I actually wish I could play it but my computer doesn't meat the minimal config. What I am saying though is that nothing you said indicates anything out of the ordinary for an MMORPG with non-stupid devs and money.
Cheers.
Then buy a new computer. If your computer is from 2010 it will run this game just fine. My friends that have the same complaint as you are running computers built from 2005 with a Geforce 6000 series Video card. One of my friends spent $90 for a GT 640 and it runs the game just fine. So complaining about your computer configuration means Jack to us because it wouldnt cost much to upgrade it.
Originally posted by zaberfangx FF14 have long way to catch up to wow, is maybe 2nd or 3nd top sub mmo eve may have more. there both not going hit 1 mil. if didn't hit it be for there not going hit it now. Not saying is fail mmo, just never be as big as a monster like wow.
Eve has about 1 Million Subs. FFXIV has over 2 Million Subs and is nearing 3 Million subs. No other game in the last 8+ year has keep and gain subs past the 3 month mark. FFXIV is a fine game and is one of the best MMOs on the market right now.
No one disagrees with FF being a fine game.
The 2 mil subs are completely made up though.
No its not. I am on Siren one of their less populated servers and I hit small queues most nights. Maybe 2 or 3 in queue. Each city is well over 200 people in them when I am running around at peak time. So no 2 Million Subs is not a MADE up number. Sorry try again.
You want a Made up number? Try Blizzard saying in their last Quarterly meeting that WOW Subs are up to 10 Million. Yea the first few weeks WOD dropped yea it was 10 Million. Guess what. It is not that right now. The servers are dead my guild broke a part in Dec and 90+ people cancelled their subs, as did I and my wife. My Real ID friends list was poppin over 100 people a night on when WOD dropped. most nights is less than 10 people online AND most of them are playing D3 now.
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In FFXIV when I am seeing Zones of people doing fate like it was when the game first released and there was only about 1 Million Subs, I believe them when they said they have 2 Million subs because there are a lot of people around in the game. It does not feel like WOW who says they have 10 Million and guess what you might see people in the cities but barely anyone in the world.
Originally posted by FoomerangRobust player driven economy
Hahahahahahaha, what game are you playing? Nobody buys anything except after a patch. Gear literally has no purpose until you hit level cap, and even then crafted gear is garbage compared to raid/dungeon gear. You literally never have to buy gear in the game ever and if you do it will make a minimal at best difference in performance.
Quests give you everything you will ever need until endgame, and then some. The only thing that gets bought on a regular basis is crafting materials by those who love to craft (the crafting mechanics are amazing), and food.
Even the best materia is nothing compared to gear from primals/raids.
I played ffxiv since it launched and quit recently for exactly this reason. There is nothing to do once you hit level cap except raid for PvE content.
You're most likely trolling but I will indulge since I'm just chillin at work anyway.
Crafted items which are always in demand: Food Potions Dyes Glamours Levemete items Daily GC supplies and provisions Retainer gear Musical instruments Furniture Spiritbond gear Desynthesis gear And of course the best gear in the game right now is currently crafted. At least the top raiding guilds think so since they outfit in all crafteds for end game raiding. And all those items take crafted subcomponents. And those subcomponents are provided by other crafters, miners, botanists, fishers, and even gardening.
You're probably just not very good at playing the economy tbh.
So...you're just going to totally ignore the fact that a patch just happened and that I said "except after a patch"? GG.
They intentionally (as said by Yoshi-p himself) inflate and deflate the economy. How in the hell is it player-driven when the devs drive it? Oh wait, that's not possible. Good try though.
Don't misunderstand. I loved the crafting in ffxiv, I just wish it was meaningful.
Originally posted by zaberfangx FF14 have long way to catch up to wow, is maybe 2nd or 3nd top sub mmo eve may have more. there both not going hit 1 mil. if didn't hit it be for there not going hit it now. Not saying is fail mmo, just never be as big as a monster like wow.
Amount of subscribers does not mean the game is THAT good.
