I voted for the first time in this site a few days ago and here are some things i want to say.
Just by witnessing the stance some users are holding here. I've also been watching the comments here on this section and i've made some conclusions.
According to ESO voters :
A) Whenever there's a comment that bashes ESO (justified or not) from a supposed "ESO hater", it's always a true projection of how the LOTRO players or the ESO Haters are. The comment is 100% true and gets quoted by ESO players , to prove something. How superior is the ESO community to all their haters (for whatever reasons).
Whenever there's a good comment for LOTRO, Elder Scrolls supporters start saying things like "you can't be serious" , "OMG have you ever played ESO???".
C) Whenever there's a comment that presents part of the ESO community badly (see that comment that the guy said that he voted ESO and made multiple accounts to do so, and he forced his friends in his guild to do the same thing),ESO supporters, either didn't say a thing or there were people that quoted him and "Proved" he was trolling.
D) By the way when a comment that presents part of the LOTRO community badly those same users instantly quote his comment as something which is true and sincere. Everyone who doesn't like ESO after all is a hater and a peasant. (also see 1)
E) But when ESO supporters were complaining that "Lotro was getting a vote every 5 minutes...This is certain abuse of multiple voting". It is so weird that a game gets 1 vote every 5 minutes, but it's not the same for ESO... By the way where did you get the stats that it's 1 vote every 5 minutes? Is there a graph or a total counter that says how many votes each game has?
No? Well thought so.
ESO players have set it their personal crusade to prove how superior their game is. Well i'm sorry, but anyone with a decent IQ can understand your pretty sick gaps in logic and convenience arguments ("I take an assumption as fact, only when it's convenient for my ideology).
Keep it up. People are already talking seriously the possibilty of ESO becoming F2P (while Zenimax said quite the opposite all those years) and will become one more P2W fest .
Iselin, guard this vote with tooth and nail. If LOTRO surpasses ESO , Satan will eat our children...
Both companies have the same abilities to market as they see fit! if one chooses to rally its membership.. so what? ESO is simply letting its membership know whats going on not forcing us to vote. My vote is my vote.
Besides, why would blizzard even need to lift a finger and spend any extra dime on extra promo when they have the whole movie franchise and the last just hit for the holidays. LOL
I voted for the first time in this site a few days ago and here are some things i want to say.
Just by witnessing the stance some users are holding here. I've also been watching the comments here on this section and i've made some conclusions.
According to ESO voters :
A) Whenever there's a comment that bashes ESO (justified or not) from a supposed "ESO hater", it's always a true projection of how the LOTRO players or the ESO Haters are. The comment is 100% true and gets quoted by ESO players , to prove something. How superior is the ESO community to all their haters (for whatever reasons).
Whenever there's a good comment for LOTRO, Elder Scrolls supporters start saying things like "you can't be serious" , "OMG have you ever played ESO???".
C) Whenever there's a comment that presents part of the ESO community badly (see that comment that the guy said that he voted ESO and made multiple accounts to do so, and he forced his friends in his guild to do the same thing),ESO supporters, either didn't say a thing or there were people that quoted him and "Proved" he was trolling.
D) By the way when a comment that presents part of the LOTRO community badly those same users instantly quote his comment as something which is true and sincere. Everyone who doesn't like ESO after all is a hater and a peasant. (also see 1)
E) But when ESO supporters were complaining that "Lotro was getting a vote every 5 minutes...This is certain abuse of multiple voting". It is so weird that a game gets 1 vote every 5 minutes, but it's not the same for ESO... By the way where did you get the stats that it's 1 vote every 5 minutes? Is there a graph or a total counter that says how many votes each game has?
No? Well thought so.
ESO players have set it their personal crusade to prove how superior their game is. Well i'm sorry, but anyone with a decent IQ can understand your pretty sick gaps in logic and convenience arguments ("I take an assumption as fact, only when it's convenient for my ideology).
Keep it up. People are already talking seriously the possibilty of ESO becoming F2P (while Zenimax said quite the opposite all those years) and will become one more P2W fest .
Iselin, guard this vote with tooth and nail. If LOTRO surpasses ESO , Satan will eat our children...
Everyone has its own agenda... I bet you have one too
According to the size of his message, I guess it would be more like a bible.
