Originally posted by MMOGamer71 Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by superconductingOriginally posted by doodphaceAs long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADERUmmmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free. omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAYYou must have Free to Play and Buy to Play confusion, so what part of buying a product (MMO) is freeloading?
Do tell please.
everyone realizes that it costs money to make a game, right? can we all agree that the developers arent complaining that they cant get employees to make the game that you want to play to work for free? you want to be able to download a game and play all for free. companies need to make money so you can continue to play and update your game. personally, i think all games need to be paid for. subs can be optional but understand if you dont sub you do not have the same benefits. just like damn obama care. want crap for free then bitch what you dont pay for.
Originally posted by MMOGamer71 Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by ArazaleOriginally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by superconductingOriginally posted by doodphaceAs long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADERUmmmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free. omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAYare you a child who's inept at critical thinking?No. im a man with a job and a family and im not gonna cry because i want things for free. quit bitching about 10% difference. its insignificant. its a damn game. pay the sub and be like the rest or buy the game at a reduced cost then freeload. but stop whining over what is clearly not even close to P2W. everyone thinks they are entitled to what everyone else has but not earn or pay for it. ridiculous.What part of a B2P play game that "requires" a subscription is B2P free?
Originally posted by Dakeru Originally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by DakeruIf 10% is considered pay to win then GW2 is heavy play to win.
GW2 is B2P and doesn't require a subscription for ALL PLAYERS to get those bonuses, you must have simply missed that.Seeing you so post happy here now makes me think you are angry and didn't read my post right. I said play to win.
These are my own account bonuses so I know damn well how they are acquired.
My point is: Who would cry over a 10% bonus? Or even further.. who would pay for a 10% advantage over others?
alot of people do and will continue to cry because they want want everyone else has but they dont want to pay for it. its the way todays society is. gimme gimme gimme
Well what my daddy always told me want in one hand and sh*t in the otehr and see what gets full first . If you want the bonus pay up if not stop whining and just enjoy the game .
Originally posted by doodphaceAs long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.
heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADER
Ummmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free.
omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAY
You must have Free to Play and Buy to Play confusion, so what part of buying a product (MMO) is freeloading?
Do tell please.
everyone realizes that it costs money to make a game, right? can we all agree that the developers arent complaining that they cant get employees to make the game that you want to play to work for free? you want to be able to download a game and play all for free. companies need to make money so you can continue to play and update your game. personally, i think all games need to be paid for. subs can be optional but understand if you dont sub you do not have the same benefits. just like damn obama care. want crap for free then bitch what you dont pay for.
You do realize that you have to BUY the game to play it yes?
You do realize that single player RPGs make their money for the development of their games from the sales of people BUYING their game yes?
You do realize how you are lacking in using your brain for any amount of critical thinking yes?
lol so in example someone who subs theoretically saves 6 minutes ever hour compared to a non sub player (mind you time actually playing and obviously not COMPLETELY accurate but a rough estimate ) and that's a huge unfair advantage? Have not been playing to many games lately but what it takes 30 hours or so to max out usually for you average joe? Saving someone all of 3 hours?
Originally posted by Hermod Or it could be a thank-you for paying the wages for the people that spend a lot of time making the game.
Well yes but is two things not just one,it is a thank you and a BRIBE.When you give out perks based on how much money you are given it sets a VERY low standard.
let's not try to fool anyone here,they did not go this route for the gamer's,this was something they felt they needed to do for THEM.Most onlookers have already nailed it,they could not risk asking for a sub+online console fees plus hope there were enough NEW players waiting to play on a console a game that has pretty much already used up it's potential player base.
The most honest and FAIR system is one that EVERY single player is on the same wave length.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Originally posted by jmlane223 lol so in example someone who subs theoretically saves 6 minutes ever hour compared to a non sub player (mind you time actually playing and obviously not COMPLETELY accurate but a rough estimate ) and that's a huge unfair advantage? Have not been playing to many games lately but what it takes 30 hours or so to max out usually for you average joe? Saving someone all of 3 hours?
Nah the most important item is:
- Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership.
B2P with a content subscription paywall isn't B2P, it's the exact same thing as the subscription model they changed from.
Originally posted by Arazale Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by superconductingOriginally posted by doodphaceAs long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADERUmmmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free. omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAYYou must have Free to Play and Buy to Play confusion, so what part of buying a product (MMO) is freeloading? Do tell please.everyone realizes that it costs money to make a game, right? can we all agree that the developers arent complaining that they cant get employees to make the game that you want to play to work for free? you want to be able to download a game and play all for free. companies need to make money so you can continue to play and update your game. personally, i think all games need to be paid for. subs can be optional but understand if you dont sub you do not have the same benefits. just like damn obama care. want crap for free then bitch what you dont pay for.You do realize that you have to BUY the game to play it yes?
