c) "expect some serious playtime stats" --> for the finished game after launch
Oh so their heart only dictates orders to their cash while the game is in development (even though you can play part of it). It doesn't tell them to taste the game they've been giving so much money to... right?
I love all these rules that exist in this world of SC fanboyism. Everything is great and if it isn't just change the rules to make it great
If it is your impression that SC fans think "everything is great" you seriously have no idea how crowdfunding communities work.
We KNOW that NOT everything is great. Many of us ACTIVELY HELP to change that. To MAKE IT "GREAT" until game launch ...
Wether its playtesting, feedback, new ideas, fun stories or videos etc. ... the community together with the devs want to create the best thing possible.
If it is your impression that SC fans think "everything is great" you seriously have no idea how crowdfunding communities work.
We KNOW that NOT everything is great. Many of us ACTIVELY HELP to change that. To MAKE IT "GREAT" until game launch ...
Wether its playtesting, feedback, new ideas, fun stories or videos etc. ... the community together with the devs want to create the best thing possible.
Have fun
From what's been posted on here by the fans you would think that SC is the next great coming of "insert whatever deity you believe in". From things like how awesome this aspect of the game is(even though it cant be played yet) to how its a AAA game(even though its not released yet) and how the monetization model is just fine because its crowdfunding. If criticism is even brought up then the person is told how wrong they are and that they should stop pushing the anti-SC agenda. Keep in mind I am talking about these forums, although it does exist on the official forums as well.
Also way to only quote a part of what was said so that you can turn the argument your way to try to refute a point that wasn't made.
If it is your impression that SC fans think "everything is great" you seriously have no idea how crowdfunding communities work.
Since you think that all crowdfunding communities are the same, it's not me who doesn't know how they work.
Each crowdfunded game's community is different.
We KNOW that NOT everything is great. Many of us ACTIVELY HELP to change that. To MAKE IT "GREAT" until game launch ...
And you have provided critisism how? Every time someone critisizes something about SC, you jump on them to defend it. It doesn't matter how CIG does things, you will just agree with it or accept it. In the numerous topics we've exchanged opinions on SC, I don't remember a single time you critisizing anything about SC.
Since you think that all crowdfunding communities are the same, it's not me who doesn't know how they work.
Each crowdfunded game's community is different.
---> From being in six crowdfunding projects (with widely different topics) and therefore six different communities I tend to disagree with that statement, based on personal experience.
And you have provided critisism how?
--> An example: I stated that if CIG sells ships for real world money after game launch, i would be amongst those people loudly voicing their opinion that this would be a lousy idea for many reasons.
--> Another example: i stated that the current SC crafting system needs significant improvement. Ideally it should borrow a bit from the SWG crafting experience and should allow players to become recognized equipment designers/manufacturers/tuners. Think Mercedes-AMG tuning company.
--> Another example: i stated that SC lacks player housing. A game element not too hard to implement given the available information we have (after all, thats what they do with the interior of the ships) and it adds IMHO very much to the appeal of any game i play. Check out player housing in SWG, LOTRO, SWTOR, Wildstar etc.
Every time someone critisizes something about SC, you jump on them to defend it.
--> Most often i correct a lack of information and knowledge. I provided a TON of links to relevant information over the months. In oh so many cases many of those that complain just forgot to do some basic research on Google and/or the official SC homepage or the SC Wiki.
It doesn't matter how CIG does things, you will just agree with it or accept it.
--> As given in the examples above, that is an incorrect statement.
In the numerous topics we've exchanged opinions on SC, I don't remember a single time you critisizing anything about SC.
--> Then you may have to re-read some of my posts. Or check this out:
Talking to an SC fan is similar than talking to a scientologist. very hard to convince them they belong to a cult... But they do.
the anti-SC posters are not talking, they are making either blatantly false statements because they are ignorant to any information that is out there, or they invent stuff that is simply not true, only motivated by general hate, jealousy or other reasons, I highly suspect publishers scared of the crowdfunding model)
I would be the FIRST to bash any pay2win game with overpowered "premium ammo", or super weapons only available for cash , or even worse other companies like ***** breaking one promise after the other.
