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Massively considers destiny, LoL, world of tanks ... MMOs
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I guess the broadening of the term "MMO" continues.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/12/22/massivelys-mmo-guide-to-the-2014-winter-holidays/
and i quote "check out some of the MMORPG genre's winter holiday events and promotions, conveniently rounded up for you in our guide below. The list isn't exhaustive, so feel free to chime in with any we've missed that you love."
And what is included in the list? and i quote
"Destiny: "Be on the lookout for some small stocking stuffers sometime after the Holidays have come and gone."
"League of Legends: Snowdown brings sales and skins and new game modes to the biggest online game in the world."
"World of Tanks: Global maps on are ceasefire through the holidays!"
"World of Warplanes: A snowball mode has joined the game for the holiday season"
I bet they think MOBA and instanced pvp games are MMOs too.
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Massively has been reporting on such games for a long time. They have their "not so massively" column and they follow those games. To be fair I can see why they do. Games that are built around multiplayer have a wider audience than any strict definition you keep in regards to MMO or worse MMORPG. Even enthusiast such as ones on these forums bicker over the true meaning of these genres and many who play MMO's also play smaller multiplayer games.
Lets be real here too, it's not like they are covering games that aren't even multiplayer games like this site does from time to time. Atleast the games mentioned are still multiplayer centric.
So does this website.
I guess "MMO" is where the (ad)money is.
Actually this website should be far more offensive if he really has a problem with it but 20k post doesn't seem to suggest that.
I am not sure about World of Tanks or World of Planes (I have never looked into them or checked them out)... but I will not consider any online game designed like Destiny or League of Legends to be a MMORPG. A MMO maybe if we take the term and stretch it with an Electric Winch, but not a MMORPG.
Calling Destiny and League of Legends MMORPGs is like calling Seinfeld a Drama TV series instead of a SitCom. Does Seinfeld utilize drama? Yes, but it is primarily a SitCom and Comedy is what defines it as a TV Show.
Such games deserve their OWN Genre with it's own unique name. I understand millions enjoy them so why hasn't this happened yet?
Well, do the math, how many mmo's were released this year? Now how many are expected to "definitely" release next year?
Can an mmo site still stay in business with the news about a few mmo's all the while having forum goers continually argue over the same topics such as sandbox vs themepark, how games are being monetized and solo vs group play?
My guess is that is going to get old(er).
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Yes, because massively said all listed were mmorpg's, we must now confirm that league of legends and world of tanks aren't just MMO's but are in fact MMORPG's. Yes, you heard it here first, league of legends is an mmorpg and not a moba because Massively said so.
I better tell everyone on LoL forum that they are playing an mmorpg just like WoW.
The problem is one of terminology. All MMORPGS are MMOs but not all MMOS are MMORPGS. People who use the term MMO when they more specific MMORPG are aiding in the problem. Is it really that much harder to add RPG to MMO when you type?
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except it's a list of mixed types of "mmo's"
If they were to add the "rpg" then league of legends would be an "mmorpg" which it isn't.
So all of the games are massive, multiplayer and online. but not all of them get the rpg.
Volgore is implying that any game company with ad dollars gets to call its game an "mmo". But that's not really what's happening. I imagine the same with Massively though I really don't follow the site all that much.
There needs to be some branching out otherwise these sites are not going to survive on the piddley amount of mmorpg's coming out.
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I think Bill here on this site said it best when he called titles such as Destiny or LOL as "MMO-inspired", sums it up pretty well I think.
He also admitted, there really hasn't been much to talk about the past few years in the realm of MMORPG's, so they have to broaden their focus to cover a wider range of gaming genres.
It's true btw, OP is obsessed with redefining the genre and he scans the internet far and wide searching for other people who incorrectly use the terms MMO and MMORPG, yet no matter how hard he tries, it doesn't change the definition of what they really are, at least to those who truly understand the meaning of the terms.
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I don't care about these sites widening their coverage to games that aren't traditional MMO's. I don't even care that MMORPG.com covers single player games from time to time but I don't believe for a second that it's because there hasn't been much going on in the MMORPG world in the past few years. There has been more happening the past few years than there ever has been. There are more titles being launched than when I first came to this site almost a decade ago and I'm not just talking about all the crap no one ever had an interest in like the majority of the games list. Not only are more titles being launched but there are more MMO's already in existence to report on.
Anyway, like I said I don't really care about broadening their scopes but it's not because there isn't as much happening in the MMORPG world as there used to be.
Yeh .. tell them massively.com thinks so.
It looks like he is in total agreement with massively.com, and that broadening probably involves the term "mmo", at least over there at massively.com.
With all your distaste for people using the terms incorrectly, you do understand that Massively.com doesn't necessarily imply MMORPG? It implies MMO but not MMORPG, it's not like this site which specifically calls itself MMORPG.com
and i quote "check out some of the MMORPG genre's winter holiday events and promotions, conveniently rounded up for you in our guide below. The list isn't exhaustive, so feel free to chime in with any we've missed that you love."
Fair enough, I took you out of context. My bad.
Well said,I also noticed this many moons ago.I once wrote a similar post but ended up re reading it and decided I swore too much and deleted soon after I posted,not that I give a *^£*($ about getting banned lol. all the same nice post
In the end, does it really matter what terminology is actually used to describe multiplayer online games? MMORPG is a term that's use much like how Kleenex is used for facial tissue and Rollerblade is used for in-line skates. Words and terms often have their original meanings altered over time via use by the majority. Like the word "bad" can actually mean "good" when used as slang.
Another point to consider is how MMORPG are MMORPGs really are? Very little true role play is done anymore (aside from niche groups who enjoy that). Can't really consider most end games in many mmos "massive" since they are usually set to any range of 2-80 person instances depending on the content itself and the parameters of the game. Many mmos have been sarcastically called lobby games since you're often waiting around in a singular area waiting for a group to form...or be formed via lfg tools.
Even if you want to consider the open world in a typical mmo, how many others do you really come in contact with over the course of time? A few dozen actual meaningful interactions? Aside from that it's mostly two ships passing in the night taking little notice of each other.
Finally, do we really need a term for each and every different style of mmo to be adhered to? MMORPG and/or MMO are honestly good enough terms to describe any mmo or mmo inspired game.
Honestly I would find it useful if we were able to describe all the different kinds of MMO's and MMO inspired games. It'd help us communicate with each other better but we would have to accept the same definitions and I don't think there is a chance in hell that it'll happen. We come here to discuss games and I don't mind the scope broadening but it would be helpful to be able to distinguish between different types of games in a way that would be commonly accepted.
In the OPs defense that cause isn't helped when Massively and MMORPG start contributing to the devolution of the genres meaning from something that was once distinct to something that is ever broadening. I don't mind a wider coverage infact I'm in favour of it but I'd prefer to be able to use a word to mean something specific rather than vague where possible. It's just not going to happen and that particular fight is already lost.
It is a mix which is why it is more important to be specific when you mean mmorpg and not use mmo. How many varieties of apples are their? If you want to talk about Granny Smith Apples but just called them Apples that would get mixed in with all the other types. I think people are just being lazy saying MMO instead of MMORPG and shouldn't get their panties in a bunch when MMO means other things. To be a bit more clear: MMORTS, MMOFPS, MMORPGs are all MMOs.
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