packs are such a evil thing.......
Yeah i know, i fall in a troll trap but im bored at work
Like many others, I was tricked into trusting Trion because of a good experience with Rift. I'd never have bought a founder's pack otherwise. And like many others, I was totally screwed. Still, I've learnt from my mistake - aside from not buying founder's packs in the future, I'll never spend another penny with Trion.
Originally posted by Atadis Is anyone else just watching this blow up with a bowl of popcorn? The AA forums are too funny right now I can't describe the level of entertainment.
Wasn't gonna say anything...but I got Kettle corn goin :P
What's up, Fist?
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Originally posted by Athisar Like many others, I was tricked into trusting Trion because of a good experience with Rift. I'd never have bought a founder's pack otherwise. And like many others, I was totally screwed. Still, I've learnt from my mistake - aside from not buying founder's packs in the future, I'll never spend another penny with Trion.
I still enjoy Rift and will continue to sub there. But no more money into Trion's other titles. No way.
Originally posted by Athisar Like many others, I was tricked into trusting Trion because of a good experience with Rift. I'd never have bought a founder's pack otherwise. And like many others, I was totally screwed. Still, I've learnt from my mistake - aside from not buying founder's packs in the future, I'll never spend another penny with Trion.
I still enjoy Rift and will continue to sub there. But no more money into Trion's other titles. No way.
Rift is still a good game, but they're going in the same direction with that, i.e. millions of RNG boxes, pay for equipment slots, etc. All the lying Trion has done re the 10% discount, plus the treatment of founders, and everything else with ArcheAge, I'm not going to support a company without any ethics.
Many years ago when I was younger I was humbled by a forum post. Someone was calling a game that I enjoyed utter trash, and blaming the publisher that I liked as well. It was my response that the publisher did not make the game and had no control over what the developer did, they just came in the last moment and published a game that would otherwise probably not see the light of day.
A member of that publishing team came in and said that the quality of the game is the responsibility of both the Developer and the Publisher; that they share equal blame and if they publish a game, it's because they themselves think it's worthy of release. That you have to put your reputation on the line and accept the consequences if things aren't up to par, and you just jump in for the sake of quick profit.
Trion is 100% responsible for everything they publish or service. It is the same way how a book publisher is responsible for what they publish that an independent author wrote. Why they could be held liable for any damages and so forth. If they do not have absolute control over something (or at least enough on lockdown that they can handle problems as they arise), then it's their fault for agreeing on the terms they do have, and for not researching the game properly. I even stated years ago that only the most desperate western publisher would touch ArcheAge due to the myriad of problems it had back then.
There is no excuse whatsoever and, in fact, the case being made that they aren't the bad guys here and that they have no control just makes them look incompetent as a company and a publisher on the whole for partnering with XL Games.
The response to the situation also seems to be exceedingly poor if what people are saying is true. That said, the prospect of hating a company that makes MAJOR mistakes and puts themselves into this position may be a bit extreme; you can lose your faith in their ability to manage their company and their reputation as a publisher, but overall they have little problems with the games they do own, manage and develop for at present.
They should just remain a games developer in my opinion... or simply change their name to help escape all this bad press that is associated with them now.
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I will not quote the above post. It says it all I think. Well thought through and sparkles with wisdom many on this forum could take a lesson on, myself included.
Nothing else needs to be said here. Trion is the publisher and XLGames is the creative owner of Archeage. They are both responsible for the disposition of how this game is marketed and presented. Trion, indeed is just as culpable as XL here.
What happens here forward is and forever historically their responsibility.
Alyn
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
I'm not disagreeing with the above, but to put it another way, the contract is between vendor (Trion) and customer (us). Trion blaming a supplier for problems is like us saying we can't pay our sub as it's someone else's fault, and expecting to get it anyway.
Yes Asithar I have no philosophical or moral problem with your assessment. Trion has the burden here and you are right. There is a contract of sorts between company and the customer.
Alyn
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
Yes Asithar I have no philosophical or moral problem with your assessment. Trion has the burden here and you are right. There is a contract of sorts between company and the customer.
Alyn
A little off topic, but a small clarification - a contract is formed when any money is exchanged for goods or services, it doesn't have to be written. That's why when you get an order confirmation online many state a contract is not formed until you're charged. It lets them get out of pricing errors.
Normally in these circumstances, all the necessary work is carried out well before launch in order to ensure that both the publisher and developer know exactly what each is expected to do and to make sure service level agreements are in place for any problems. The fact that Trion is telling customers they can't do this that or the other because of XL Games shows their utter incompetency, it is no excuse.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I was there when it happened, mate.