CIG is none of this. CIG deserves the highest of respect and the more respect goes to the backers who pledged so much more to make this even happen. This game would NEVER exist without the backers and high rollers. So I say Thank you fellow backers
Since you think that all crowdfunding communities are the same, it's not me who doesn't know how they work.
Each crowdfunded game's community is different.
---> From being in six crowdfunding projects (with widely different topics) and therefore six different communities I tend to disagree with that statement, based on personal experience.
So you wouldn't mind naming these six crowdfunded projects that all have identical communities.
I can't believe you actually need an argument as to how numerous crowdfunded communities can be different from each other.
And you have provided critisism how?
--> An example: I stated that if CIG sells ships for real world money after game launch, i would be amongst those people loudly voicing their opinion that this would be a lousy idea for many reasons.
--> Another example: i stated that the current SC crafting system needs significant improvement. Ideally it should borrow a bit from the SWG crafting experience and should allow players to become recognized equipment designers/manufacturers/tuners. Think Mercedes-AMG tuning company.
--> Another example: i stated that SC lacks player housing. A game element not too hard to implement given the available information we have (after all, thats what they do with the interior of the ships) and it adds IMHO very much to the appeal of any game i play. Check out player housing in SWG, LOTRO, SWTOR, Wildstar etc.
So your criticism is on features SC still hasn't implemented? So EVERYTHING they have implemented is absolutely fine? EVERYTHING they have done is absolutely fine? You're so obsessed, you couldn't find something wrong with the game even if you really tried.
Halt development on ALL games, we have perfection right here
Every time someone critisizes something about SC, you jump on them to defend it.
--> Most often i correct a lack of information and knowledge. I provided a TON of links to relevant information over the months. In oh so many cases many of those that complain just forgot to do some basic research on Google and/or the official SC homepage or the SC Wiki.
No, you pretty much respond to the majority of posts that say anything negative about SC... and by majority I really mean that. CIG could be paying you a monthly salary and they still wouldn't be paying you enough.
It doesn't matter how CIG does things, you will just agree with it or accept it.
--> As given in the examples above, that is an incorrect statement.
According to what you typed above, it actually IS a correct statement, since you haven't criticized anything of what CIG has implemented, just future features/implementations/lack of...
In the numerous topics we've exchanged opinions on SC, I don't remember a single time you critisizing anything about SC.
--> Then you may have to re-read some of my posts. Or check this out:
Talking to an SC fan is similar than talking to a scientologist. very hard to convince them they belong to a cult... But they do.
the anti-SC posters are not talking, they are making either blatantly false statements because they are ignorant to any information that is out there, or they invent stuff that is simply not true, only motivated by general hate, jealousy or other reasons, I highly suspect publishers scared of the crowdfunding model)
CIG is none of this. CIG deserves the highest of respect and the more respect goes to the backers who pledged so much more to make this even happen.
I just watched some Videos on SC and came to the same conclusion, it is p2w to a grade.
Imagine, there is an infinite race announced that will be held in about 2 years. Some of the participants have to start naked because they can not afford fancy stuff.
Others are equipped with biomechanical feet (jumpdrive, fuel capacity, etc) to be faster and they have longer times between rest phases, better arms (cargo hold) that they can carry stuff and prices around and better eyes (Radar) to see any obstacles in their way 2 times earlier.
In this race there are breakpoints and things to achieve like name a breakpoint or take other fancy stuff with you.
Now the race starts, and the result would be that the (rl) rich people are getting richer and are far away from the rest of the (poor) field. After 60h the poor may have aquired what the rich people had when they started, but the rich people due to be able to aquire things faster are now at least 60h away.
In the end maybe after 1-2 years all are on the same level but until then there will be a accomplishment gap.
This situation surely only exist on release, new players have to work from scratch but the system as it is planned, allows to buy some hassles away from your way.
