I don't think they had a choice in the matter. They knew that the console launch couldn't require a subscription. It would have massively hurt their sales. So launching a console without requiring a sub fee would have messed up the PC community so naturally they had to cancel it. It was brilliant money making because they probably planned this from the beginning.
Originally posted by DMKano I love it. ESO was actually going to be a B2p game from the start but it was over ruled by a handful of upper execs at Zenimax. The vast majority of ZoS devs wanted it to be B2P at launch.
Really? Source?
I think he already proved he knows people inside, doesn't have to give us names ...
So suddenly everything Kano says should be taken as the gospel truth? Ok.
No, you can just believe it or not but asking for proof gets annoying. Especially knowing that he probably cannot say who his sources are since they most likely aren't allowed to talk about intern stuff.
Posting information without citing a source is just spreading rumors. For all we know, it was a random guess on his part and he just jumped on the rumor treadmill that has been all over numerous sites for the past few months.
If his "source" is not allowed to talk about this stuff, I think his "source" might find it quite unacceptable that he is parading the forums with this information since it could get him in trouble.
Originally posted by filmoret I don't think they had a choice in the matter. They knew that the console launch couldn't require a subscription. It would have massively hurt their sales. So launching a console without requiring a sub fee would have messed up the PC community so naturally they had to cancel it. It was brilliant money making because they probably planned this from the beginning.
Yeh, I'm pretty sure they have known this for a while. I doubt they decided a b2p switch just recently. I'm willing to bet at least as far back as the announcement of console delays. Thus, the console delays.
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I like the TSW model where the DLC is the same as 1 months worth or currency. Also if the DLC includes the gear its either stay subed or loose everything. That's why I quit EQ2 for good, took a few months off, checked back and there was not 1 thing in any or my toons inventory that I could use unless I paid for each item or re-subbed. Never looked back. At least in SWTOR you keep everything you earned if you drop back in.
Originally posted by DMKano I love it. ESO was actually going to be a B2p game from the start but it was over ruled by a handful of upper execs at Zenimax. The vast majority of ZoS devs wanted it to be B2P at launch.
I agree that this was very likely. It was never a good match for a required monthly sub, and it really felt shoehorned. If they had gone B2P to start, there would have been less commentary about how it would be going F2P, as it would have shown that they at least understood their game and the market.
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Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership
Exclusive character progression bonuses for the duration of membership
10% bonus to experience point gain
10% bonus to crafting research
10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
10% bonus to gold acquisition
I like the TSW model where the DLC is the same as 1 months worth or currency. Also if the DLC includes the gear its either stay subed or loose everything. That's why I quit EQ2 for good, took a few months off, checked back and there was not 1 thing in any or my toons inventory that I could use unless I paid for each item or re-subbed. Never looked back. At least in SWTOR you keep everything you earned if you drop back in.
No you don't loose the gear if you let your sub lapse:
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No. You will lose access to the DLC areas and quests should your membership lapse (unless you purchase the DLC separately in the Crown Store), but you will keep all items and rewards earned through the content.
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Originally posted by Lazarus71 I could care less, I will continue to enjoy the game regardless.
Except now we can expect content and bug fixes on a glacial pace. It only took GW2 what 2 years to start hinting at a expansion (actual content update of worth)
Also can't wait to see the nickel and diming in the cash shop they will put in will also be were 90% of their development resources will be heading.
Originally posted by MisterZebub Voted don't care. I personally have a hate-on for this game. If they'd just made their own franchise instead of tarnishing the name of the Elder Scrolls I might feel differently. However they didn't so I don't. They could take this game and its makers, pack them into a rocket and fire it up the anus of a giant and I still wouldn't feel it had been punished enough.
3+ months after the change, be ready for exclusive pay walls. I can see DLC content such as dungeons + awesome gear/weapons that drops in those; or "Our healer can't join us because he doesn't have the DLC". And by the way, those who pre-order and/or bought Imperial Edition with horse pay wall just to beta test the game are getting the shaft. I guess if these peeps like the game much, they may save whatever "crowns" they get and hopefully they can spend it in something "worth it".
I am still waiting for either a necromancer class or skill line based on it. Once that's in, I return. This is no TES without a necro class/character.
