Simple economics: if TESO sells lots all is well - although Skyrim only got 3 DLCs; if it only sells a little ... Zenimax will be focusing on next years ES title and we will have to hope they finish what they have started. And they won't "know" until after the console launch.
As it stands a sub is simply an automatic cash shop purchase of crowns. There is no DLC, there may never be a great deal of DLC; and you will always be able to buy it. Everyone agrees the 10% is unnecessary - otherwise it would be being called P2W. And if you want something from the cash shop Zenimax will, shock horror, let you spend real money in the store to buy however many crowns you need. So absolutely no need to sub.
Congrats, Ryan! It took you a while but you've now joined the rational ESO player community.
You see this is a B2P game. And unlike F2P games, this one genuinely lets you play 100% of the whole un-crippled game without paying anything else once you buy the "box."
I unsubbed a few months back and have continued to play it every day since. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the devs are catering to me or ignoring me to focus on the console launch nor their communication habits... it's the game you see: I like it... so I play it.
There is no "I like this game so I will give them $15 every month even though I don't have to and this makes me a true fan" except in some deluded minds... there is only B2P + fluff.
Once there is DLC to either buy outright or have access to it by subbing, I'll revisit my sub decision.
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Originally posted by odiasuda Best MMO out on the market right now? Overstating it just a touch aren't you?
The OP has had "beer goggles" for ESO since day one. Remember that classic weekly video he used to do, "This Week in ESO?". Well we know now what happened last week with Ryan and ESO.
They are porting the game to two different consoles and have to ensure they run properly on two different consoles. Stop with the doom and gloom of the PC version in favor of the console version. ZoS is not neglecting or abandoning the PC version. Once the console version launches everything will be back to normal and the PC will get all the content first. Stop whining.
It happens with every PC mmo that ends up being ported to consoles. If they dont update simultaneously then the PC always gets the updates first. The most notable example is Warframe. Yes, a free to play game. Even with a lot more people playing on console it still gets all the updates and new content on PC first.
SONY and MICROSOFT only give approval for their own consoles' versions. PC updates wont be delayed or affected by that, they dont have power over the PC version of the game. The only exception would be if ZoS accepts money from Sony and MS to delay the PC version and i doubt ZoS would put their reputation and integrity on the line.
Just my opinion, i could be totally wrong. But stop whining about it. Even if the PC updates get delayed, just cancel your sub and play without it until updates land on your platform of choice.
I really don't see the point to pay a subscription fee for ESO atm.
I just restarted 2 weeks ago. I am playing it casually only being level 17 now on my new character and mostly doing AvA and some questing/crafting as needed. I really don't care about leveling 10% faster. I enjoy the ride and am not in a hurry to reach max level.
There really isn't anything in the store which I must have.
But I really don't complain. I like it this way. No clue though how Zenimax wants to earn some money from me. In case they add more DLC to be bought via cash shop I might subscribe eventually. But that content then must be worth 15$ / month and it might take a long time till I reach max level or that new content.
There is none. For a F2P game with optional subscription there is zero reason to pay for a sub. Hell the micro transactions are fairly bad. Do not understand how they make money on this game.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
TLDR: Entitled games writer can't farm ESO forums for tidbits to write click bait articles about on mmorpg.com so instead writes dummy spitting post about how he's quitting because he can't make money on the game unless he starts writing for a console site.
Now this convinces me not to buy the game when it becomes B2P. There really isn't anything interesting in the shop either. I might be more interested in checking out Wildstar's F2P in the fall.
Originally posted by mayito7777 So let me get this straight, I have to pay $59.99 for the game and I have to pay subscription on top of that?
Even if that was the case, its industry standard. Its newbies like you ruining the industry.
Unfortunately that WAS the industry standard up until 2010 or so. Today's standard is either F2P(mostly) or B2P with cash shops. It's the reason why the industry is flooded with F2P copy-cat crap games and why in 2015 we still see games like EoS or Cabal II coming out. Today's dev studios are forced to go the F2P way because with so much competition around they want to give the easiest access to players in order to grab as much clients they can as fast as they can. Heck that's the reason all the major MMO releases of the last 4-5 years, while started with the old box price/sub model, were quickly forced to transition: Swtor, ESO, WS, DCUO, TSW, Rift, Tera etc. It's not because they were bad games, on the contrary, it's just beacuse every kid today without the patience to wait for a bus in a station for 5 mins, gets into a game and after 1-2 hours yells how much said game sucks and then off he goes to the next free game to start over. It's sad but that's the reality of the MMORPG world today.
Im playing it too and I dont mind paying a sub when its worth it but right now there is no point on paying one. I bet they know it but right now they need to release on console and they need to do it now. Im sure they will add content later. Dont worry they sold a lot of box on release and now they gonna sell a lot moar
"As of right now, ESO is not worth the $15 optional fee. Perhaps when we see the first DLC drop and the price gets listed in the crown store, maybe then the fee will have some value. But until then, I’ll be keeping my money in my pocket."