So for me it looks like that it is a direct P2W, undoubtable this drives the most money to the game unlike i.e. GW2 (only cosmetics) or ArcheAge (indirect P2W you can just buy time safer not the equip)
Oh and as a side note: I don't think that it will be a release anytime near 2016, too many people have ticked the "I don't care if the game delays" option when they have been asked. On top of that, Mr Roberts is not known for holding deadlines - now that there is no pressure behind him the less.
Edit: Logic error in an explanation
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
So you wouldn't mind naming these six crowdfunded projects
--> I would mind ;-)
So your criticism is on features SC still hasn't implemented? So EVERYTHING they have implemented is absolutely fine? EVERYTHING they have done is absolutely fine? You're so obsessed, you couldn't find something wrong with the game even if you really tried.
--> Or I can continue naming examples. I stated that the current implementation of flight control favors mouse players over joystick control. CIG implemented changes to make all kinds of input devices equally useful ... changes that still need tweaking and testing and balancing. Testing is something i help with.
--> Another example: I stated that the current Aurora thruster design is bad. The thrusters are spaced too close to the center of mass. That means the Aurora is a bad dogfighter as it is not very nimble. You can still win fights with it, but it is harder than necessary.
Halt development on ALL games, we have perfection right here
--> Another statement i personally would not agree to.
No, you pretty much respond to the majority of posts
--> I respond to the majority of posts with my personal opinion as i enjoy visiting this subforum of MMORPG.com
--> As i did with e.g. SWG
--> As I do with e.g. Elite: Dangerous.
--> That is what people DO on forums.
that say anything negative about SC... and by majority I really mean that. CIG could be paying you a monthly salary and they still wouldn't be paying you enough.
--> Write them and tell them that ;-)
According to what you typed above, it actually IS a correct statement,
--> As given in the examples above, that is STILL an incorrect statement.
since you haven't criticized anything of what CIG has implemented, just future features/implementations/lack of...
So instead of actually linking any of your posts to prove that you do provide criticism about SC, you instead provide a sarcastic link?
---> I would not deny you the opportunity for a voyage of (re)discovery through re-reading all my posts of the last months.
Originally posted by thundercles Preface: I am a backer and i have spent about $160. Which was a lot of money for me. I donated plasma for a month in order to have the excess money. But it was something I wanted so I worked for it.I am so tired of people arguing about p2w. Mmorpgs are a business. If these dudes and ladies didn't make money doing this then it wouldn't happen. People have to make money. And just like me with my job (and probably you if you're being honest) you would like to make more money for the work you do. If CIG or any other company create a game and it's p2w then that's their perogative. We need to stop thinking that we need to be treated fairly and everyone deserves to have equal treatment in a transactional model of business ( I provide you money in return for service). If you don't like it then don't spend money. But expecting the company to change their business model because you don't like it is a little naive, because they're just going to keep appealing to the people who will pay.I think the people who spent $1000s to support the project should get an advantage. I even think it's fair if they get an advantage that others cannot attain without spending money. It seems like a no brainer, common sense thing that people who are willing to spend more get better treatment. That's how the world works. I am aware of this being someone who falls into the lower middle class. But I know that's how things work and if I want more then I need to work for it.
Wow, donating blood is serious business, you seem to be a true fan of this game. But you should not mix up things. If you support the game with your hard earned money so that it can come to life one day is one thing. But if the company is selling donators, crowdfunders or whatever you would like to call them ingame power for money, that is p2w. If we don´t talk about things like alpha access or titles or cosmetic items as incentives for backers but instead ships, armor, weapons etc. with stats, sorry this isn´t justifiable by any means.
Don't know man, I think it is justifiable. If someone wants to spend money to gain an advantage what's so wrong with that? I still don't see the big problem with p2w. I discovered onece I stopped comparing myself with others I am a much happier person. If someone spends $1000 is haopy, good for him. If he takes that same $1000 ship and crushes me I think it's the same as if a dude crushed me with the same ship that was earned with in game credits. I got crushed by a bad ace ship regardless, it's not real. And what kind of virtual ship you or I fly doesn't make us better or worse.