B2P.. not sure it can be classed as that, more of a F2P/P2P hybrid with a box price, GW2 uses a totally different method afaik, unless they have also added a subscription option
However, there is a huge up side for Zenimax from this, they can now, truthfully say they have X amount of active accounts, because all the lapsed/cancelled/unsubscribed accounts can now be considered as being reactivated! Bonus!!
As long as they keep it to buying new content or using the optional sub, and only have cosmetics int the shop, all for it. But i will be royally pissed if they start selling lockboxes or endgame gear.
Also this is another reason for me to buy an xbone rather than upgradng my pc.
Originally posted by Senden Been keeping an eye on this game the last few weeks and seeing what they've done since it's release and have planned for the future really had me excited and I was so tempted to give it another go. Still, my inner cynic was thinking that maybe these updates were only going to last until the console version comes out and then they'll downsize. Now B2P doesn't necessarily mean things will change in the short term but it's hardly encouraging in my eyes. Hopefully things will work out but I don't see the game doing well on consoles anyway, anyone who buys it expecting an Elder Scrolls game is going to be in for a shock.
I suspect they will keep most of their employees till sometime after the consul release, (they do still have to start making lock boxes and pretty ponies for their cash shop) After a few months they will start the major downsizing just like SWTOR did when it went F2P. In a year or two people will be begging for any real new content just like GW2 and they'll think about a expansion
IMO its a greedy move I think they always planed. I called this when they first announced P2P and launching PC first. I knew then they would milk PC gamers till they were ready for a console release and then switch to B2P. Pure console gamers do not do P2P very well. My vote would be, "not shocked but sickened". As I dont see this game as an MMO, my wife and I struggled with this game trying to play it teamed. Even reg quests were not team friendly. I will buy this when it goes B2P, as a single player game. Just to play when my wife is not around.
Canceled my sub. If the cash shop is not like every other cash shop I might drop in. But I doubt it.
There are plenty of other games on the horizon (e.g. Pillars of Eternity in March), and I will not support microtransaction games in any way, shape, or form. Don't regret the money that I spent - and didn't hesitate even a second in hitting the cancel button.
I have mixed feelings. The sub was basically why I loved the game. Everyone is subbed, everyone is on equal terms. I'll see how it plays out, I shouldn't judge it until I play the game in that manner. I mean, the population boost will be awesome, we'll see if it is worth t.
ESO is a great game and I hope this shed's light to the game in a good manner.
A shame imo. Although they may do a good job on adding new content to the game as mini-expansions which would be a great B2P model like the original GW, I have a feeling it's going to go downhill. Something about money makes people lazy, you'd think it would be the other way around, but the best products come from those who are passionate. As soon as the money becomes too good (if we're honest, ESO is about to make a ton of money here), it pushes out motivation and passion. It just becomes about finding more ways to get money.
B2P worst option for PC. Especially after they just had multiple sales of less than 20 bux per box. So other than guys wanting multiple accounts I dont see the draw for people to buy a PC version. Because I suspect the hold outs all bought copies this past month.
But it was a month delay from what most of us thought would be the F2P transition.
I suspect had both Sony and Xbox waived the sub fee for both console versions they would have tried to milk another year of subs. There are still a ton of people in the game on all continents. But they couldnt get both of them to do it. They want to release the console version and thus are compromising. But since they cant really go full on free to play (because they want console money) they went with B2P. The only thing I dont get is why they had a sale on them so close to the transition. Doesnt make economical sense for them. Unless they think guys who bought cheap will spend the extra 15 or 30 bux to gain a few more crowns or whatever they will be getting for subbing. I dont plan on doing it myself, my sub runs out Jan 30 I will let it lapse and go from there.
We will have to see how they handle the updates, DLC, and any expansions going forward. That will be the most intersting thing about all this.
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Posting information without citing a source is just spreading rumors. For all we know, it was a random guess on his part and he just jumped on the rumor treadmill that has been all over numerous sites for the past few months.
If his "source" is not allowed to talk about this stuff, I think his "source" might find it quite unacceptable that he is parading the forums with this information since it could get him in trouble.
Yeh, I'm pretty sure they have known this for a while. I doubt they decided a b2p switch just recently. I'm willing to bet at least as far back as the announcement of console delays. Thus, the console delays.