You can often account that to good publicity or dumb players with too much money to spend.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
No its not. I am on Siren one of their less populated servers and I hit small queues most nights. Maybe 2 or 3 in queue. Each city is well over 200 people in them when I am running around at peak time. So no 2 Million Subs is not a MADE up number. Sorry try again.
You want a Made up number? Try Blizzard saying in their last Quarterly meeting that WOW Subs are up to 10 Million. Yea the first few weeks WOD dropped yea it was 10 Million. Guess what. It is not that right now. The servers are dead my guild broke a part in Dec and 90+ people cancelled their subs, as did I and my wife. My Real ID friends list was poppin over 100 people a night on when WOD dropped. most nights is less than 10 people online AND most of them are playing D3 now.
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In FFXIV when I am seeing Zones of people doing fate like it was when the game first released and there was only about 1 Million Subs, I believe them when they said they have 2 Million subs because there are a lot of people around in the game. It does not feel like WOW who says they have 10 Million and guess what you might see people in the cities but barely anyone in the world.
Originally posted by LeGrosGamerV2 With patch 2.51 out just a few hours ago, SE is bringing FF14 : ARR to a whole new level of playability never before seen in a MMORPG. The main feature of patch 2.51 is the Golden Saucer, a kind of attraction where you can now train a chocobo to race with 7 other players AKA Mario Kart!! And with the expansion coming out in a few months adding 3 new classes, including the DARK KNIGHT! , FF14 : ARR is moving full speed at being crowned the top MMO. With tons of new players pouring in every week, it just shows that if you want a quality MMORPG, and I've been saying this for years, you've got to P2P, and FF14 : ARR is the perfect example!! Well, my patch download finished a minute, so off to try out this new chocobo racing system!! Enjoy your day y'all!
Can't tell if you're serious or trolling. Either way, this thread might as well be locked now.
While I agree that it'll be a long time before FFXIV touches WoW's sub numbers (if ever), to most people like myself, it just doesn't matter. The amount of content they've been pumping out for this game is unreal. They've added more new systems to the game in the past year than WoW has since it was released. While the OP's title was a bit baity, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV really is raising the bar rather substantially for MMORPGs.
Originally posted by dreamscaper While I agree that it'll be a long time before FFXIV touches WoW's sub numbers (if ever), to most people like myself, it just doesn't matter. The amount of content they've been pumping out for this game is unreal. They've added more new systems to the game in the past year than WoW has since it was released. While the OP's title was a bit baity, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV really is raising the bar rather substantially for MMORPGs.
What bar there raising? maybe pay cheaper sub cost other then the $15 that pretty it with out a set plan. Wildstar raise the bar level with there creed, making even wow thinking about the same system.
Originally posted by zaberfangx FF14 have long way to catch up to wow, is maybe 2nd or 3nd top sub mmo eve may have more. there both not going hit 1 mil. if didn't hit it be for there not going hit it now. Not saying is fail mmo, just never be as big as a monster like wow.
Eve has about 1 Million Subs. FFXIV has over 2 Million Subs and is nearing 3 Million subs. No other game in the last 8+ year has keep and gain subs past the 3 month mark. FFXIV is a fine game and is one of the best MMOs on the market right now.
No one disagrees with FF being a fine game.
The 2 mil subs are completely made up though.
last i heard, Eve had between 350,000 and 500,000 subs, i'd surely remember if they'd said at any time that they had 1 million, as for FFXIV, while they had said they had over 1 million, i don't think they have claimed over 2 million, but if i am wrong then please link that statement, pretty sure its never been made though
Originally posted by dreamscaper While I agree that it'll be a long time before FFXIV touches WoW's sub numbers (if ever), to most people like myself, it just doesn't matter. The amount of content they've been pumping out for this game is unreal. They've added more new systems to the game in the past year than WoW has since it was released. While the OP's title was a bit baity, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV really is raising the bar rather substantially for MMORPGs.
What bar there raising?
Valuing the customerbase-bar.