But I'm not a competitive person. I guess if you want to be number one I could see how someone could be irritated at p2w but still, its just a space game. I'm married and have 2 kids and I don't have the time to get my skills at the level of people who have more free time. I don't think that's unfair. Its just how life is. Noone will care 20 years from now who had the top arena commander score anyway. We'll be too busy playing the new Candy crush mmo
Originally posted by thundercles Don't know man, I think it is justifiable. If someone wants to spend money to gain an advantage what's so wrong with that? I still don't see the big problem with p2w. I discovered onece I stopped comparing myself with others I am a much happier person. If someone spends $1000 is haopy, good for him. If he takes that same $1000 ship and crushes me I think it's the same as if a dude crushed me with the same ship that was earned with in game credits. I got crushed by a bad ace ship regardless, it's not real. And what kind of virtual ship you or I fly doesn't make us better or worse. But I'm not a competitive person. I guess if you want to be number one I could see how someone could be irritated at p2w but still, its just a space game. I'm married and have 2 kids and I don't have the time to get my skills at the level of people who have more free time. I don't think that's unfair. Its just how life is. Noone will care 20 years from now who had the top arena commander score anyway. We'll be too busy playing the new Candy crush mmo
Thats a very good statement, I guess what we have to fear here are the following cases:
Case1: Star Citizen delivers and it's a great game - other Development Studios learn from this and we will have a wave of PayToWinAndCashShopBeforeGameRelease Projects - In the End the more wealthy persons would have an advantage before launch - This would destroy the MMO Game Spirit (Connect the games direct to your wallet)
Case2: Chris Roberts takes all the Money and buys himself an Island near India - The trust in Kickstarter Projects would be destroyed and all other Indie Game Studios have to suffer to reach any goal in the future (same situation if SC fails to deliver).
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
Discovering new systems and naming them ? Racing for being the first to find new stars/planets/aliens/artifacts/technology ?
for example ^This^ - Just reread what I have written and you should know what I mean with "the race" .
If I would know, i would not have asked. I guessed ... seems like I was correct.
IMHO that "race" for finding a jump point will be more decided by sheer luck and determination in working through the search grid than the number of ships in one's hangar. And the flying skill once it comes to navigating the jump for the first time.
we will have a wave of PayToWinAndCashShopBeforeGameRelease Projects
You mean ... like we had all those last years ? So .. nothing would change ?
Please give examples
e.g. H1Z1 Early Access and its equipment air drops for real world cash
Good to hear that you have accepted that SC is P2W by comparing it with H1Z1 (which is P2W) and don't spin your personal fairy tale around this marketing anymore.
And do you like the system in H1Z1? If not everyone who paid for this game got a full refund when they introduced P2W - and maybe they just realised how easy it is to milk the wales with P2W after they saw the success of Star Citizens "pledge"
(basically SOE is gone by now and the games have been bought by Columbus Nova which is an investment company - and they sent Daybreak to milk them)
But you said "In all those last years" this example is from 2015, you want to draw a picture where it seems that many of all MMOs where financed in this way, and this Sir, is just wrong.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it. The cake is a lie.
no matter how much one whines about p2w or not p2w the simple fact is that all of the ships currently available are going to be available when the game goes live. If you want an idris or Bengal then get a group of players, shut your mouths and go steal one. the whining is tedious. dont like it then go the hell away. If you think its P2W and you dont want to play it then back the F off. No one is forcing you to pay or play. the whining is getting monotonous.
I bought an Constellation and a 325A gave the 325A to a friend who couldnt afford a ship due to being laid off and hes loving it.
My pledge card states im in the low 42k of founders... so Its been a while since I started following the game. I have seen it through its development and have heard all the gripes and complaints about it being P2W to not being P2W.. simple fact:
A true P2W game gives advantage to those who can pay for the elite loot... as the ships are all available in the game after release it cannot be pay to win, and those who claim it is are just lazy. get over it.