Didn't check all the pages of this thread to see what was going on in it's entirety.
Is it really bad that i presented the hypocrisy of those people?
You have 2 instances of the same thing and they're treating each differently.
People are voting for LOTRO = Multiple account voting abuse
People are voting for ESO = Legitimate votes, each one cast by a single member of the ESO community.
It just happened that the 4-5 pages i read the comments had these points i posted before. And for some reason this distortion of logic was only done by ESO Guardians.
I'm really, utterly sorry mate, but from those 5 (maximum) pages i've read i did not see an "ESO Hater" picking convenience over truth like those people did.
And just to clear this out.
Saying "LOTRO is a bad game" or "ESO is a bad game" is an opinion. Even if not justified with further arguments i accept it as an opinion.
The thing i cannot accept is the self-righteousness and hypocrisy those people have.
It's like having your dog getting hit by 2 neighbours. The first neighbour is a white trash old lady, that you swear and call the police to arrest her and the 2nd one is a rich but sick old man that offers you gifs and you say "it's ok...keep kicking my dog , since you lend me your ferrari once a month!!".
In one case every notion of Evil (fraud in voting in our case) is dismissed, but on any other case this same Evil is being pointed out and given as a example to avoid (in our case it's called "vote of fraud and mischief").
Bottom Line : I'm not calling them biased. I'm calling them hypocrites.
It's hard to convey to anyone that hasn't played LotRO within the last 2-3 years(or never) just how far it's fallen from it's former glory. You'd be likely to write me off as just another hyperbolic poster on MMORPG.com than to believe what I'm saying.
Turbine/WB has pulled the majority of the game's funding, had numerous rounds of layoffs(and not the kind that always follows in the wake of an expansion, we're talking long-time devs here), and is now only providing the bare minimum of content to it's player base.
Then there's the issue of (thankfully now-former) Community Manager Rick "Sapience" Heaton, who was openly antagonistic and insulting to players, banning them from the official forums on a whim for the slightest murmurs of dissent- not trolling, just politely voicing opinions on the game's(obviously downwards) change in direction. He banned enough passionate players to fuel a rival forum - lotrocommunity.com - where disgruntled players had to flee to in order to even openly discuss the current state of LotRO. Go there and see what the consensus of LotRO is if you don't believe what I'm saying.
Worst of all, Sapience stated that only 10% of players actually ever raid or group. He(and his forum sycophants) reiterated it over and over as a way to say "$#@! off, you don't matter, go away" to anyone that still wanted to do new group content in LotRO. This was all an unprofessional attempt at defending LotRO's radically decreased budget that no longer has any room for anything but the bare minimum of single player storytelling.
And low budget single player storytelling is now all that we get out of Lord of the Rings Online. Imagine, years ago, what awesome raid you would've imagined that Turbine would someday provide for Shelob- the mythical spider queen that even people with a casual knowledge of Middle Earth are familiar with. In Turbine's current paradigm, Shelob is likely to be shown to us via nothing more than a Session Play as Samwise Gamgee. Yes, she's likely not to be a raid, not a 6-man, not even a freaking 3-man or solo encounter against this oh so iconic NPC. And some on the official forums(and even here) will defend it due to lore reasons. They don't give a flying $%#& if it's a fun game, just as long as it rigidly adheres to the old man's lore- and I say that as a life-long Tolkien fan.
Virtually everyone still playing has far too much time, money & love invested to walk away at this point. They will accept anything they're given at this point, and many have admitted to it. Let's not forget that a substantial number of the remaining playerbase are there strictly because of the IP. They aren't MMO players in the traditional sense. The people that are both MMO players AND Tolkien fans - like me - have largely moved on by this point, and not without a broken heart over how far this game has fallen from what it used to be.
The Mines of Moria expansion was regarded as one of the best MMO expansions of all time, but each successive release has been a little bit worse, and a little worse, and a little worse, until we were given Helm's Deep - an expansion with a radical reworking of all of the game's classes(which virtually everyone hated) and a new type of content called "Epic Battles" (an RTS-style system in which players manipulate siege equipment rather than fight as their actual characters) which too were almost universally loathed by the game's remaining players.