The bar that has been set to "screw you & give me money"-setting by 99% of MMO devs. But it's no wonder, considering the extent some people in this very thread go to act like those devaluing practices don't matter.
"Please, Blizzard, I am doing my best to prove how much worse FFXIV is than WoW! Please, Blizzard, allow me to wait two years for the next content patch, it's what I deserve for being such a unloyal customer. I'll keep paying you $15 dollars a month for nothing."
No matter what you think of FFXIV itself there is absolutely no reason to act like the fact SE is actually valuing the customerbase doesn't make it a better product in all the right ways. If you want other MMO companies to value you as a customer you bet you want to support FFXIV for doing what other MMO players can simply dream of.
Gold Saucer didn't make it in the last major patch before the expansion; yet the devs chose to not make the feature a part of the expansion (money walling it) but released it separately only few months before the expansion's release date. You find me another MMO company that does this sort of practice and I'll find you a talking buffoon.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by zaberfangx FF14 have long way to catch up to wow, is maybe 2nd or 3nd top sub mmo eve may have more. there both not going hit 1 mil. if didn't hit it be for there not going hit it now. Not saying is fail mmo, just never be as big as a monster like wow.
Eve has about 1 Million Subs. FFXIV has over 2 Million Subs and is nearing 3 Million subs. No other game in the last 8+ year has keep and gain subs past the 3 month mark. FFXIV is a fine game and is one of the best MMOs on the market right now.
2 million subs is complete and utter nonsense. The game might have that many total players playing on and off, but only 500-700k players are subbed simultaneously.
A fact which is simply another nail at WoW's coffin. If FFXIV truly had 2 million subs the massive amount of value SE is putting out could be better justified vs. WoW's 10 million subs. But the truth is FFXIV doesn't even have million subs and yet they completely and utterly obliterate WoW in supporting the game. It's not a testament of FFXIV's superiority as much as it is a testament that WoW customers are willing to bend over and take it. In fact WoW could surpass FFXIV if the devs weren't so arrogant. What a pity for WoW players.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by FoomerangRobust player driven economy
Hahahahahahaha, what game are you playing? Nobody buys anything except after a patch. Gear literally has no purpose until you hit level cap, and even then crafted gear is garbage compared to raid/dungeon gear. You literally never have to buy gear in the game ever and if you do it will make a minimal at best difference in performance.Quests give you everything you will ever need until endgame, and then some. The only thing that gets bought on a regular basis is crafting materials by those who love to craft (the crafting mechanics are amazing), and food.Even the best materia is nothing compared to gear from primals/raids. I played ffxiv since it launched and quit recently for exactly this reason. There is nothing to do once you hit level cap except raid for PvE content.
You're most likely trolling but I will indulge since I'm just chillin at work anyway. Crafted items which are always in demand: Food Potions Dyes Glamours Levemete items Daily GC supplies and provisions Retainer gear Musical instruments Furniture Spiritbond gear Desynthesis gear And of course the best gear in the game right now is currently crafted. At least the top raiding guilds think so since they outfit in all crafteds for end game raiding. And all those items take crafted subcomponents. And those subcomponents are provided by other crafters, miners, botanists, fishers, and even gardening. You're probably just not very good at playing the economy tbh.
So...you're just going to totally ignore the fact that a patch just happened and that I said "except after a patch"? GG.
They intentionally (as said by Yoshi-p himself) inflate and deflate the economy. How in the hell is it player-driven when the devs drive it? Oh wait, that's not possible. Good try though.
Don't misunderstand. I loved the crafting in ffxiv, I just wish it was meaningful.