Originally posted by thundercles Don't know man, I think it is justifiable. If someone wants to spend money to gain an advantage what's so wrong with that? I still don't see the big problem with p2w. I discovered onece I stopped comparing myself with others I am a much happier person. If someone spends $1000 is haopy, good for him. If he takes that same $1000 ship and crushes me I think it's the same as if a dude crushed me with the same ship that was earned with in game credits. I got crushed by a bad ace ship regardless, it's not real. And what kind of virtual ship you or I fly doesn't make us better or worse. But I'm not a competitive person. I guess if you want to be number one I could see how someone could be irritated at p2w but still, its just a space game. I'm married and have 2 kids and I don't have the time to get my skills at the level of people who have more free time. I don't think that's unfair. Its just how life is. Noone will care 20 years from now who had the top arena commander score anyway. We'll be too busy playing the new Candy crush mmo
Thats a very good statement, I guess what we have to fear here are the following cases:
Case1: Star Citizen delivers and it's a great game - other Development Studios learn from this and we will have a wave of PayToWinAndCashShopBeforeGameRelease Projects - In the End the more wealthy persons would have an advantage before launch - This would destroy the MMO Game Spirit (Connect the games direct to your wallet)
Case2: Chris Roberts takes all the Money and buys himself an Island near India - The trust in Kickstarter Projects would be destroyed and all other Indie Game Studios have to suffer to reach any goal in the future (same situation if SC fails to deliver).
LOL Chris Roberts has never Delivered what he promised. He is more interested in where the damn toilets are than creating an actual space station and universe to fly in. The Next Great Starship? What a joke. They judged those teams on how cool they could draw interiors not on how well the damn ship would fly in Engine. Look at what Roberts has promised in previous games and NEVER delivered. P2W how bout Pay to Freaking Finish the Damn Game he promised in the KS. They aren't even close to what they promised.
Where are the stations and Capital ships? This was not pitched as a Dogfighting sim. It was pitched as a Sandbox Universe with player Driven economies and Governments where you could Build, Mine, Pirate etc. This is not the game you are going to get.. So why you are talking about Pay 2 win baffles me. You should be talking about Hey ROBERTS DELIVER THE FREAKING GAME YOU PITCHED! The Last goal reached was Adding the Carrier class ship!
Quotes "You could be a trader, a miner or an industrial magnate. Amass great wealth or just run enough missions to earn a comfortable living and upgrades for your ship."
"From a vast 1km long carrier to a 27m fighter, to your 1.8m tall pilot, Everything is rendered and to the same level of detail. Zoom in to the paneling of the carrier and its texel density is the same as the 27m fighter. All without a load screen or loss of visual fidelity."
Wake up folks you paid for an eve like game and you got Wing COmmander 2 at best!
Comments
a) that number is what .. approx. 1 year old ? When AC came out in its most basic form and CIG reported some numbers once.
b) Not everyone is into playtesting
c) "expect some serious playtime stats" --> for the finished game after launch
Have fun
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
Oh so their heart only dictates orders to their cash while the game is in development (even though you can play part of it). It doesn't tell them to taste the game they've been giving so much money to... right?
I love all these rules that exist in this world of SC fanboyism. Everything is great and if it isn't just change the rules to make it great
..Cake..
If it is your impression that SC fans think "everything is great" you seriously have no idea how crowdfunding communities work.
We KNOW that NOT everything is great. Many of us ACTIVELY HELP to change that. To MAKE IT "GREAT" until game launch ...
Wether its playtesting, feedback, new ideas, fun stories or videos etc. ... the community together with the devs want to create the best thing possible.
Have fun
From what's been posted on here by the fans you would think that SC is the next great coming of "insert whatever deity you believe in". From things like how awesome this aspect of the game is(even though it cant be played yet) to how its a AAA game(even though its not released yet) and how the monetization model is just fine because its crowdfunding. If criticism is even brought up then the person is told how wrong they are and that they should stop pushing the anti-SC agenda. Keep in mind I am talking about these forums, although it does exist on the official forums as well.
Also way to only quote a part of what was said so that you can turn the argument your way to try to refute a point that wasn't made.
Since you think that all crowdfunding communities are the same, it's not me who doesn't know how they work.
Each crowdfunded game's community is different.