You do realize that single player RPGs make their money for the development of their games from the sales of people BUYING their game yes?
You do realize how you are lacking in using your brain for any amount of critical thinking yes?
i know all this. i bought the game at launch. i dont consider paying for the game part of it. as stated earlier, i consider no sub being F2P. game companies need money to continue so buying the game should be expected. no one bitched about buying nintendo games. no one bitches about buying xbone or ps4 games. so why bitch about buying ESO? you dont have to sub to play.
Originally posted by silverreign Originally posted by MMOGamer71 Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by silverreignOriginally posted by superconductingOriginally posted by doodphaceAs long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADERUmmmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free. omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAYYou must have Free to Play and Buy to Play confusion, so what part of buying a product (MMO) is freeloading?
Do tell please.
everyone realizes that it costs money to make a game, right? can we all agree that the developers arent complaining that they cant get employees to make the game that you want to play to work for free? you want to be able to download a game and play all for free. companies need to make money so you can continue to play and update your game. personally, i think all games need to be paid for. subs can be optional but understand if you dont sub you do not have the same benefits. just like damn obama care. want crap for free then bitch what you dont pay for.
You do realize that you have to BUY the game to play it yes?
You do realize that single player RPGs make their money for the development of their games from the sales of people BUYING their game yes?
You do realize how you are lacking in using your brain for any amount of critical thinking yes?
You do realize if you bought eso n didn't sub you'd have a game with more content than a single player rpg already right? You do realize that CONTINUED development is not free right?
Originally posted by jmlane223 lol so in example someone who subs theoretically saves 6 minutes ever hour compared to a non sub player (mind you time actually playing and obviously not COMPLETELY accurate but a rough estimate ) and that's a huge unfair advantage? Have not been playing to many games lately but what it takes 30 hours or so to max out usually for you average joe? Saving someone all of 3 hours?
Nah the most important item is:
- Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership.
B2P with a content subscription paywall isn't B2P, it's the exact same thing as the subscription model they changed from.
Lol so you are telling me that eso right now out of the box with no subscription has less content than a single player rpg? If you are not misinformed then you know that's not true. Which also leads me to wonder if you think the continued development subscribers have access to came out of thin air for free?
i will go further and say ALL mmo's should be P2P. i earn money so i have no issue spending less than a single trip to see a movie on a months worth of gaming. F2P games, in my experience, have less content and just flat out suck. i played swtor from launch till it went F2P. then stopped. came back and subbed for a short time because their model sucks. had to pay for everything including hiding your helmet. but i subbed because i understand they need to make money. pay or quit. i currently am playing neverwinter which is F2P. the only F2P game i play and i would sub if it were possible.
Originally posted by jmlane223 lol so in example someone who subs theoretically saves 6 minutes ever hour compared to a non sub player (mind you time actually playing and obviously not COMPLETELY accurate but a rough estimate ) and that's a huge unfair advantage? Have not been playing to many games lately but what it takes 30 hours or so to max out usually for you average joe? Saving someone all of 3 hours?
Nah the most important item is:
- Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership.
B2P with a content subscription paywall isn't B2P, it's the exact same thing as the subscription model they changed from.
So we're getting Heart of Thorns for free? I did not know that... cool!
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Originally posted by superconducting Originally posted by doodphaceAs long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.
Really? people will call anyting pay to win these days.
There was a time in some games, when you could buy $1000 swords that would 1 shot every pvp player that was not obtainable any other way.
if people are whining over 10% increases i dont know what to say.
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Originally posted by SavageHorizon Come on super you really expect any of the die hards to agree with you. These are the same people who declared eso would never go f2p/b2p. You really can't take any of them seriously or expect an open conversation about eso with them. .
TESO has gone B2P to keep the agreed features for console consistent with PC version. They have had enough subscriptions to maintain their game as it runs currently. This was not a "Hail Mary" to save the game.
As far as the pay to win.... I have and see no issue with what they are offering, of course I will not be free-loading in the game and will enjoy the perks of supporting the development of the game further.
Originally posted by NobleNerd Originally posted by SavageHorizonCome on super you really expect any of the die hards to agree with you. These are the same people who declared eso would never go f2p/b2p. You really can't take any of them seriously or expect an open conversation about eso with them. .
TESO has gone B2P to keep the agreed features for console consistent with PC version. They have had enough subscriptions to maintain their game as it runs currently. This was not a "Hail Mary" to save the game.
As far as the pay to win.... I have and see no issue with what they are offering, of course I will not be free-loading in the game and will enjoy the perks of supporting the development of the game further.
Originally posted by MMOGamer71 Originally posted by DakeruOriginally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by DakeruOriginally posted by MMOGamer71Originally posted by DakeruIf 10% is considered pay to win then GW2 is heavy play to win.