LotRO has a huge numbers of dead servers. Servers where the AH is essentially unusable, and where you'd have trouble getting a group together if you tried. It has approximately 30 servers, and only 4 of the NA ones have any real population left on them. Out of the English speaking EU servers, 3 are still kicking, but the smallest one apparently gets down to a mere 30 players in off-peak hours. Numbers are care of lotrocommunity.com.
Approximately 50% of LotRO's players quit the game as a result of the changes brought with the Helm's Deep expansion. It's been consistently compared to Star Wars Galaxies infamous NGE. Yes, MMORPG regulars, it really is that bad. And I'm far from the only person saying it.
Most of you have never actually played LotRO. Some of you did, but did so a long time ago. It's a game that doesn't currently deserve to be in a Final Match Up of MMOs by anyone that's actually familiar with it's current state. Sadly, even having it here in the finals unjustly validates Turbine's extreme levels of cost cutting and neglect.
Please Turbine, fund your game! Hire some of your developers back! Give us actual raids against Nazgul and Shelob!
Wow. I thought I was the author of this post it is almost 100% exactly what I would say about LOTRO! Except I didn't know about the bans or the community site, I will check that out.
I would only add my personal peeves to this post, which are that the new bear class makes lore-masters not worth playing anymore, letting every class have pets makes lore-masters not worth playing anymore, and the stupid idiotic skill-tree class changes really makes lore-masters not worth playing anymore. On top of that, the incredible load of bullshit statement that was "LOTRO's never really been a raiding game" makes the whole entire game not worth playing anymore. I don't even log in to pay my housing upkeep anymore....
I voted ESO in this round, and since I only ever played the beta it was indeed a vote against LOTRO.
Also, I voted TSW in all rounds. Combat isn't clunky at all, you just have to LEARN a different system is all. The game is entirely different and original, dark, modern, and very awesome and fun to play. I'm a founder, and to this day and for a long time to come I just really love playing TSW. (And I'm not even really very good at it haha!) If you're not voting for TSW, then you haven't given this game a chance. Try it and see
EVE, well I did try it, but it was more of a slide show at the time. Sounds like it has gotten better though.
HNY, and god you guys give it up with the whining about voting tactics, please. I have one account here and I voted with my one account. If you really want to spend time making 100 accounts for 100 more votes, more power to you.
I voted for the first time in this site a few days ago and here are some things i want to say.
Just by witnessing the stance some users are holding here. I've also been watching the comments here on this section and i've made some conclusions.
According to ESO voters :
A) Whenever there's a comment that bashes ESO (justified or not) from a supposed "ESO hater", it's always a true projection of how the LOTRO players or the ESO Haters are. The comment is 100% true and gets quoted by ESO players , to prove something. How superior is the ESO community to all their haters (for whatever reasons).
Whenever there's a good comment for LOTRO, Elder Scrolls supporters start saying things like "you can't be serious" , "OMG have you ever played ESO???".
C) Whenever there's a comment that presents part of the ESO community badly (see that comment that the guy said that he voted ESO and made multiple accounts to do so, and he forced his friends in his guild to do the same thing),ESO supporters, either didn't say a thing or there were people that quoted him and "Proved" he was trolling.
D) By the way when a comment that presents part of the LOTRO community badly those same users instantly quote his comment as something which is true and sincere. Everyone who doesn't like ESO after all is a hater and a peasant. (also see 1)
E) But when ESO supporters were complaining that "Lotro was getting a vote every 5 minutes...This is certain abuse of multiple voting". It is so weird that a game gets 1 vote every 5 minutes, but it's not the same for ESO... By the way where did you get the stats that it's 1 vote every 5 minutes? Is there a graph or a total counter that says how many votes each game has?
No? Well thought so.
ESO players have set it their personal crusade to prove how superior their game is. Well i'm sorry, but anyone with a decent IQ can understand your pretty sick gaps in logic and convenience arguments ("I take an assumption as fact, only when it's convenient for my ideology).
Keep it up. People are already talking seriously the possibilty of ESO becoming F2P (while Zenimax said quite the opposite all those years) and will become one more P2W fest .
Iselin, guard this vote with tooth and nail. If LOTRO surpasses ESO , Satan will eat our children...