The devs stimulate the economy by adding items that can be gathered and crafted every patch. The players run it. By your definition, there is no such thing as a player run economy since a developer has to first create items. And it hums along well after a patch. You just have to pay attention. Like I said, I don't think you're very good at playing an mmo economy. People think they can just craft whatever they want and put it on the market for whatever price they think it's going for. And of course when that doesn't work they come running to the forums saying the crafting sucks or the economy is broken. Meanwhile those of us who actually pay attention to what people want and craft/gather accordingly are enjoying a robust meta game that is fairly rare in most MMOs.
last i heard, Eve had between 350,000 and 500,000 subs, i'd surely remember if they'd said at any time that they had 1 million, as for FFXIV, while they had said they had over 1 million, i don't think they have claimed over 2 million, but if i am wrong then please link that statement, pretty sure its never been made though
I know. The only official number was FF and Dragon Quest and a third game having 1 mil subs together and that was a year ago.
So I have the choice of either believing that SE managed to double their active subscriptions in a year.
Or..
danwest randomly made up a number and states it as a fact cause "they" said so.
Originally posted by dreamscaper While I agree that it'll be a long time before FFXIV touches WoW's sub numbers (if ever), to most people like myself, it just doesn't matter. The amount of content they've been pumping out for this game is unreal. They've added more new systems to the game in the past year than WoW has since it was released. While the OP's title was a bit baity, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV really is raising the bar rather substantially for MMORPGs.
What bar there raising?
Valuing the customerbase-bar.
The bar that has been set to "screw you & give me money"-setting by 99% of MMO devs. But it's no wonder, considering the extent some people in this very thread go to act like those devaluing practices don't matter.
"Please, Blizzard, I am doing my best to prove how much worse FFXIV is than WoW! Please, Blizzard, allow me to wait two years for the next content patch, it's what I deserve for being such a unloyal customer. I'll keep paying you $15 dollars a month for nothing."
No matter what you think of FFXIV itself there is absolutely no reason to act like the fact SE is actually valuing the customerbase doesn't make it a better product in all the right ways. If you want other MMO companies to value you as a customer you bet you want to support FFXIV for doing what other MMO players can simply dream of.
Gold Saucer didn't make it in the last major patch before the expansion; yet the devs chose to not make the feature a part of the expansion (money walling it) but released it separately only few months before the expansion's release date. You find me another MMO company that does this sort of practice and I'll find you a talking buffoon.
Simply what MMO players can simply dream of? what are there doing thats not done be for, not saying there doing wrong thing if it's working for them go with it, I am not there to change there mind if something is working for FF14. But What Gold Saucer did is noting new in a mmo space, don't mean any mmo other then Gold Saucer is not going to do the same.
last i heard, Eve had between 350,000 and 500,000 subs, i'd surely remember if they'd said at any time that they had 1 million, as for FFXIV, while they had said they had over 1 million, i don't think they have claimed over 2 million, but if i am wrong then please link that statement, pretty sure its never been made though
I know. The only official number was FF and Dragon Quest and a third game having 1 mil subs together and that was a year ago.
So I have the choice of either believing that SE managed to double their active subscriptions in a year.
Or..
danwest randomly made up a number and states it as a fact cause "they" said so.
"They" also killed Kenny - so don't trust them.
Even way, we don't have the numbers to see it's doing better for both side to take clam, but for some who cares it's here if there hiving fun in the game, let them is not going anywhere as people happy the game being updated.
Originally posted by dreamscaper While I agree that it'll be a long time before FFXIV touches WoW's sub numbers (if ever), to most people like myself, it just doesn't matter. The amount of content they've been pumping out for this game is unreal. They've added more new systems to the game in the past year than WoW has since it was released. While the OP's title was a bit baity, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV really is raising the bar rather substantially for MMORPGs.
What bar there raising?
Valuing the customerbase-bar.
The bar that has been set to "screw you & give me money"-setting by 99% of MMO devs. But it's no wonder, considering the extent some people in this very thread go to act like those devaluing practices don't matter.
"Please, Blizzard, I am doing my best to prove how much worse FFXIV is than WoW! Please, Blizzard, allow me to wait two years for the next content patch, it's what I deserve for being such a unloyal customer. I'll keep paying you $15 dollars a month for nothing."