GW2 is B2P and doesn't require a subscription for ALL PLAYERS to get those bonuses, you must have simply missed that. Seeing you so post happy here now makes me think you are angry and didn't read my post right. I said play to win. These are my own account bonuses so I know damn well how they are acquired.My point is: Who would cry over a 10% bonus? Or even further.. who would pay for a 10% advantage over others?Same reason a developer would adopt a B2P model with a subscription, with content behind a subscription paywall or cash shop.So the game really is B2P + Subscription like it was BEFORE going B2P.Same reason what? Are you even reading my posts or are you just clicking the quote button to randomly say something?Because the developers have determined that +10% is an issue.............duh?
Edit:
Or do you think they picked this out of a hat?
maybe its you and others like you that think that +10% is an issue. i could be wrong. happens alot.
How is this thread still going. ZM is following an industry standard many B2P and F2P MMOs follow. They need to make money somehow. Anyone who thinks ESO moving to B2P model means you buy the game and never pay a cent again is not using their brain. ZM needs to keep making money or the game will have to shut down.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle How is this thread still going. ZM is following an industry standard many B2P and F2P MMOs follow. They need to make money somehow. Anyone who thinks ESO moving to B2P model means you buy the game and never pay a cent again is not using their brain. ZM needs to keep making money of the game will have to shut down.
but they're still people out there that feel they should get it all and not pay a penny.
Wildstar has a near identical 10% buff for people who bother to get the 2 step Google Authenticator tied to their account to cut down on hacking. And Wildstar is a P2P only game. Is it P2W for them too? #dontfeedthetrolls
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heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADER
Ummmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free.
omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAY
You must have Free to Play and Buy to Play confusion, so what part of buying a product (MMO) is freeloading?
Do tell please.
everyone realizes that it costs money to make a game, right? can we all agree that the developers arent complaining that they cant get employees to make the game that you want to play to work for free? you want to be able to download a game and play all for free. companies need to make money so you can continue to play and update your game. personally, i think all games need to be paid for. subs can be optional but understand if you dont sub you do not have the same benefits. just like damn obama care. want crap for free then bitch what you dont pay for.
Seeing you so post happy here now makes me think you are angry and didn't read my post right. I said play to win.
These are my own account bonuses so I know damn well how they are acquired.
My point is: Who would cry over a 10% bonus? Or even further.. who would pay for a 10% advantage over others?
heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADER
Ummmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free.
omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAY
are you a child who's inept at critical thinking?
No. im a man with a job and a family and im not gonna cry because i want things for free. quit bitching about 10% difference. its insignificant. its a damn game. pay the sub and be like the rest or buy the game at a reduced cost then freeload. but stop whining over what is clearly not even close to P2W. everyone thinks they are entitled to what everyone else has but not earn or pay for it. ridiculous.
What part of a B2P play game that "requires" a subscription is B2P free?
on 3-17-15, no more "required" sub
Seeing you so post happy here now makes me think you are angry and didn't read my post right. I said play to win.
These are my own account bonuses so I know damn well how they are acquired.
My point is: Who would cry over a 10% bonus? Or even further.. who would pay for a 10% advantage over others?
alot of people do and will continue to cry because they want want everyone else has but they dont want to pay for it. its the way todays society is. gimme gimme gimme
Well what my daddy always told me want in one hand and sh*t in the otehr and see what gets full first . If you want the bonus pay up if not stop whining and just enjoy the game .
You do realize that you have to BUY the game to play it yes?
You do realize that single player RPGs make their money for the development of their games from the sales of people BUYING their game yes?
You do realize how you are lacking in using your brain for any amount of critical thinking yes?
Same reason a developer would adopt a B2P model with a subscription, with content behind a subscription paywall or cash shop.
So the game really is B2P + Subscription like it was BEFORE going B2P.
Well yes but is two things not just one,it is a thank you and a BRIBE.When you give out perks based on how much money you are given it sets a VERY low standard.
let's not try to fool anyone here,they did not go this route for the gamer's,this was something they felt they needed to do for THEM.Most onlookers have already nailed it,they could not risk asking for a sub+online console fees plus hope there were enough NEW players waiting to play on a console a game that has pretty much already used up it's potential player base.
The most honest and FAIR system is one that EVERY single player is on the same wave length.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Nah the most important item is:
- Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership.
B2P with a content subscription paywall isn't B2P, it's the exact same thing as the subscription model they changed from.
heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADER
Ummmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free.
omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAY
You must have Free to Play and Buy to Play confusion, so what part of buying a product (MMO) is freeloading? Do tell please.
everyone realizes that it costs money to make a game, right? can we all agree that the developers arent complaining that they cant get employees to make the game that you want to play to work for free? you want to be able to download a game and play all for free. companies need to make money so you can continue to play and update your game. personally, i think all games need to be paid for. subs can be optional but understand if you dont sub you do not have the same benefits. just like damn obama care. want crap for free then bitch what you dont pay for.