You voted a few days ago? Your account was created today, so that's quite odd. As for the rest of your post some of it is true, but it also conveniently forgets the spite votes. People saying "My vote for LOTRO Isis a vote against ESO" or "I voted LOTRO because ESO is shitty" etc. That's definitely ESO hate, that's not really disputable.
I voted for the first time in this site a few days ago and here are some things i want to say.
You voted a few days ago? Your account was created today, so that's quite odd. As for the rest of your post some of it is true, but it also conveniently forgets the spite votes. People saying "My vote for LOTRO Isis a vote against ESO" or "I voted LOTRO because ESO is shitty" etc. That's definitely ESO hate, that's not really disputable.
I have to admit this was quite funny. I didnt read the rest of the OP because it said ESO too much unfortunately.
I voted for the first time in this site a few days ago and here are some things i want to say.
Just by witnessing the stance some users are holding here. I've also been watching the comments here on this section and i've made some conclusions.
According to ESO voters :
A) Whenever there's a comment that bashes ESO (justified or not) from a supposed "ESO hater", it's always a true projection of how the LOTRO players or the ESO Haters are. The comment is 100% true and gets quoted by ESO players , to prove something. How superior is the ESO community to all their haters (for whatever reasons).
Whenever there's a good comment for LOTRO, Elder Scrolls supporters start saying things like "you can't be serious" , "OMG have you ever played ESO???".
C) Whenever there's a comment that presents part of the ESO community badly (see that comment that the guy said that he voted ESO and made multiple accounts to do so, and he forced his friends in his guild to do the same thing),ESO supporters, either didn't say a thing or there were people that quoted him and "Proved" he was trolling.
D) By the way when a comment that presents part of the LOTRO community badly those same users instantly quote his comment as something which is true and sincere. Everyone who doesn't like ESO after all is a hater and a peasant. (also see 1)
E) But when ESO supporters were complaining that "Lotro was getting a vote every 5 minutes...This is certain abuse of multiple voting". It is so weird that a game gets 1 vote every 5 minutes, but it's not the same for ESO... By the way where did you get the stats that it's 1 vote every 5 minutes? Is there a graph or a total counter that says how many votes each game has?
No? Well thought so.
ESO players have set it their personal crusade to prove how superior their game is. Well i'm sorry, but anyone with a decent IQ can understand your pretty sick gaps in logic and convenience arguments ("I take an assumption as fact, only when it's convenient for my ideology).
Keep it up. People are already talking seriously the possibilty of ESO becoming F2P (while Zenimax said quite the opposite all those years) and will become one more P2W fest .
Iselin, guard this vote with tooth and nail. If LOTRO surpasses ESO , Satan will eat our children...
You voted a few days ago? Your account was created today, so that's quite odd. As for the rest of your post some of it is true, but it also conveniently forgets the spite votes. People saying "My vote for LOTRO Isis a vote against ESO" or "I voted LOTRO because ESO is shitty" etc. That's definitely ESO hate, that's not really disputable.
Good catch, lol. It makes sense because the most self-righteous twits are usually the ones hiding something.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
ESO hasn't been on the Top Voted Games Released on the homepage since it launched.
As of this contest it is and is climbing.
The last time a game company created accounts to push their game to number 1 MMORPG had to rewrite the math used.
Keep creating those accounts, you will get there.
Some people just watch too much conspiracy crap on tv lol, others are just children who hate 'losing'. Why not try being gracious and enjoy the wait to see if your top choice out of ESO and LOTR wins - they are both great games.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
ESO is just really good these days. I love the devs
My vote for eso then in bronze TSW
Oh look, another new pro ESO account. That puts it over 50 new accounts created voting for ESO. Obviously nothing funky going on here.....rolls eyes.
Should at least make one of them female...stop being lazy with the vote stuffing.
Better the new guys than some tired old haters that just keep spewing bile... just saying.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I voted for the first time in this site a few days ago and here are some things i want to say.
Just by witnessing the stance some users are holding here. I've also been watching the comments here on this section and i've made some conclusions.
According to ESO voters :
A) Whenever there's a comment that bashes ESO (justified or not) from a supposed "ESO hater", it's always a true projection of how the LOTRO players or the ESO Haters are. The comment is 100% true and gets quoted by ESO players , to prove something. How superior is the ESO community to all their haters (for whatever reasons).