No matter what you think of FFXIV itself there is absolutely no reason to act like the fact SE is actually valuing the customerbase doesn't make it a better product in all the right ways. If you want other MMO companies to value you as a customer you bet you want to support FFXIV for doing what other MMO players can simply dream of.
Gold Saucer didn't make it in the last major patch before the expansion; yet the devs chose to not make the feature a part of the expansion (money walling it) but released it separately only few months before the expansion's release date. You find me another MMO company that does this sort of practice and I'll find you a talking buffoon.
Simply what MMO players can simply dream of?
Dev support on the level of FFXIV, have you not listened at all?
What Gold Saucer did is absolutely something extremely rare in the MMO space. You simply don't put out a feature like this outside of a major patch few months before a money-wall is released in this day and age. Hell, WoW constantly dumps years worth of content behind the next money-wall. Gold Saucer represents just one thing FFXIV is constantly doing that other MMO players can simply dream of: not being taken for granted. It has nothing to do with the feature itself (though in this case it is, obviously, top notch quality feature too).
It's the development design that celebrates the customer instead of trying to fool him at every turn.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by FoomerangRobust player driven economy
Hahahahahahaha, what game are you playing? Nobody buys anything except after a patch. Gear literally has no purpose until you hit level cap, and even then crafted gear is garbage compared to raid/dungeon gear. You literally never have to buy gear in the game ever and if you do it will make a minimal at best difference in performance.Quests give you everything you will ever need until endgame, and then some. The only thing that gets bought on a regular basis is crafting materials by those who love to craft (the crafting mechanics are amazing), and food.Even the best materia is nothing compared to gear from primals/raids. I played ffxiv since it launched and quit recently for exactly this reason. There is nothing to do once you hit level cap except raid for PvE content.
You're most likely trolling but I will indulge since I'm just chillin at work anyway. Crafted items which are always in demand: Food Potions Dyes Glamours Levemete items Daily GC supplies and provisions Retainer gear Musical instruments Furniture Spiritbond gear Desynthesis gear And of course the best gear in the game right now is currently crafted. At least the top raiding guilds think so since they outfit in all crafteds for end game raiding. And all those items take crafted subcomponents. And those subcomponents are provided by other crafters, miners, botanists, fishers, and even gardening. You're probably just not very good at playing the economy tbh.
So...you're just going to totally ignore the fact that a patch just happened and that I said "except after a patch"? GG.
They intentionally (as said by Yoshi-p himself) inflate and deflate the economy. How in the hell is it player-driven when the devs drive it? Oh wait, that's not possible. Good try though.
Don't misunderstand. I loved the crafting in ffxiv, I just wish it was meaningful.
The devs stimulate the economy by adding items that can be gathered and crafted every patch. The players run it. By your definition, there is no such thing as a player run economy since a developer has to first create items. And it hums along well after a patch. You just have to pay attention. Like I said, I don't think you're very good at playing an mmo economy. People think they can just craft whatever they want and put it on the market for whatever price they think it's going for. And of course when that doesn't work they come running to the forums saying the crafting sucks or the economy is broken. Meanwhile those of us who actually pay attention to what people want and craft/gather accordingly are enjoying a robust meta game that is fairly rare in most MMOs.
All of that is irrelevant to the broader point. It's not player driven, the devs intentionally alter it. Case closed.
Originally posted by dreamscaper While I agree that it'll be a long time before FFXIV touches WoW's sub numbers (if ever), to most people like myself, it just doesn't matter. The amount of content they've been pumping out for this game is unreal. They've added more new systems to the game in the past year than WoW has since it was released. While the OP's title was a bit baity, it doesn't change the fact that FFXIV really is raising the bar rather substantially for MMORPGs.
What bar there raising?
Valuing the customerbase-bar.
The bar that has been set to "screw you & give me money"-setting by 99% of MMO devs. But it's no wonder, considering the extent some people in this very thread go to act like those devaluing practices don't matter.