I couldn't agree more. Right now ESO is still the same game as it was at release and there's no reason to buy the sub, unless you want to get crowns cheaply to buy all from the crown store. By the time the first DLC will appear (my guess is 6 months from console release), the game might be worth to sub to IF the DLC is added to the crown store. If the DLC can only be bought with regular money and it's only $30 or so I'd rather buy it then just sub.
I just cancelled my ESO sub yesterday. I have 6700 Crowns and nothing I want to buy in the Crown Shop. I'm sick of AvA and the VR leveling scheme. I agree that it's definitely worth the box price, especially if you get it on sale (Steam summer sale should be coming up), but I don't see any reason to sub.
And I don't need to feel loyal to ZOS or "support" them any more than I have over the past year (I'm a sucker) because I'm pretty sure they don't give a flying flock about me or their other PC players.
Wow really got to dig deep to put together an article. Yes we are , as PC players, on the back burner until the console release. Your not seemly whining like a toddler YOU ARE WHINING LIKE A TODDLER. I'm enjoying my ESO Plus subscription getting my Blacksmithing to nine-traits, becoming a multi-millionaire using the trade guilds, collecting crowns from the subscriptions, etc. etc.. I know after the console dust clears that the game will rise to even greater heights. The only thing I'm quietly promoting is the Solo play in Orsinium Wrothgas DLC before the Imperial City DLC. The PvP and Groupies can wait there turn. As I tell those that are disenchanted; leave my game and fulfill your gaming needs somewhere else and yes that includes writers from MMORPG trying to find a story that meets deadline.
The problem with that business model is that unless something in there is a must have, or give you a competitive advantage, there is no reason to subscribe other than blind loyalty to the company/genre/being a fanboy.
No one wants pay to win, but people want others to buy/play/subscribe to/support the game so that it doesn't become worthless for them to play.
There really is no middle ground, as this is a prime example of a worthless subscription.
I can't understand why anyone would literally throw money down the toilet on ESO's subscription.
Many reasons why the ESO Plus membership is not worth it. Read the companies forums to see for yourself. Well now you will have to hunt for the free independent thought and not fanboi adulating posts as zos likes to either move them to other parts of the forums/sub forum/ they hate goodbye posts and run the forums like Nazi's./ They stifle free speech and so forth. Mods, admins are jerks. They delete topics about real game breaking bugs. They engage in deceptive business and marketing practices and wrap it up in a layer of legalese to the customer. Once your money leaves your wallet you will get less than what you paid for. And they make no bones about changing their mind on anything after the money has changed hands. The cash shop is a joke, It has nothing of any real game value. They undercut the players markets in game by offering items that used to be only acquirable in game Armor Motifs and Pots, Soul Gems. No apologies no warnings its bend over take it and like it.
Console players get ready for the Anal Job of a lifetime.
Good on you OP for seeing the light. This person will never buy any Zenicrax Media product again.
Sabaticus read your EULA its zenimax's game you are a revenue stream nothing more.
Darksworn you are correct
Nighthaven it will become more painful for console.
It will not improve as the devs seemed to have lost touch with A. reality and B. their fanbase
Anyone remember the big guild meet pre 1.6 when we said ZOS if you do this it will break that? well they did it and they broke it. Every day on the eso forums it seems a new goodbye post pops up from a long time player. Or a hey we need content post yes 10 months no new content. Delay ,deny,deceive, find loophole ZOS business and customer relations strategy.
Originally posted by Sabaticus Wow really got to dig deep to put together an article. Yes we are , as PC players, on the back burner until the console release. Your not seemly whining like a toddler YOU ARE WHINING LIKE A TODDLER. I'm enjoying my ESO Plus subscription getting my Blacksmithing to nine-traits, becoming a multi-millionaire using the trade guilds, collecting crowns from the subscriptions, etc. etc.. I know after the console dust clears that the game will rise to even greater heights. The only thing I'm quietly promoting is the Solo play in Orsinium Wrothgas DLC before the Imperial City DLC. The PvP and Groupies can wait there turn. As I tell those that are disenchanted; leave my game and fulfill your gaming needs somewhere else and yes that includes writers from MMORPG trying to find a story that meets deadline.
Originally posted by mayito7777 So let me get this straight, I have to pay $59.99 for the game and I have to pay subscription on top of that?
No, ESO is Buy-To-Play. You pay once and that is it, you only pay a monthly subscription if you want bonus stuff such as Crowns, 10% XP bonus, etc. You can play 100% free after you buy it.
Oh Ok thanks.
What he is not telling you is any new content called DLC's in this game will need to be purchased with crowns or you can RENT it by paying a sub. The game will not be free. So far after over a year we still have major bugs that effect game play and ZoS has put PC/MAC on hold for over a year all for consoles. Oh didn't get me going on lag.
You don't "rent" it. If you have a sub and the DLC is released while that month you payed you get the DLC.... if you sub runs out after that DLC was released but was active when it was released.... you still have that DLC. it doesn't just switch over to where you have to "buy" it again. All DLC's are FREE to payed Subscribers. All players not paying a sub have to BUY the DLC.