And you have provided critisism how? Every time someone critisizes something about SC, you jump on them to defend it. It doesn't matter how CIG does things, you will just agree with it or accept it. In the numerous topics we've exchanged opinions on SC, I don't remember a single time you critisizing anything about SC.
..Cake..
Have fun
the anti-SC posters are not talking, they are making either blatantly false statements because they are ignorant to any information that is out there, or they invent stuff that is simply not true, only motivated by general hate, jealousy or other reasons, I highly suspect publishers scared of the crowdfunding model)
I would be the FIRST to bash any pay2win game with overpowered "premium ammo", or super weapons only available for cash , or even worse other companies like ***** breaking one promise after the other.
CIG is none of this. CIG deserves the highest of respect and the more respect goes to the backers who pledged so much more to make this even happen. This game would NEVER exist without the backers and high rollers. So I say Thank you fellow backers
..Cake..
Yeah... not a cultist at all.
..Cake..
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When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
I just watched some Videos on SC and came to the same conclusion, it is p2w to a grade.
Imagine, there is an infinite race announced that will be held in about 2 years. Some of the participants have to start naked because they can not afford fancy stuff.
Others are equipped with biomechanical feet (jumpdrive, fuel capacity, etc) to be faster and they have longer times between rest phases, better arms (cargo hold) that they can carry stuff and prices around and better eyes (Radar) to see any obstacles in their way 2 times earlier.
In this race there are breakpoints and things to achieve like name a breakpoint or take other fancy stuff with you.
Now the race starts, and the result would be that the (rl) rich people are getting richer and are far away from the rest of the (poor) field. After 60h the poor may have aquired what the rich people had when they started, but the rich people due to be able to aquire things faster are now at least 60h away.
In the end maybe after 1-2 years all are on the same level but until then there will be a accomplishment gap.
This situation surely only exist on release, new players have to work from scratch but the system as it is planned, allows to buy some hassles away from your way.
So for me it looks like that it is a direct P2W, undoubtable this drives the most money to the game unlike i.e. GW2 (only cosmetics) or ArcheAge (indirect P2W you can just buy time safer not the equip)
Oh and as a side note: I don't think that it will be a release anytime near 2016, too many people have ticked the "I don't care if the game delays" option when they have been asked. On top of that, Mr Roberts is not known for holding deadlines - now that there is no pressure behind him the less.
Edit: Logic error in an explanation
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Could you explain a bit more what you mean with "there are breakpoints" ?? And what "race" ?
Do you mean jump-point ? Discovering new systems and naming them ? Racing for being the first to find new stars/planets/aliens/artifacts/technology ?
Have fun
for example ^This^ - Just reread what I have written and you should know what I mean with "the race" .
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Wow, donating blood is serious business, you seem to be a true fan of this game. But you should not mix up things. If you support the game with your hard earned money so that it can come to life one day is one thing. But if the company is selling donators, crowdfunders or whatever you would like to call them ingame power for money, that is p2w. If we don´t talk about things like alpha access or titles or cosmetic items as incentives for backers but instead ships, armor, weapons etc. with stats, sorry this isn´t justifiable by any means.
Don't know man, I think it is justifiable. If someone wants to spend money to gain an advantage what's so wrong with that? I still don't see the big problem with p2w. I discovered onece I stopped comparing myself with others I am a much happier person. If someone spends $1000 is haopy, good for him. If he takes that same $1000 ship and crushes me I think it's the same as if a dude crushed me with the same ship that was earned with in game credits. I got crushed by a bad ace ship regardless, it's not real. And what kind of virtual ship you or I fly doesn't make us better or worse.
But I'm not a competitive person. I guess if you want to be number one I could see how someone could be irritated at p2w but still, its just a space game. I'm married and have 2 kids and I don't have the time to get my skills at the level of people who have more free time. I don't think that's unfair. Its just how life is. Noone will care 20 years from now who had the top arena commander score anyway. We'll be too busy playing the new Candy crush mmo
Thats a very good statement, I guess what we have to fear here are the following cases:
Case1: Star Citizen delivers and it's a great game - other Development Studios learn from this and we will have a wave of PayToWinAndCashShopBeforeGameRelease Projects - In the End the more wealthy persons would have an advantage before launch - This would destroy the MMO Game Spirit (Connect the games direct to your wallet)
Case2: Chris Roberts takes all the Money and buys himself an Island near India - The trust in Kickstarter Projects would be destroyed and all other Indie Game Studios have to suffer to reach any goal in the future (same situation if SC fails to deliver).
