Originally posted by Joeyjojoshabadu Riiight. Given the last two comments, it's clear the intellectual waters are too deep for me, so I'll get out of the pool now. I'll be over here teaching differential calculus to my cat. :-)
Great! This is hilarious. Next thing we'll see, are these self-proclaimed intellectuals who cannot get simple English Language definitions straight, posting debates about Quantum Physics and String Theory?
Now I've seen everything.
Physics makes a lot more sense than the english language.
You need to learn a language before you can learn Physics, (or Calculus) but you do not need to know Physics (or Calculus) in order to learn a language.
Joey, your argument about etymological evolution doesn't really apply here, because we're speaking about an acronym being used simply to garner some industry folks marketing and advertising cash.
"World of" Tanks was not coincidental. It was specifically named that to capitalize off of WoW's success. Same goes for the many other of these games using the MMO moniker. There isn't a communicative need to generalize the term; it does not make anything clearer, nor does it make the term more accurate. It creates redundancy and a lack of accuracy, actually. There is no benefit past those trying to capitalize on the acronym due to the success of a true MMORPG (WoW).
Games borrowing from genres has happened since the dawn of the industry; but Final Fantasy wasn't called a tabletop game to capitalize on the success of DnD. Because that would be silly, right?
Games borrowing from genres has happened since the dawn of the industry; but Final Fantasy wasn't called a tabletop game to capitalize on the success of DnD. Because that would be silly, right?
no .. that is because table top DnD is just not that successful compared to FF.
Borderland is called a FPS RPG .. i don't see them having a problem borrowing the term RPG.
I'm talking about the original release. Back before Final Fantasy was a huge franchise, and the majority of RPG players were on tabletop. Nice try, though.
Originally posted by MadFrenchie I'm talking about the original release. Back before Final Fantasy was a huge franchise, and the majority of RPG players were on tabletop. Nice try, though.
and at that time, tabletop was small compared to video games. That is already after the time CRPG (like ultima 4) has made it big. So why bother leaching off something that is not really that popular?
Nah, according to your logic they should all be called tabletop because that would just be a natural evolution according to the "common usage." Which, according to the situation in which you apply it, is analogous to: "whatever sells copies/brings in ad money, yo!"
Originally posted by MadFrenchie Nah, according to your logic they should all be called tabletop because that would just be a natural evolution according to the "common usage." Which, according to the situation in which you apply it, is analogous to: "whatever sells copies/brings in ad money, yo!"
nah .. you don't understand my logic at all. What common usage? I don't see any website, massively, superdata, or this place calling those games "tabletop". It is not "common usage" if no one is using it.
You will notice this place, massively, many reviews, superdata, newszoo are calling World of Tank a MMO. Now that is common usage.
Originally posted by MadFrenchie Nah, according to your logic they should all be called tabletop because that would just be a natural evolution according to the "common usage." Which, according to the situation in which you apply it, is analogous to: "whatever sells copies/brings in ad money, yo!"
nah .. you don't understand my logic at all. What common usage? I don't see any website, massively, superdata, or this place calling those games "tabletop". It is not "common usage" if no one is using it.
You will notice this place, massively, many reviews, superdata, newszoo are calling World of Tank a MMO. Now that is common usage.
So besides the common usage argument what makes World of Tanks a MMO?
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"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Originally posted by MadFrenchie Nah, according to your logic they should all be called tabletop because that would just be a natural evolution according to the "common usage." Which, according to the situation in which you apply it, is analogous to: "whatever sells copies/brings in ad money, yo!"
nah .. you don't understand my logic at all. What common usage? I don't see any website, massively, superdata, or this place calling those games "tabletop". It is not "common usage" if no one is using it.
You will notice this place, massively, many reviews, superdata, newszoo are calling World of Tank a MMO. Now that is common usage.
Nah, you just got thrown off by basic marketing. I think you genuinely believe this nonsense; that's why this is so funny and entertaining.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
All kidding aside, though, see post #106 by Pratt 2112.
Don't just pick a sentence, highlight it red, and then respond to that one little nugget. Take the bloody time to read the whole thing. He explains everything in detail, and why you are so off base with this.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Yes, it was kinda my point that RPGs aren't all called tabletops, as that would be silly and wouldn't provide any clarity or accuracy to the genre. About as silly as adding the word massively to any game that has multiplayer when we already have the term multiplayer.
Originally posted by MadFrenchie Yes, it was kinda my point that RPGs aren't all called tabletops, as that would be silly and wouldn't provide any clarity or accuracy to the genre. About as silly as adding the word massively to any game that has multiplayer when we already have the term multiplayer.
nah .. genre don't need clarity or accuracy .. it does not even "need" since it is not alive. What websites trying to peck themselves to the genre needs the genre to have enough stuff to be discussed, and enough people to be interested.
Hence, the broadening. It is clear that clairy, accuracy, and precise definition are not values of the industry.
Originally posted by Forgrimm You have a pathological obsession with broadening the definition of mmo's to the point where it's basically consumed your entire existence on these forums; over 20,000 posts and a good portion of them saying the same thing again and again and again. Not only does the topic cause you obvious distress, but it's disruptive to this community because it derails almost every thread that you post in. I'm saying this with all respect and sincerity, for your own benefit as well as this community's benefit: you need to find out why it is that you're so fixated on this topic and find a way to move on.
