Originally posted by Thestrain Yes there will always be hacks and cheating but AA is a special case. I have never seen such rampant hacking in a any modern game.
Every single online game that relies solely on a third party tool for their entire security, in this case Hackshield, has suffered uncontrollable and rampant cheating, spam and botting.
These tools are nothing but smokescreens to pretend they have security in place as marketing ploy. While everyone with a brain knows all these tools are notorious for being totally useless and are easily bypassed.
According to the forums, some players instantly had 10+ plots (those witnesses counted the number of houses that belonged to the same player. And also chat instantly filled with some guys saying "Selling 10 16x16 plots!" or something like that.
While some people apparently did legitimately get land without hacking (allegedly), there is definately some shenanigans going on.
.....honestly, how they could in good conscience releaes this without fixing those hacks is... well, not beyond me, actually. They clearly don't care.
But really, you'd think they'd at least have implemented some account-wide limits on the number of plots you can own. It's not like taxes are any deterrent at all since they just sell the plots befor etax time comes up apparently (or other more exploitive shenanigans if need be)
And you don't think these RMT guys have a jitload of accounts and can easily bypass such limitation?
Is it any different to bot with a single account to claim 10 plots or bot with 10 accounts and claim 1 plot per said account?
The end result will be the same.
This is what you get with Free 2 Play! There are practically no financial risks and concequences for these guys. That 5 buck patron per account is nothing for what they earn through RMT sales.
At least with P2P games you have to buy a 50 bucks game and then pay 15 bucks a month! Per account!
The financial risk and concequences in a P2P game are far greater.
Sure a lot of them are using hacked accounts and stolen credit cards. But with concequent banning they will run out and give up quickly enough.
In a F2P game they can just keep on creating new accounts. It's an endless battle the devs can never win.
And the fact that XL games uses a craptastic tool like Hackshield says enough! They are lazy and don't give a damn.
You need to be a patron to own land. It is as you said, "at least with P2P games you have to pay 15 bucks a month" (but no $50 initial price here) when it comes to owning land. In this case, one house per account would mean that any RMTer that wants more would have to pay $15 per account to own that land.
Yes, those RMT companies MIGHT bot up some other accounts AND pay patron for them, but at least the free ones will be gone, and at least Trion will have more money in their pockets so they can upgrade their super-sized christmas ham (from all those founder packs they sold) to luxury master-size or something.
Originally posted by Thestrain Yes there will always be hacks and cheating but AA is a special case. I have never seen such rampant hacking in a any modern game.
You may be right, I have no way of measuring it... but in my opinion hacking in MMOs has been getting progressively worse over time. The hackers themselves are certainly getting more brazen and multiple MMO hacking websites exists out in the open with large numbers of active posters.
I'm even now seeing a lot of posts from legitimate players essentially saying "what's the use? I can't beat them so I might as well join them." This is a fairly new type of post in open forums - especially in the game's official forums but I've seen it in the forums of several MMOs over the past couple of years.
I think there's a cultural shift and the "warez/torrent" counter-culture mentality has gotten into MMOs in a way much bigger than ever before.
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Originally posted by lugal People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.
People seem to forget that this game has publishers other than Trion and XLGames that are not having these issues.
GameOn in Japan actually has this crazy thing called a PTR where patches are tested before going live so they can get issues fixed before hand.
Trino also said alpha servers are gonna become test severs. And look what happened...they saved few dollars for not having them, losing tens of thousand from lost customers. Saving on quality loses you money in the long run, go figure, must be something new and unheard of :P
They really are money greedy bastards!
This game will be their downfall....never in my life have i seen so many f-kups!
You need to be a patron to own land. It is as you said, "at least with P2P games you have to pay 15 bucks a month" (but no $50 initial price here) when it comes to owning land. In this case, one house per account would mean that any RMTer that wants more would have to pay $15 per account to own that land.
