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superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871

I discovered something in the FAQ:

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/home?region=US

 

30-day Membership:

  • 1500 crowns at the start of each 30-day membership period
  • Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership
  • Exclusive character progression bonuses for the duration of membership
    • 10% bonus to experience point gain
    • 10% bonus to crafting research
    • 10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
    • 10% bonus to gold acquisition

90-day Membership:

  • 4500  crowns at the start of each 90-day membership period
  • Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership
  • Exclusive character progression bonuses for the duration of membership
    • 10% bonus to experience point gain
    • 10% bonus to crafting research
    • 10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
    • 10% bonus to gold acquisition

180-day Membership:

  • 9000 crowns at the start of each 180-day membership period
  • Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership
  • Exclusive character progression bonuses for the duration of membership
    • 10% bonus to experience point gain
    • 10% bonus to crafting research
    • 10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
    • 10% bonus to gold acquisition
 
Don't know about you but this looks way worse than offering an exclusive horse with an imperial edition.
Smell like P2W to you?

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Comments

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    As long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
  • delta9delta9 Member UncommonPosts: 358
    Originally posted by superconducting

     

     
    Smell like P2W to you?

    No, that isn't p2w

  • HermodHermod Member UncommonPosts: 35
    Or it could be a thank-you for paying the wages for the people that spend a lot of time making the game.
  • Charlie.CheswickCharlie.Cheswick Member UncommonPosts: 469
    How do you win TESO? Become emperor?
    -Chuckles
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843

    This was announced day. ESO has a lot of subs OP. I'm sure they want to keep them as subs. 

     

    In all honesty OP Idk if those 10% are enough to keep my sub. The 10% to inspiration maybe, but idk. 

  • superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871
    Originally posted by doodphace
    As long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.

    Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.

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  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member LegendaryPosts: 10,901
    LOL not P2W
  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989

    Buried in the FAQ? I knew/hear about it as soon as it was announced. Quit trying to stir up ever more BS about this please.

     

    Has nothing to do with P2W either. Quite a few P2P games that switched over do this same very thing.

    "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."

  • superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871
    Originally posted by Hermod
    Or it could be a thank-you for paying the wages for the people that spend a lot of time making the game.

    that's not the point.

    The point is that most B2P models are really only supposed to have cosmetic or vanity items for sale to not be considered as offering unfair advantage over others.

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  • DomotoDomoto Member UncommonPosts: 82
    This is not P2W, it's pay for convenience. Leveling faster because you are subbed is not winning because you payed money. You are not getting anything someone else cannot just because you paid money. Also, saying *BURIED IN THE FAQ* is misleading, and comes off as stirring shit up. The day they announced it, of the 4 or so places I saw the announcement, the terms of continuing a sub was there, including at XP bonus. I don't play this game, and most likely won't but is this really necessary?

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  • Charlie.CheswickCharlie.Cheswick Member UncommonPosts: 469
    Someone call Charlie Sheen, we need an experts opinion on the intricacies of #winning.
    -Chuckles
  • AmatalAmatal Member UncommonPosts: 184
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by doodphace
    As long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.

    Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.

    Yes, because they are freeloading and should not have all the benefits of people who actually pay the subscription.

     

    if you want it all, pay the sub.

  • DomotoDomoto Member UncommonPosts: 82
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by Hermod
    Or it could be a thank-you for paying the wages for the people that spend a lot of time making the game.

    that's not the point.

    The point is that most B2P models are really only supposed to have cosmetic or vanity items for sale to not be considered as offering unfair advantage over others.

     

    TSW is B2P, has inherit XP boost item and purchasable Boosts, GW2 is B2P, has Purchasable Boosts

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  • TheGoblinKingTheGoblinKing Member UncommonPosts: 208

    Yes it is P2W. It's pretty straightforward you pay money, you have an advantage, which they do.

  • superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871
    Originally posted by Domoto
    This is not P2W, it's pay for convenience. Leveling faster because you are subbed is not winning because you payed money. You are not getting anything someone else cannot just because you paid money. Also, saying *BURIED IN THE FAQ* is misleading, and comes off as stirring shit up. The day they announced it, of the 4 or so places I saw the announcement, the terms of continuing a sub was there, including at XP bonus. I don't play this game, and most likely won't but is this really necessary?

    I don't consider it just convenience.

    After the champion system rolls out, experience past level 50 is supposed to mean something. More champion points into your char makes you stronger.

    If you have a guy who can do it faster, then yes, I DO see that as a clear advantage. It is not just a "convenience".

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  • superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871
    Originally posted by TheGoblinKing

    Yes it is P2W. It's pretty straightforward you pay money, you have an advantage, which they do.

    thank you! finally somebody who sees the light :D

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  • cerulean2012cerulean2012 Member UncommonPosts: 492

    Sorry super, not p2w.  Sure it can help someone get to 50 faster but besides that does not give them any advantage.  So no p2w.

     

  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,455
    I like how this was "hidden".  I have a really keen eye because it might have been one of the first things I saw when it was first announced.
  • RendolpheRendolphe Member UncommonPosts: 8

    This isn't P2W.

    Do yourself a favor and just try Archeage for a month and you will understand the real meaning of P2W.

    Just drop 5000$ and you will be competitive gear wise. I remember seing guys with double of my HP and they were DPS.

    The small 10% gain on XP and Gold wouldn't make a difference, because the gear is easy to get in ESO with few exception. Mostly crafted.

  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 940

    Funny. Either you are freeloading, which means from a financial point of view, F2P is better as a player. Or you end up paying more than a sub. So it is better for the company. More money obviously means F2P games will have more content, less bugs, better balancing, better art, more stable servers etc.*

    *Except it doesn't. Just like with countries, companies can always make us of more money, to word it positively. More income from one source doesn't mean more money will flow back to said source.

    Anyways, decide which one it is. Freeloading or paying your ass off.

    I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
    And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
    Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
    And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore

  • Ir1shguyIr1shguy Member UncommonPosts: 84
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by TheGoblinKing

    Yes it is P2W. It's pretty straightforward you pay money, you have an advantage, which they do.

    thank you! finally somebody who sees the light :D

    Actually the people that don't want to pay for the games tend to have more time to play then the people that do pay for it so they will get to cap faster than most paying players so maybe they should give freeplayers a -50% penalty for not paying so their complaining  will make their p2w bs make more sense?

  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297

    Depends what's in the cash shop at the end of the day.. what you can get with crowns.

    .. and if there is a way to get crowns using some kind of in game method.

    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871
    Originally posted by cerulean2012

    Sorry super, not p2w.  Sure it can help someone get to 50 faster but besides that does not give them any advantage.  So no p2w.

     

    Where does it say the experience boost is til 50? It says for the duration of membership.

    Think about it. After 50, VR XP converts to champion points.

    Don't think that's advantage enough?

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  • AzothAzoth Member UncommonPosts: 840
    Nope, not enough for me to call it P2W.
  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by superconducting
    Originally posted by cerulean2012

    Sorry super, not p2w.  Sure it can help someone get to 50 faster but besides that does not give them any advantage.  So no p2w.

     

    Where does it say the experience boost is til 50? It says for the duration of membership.

    Think about it. After 50, VR XP converts to champion points.

    Don't think that's advantage enough?

    Up until endgame, who cares if you got there faster than someone else........once you hit endgame though, all bets are off. Any power advantage for someone at endgame who spends money, is P2W.

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