Whenever there's a good comment for LOTRO, Elder Scrolls supporters start saying things like "you can't be serious" , "OMG have you ever played ESO???".
C) Whenever there's a comment that presents part of the ESO community badly (see that comment that the guy said that he voted ESO and made multiple accounts to do so, and he forced his friends in his guild to do the same thing),ESO supporters, either didn't say a thing or there were people that quoted him and "Proved" he was trolling.
D) By the way when a comment that presents part of the LOTRO community badly those same users instantly quote his comment as something which is true and sincere. Everyone who doesn't like ESO after all is a hater and a peasant. (also see 1)
E) But when ESO supporters were complaining that "Lotro was getting a vote every 5 minutes...This is certain abuse of multiple voting". It is so weird that a game gets 1 vote every 5 minutes, but it's not the same for ESO... By the way where did you get the stats that it's 1 vote every 5 minutes? Is there a graph or a total counter that says how many votes each game has?
No? Well thought so.
ESO players have set it their personal crusade to prove how superior their game is. Well i'm sorry, but anyone with a decent IQ can understand your pretty sick gaps in logic and convenience arguments ("I take an assumption as fact, only when it's convenient for my ideology).
Keep it up. People are already talking seriously the possibilty of ESO becoming F2P (while Zenimax said quite the opposite all those years) and will become one more P2W fest .
Iselin, guard this vote with tooth and nail. If LOTRO surpasses ESO , Satan will eat our children...
You voted a few days ago? Your account was created today, so that's quite odd. As for the rest of your post some of it is true, but it also conveniently forgets the spite votes. People saying "My vote for LOTRO Isis a vote against ESO" or "I voted LOTRO because ESO is shitty" etc. That's definitely ESO hate, that's not really disputable.
Good catch, lol. It makes sense because the most self-righteous twits are usually the ones hiding something.
Thanks God we have RegularPriest to bring light to the darkness and unveiling the wicked.
I dont know if I laughed harder with the post itself or with the dates catch.
I voted ESO for several reasons. I dont engage in all the negative waves. Its a fun game, looks good with my system, is just deep and complex enough to be interesting, and not so cumbersome as to slow anything down. What I like are what many people dislike, and vice-versa. So posting pro/cons is, imho, a waste of time.
Much respect to the producers of ESO. Thank you!
I voted TSW for different reasons. I like the story, I like the art, and I like the system. What else do ya need?
I had alot of fun playing EVE, but I had more fun playing TSW.
If there is anything to take away from this, it is that ESO and TSW deserve second looks. I dismissed ESO originally because of the terrible launch, and that I simply didn't think they would be able to do what they were attempting to. I left TSW earlier because I disliked the combat too much to keep going.
After seeing how many people love these games though, I have already started playing ESO and will soon be playing TSW also. I can see ESO certainly deserves the praise it is getting here and I am excited to see where TSW is at now.
I will check out LoTRO too, of course. It has been over a year since I last played it.
I will get around to checking out EvE again too, but it has been far less than a year since I last played it.
I hope other people are giving these games another look as well. One is buy to play and one is free to play, so not really any reason to not see what the communities are excited about.
If there is anything to take away from this, it is that ESO and TSW deserve second looks. I dismissed TSO originally because of the terrible launch, and that I simply didn't think they would be able to do what they were attempting to. I left TSW earlier because I disliked the combat too much to keep going.
After seeing how many people love these games though, I have already started playing ESO and will soon be playing TSW also. I can see ESO certainly deserves the praise it is getting here and I am excited to see where TSW is at now.
I will check out LoTRO too, of course. It has been over a year since I last played it.
I will get around to checking out EvE again too, but it has been far less than a year since I last played it.
I hope other people are giving these games another look as well. One is buy to play and one is free to play, so not really any reason to not see what the communities are excited about.
Originally posted by Athisar Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that LOTRO has a lot of dedicated players and a strong community who are happy to vote for it, with forum support and people posting in game to vote? Or that it's actually a good game?
Anything is possible but then again....
In the past year ESO had 6,426,661 unique hits in this site, the second most was Wildstar around 3 Mil and on down to Neverwinter @ #10 with just over 1 Mil... LOTRO is somewhere below that because they only publish the top 10. And those are just hits... positive, negative or indifferent.