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
You mean ... like we had all those last years ? So .. nothing would change ?
How about Case 3:
Star Citizen will be the game we hope for ... and the devs MAY ;-) keep their promise of not continuing the crowdfunding campaign after game launch.
Have fun
If I would know, i would not have asked. I guessed ... seems like I was correct.
IMHO that "race" for finding a jump point will be more decided by sheer luck and determination in working through the search grid than the number of ships in one's hangar. And the flying skill once it comes to navigating the jump for the first time.
Have fun
Please give examples
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
e.g. H1Z1 Early Access and its equipment air drops for real world cash
Have fun
Good to hear that you have accepted that SC is P2W by comparing it with H1Z1 (which is P2W) and don't spin your personal fairy tale around this marketing anymore.
And do you like the system in H1Z1? If not everyone who paid for this game got a full refund when they introduced P2W - and maybe they just realised how easy it is to milk the wales with P2W after they saw the success of Star Citizens "pledge"
(basically SOE is gone by now and the games have been bought by Columbus Nova which is an investment company - and they sent Daybreak to milk them)
But you said "In all those last years" this example is from 2015, you want to draw a picture where it seems that many of all MMOs where financed in this way, and this Sir, is just wrong.
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
no matter how much one whines about p2w or not p2w the simple fact is that all of the ships currently available are going to be available when the game goes live. If you want an idris or Bengal then get a group of players, shut your mouths and go steal one. the whining is tedious. dont like it then go the hell away. If you think its P2W and you dont want to play it then back the F off. No one is forcing you to pay or play. the whining is getting monotonous.
I bought an Constellation and a 325A gave the 325A to a friend who couldnt afford a ship due to being laid off and hes loving it.
My pledge card states im in the low 42k of founders... so Its been a while since I started following the game. I have seen it through its development and have heard all the gripes and complaints about it being P2W to not being P2W.. simple fact:
A true P2W game gives advantage to those who can pay for the elite loot... as the ships are all available in the game after release it cannot be pay to win, and those who claim it is are just lazy. get over it.
Played: UO, LotR, WoW, SWG, DDO, AoC, EVE, Warhammer, TF2, EQ2, SWTOR, TSW, CSS, KF, L4D, AoW, WoT
Playing: The Secret World until Citadel of Sorcery goes into Alpha testing.
Tired of: Linear quest games, dailies, and dumbed down games
Anticipating:Citadel of Sorcery
LOL Chris Roberts has never Delivered what he promised. He is more interested in where the damn toilets are than creating an actual space station and universe to fly in. The Next Great Starship? What a joke. They judged those teams on how cool they could draw interiors not on how well the damn ship would fly in Engine. Look at what Roberts has promised in previous games and NEVER delivered. P2W how bout Pay to Freaking Finish the Damn Game he promised in the KS. They aren't even close to what they promised.
Where are the stations and Capital ships? This was not pitched as a Dogfighting sim. It was pitched as a Sandbox Universe with player Driven economies and Governments where you could Build, Mine, Pirate etc. This is not the game you are going to get.. So why you are talking about Pay 2 win baffles me. You should be talking about Hey ROBERTS DELIVER THE FREAKING GAME YOU PITCHED! The Last goal reached was Adding the Carrier class ship!
Quotes "You could be a trader, a miner or an industrial magnate. Amass great wealth or just run enough missions to earn a comfortable living and upgrades for your ship."
"From a vast 1km long carrier to a 27m fighter, to your 1.8m tall pilot, Everything is rendered and to the same level of detail. Zoom in to the paneling of the carrier and its texel density is the same as the 27m fighter. All without a load screen or loss of visual fidelity."
Wake up folks you paid for an eve like game and you got Wing COmmander 2 at best!