Yes, those RMT companies MIGHT bot up some other accounts AND pay patron for them, but at least the free ones will be gone, and at least Trion will have more money in their pockets so they can upgrade their super-sized christmas ham (from all those founder packs they sold) to luxury master-size or something.
Most of these massive hacks on land claims. You can bet it's the RMT industry behind it.
When they control most of the land, they control the game, the market, drive prices up and push people into desperation to start buying gold with real money from their RMT sites.
XL games has practically handed their entire game over to the RMT industry! They have lost complete control over their own game.
And like I said in other posts, this game has been live for over 2 years in other territories. So if XL games gave damn they had more than plenty of time to address these issues.
The fact is, they don't give a damn! And as long as enough sheep keep throwing insane amounts of money at them through founder packs and what not.
They could care less! They are already working on new games like that Civilization MMO.
Everyone is so quick to defend Trion saying these are XL Game's issues and Trion has no control. And while that may be true, it was Trion who asserted themselves and put themselves out there for this game in this way.
We don't see these publisher/developer relationship disconnects in other games. EA has one of the worst reputations in the gaming industry, They publish TSW. But good bad or indifferent, everything right and everything wrong with TSW is on FC. Nobody brings EA into it.
Trion opened this door for heavy criticism by making stupid claims from the beginning. They should have published the game and kept their mouth shut about things they have no control over and let XL do the talking.
I would not defend Trion if there in the wrong, there are some people will blame all on Trion all the way with out knowing how mmo that become western and how they work as well have much control of there content they have and not have, yes Trion is one part of the blame the rest is xlgames.
Kind of ironic. An open world PvP game where griefing is tolerated, is now tolerating griefing on the RMT side. Now it's the bots and cheaters that are griefing at the RMT level, and the PvP player gankers are whining!
This experience has taught me a valuable lesson . Never preorder they suckered me in with the whole limited availability of the top tier founders pack that ended up being not so limited. I will admit it, but the experience until now has been terrible I am washing my hands with both trion and xlgames cause fault lies with both companies. If one company was running their business in a reasonable fashion. We would not be in this giant charlie foxtrot.
last time i played (last weekend) people in chat were talking about people being able to own various houses among different characters. If that is true then that is another problem. Housing should be account wide per faction (not per character) so more people have a chance to get a piece of land (specially on a safe area)
Originally posted by nbtscan And people wonder why some choose not to play F2P games.
Can be same about sub and b2p, is not f2p in general is bad or sub or b2p, is people in general that join on to a game, not knowing what f2p is, you get to play for free don't mean they get it all but if there still people out there who will throw there money at any company and there not stopping they keep putting there money down and keep on going then complain later on. When they don't get there way.
I still got patron status, but haven't logged in in over 3 weeks...the end game just isn't there, and the one thing I wanted to do is outrageously hindered by Labor Points. Every hour I'm offline, I get to catch a single fish....1 fish per hour. while online I could catch 2 fish an hour...
I could probably log in now and run out of labor points within 8 hours.
Originally posted by lugal People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.
And people like you need to learn they ARE managing it. These decisions are their own. People begged for them to stall the Auroria release because hacks had not been put under control. They did not create the game and have some limitations to what they can change, the rest is ALL them.
Stop apologizing for them, seriously.
Please explain how a company that has no control of the game dev has control on what is being released and how to stop hacking?
You have zero clue what you are talking about. XL Games did not force Trion to release Auroria this soon. Halsa weapons were not even supposed to be in the game this soon, they were designed by XL to be released after about a year. The Asian/Russian releases are not near as cash shop oriented either, thank you TRION.
You don't know what you are talking about so just stop.
You still did not explain how a company(Trion) that does not have dev control of a game, that belongs to XL games, are able to do any of what you are blaming them for? Xl games created the game, the code and interfaces. I'm sure Trion wanted certain features implemented, but it is not them making the code.
I think it is you who who does not know what they talking about. You just have blind hate.
You seriously can't be this dense.. can you?