"Please, Blizzard, I am doing my best to prove how much worse FFXIV is than WoW! Please, Blizzard, allow me to wait two years for the next content patch, it's what I deserve for being such a unloyal customer. I'll keep paying you $15 dollars a month for nothing."
No matter what you think of FFXIV itself there is absolutely no reason to act like the fact SE is actually valuing the customerbase doesn't make it a better product in all the right ways. If you want other MMO companies to value you as a customer you bet you want to support FFXIV for doing what other MMO players can simply dream of.
Gold Saucer didn't make it in the last major patch before the expansion; yet the devs chose to not make the feature a part of the expansion (money walling it) but released it separately only few months before the expansion's release date. You find me another MMO company that does this sort of practice and I'll find you a talking buffoon.
Simply what MMO players can simply dream of?
Dev support on the level of FFXIV, have you not listened at all?
What Gold Saucer did is absolutely something extremely rare in the MMO space. You simply don't put out a feature like this outside of a major patch few months before a money-wall is released in this day and age. Hell, WoW constantly dumps years worth of content behind the next money-wall. Gold Saucer represents just one thing FFXIV is constantly doing that other MMO players can simply dream of: not being taken for granted. It has nothing to do with the feature itself (though in this case it is, obviously, top notch quality feature too).
It's the development design that celebrates the customer instead of trying to fool him at every turn.
Agreed. The dev team is outstanding about releasing massive amounts of content through patches, and extremely open/willing to answer to their customers ala live letters.
the 1 mil was debunked immediatly by the website that published it, it basically means 1min subcribers from Aug 2013- Dec 2013, the release of FFXIV. it did not count all 2014 which there was a huge surge of new players be it PS4 or other major patches.
anyways everytime it is mentioned, doomsayers will never look at it, because they love the idea of throwing the fake number out there, but guess what, 1mil subscribers is still a massive success in a P2P model.
would it kill wow? never, but again quantity doesnt mean quality, FFXIV is by far better in every aspect than WoW except PvP.
Originally posted by zaberfangx FF14 have long way to catch up to wow, is maybe 2nd or 3nd top sub mmo eve may have more. there both not going hit 1 mil. if didn't hit it be for there not going hit it now. Not saying is fail mmo, just never be as big as a monster like wow.
Eve has about 1 Million Subs. FFXIV has over 2 Million Subs and is nearing 3 Million subs. No other game in the last 8+ year has keep and gain subs past the 3 month mark. FFXIV is a fine game and is one of the best MMOs on the market right now.
No one disagrees with FF being a fine game.
The 2 mil subs are completely made up though.
No its not. I am on Siren one of their less populated servers and I hit small queues most nights. Maybe 2 or 3 in queue. Each city is well over 200 people in them when I am running around at peak time. So no 2 Million Subs is not a MADE up number. Sorry try again.
You want a Made up number? Try Blizzard saying in their last Quarterly meeting that WOW Subs are up to 10 Million. Yea the first few weeks WOD dropped yea it was 10 Million. Guess what. It is not that right now. The servers are dead my guild broke a part in Dec and 90+ people cancelled their subs, as did I and my wife. My Real ID friends list was poppin over 100 people a night on when WOD dropped. most nights is less than 10 people online AND most of them are playing D3 now.
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In FFXIV when I am seeing Zones of people doing fate like it was when the game first released and there was only about 1 Million Subs, I believe them when they said they have 2 Million subs because there are a lot of people around in the game. It does not feel like WOW who says they have 10 Million and guess what you might see people in the cities but barely anyone in the world.
Sorry but he's correct and you are mking up stuff based on a small sample of your personal experiences to a point where your conclusion is meaningless. SE did anounce recently that they have "almost" 1 million subscribers among 3 of their games - FFXIV, FFXI and one more which I can't remember the name of. So FFXIV is not even close to 1m. If we assume it has 50% of those subscribers (which I am not sure about) it's more like 500k. But yeah we don't know exact figures. We know those three games are almost near 1m, which automatically means that FFXIV doesn't have 2m subcribers and it doesn't have 1m subs.