So yeah, whether you like LOTRO or not, this is an ESO yay or nay vote.
LOTRO in its first year would have had many more hits as well. It's an old game that's had very little news in the past year. Hits on here mean nothing about how good a game is or its player base.
i agree it doesnt give evidence of a games quality. but it does give an indication of popularity.
you have to admit there is something else going on when u look at the difference between ESO at 1. and WS at 2.
Originally posted by Athisar Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that LOTRO has a lot of dedicated players and a strong community who are happy to vote for it, with forum support and people posting in game to vote? Or that it's actually a good game?
Anything is possible but then again....
In the past year ESO had 6,426,661 unique hits in this site, the second most was Wildstar around 3 Mil and on down to Neverwinter @ #10 with just over 1 Mil... LOTRO is somewhere below that because they only publish the top 10. And those are just hits... positive, negative or indifferent.
So yeah, whether you like LOTRO or not, this is an ESO yay or nay vote.
LOTRO in its first year would have had many more hits as well. It's an old game that's had very little news in the past year. Hits on here mean nothing about how good a game is or its player base.
i agree it doesnt give evidence of a games quality. but it does give an indication of popularity.
you have to admit there is something else going on when u look at the difference between ESO at 1. and WS at 2.
it seems good and bad press = popularity.
Or that drama = popularity. People stop to look at car wrecks. If two people get into a fight in the middle of the street a crowd gathers to watch. Cops come and arrest someone in public, suddenly everyone wants to see. Doesn't make any of the people involved better liked.
I came to ESO after 4 years at LOTRO (where yes, they often asked me to cast a vote for them). LOTRO took so much money I can't even count it all. And they didn't even have to write their own mythology.
In contrast, ESO gives me everything for the sub price, and has never asked for more money. They just keep giving me more. And the game is so much more beautiful, and full of GREAT original stories.
I logged into LOTRO after monthes away only to be told I needed to buy another part of the game. So I logged out. I will never get caught in LOTRO's money trap again.
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This post wasn't biased at all.
Both companies have the same abilities to market as they see fit! if one chooses to rally its membership.. so what? ESO is simply letting its membership know whats going on not forcing us to vote. My vote is my vote.
Besides, why would blizzard even need to lift a finger and spend any extra dime on extra promo when they have the whole movie franchise and the last just hit for the holidays. LOL
According to the size of his message, I guess it would be more like a bible.
Didn't check all the pages of this thread to see what was going on in it's entirety.
Is it really bad that i presented the hypocrisy of those people?
You have 2 instances of the same thing and they're treating each differently.
People are voting for LOTRO = Multiple account voting abuse
People are voting for ESO = Legitimate votes, each one cast by a single member of the ESO community.
It just happened that the 4-5 pages i read the comments had these points i posted before. And for some reason this distortion of logic was only done by ESO Guardians.
I'm really, utterly sorry mate, but from those 5 (maximum) pages i've read i did not see an "ESO Hater" picking convenience over truth like those people did.
And just to clear this out.
Saying "LOTRO is a bad game" or "ESO is a bad game" is an opinion. Even if not justified with further arguments i accept it as an opinion.
The thing i cannot accept is the self-righteousness and hypocrisy those people have.
It's like having your dog getting hit by 2 neighbours. The first neighbour is a white trash old lady, that you swear and call the police to arrest her and the 2nd one is a rich but sick old man that offers you gifs and you say "it's ok...keep kicking my dog , since you lend me your ferrari once a month!!".
In one case every notion of Evil (fraud in voting in our case) is dismissed, but on any other case this same Evil is being pointed out and given as a example to avoid (in our case it's called "vote of fraud and mischief").
Bottom Line : I'm not calling them biased. I'm calling them hypocrites.
Wow. I thought I was the author of this post it is almost 100% exactly what I would say about LOTRO! Except I didn't know about the bans or the community site, I will check that out.
I would only add my personal peeves to this post, which are that the new bear class makes lore-masters not worth playing anymore, letting every class have pets makes lore-masters not worth playing anymore, and the stupid idiotic skill-tree class changes really makes lore-masters not worth playing anymore. On top of that, the incredible load of bullshit statement that was "LOTRO's never really been a raiding game" makes the whole entire game not worth playing anymore. I don't even log in to pay my housing upkeep anymore....