Exactly. If "Massively" said the sky was green, would that make it so?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
If World of Tanks is a MMO. Then Unreal Tournament and Halo are MMO too.
World of tanks is 30 players fighting each other in teams over and over.
They're not MMO, are people stupid or something.
People are not stupid ... they just don't care enough.
You can ask all the reviewers who call WoT a MMO, and all the websites, including this one.
Plus, this "if ... then" logic does not work ... it is just about an arbitrary common usage. If enough people call it a MMO, it is. There is nothing special in the label.
If World of Tanks is a MMO. Then Unreal Tournament and Halo are MMO too.
World of tanks is 30 players fighting each other in teams over and over.
They're not MMO, are people stupid or something.
People are not stupid. Are you new to this planet? ... they just don't care enough. You clearly care, so spare us the BS. People don't post about something several times a day that they don't care about.
You can ask all the reviewers who call WoT a MMO, and all the websites, including this one. This has already been explained to you many many times.
Plus, this "if ... then" logic does not work ... it is just about an arbitrary common usage. If enough people call it a MMO, it is. There is nothing special in the label.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I would probably consider Destiny an MMO. Only just but I think it is. You have pretty nice character creation with races and appearances, and you have to level up and gear up through campaigns before you can pvp at a decent level. Many vendors selling to all players in social hub...
It is an FPS game but also an MMO! I personally wouldn't play it though.
I would probably consider Destiny an MMO. Only just but I think it is. You have pretty nice character creation with races and appearances, and you have to level up and gear up through campaigns before you can pvp at a decent level. Many vendors selling to all players in social hub...
It is an FPS game but also an MMO! I personally wouldn't play it though.
Probably the same reasoning massively used to classify Destiny .. and they probably want to classify all the big games they can as "MMOs" so that there is more to cover.
You're beginning to reach quite far here, narius. Should probably just let this one die and create a new thread in a couple weeks so you cab rehash your first couple arguments.
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You need to learn a language before you can learn Physics, (or Calculus) but you do not need to know Physics (or Calculus) in order to learn a language.
"World of" Tanks was not coincidental. It was specifically named that to capitalize off of WoW's success. Same goes for the many other of these games using the MMO moniker. There isn't a communicative need to generalize the term; it does not make anything clearer, nor does it make the term more accurate. It creates redundancy and a lack of accuracy, actually. There is no benefit past those trying to capitalize on the acronym due to the success of a true MMORPG (WoW).
Games borrowing from genres has happened since the dawn of the industry; but Final Fantasy wasn't called a tabletop game to capitalize on the success of DnD. Because that would be silly, right?
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no .. that is because table top DnD is just not that successful compared to FF.
Borderland is called a FPS RPG .. i don't see them having a problem borrowing the term RPG.
and at that time, tabletop was small compared to video games. That is already after the time CRPG (like ultima 4) has made it big. So why bother leaching off something that is not really that popular?
nah .. you don't understand my logic at all. What common usage? I don't see any website, massively, superdata, or this place calling those games "tabletop". It is not "common usage" if no one is using it.
You will notice this place, massively, many reviews, superdata, newszoo are calling World of Tank a MMO. Now that is common usage.
So besides the common usage argument what makes World of Tanks a MMO?
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Nah, you just got thrown off by basic marketing. I think you genuinely believe this nonsense; that's why this is so funny and entertaining.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
All kidding aside, though, see post #106 by Pratt 2112.
Don't just pick a sentence, highlight it red, and then respond to that one little nugget. Take the bloody time to read the whole thing. He explains everything in detail, and why you are so off base with this.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
nah .. genre don't need clarity or accuracy .. it does not even "need" since it is not alive. What websites trying to peck themselves to the genre needs the genre to have enough stuff to be discussed, and enough people to be interested.
Hence, the broadening. It is clear that clairy, accuracy, and precise definition are not values of the industry.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
If World of Tanks is a MMO. Then Unreal Tournament and Halo are MMO too.
World of tanks is 30 players fighting each other in teams over and over.
They're not MMO, are people stupid or something.
People are not stupid ... they just don't care enough.
You can ask all the reviewers who call WoT a MMO, and all the websites, including this one.
Plus, this "if ... then" logic does not work ... it is just about an arbitrary common usage. If enough people call it a MMO, it is. There is nothing special in the label.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I would probably consider Destiny an MMO. Only just but I think it is. You have pretty nice character creation with races and appearances, and you have to level up and gear up through campaigns before you can pvp at a decent level. Many vendors selling to all players in social hub...
It is an FPS game but also an MMO! I personally wouldn't play it though.
As if the facts will change. But if you want to flog a dead horse, be my guest.
Probably the same reasoning massively used to classify Destiny .. and they probably want to classify all the big games they can as "MMOs" so that there is more to cover.
If enough folks call Metallica country, I'm guessing they'll start releasing covers of Johnny Cash singles? Please.
If enough folks tell you you're wrong, you're necessarily so.
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