Try again next time with real facts without getting all worked up when you get called on your faerie tales.
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Sorry but he's correct and you are mking up stuff based on a small sample of your personal experiences to a point where your conclusion is meaningless. SE did anounce recently that they have "almost" 1 million subscribers among 3 of their games - FFXIV, FFXI and one more which I can't remember the name of.
Try again next time with real facts without getting all worked up when you get called on your faerie tales.
I recently came back and I am having a blast. Looking forward to getting myself acclimated to the game and having fun. This new patch is a nice bonus and I am glad to get an opportunity to play it.
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Then buy a new computer. If your computer is from 2010 it will run this game just fine. My friends that have the same complaint as you are running computers built from 2005 with a Geforce 6000 series Video card. One of my friends spent $90 for a GT 640 and it runs the game just fine. So complaining about your computer configuration means Jack to us because it wouldnt cost much to upgrade it.
No its not. I am on Siren one of their less populated servers and I hit small queues most nights. Maybe 2 or 3 in queue. Each city is well over 200 people in them when I am running around at peak time. So no 2 Million Subs is not a MADE up number. Sorry try again.
You want a Made up number? Try Blizzard saying in their last Quarterly meeting that WOW Subs are up to 10 Million. Yea the first few weeks WOD dropped yea it was 10 Million. Guess what. It is not that right now. The servers are dead my guild broke a part in Dec and 90+ people cancelled their subs, as did I and my wife. My Real ID friends list was poppin over 100 people a night on when WOD dropped. most nights is less than 10 people online AND most of them are playing D3 now.
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In FFXIV when I am seeing Zones of people doing fate like it was when the game first released and there was only about 1 Million Subs, I believe them when they said they have 2 Million subs because there are a lot of people around in the game. It does not feel like WOW who says they have 10 Million and guess what you might see people in the cities but barely anyone in the world.
So...you're just going to totally ignore the fact that a patch just happened and that I said "except after a patch"? GG.
They intentionally (as said by Yoshi-p himself) inflate and deflate the economy. How in the hell is it player-driven when the devs drive it? Oh wait, that's not possible. Good try though.
Don't misunderstand. I loved the crafting in ffxiv, I just wish it was meaningful.
Amount of subscribers does not mean the game is THAT good.
You can often account that to good publicity or dumb players with too much money to spend.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Can you please show me where "they" said that?
Can't tell if you're serious or trolling. Either way, this thread might as well be locked now.
What bar there raising? maybe pay cheaper sub cost other then the $15 that pretty it with out a set plan. Wildstar raise the bar level with there creed, making even wow thinking about the same system.
last i heard, Eve had between 350,000 and 500,000 subs, i'd surely remember if they'd said at any time that they had 1 million, as for FFXIV, while they had said they had over 1 million, i don't think they have claimed over 2 million, but if i am wrong then please link that statement, pretty sure its never been made though
Valuing the customerbase-bar.
The bar that has been set to "screw you & give me money"-setting by 99% of MMO devs. But it's no wonder, considering the extent some people in this very thread go to act like those devaluing practices don't matter.
"Please, Blizzard, I am doing my best to prove how much worse FFXIV is than WoW! Please, Blizzard, allow me to wait two years for the next content patch, it's what I deserve for being such a unloyal customer. I'll keep paying you $15 dollars a month for nothing."
No matter what you think of FFXIV itself there is absolutely no reason to act like the fact SE is actually valuing the customerbase doesn't make it a better product in all the right ways. If you want other MMO companies to value you as a customer you bet you want to support FFXIV for doing what other MMO players can simply dream of.
Gold Saucer didn't make it in the last major patch before the expansion; yet the devs chose to not make the feature a part of the expansion (money walling it) but released it separately only few months before the expansion's release date. You find me another MMO company that does this sort of practice and I'll find you a talking buffoon.
2 million subs is complete and utter nonsense. The game might have that many total players playing on and off, but only 500-700k players are subbed simultaneously.