I voted ESO in this round, and since I only ever played the beta it was indeed a vote against LOTRO.
Also, I voted TSW in all rounds. Combat isn't clunky at all, you just have to LEARN a different system is all. The game is entirely different and original, dark, modern, and very awesome and fun to play. I'm a founder, and to this day and for a long time to come I just really love playing TSW. (And I'm not even really very good at it haha!) If you're not voting for TSW, then you haven't given this game a chance. Try it and see
EVE, well I did try it, but it was more of a slide show at the time. Sounds like it has gotten better though.
HNY, and god you guys give it up with the whining about voting tactics, please. I have one account here and I voted with my one account. If you really want to spend time making 100 accounts for 100 more votes, more power to you.
Just make sure it is for TSW
You voted a few days ago? Your account was created today, so that's quite odd. As for the rest of your post some of it is true, but it also conveniently forgets the spite votes. People saying "My vote for LOTRO Isis a vote against ESO" or "I voted LOTRO because ESO is shitty" etc. That's definitely ESO hate, that's not really disputable.
I have to admit this was quite funny. I didnt read the rest of the OP because it said ESO too much unfortunately.
Good catch, lol. It makes sense because the most self-righteous twits are usually the ones hiding something.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
ESO is just really good these days. I love the devs
My vote for eso then in bronze TSW
Some people just watch too much conspiracy crap on tv lol, others are just children who hate 'losing'. Why not try being gracious and enjoy the wait to see if your top choice out of ESO and LOTR wins - they are both great games.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Better the new guys than some tired old haters that just keep spewing bile... just saying.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
May be all new accounts should be discounted.One way to be sure.
Thanks God we have RegularPriest to bring light to the darkness and unveiling the wicked.
I dont know if I laughed harder with the post itself or with the dates catch.
Except that doing this would negate a large point of the "contest," certainly from the site management / owners' point of view.
Perrhaps its because there is a thread on offical forums regarding this contest ?
Everything can be exolaind with logic if you take a moment and think.
Then you fail twice.
I voted ESO for several reasons. I dont engage in all the negative waves. Its a fun game, looks good with my system, is just deep and complex enough to be interesting, and not so cumbersome as to slow anything down. What I like are what many people dislike, and vice-versa. So posting pro/cons is, imho, a waste of time.
Much respect to the producers of ESO. Thank you!
I voted TSW for different reasons. I like the story, I like the art, and I like the system. What else do ya need?
I had alot of fun playing EVE, but I had more fun playing TSW.
If there is anything to take away from this, it is that ESO and TSW deserve second looks. I dismissed ESO originally because of the terrible launch, and that I simply didn't think they would be able to do what they were attempting to. I left TSW earlier because I disliked the combat too much to keep going.
After seeing how many people love these games though, I have already started playing ESO and will soon be playing TSW also. I can see ESO certainly deserves the praise it is getting here and I am excited to see where TSW is at now.
I will check out LoTRO too, of course. It has been over a year since I last played it.
I will get around to checking out EvE again too, but it has been far less than a year since I last played it.
I hope other people are giving these games another look as well. One is buy to play and one is free to play, so not really any reason to not see what the communities are excited about.
Edit: I fixed typo
the most sensible post so far
here here!
i agree it doesnt give evidence of a games quality. but it does give an indication of popularity.
you have to admit there is something else going on when u look at the difference between ESO at 1. and WS at 2.
it seems good and bad press = popularity.
Or that drama = popularity. People stop to look at car wrecks. If two people get into a fight in the middle of the street a crowd gathers to watch. Cops come and arrest someone in public, suddenly everyone wants to see. Doesn't make any of the people involved better liked.
I came to ESO after 4 years at LOTRO (where yes, they often asked me to cast a vote for them). LOTRO took so much money I can't even count it all. And they didn't even have to write their own mythology.
In contrast, ESO gives me everything for the sub price, and has never asked for more money. They just keep giving me more. And the game is so much more beautiful, and full of GREAT original stories.
I logged into LOTRO after monthes away only to be told I needed to buy another part of the game. So I logged out. I will never get caught in LOTRO's money trap again.