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Will have to wait and see how it works:
I agree that this was very likely. It was never a good match for a required monthly sub, and it really felt shoehorned. If they had gone B2P to start, there would have been less commentary about how it would be going F2P, as it would have shown that they at least understood their game and the market.
No you don't loose the gear if you let your sub lapse:
No. You will lose access to the DLC areas and quests should your membership lapse (unless you purchase the DLC separately in the Crown Store), but you will keep all items and rewards earned through the content.
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Two questions:
1.When does the free to play begin on pc?
2.Do you think pc will get full controller support since console versions are coming out as well?
Reminds me of all the ESO fans who insulted Kano and all those who speculated that the game would go B2P.
Except now we can expect content and bug fixes on a glacial pace. It only took GW2 what 2 years to start hinting at a expansion (actual content update of worth)
Also can't wait to see the nickel and diming in the cash shop they will put in will also be were 90% of their development resources will be heading.
Oh well all things die
My hats off to Kano, I was wrong. Crow taste crunchy
Honesty is always refreshing on these forums
3+ months after the change, be ready for exclusive pay walls. I can see DLC content such as dungeons + awesome gear/weapons that drops in those; or "Our healer can't join us because he doesn't have the DLC". And by the way, those who pre-order and/or bought Imperial Edition with horse pay wall just to beta test the game are getting the shaft. I guess if these peeps like the game much, they may save whatever "crowns" they get and hopefully they can spend it in something "worth it".
I am still waiting for either a necromancer class or skill line based on it. Once that's in, I return. This is no TES without a necro class/character.
B2P.. not sure it can be classed as that, more of a F2P/P2P hybrid with a box price, GW2 uses a totally different method afaik, unless they have also added a subscription option
However, there is a huge up side for Zenimax from this, they can now, truthfully say they have X amount of active accounts, because all the lapsed/cancelled/unsubscribed accounts can now be considered as being reactivated! Bonus!!
As long as they keep it to buying new content or using the optional sub, and only have cosmetics int the shop, all for it. But i will be royally pissed if they start selling lockboxes or endgame gear.
Also this is another reason for me to buy an xbone rather than upgradng my pc.
I suspect they will keep most of their employees till sometime after the consul release, (they do still have to start making lock boxes and pretty ponies for their cash shop) After a few months they will start the major downsizing just like SWTOR did when it went F2P. In a year or two people will be begging for any real new content just like GW2 and they'll think about a expansion
I think, and hope, that the game does a lot better.
It seems like payment options where you're "forced" to pay to play aren't doing so hot nowadays, what a surprise (not).
So, yeah, B2P is a good start, and it'll probably end up making more money than they will with the monthly subscription forced on players.
Not seeing any benefit myself, may unsubscribe when sub comes due.
Canceled my sub. If the cash shop is not like every other cash shop I might drop in. But I doubt it.
There are plenty of other games on the horizon (e.g. Pillars of Eternity in March), and I will not support microtransaction games in any way, shape, or form. Don't regret the money that I spent - and didn't hesitate even a second in hitting the cancel button.
I have mixed feelings. The sub was basically why I loved the game. Everyone is subbed, everyone is on equal terms. I'll see how it plays out, I shouldn't judge it until I play the game in that manner. I mean, the population boost will be awesome, we'll see if it is worth t.
ESO is a great game and I hope this shed's light to the game in a good manner.
B2P worst option for PC. Especially after they just had multiple sales of less than 20 bux per box. So other than guys wanting multiple accounts I dont see the draw for people to buy a PC version. Because I suspect the hold outs all bought copies this past month.
But it was a month delay from what most of us thought would be the F2P transition.
I suspect had both Sony and Xbox waived the sub fee for both console versions they would have tried to milk another year of subs. There are still a ton of people in the game on all continents. But they couldnt get both of them to do it. They want to release the console version and thus are compromising. But since they cant really go full on free to play (because they want console money) they went with B2P. The only thing I dont get is why they had a sale on them so close to the transition. Doesnt make economical sense for them. Unless they think guys who bought cheap will spend the extra 15 or 30 bux to gain a few more crowns or whatever they will be getting for subbing. I dont plan on doing it myself, my sub runs out Jan 30 I will let it lapse and go from there.
We will have to see how they handle the updates, DLC, and any expansions going forward. That will be the most intersting thing about all this.