Do you understand the difference between releasing code and PROGRAMMING code? Trion may not have the ability to change source code, but the release schedule and cash shop are ALL TRIONS DECISION. The decision to release hasla weapons when they are OP compared to the realistically obtainable crafted was TRIONS decision. The decision to release Auroria before the land hacks were fixed by XLGames was TRIONS decision.
Trion has more control over what happens in this market then you think, if they weren't smart enough in the contract to get some actual control they are dumber then I thought, no company, big or small, would give their whole reputation over to another company from another countries product without ANY control on possible effects of their market base.
You guys need to quit gobbling up every little DDoS/We can't change that/OMG HAXORS rhetoric that Trion feeds you when they can't, or don't want to devote the time, to getting things done right. Want to know why its that way? Because their whole board is made up of investment firms not gaming industry professionals, pensions, venture capitalists etc. None of them care because the customers keep paying money for broken products.
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Do you understand the difference between releasing code and PROGRAMMING code? Trion may not have the ability to change source code, but the release schedule and cash shop are ALL TRIONS DECISION. The decision to release hasla weapons when they are OP compared to the realistically obtainable crafted was TRIONS decision. The decision to release Auroria before the land hacks were fixed by XLGames was TRIONS decision.
Trion has more control over what happens in this market then you think, if they weren't smart enough in the contract to get some actual control they are dumber then I thought, no company, big or small, would give their whole reputation over to another company from another countries product without ANY control on possible effects of their market base.
You guys need to quit gobbling up every little DDoS/We can't change that/OMG HAXORS rhetoric that Trion feeds you when they can't, or don't want to devote the time, to getting things done right. Want to know why its that way? Because their whole board is made up of investment firms not gaming industry professionals, pensions, venture capitalists etc. None of them care because the customers keep paying money for broken products.
You are mostly correct. Trion does have a go/no go option for all content. They can also choose to delay content if they dont feel it is ready. However, they did sacrifice their reputation (due to lack of control) because of a lack of understanding about third party publishing. They just saw $$$ and due to their arrogance, ignored the details, because they thought that they were too good for these problems.
People should realize that Trion can not fix, or even prevent a lot of the problems... but they should blame Trion for creating this bad situation, where the players suffer, and Trion robs them blind. This is the reason that players should be pissed at Trion.
Originally posted by lugal People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.
And people like you need to learn they ARE managing it. These decisions are their own. People begged for them to stall the Auroria release because hacks had not been put under control. They did not create the game and have some limitations to what they can change, the rest is ALL them.
Stop apologizing for them, seriously.
Please explain how a company that has no control of the game dev has control on what is being released and how to stop hacking?
You have zero clue what you are talking about. XL Games did not force Trion to release Auroria this soon. Halsa weapons were not even supposed to be in the game this soon, they were designed by XL to be released after about a year. The Asian/Russian releases are not near as cash shop oriented either, thank you TRION.
You don't know what you are talking about so just stop.
You still did not explain how a company(Trion) that does not have dev control of a game, that belongs to XL games, are able to do any of what you are blaming them for? Xl games created the game, the code and interfaces. I'm sure Trion wanted certain features implemented, but it is not them making the code.
I think it is you who who does not know what they talking about. You just have blind hate.
You seriously can't be this dense.. can you?
Do you understand the difference between releasing code and PROGRAMMING code? Trion may not have the ability to change source code, but the release schedule and cash shop are ALL TRIONS DECISION. The decision to release hasla weapons when they are OP compared to the realistically obtainable crafted was TRIONS decision. The decision to release Auroria before the land hacks were fixed by XLGames was TRIONS decision.
Trion has more control over what happens in this market then you think, if they weren't smart enough in the contract to get some actual control they are dumber then I thought, no company, big or small, would give their whole reputation over to another company from another countries product without ANY control on possible effects of their market base.
You guys need to quit gobbling up every little DDoS/We can't change that/OMG HAXORS rhetoric that Trion feeds you when they can't, or don't want to devote the time, to getting things done right. Want to know why its that way? Because their whole board is made up of investment firms not gaming industry professionals, pensions, venture capitalists etc. None of them care because the customers keep paying money for broken products.