A fact which is simply another nail at WoW's coffin. If FFXIV truly had 2 million subs the massive amount of value SE is putting out could be better justified vs. WoW's 10 million subs. But the truth is FFXIV doesn't even have million subs and yet they completely and utterly obliterate WoW in supporting the game. It's not a testament of FFXIV's superiority as much as it is a testament that WoW customers are willing to bend over and take it. In fact WoW could surpass FFXIV if the devs weren't so arrogant. What a pity for WoW players.
And it hums along well after a patch. You just have to pay attention. Like I said, I don't think you're very good at playing an mmo economy. People think they can just craft whatever they want and put it on the market for whatever price they think it's going for. And of course when that doesn't work they come running to the forums saying the crafting sucks or the economy is broken.
Meanwhile those of us who actually pay attention to what people want and craft/gather accordingly are enjoying a robust meta game that is fairly rare in most MMOs.
I know. The only official number was FF and Dragon Quest and a third game having 1 mil subs together and that was a year ago.
So I have the choice of either believing that SE managed to double their active subscriptions in a year.
Or..
danwest randomly made up a number and states it as a fact cause "they" said so.
"They" also killed Kenny - so don't trust them.
Simply what MMO players can simply dream of? what are there doing thats not done be for, not saying there doing wrong thing if it's working for them go with it, I am not there to change there mind if something is working for FF14. But What Gold Saucer did is noting new in a mmo space, don't mean any mmo other then Gold Saucer is not going to do the same.
Even way, we don't have the numbers to see it's doing better for both side to take clam, but for some who cares it's here if there hiving fun in the game, let them is not going anywhere as people happy the game being updated.
If you'd like to see active players per server updated constantly go to xivsoul.com.
I think 500k is a good estimate
Dev support on the level of FFXIV, have you not listened at all?
What Gold Saucer did is absolutely something extremely rare in the MMO space. You simply don't put out a feature like this outside of a major patch few months before a money-wall is released in this day and age. Hell, WoW constantly dumps years worth of content behind the next money-wall. Gold Saucer represents just one thing FFXIV is constantly doing that other MMO players can simply dream of: not being taken for granted. It has nothing to do with the feature itself (though in this case it is, obviously, top notch quality feature too).
It's the development design that celebrates the customer instead of trying to fool him at every turn.
All of that is irrelevant to the broader point. It's not player driven, the devs intentionally alter it. Case closed.
Agreed. The dev team is outstanding about releasing massive amounts of content through patches, and extremely open/willing to answer to their customers ala live letters.
WoW has been destroyed. Only 10 million loyal sheep remain.
the 1 mil was debunked immediatly by the website that published it, it basically means 1min subcribers from Aug 2013- Dec 2013, the release of FFXIV. it did not count all 2014 which there was a huge surge of new players be it PS4 or other major patches.
anyways everytime it is mentioned, doomsayers will never look at it, because they love the idea of throwing the fake number out there, but guess what, 1mil subscribers is still a massive success in a P2P model.
would it kill wow? never, but again quantity doesnt mean quality, FFXIV is by far better in every aspect than WoW except PvP.
Sorry but he's correct and you are mking up stuff based on a small sample of your personal experiences to a point where your conclusion is meaningless. SE did anounce recently that they have "almost" 1 million subscribers among 3 of their games - FFXIV, FFXI and one more which I can't remember the name of. So FFXIV is not even close to 1m. If we assume it has 50% of those subscribers (which I am not sure about) it's more like 500k. But yeah we don't know exact figures. We know those three games are almost near 1m, which automatically means that FFXIV doesn't have 2m subcribers and it doesn't have 1m subs.
Try again next time with real facts without getting all worked up when you get called on your faerie tales.
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http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/2/7480177/square-enix-final-fantasy-14-final-fantasy-11-dragon-quest-10-subscribers
"Correction: Square Enix's annual report was released on March 31, 2014, when the company's fiscal year ended. We apologize for the error."
"Recently" as in almost a year ago?