There were literally players falling out of the sky, lvl 10s teleporting in and taking the land. All the plots were taken instantly, I couldn't even get 1 and I was there.
13 pages here, 700 pages on the official forums...this is AWESOME *grabs popcorn*
Unleash HELL gents!!!
No, but really, a company puts out a "FREE 2 PLAY" title, but asks for $100+ packs? And you guys think it's a smart call to play that game?
Then by all means, keep on the pain! I'm having fun watching you!
I saw several other F2P games selling $100+ founders packs before Archeage, but it seems to be a semi-recent phenomena. I can only assume it's a newer F2P whaling strategy that's new enough that R2Games' presentation didn't mention it (because it wasn't mastered/figured out yet)
They're getting more and more devious, it seems.
Sure, because whatever game you are playing atm (if you are playing any) dont try to make money in some way, and 100% optional founders packs are such a evil thing.......
Yeah i know, i fall in a troll trap but im bored at work
What's up, Fist?
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
I still enjoy Rift and will continue to sub there. But no more money into Trion's other titles. No way.
Rift is still a good game, but they're going in the same direction with that, i.e. millions of RNG boxes, pay for equipment slots, etc. All the lying Trion has done re the 10% discount, plus the treatment of founders, and everything else with ArcheAge, I'm not going to support a company without any ethics.
Can you pass some of that popcorn, this is getting interesting. Since the debacle with defiance I placed a "X" mark on Trion.
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http://www.swtor.com/r/ZptVnY
Many years ago when I was younger I was humbled by a forum post. Someone was calling a game that I enjoyed utter trash, and blaming the publisher that I liked as well. It was my response that the publisher did not make the game and had no control over what the developer did, they just came in the last moment and published a game that would otherwise probably not see the light of day.
A member of that publishing team came in and said that the quality of the game is the responsibility of both the Developer and the Publisher; that they share equal blame and if they publish a game, it's because they themselves think it's worthy of release. That you have to put your reputation on the line and accept the consequences if things aren't up to par, and you just jump in for the sake of quick profit.
Trion is 100% responsible for everything they publish or service. It is the same way how a book publisher is responsible for what they publish that an independent author wrote. Why they could be held liable for any damages and so forth. If they do not have absolute control over something (or at least enough on lockdown that they can handle problems as they arise), then it's their fault for agreeing on the terms they do have, and for not researching the game properly. I even stated years ago that only the most desperate western publisher would touch ArcheAge due to the myriad of problems it had back then.
There is no excuse whatsoever and, in fact, the case being made that they aren't the bad guys here and that they have no control just makes them look incompetent as a company and a publisher on the whole for partnering with XL Games.
The response to the situation also seems to be exceedingly poor if what people are saying is true. That said, the prospect of hating a company that makes MAJOR mistakes and puts themselves into this position may be a bit extreme; you can lose your faith in their ability to manage their company and their reputation as a publisher, but overall they have little problems with the games they do own, manage and develop for at present.
They should just remain a games developer in my opinion... or simply change their name to help escape all this bad press that is associated with them now.
I will not quote the above post. It says it all I think. Well thought through and sparkles with wisdom many on this forum could take a lesson on, myself included.
Nothing else needs to be said here. Trion is the publisher and XLGames is the creative owner of Archeage. They are both responsible for the disposition of how this game is marketed and presented. Trion, indeed is just as culpable as XL here.
What happens here forward is and forever historically their responsibility.
Alyn
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
Yes Asithar I have no philosophical or moral problem with your assessment. Trion has the burden here and you are right. There is a contract of sorts between company and the customer.
Alyn
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
A little off topic, but a small clarification - a contract is formed when any money is exchanged for goods or services, it doesn't have to be written. That's why when you get an order confirmation online many state a contract is not formed until you're charged. It lets them get out of pricing errors.
Normally in these circumstances, all the necessary work is carried out well before launch in order to ensure that both the publisher and developer know exactly what each is expected to do and to make sure service level agreements are in place for any problems. The fact that Trion is telling customers they can't do this that or the other because of XL Games shows their utter incompetency, it is no excuse.
Yes, i do agree with this last posts.
Like i say befor Trion is abusing the escuse "we cant do nothing, we need to wait for XLGames".
Where is the PTS server promise befor launch (alpha server)? Its alive but i dont see it? (im not a founder)
THis is what they are doing..while we all are whining...
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