I not going say I know how Trion works, but with cash shop they can change a few things other items in that cash shop need to get pass XLgames, is what all free to play game deal with when your hosting a mmo from a other company, you can even see it with trion, how slow takes them to change something why does take time? XLgames have to say yes we can, that how free to play games work when you dealing with company over sea.
But for the schedule pretty much trion have more control of that but trion been pushing mmo/patch out faster and faster with out testing them fully then taking there time, I can see that, as they due it to much with there other games, people was pretty happy when they took 2 week to fix things in rift, what happen on lunch day? very few bugs, and 1 shard with a big problem thats about it.
Originally posted by mcrippins To be honest.. I liked Trion before playing Archeage. Even though I didn't really like their games, they seemed like a
In my eyes Trion got all respect when releasing Rift. Great release, bugless, perfect, .... all inclusive, including everal builds (we waited years and years i.e. in Wow to get barely DUAL, in Rift all my alts have 6 builds, then prices go up to much), wardrobe slots, .... I started to doubt in them with every single game after .... and AA is the worst.
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Every single online game that relies solely on a third party tool for their entire security, in this case Hackshield, has suffered uncontrollable and rampant cheating, spam and botting.
These tools are nothing but smokescreens to pretend they have security in place as marketing ploy. While everyone with a brain knows all these tools are notorious for being totally useless and are easily bypassed.
You need to be a patron to own land. It is as you said, "at least with P2P games you have to pay 15 bucks a month" (but no $50 initial price here) when it comes to owning land. In this case, one house per account would mean that any RMTer that wants more would have to pay $15 per account to own that land.
Yes, those RMT companies MIGHT bot up some other accounts AND pay patron for them, but at least the free ones will be gone, and at least Trion will have more money in their pockets so they can upgrade their super-sized christmas ham (from all those founder packs they sold) to luxury master-size or something.
You may be right, I have no way of measuring it... but in my opinion hacking in MMOs has been getting progressively worse over time. The hackers themselves are certainly getting more brazen and multiple MMO hacking websites exists out in the open with large numbers of active posters.
I'm even now seeing a lot of posts from legitimate players essentially saying "what's the use? I can't beat them so I might as well join them." This is a fairly new type of post in open forums - especially in the game's official forums but I've seen it in the forums of several MMOs over the past couple of years.
I think there's a cultural shift and the "warez/torrent" counter-culture mentality has gotten into MMOs in a way much bigger than ever before.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
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They really are money greedy bastards!
This game will be their downfall....never in my life have i seen so many f-kups!
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Most of these massive hacks on land claims. You can bet it's the RMT industry behind it.
When they control most of the land, they control the game, the market, drive prices up and push people into desperation to start buying gold with real money from their RMT sites.
XL games has practically handed their entire game over to the RMT industry! They have lost complete control over their own game.
And like I said in other posts, this game has been live for over 2 years in other territories. So if XL games gave damn they had more than plenty of time to address these issues.
The fact is, they don't give a damn! And as long as enough sheep keep throwing insane amounts of money at them through founder packs and what not.
They could care less! They are already working on new games like that Civilization MMO.
I would not defend Trion if there in the wrong, there are some people will blame all on Trion all the way with out knowing how mmo that become western and how they work as well have much control of there content they have and not have, yes Trion is one part of the blame the rest is xlgames.
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I tried to plant a cybergarden, for fun and profit, and a d?o?g? bot came and pissed all over it and it died.
So, I went to go fishing, and the guy next to me kept throwing rocks at me, and ganked me and took my fish.
So, I tried to build a house, and a b?u?r?g?l?a?r? hacker came and stole the land out from underneath.