You do realize that you have to BUY the game to play it yes?
You do realize that single player RPGs make their money for the development of their games from the sales of people BUYING their game yes?
You do realize how you are lacking in using your brain for any amount of critical thinking yes?
i know all this. i bought the game at launch. i dont consider paying for the game part of it. as stated earlier, i consider no sub being F2P. game companies need money to continue so buying the game should be expected. no one bitched about buying nintendo games. no one bitches about buying xbone or ps4 games. so why bitch about buying ESO? you dont have to sub to play.
heres the answer..............DONT BE A FREELOADER
Ummmmmmmmmmm BUY TO PLAY isn't free.
omg. seriously? "i have to buy the game and pay to play? WHAAAAAAAAAA!!" bunch of damn babies. ok. heres the new answer to all of your crying.........DONT PLAY
You must have Free to Play and Buy to Play confusion, so what part of buying a product (MMO) is freeloading?
Do tell please.
everyone realizes that it costs money to make a game, right? can we all agree that the developers arent complaining that they cant get employees to make the game that you want to play to work for free? you want to be able to download a game and play all for free. companies need to make money so you can continue to play and update your game. personally, i think all games need to be paid for. subs can be optional but understand if you dont sub you do not have the same benefits. just like damn obama care. want crap for free then bitch what you dont pay for.
You do realize that you have to BUY the game to play it yes?
You do realize that single player RPGs make their money for the development of their games from the sales of people BUYING their game yes?
You do realize how you are lacking in using your brain for any amount of critical thinking yes?
You do realize if you bought eso n didn't sub you'd have a game with more content than a single player rpg already right? You do realize that CONTINUED development is not free right?Nah the most important item is:
- Access to all downloadable content for the duration of membership.
B2P with a content subscription paywall isn't B2P, it's the exact same thing as the subscription model they changed from.
Lol so you are telling me that eso right now out of the box with no subscription has less content than a single player rpg? If you are not misinformed then you know that's not true. Which also leads me to wonder if you think the continued development subscribers have access to came out of thin air for free?i will go further and say ALL mmo's should be P2P. i earn money so i have no issue spending less than a single trip to see a movie on a months worth of gaming. F2P games, in my experience, have less content and just flat out suck. i played swtor from launch till it went F2P. then stopped. came back and subbed for a short time because their model sucks. had to pay for everything including hiding your helmet. but i subbed because i understand they need to make money. pay or quit. i currently am playing neverwinter which is F2P. the only F2P game i play and i would sub if it were possible.
Same reason what? Are you even reading my posts or are you just clicking the quote button to randomly say something?
So we're getting Heart of Thorns for free? I did not know that... cool!
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Really? people will call anyting pay to win these days.
There was a time in some games, when you could buy $1000 swords that would 1 shot every pvp player that was not obtainable any other way.
if people are whining over 10% increases i dont know what to say.
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TESO has gone B2P to keep the agreed features for console consistent with PC version. They have had enough subscriptions to maintain their game as it runs currently. This was not a "Hail Mary" to save the game.
As far as the pay to win.... I have and see no issue with what they are offering, of course I will not be free-loading in the game and will enjoy the perks of supporting the development of the game further.
Because the developers have determined that +10% is an issue.............duh?
Edit:
Or do you think they picked this out of a hat?
As far as the pay to win.... I have and see no issue with what they are offering, of course I will not be free-loading in the game and will enjoy the perks of supporting the development of the game further.
well said
Seeing you so post happy here now makes me think you are angry and didn't read my post right. I said play to win. These are my own account bonuses so I know damn well how they are acquired. My point is: Who would cry over a 10% bonus? Or even further.. who would pay for a 10% advantage over others?
Same reason a developer would adopt a B2P model with a subscription, with content behind a subscription paywall or cash shop. So the game really is B2P + Subscription like it was BEFORE going B2P.
Same reason what? Are you even reading my posts or are you just clicking the quote button to randomly say something?
Because the developers have determined that +10% is an issue.............duh?
Edit:
Or do you think they picked this out of a hat?
maybe its you and others like you that think that +10% is an issue. i could be wrong. happens alot.
but they're still people out there that feel they should get it all and not pay a penny.
Nope, a lot of MMOs offer such boosts with a paid subscription. LOTRO comes to mind along with RIFT to name a couple
OP post = trolling
Wildstar has a near identical 10% buff for people who bother to get the 2 step Google Authenticator tied to their account to cut down on hacking. And Wildstar is a P2P only game. Is it P2W for them too? #dontfeedthetrolls