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This experience has taught me a valuable lesson . Never preorder they suckered me in with the whole limited availability of the top tier founders pack that ended up being not so limited. I will admit it, but the experience until now has been terrible I am washing my hands with both trion and xlgames cause fault lies with both companies. If one company was running their business in a reasonable fashion. We would not be in this giant charlie foxtrot.
last time i played (last weekend) people in chat were talking about people being able to own various houses among different characters. If that is true then that is another problem. Housing should be account wide per faction (not per character) so more people have a chance to get a piece of land (specially on a safe area)
My opinion.
That's why you never play a game that uses HackShield or any of the other hack protection scams.
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Not only does HackShield and similar not work at all, they also screw up your PC and open multiple back-doors.
If you think botters/hackers only play F2P games you're wrong.
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Can be same about sub and b2p, is not f2p in general is bad or sub or b2p, is people in general that join on to a game, not knowing what f2p is, you get to play for free don't mean they get it all but if there still people out there who will throw there money at any company and there not stopping they keep putting there money down and keep on going then complain later on. When they don't get there way.
I still got patron status, but haven't logged in in over 3 weeks...the end game just isn't there, and the one thing I wanted to do is outrageously hindered by Labor Points. Every hour I'm offline, I get to catch a single fish....1 fish per hour. while online I could catch 2 fish an hour...
I could probably log in now and run out of labor points within 8 hours.
I liked Trion before playing Archeage. Even though I didn't really like their games, they seemed like a decent company. I 100% hate them now
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You seriously can't be this dense.. can you?
Do you understand the difference between releasing code and PROGRAMMING code? Trion may not have the ability to change source code, but the release schedule and cash shop are ALL TRIONS DECISION. The decision to release hasla weapons when they are OP compared to the realistically obtainable crafted was TRIONS decision. The decision to release Auroria before the land hacks were fixed by XLGames was TRIONS decision.
Trion has more control over what happens in this market then you think, if they weren't smart enough in the contract to get some actual control they are dumber then I thought, no company, big or small, would give their whole reputation over to another company from another countries product without ANY control on possible effects of their market base.
You guys need to quit gobbling up every little DDoS/We can't change that/OMG HAXORS rhetoric that Trion feeds you when they can't, or don't want to devote the time, to getting things done right. Want to know why its that way? Because their whole board is made up of investment firms not gaming industry professionals, pensions, venture capitalists etc. None of them care because the customers keep paying money for broken products.
The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off , why should I. Light up the darkness Bob Marley
You are mostly correct. Trion does have a go/no go option for all content. They can also choose to delay content if they dont feel it is ready. However, they did sacrifice their reputation (due to lack of control) because of a lack of understanding about third party publishing. They just saw $$$ and due to their arrogance, ignored the details, because they thought that they were too good for these problems.
People should realize that Trion can not fix, or even prevent a lot of the problems... but they should blame Trion for creating this bad situation, where the players suffer, and Trion robs them blind. This is the reason that players should be pissed at Trion.
I not going say I know how Trion works, but with cash shop they can change a few things other items in that cash shop need to get pass XLgames, is what all free to play game deal with when your hosting a mmo from a other company, you can even see it with trion, how slow takes them to change something why does take time? XLgames have to say yes we can, that how free to play games work when you dealing with company over sea.
But for the schedule pretty much trion have more control of that but trion been pushing mmo/patch out faster and faster with out testing them fully then taking there time, I can see that, as they due it to much with there other games, people was pretty happy when they took 2 week to fix things in rift, what happen on lunch day? very few bugs, and 1 shard with a big problem thats about it.
That or delete their account and create a new one with a *shocker* different name to escape their post history.
Spot on, sir!
Don't lump all F2P MMOs with this garbage AA. I play plenty of F2P MMOS including swtor, Rift etc and they are not a train wreck like this game.
In my eyes Trion got all respect when releasing Rift. Great release, bugless, perfect, .... all inclusive, including everal builds (we waited years and years i.e. in Wow to get barely DUAL, in Rift all my alts have 6 builds, then prices go up to much), wardrobe slots, .... I started to doubt in them with every single game after .... and AA is the worst.