The problem with that business model is that unless something in there is a must have, or give you a competitive advantage, there is no reason to subscribe other than blind loyalty to the company/genre/being a fanboy.
No one wants pay to win, but people want others to buy/play/subscribe to/support the game so that it doesn't become worthless for them to play.
There really is no middle ground, as this is a prime example of a worthless subscription.
I can't understand why anyone would literally throw money down the toilet on ESO's subscription.
Because people like the game and they want to show support buy giving money to the company. It's no different than people who donate money to streamers, which I find a waste. Yet people like you call a legitimate reason to give money to a game company so they continue to run it on their servers a waste.... sigh
Simple economics: if TESO sells lots all is well - although Skyrim only got 3 DLCs; if it only sells a little ... Zenimax will be focusing on next years ES title and we will have to hope they finish what they have started. And they won't "know" until after the console launch.
As it stands a sub is simply an automatic cash shop purchase of crowns. There is no DLC, there may never be a great deal of DLC; and you will always be able to buy it. Everyone agrees the 10% is unnecessary - otherwise it would be being called P2W. And if you want something from the cash shop Zenimax will, shock horror, let you spend real money in the store to buy however many crowns you need. So absolutely no need to sub.
Zenimax won't be focusing on the next ES title, Bethesda will. Don't confuse the two companies. Yes, Zenimax owns both Zenimax Online (ESO) and Bethesda ( TES series, Fallout, ect), but they are not the same.
I installed the game last night to try it again. Think I played for about 5 minutes before I uninstalled. The game just makes you feel bored when you play it. It does not even look good anymore. Low rez textures with horrible color makes the world look bland. This game is just a total fail.
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Simple economics: if TESO sells lots all is well - although Skyrim only got 3 DLCs; if it only sells a little ... Zenimax will be focusing on next years ES title and we will have to hope they finish what they have started. And they won't "know" until after the console launch.
As it stands a sub is simply an automatic cash shop purchase of crowns. There is no DLC, there may never be a great deal of DLC; and you will always be able to buy it. Everyone agrees the 10% is unnecessary - otherwise it would be being called P2W. And if you want something from the cash shop Zenimax will, shock horror, let you spend real money in the store to buy however many crowns you need. So absolutely no need to sub.
I'll be subbing X 2.
Because I'm rich & DGAF.
Congrats, Ryan! It took you a while but you've now joined the rational ESO player community.
You see this is a B2P game. And unlike F2P games, this one genuinely lets you play 100% of the whole un-crippled game without paying anything else once you buy the "box."
I unsubbed a few months back and have continued to play it every day since. It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the devs are catering to me or ignoring me to focus on the console launch nor their communication habits... it's the game you see: I like it... so I play it.
There is no "I like this game so I will give them $15 every month even though I don't have to and this makes me a true fan" except in some deluded minds... there is only B2P + fluff.
Once there is DLC to either buy outright or have access to it by subbing, I'll revisit my sub decision.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
The OP has had "beer goggles" for ESO since day one. Remember that classic weekly video he used to do, "This Week in ESO?". Well we know now what happened last week with Ryan and ESO.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
They are porting the game to two different consoles and have to ensure they run properly on two different consoles. Stop with the doom and gloom of the PC version in favor of the console version. ZoS is not neglecting or abandoning the PC version. Once the console version launches everything will be back to normal and the PC will get all the content first. Stop whining.
It happens with every PC mmo that ends up being ported to consoles. If they dont update simultaneously then the PC always gets the updates first. The most notable example is Warframe. Yes, a free to play game. Even with a lot more people playing on console it still gets all the updates and new content on PC first.
SONY and MICROSOFT only give approval for their own consoles' versions. PC updates wont be delayed or affected by that, they dont have power over the PC version of the game. The only exception would be if ZoS accepts money from Sony and MS to delay the PC version and i doubt ZoS would put their reputation and integrity on the line.
Just my opinion, i could be totally wrong. But stop whining about it. Even if the PC updates get delayed, just cancel your sub and play without it until updates land on your platform of choice.
There is none. For a F2P game with optional subscription there is zero reason to pay for a sub. Hell the micro transactions are fairly bad. Do not understand how they make money on this game.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Not only did I cancel my subscription, but I deleted all my characters beforehand, just to make sure I wasn't tempted to go back.
Unfortunately that WAS the industry standard up until 2010 or so. Today's standard is either F2P(mostly) or B2P with cash shops. It's the reason why the industry is flooded with F2P copy-cat crap games and why in 2015 we still see games like EoS or Cabal II coming out. Today's dev studios are forced to go the F2P way because with so much competition around they want to give the easiest access to players in order to grab as much clients they can as fast as they can. Heck that's the reason all the major MMO releases of the last 4-5 years, while started with the old box price/sub model, were quickly forced to transition: Swtor, ESO, WS, DCUO, TSW, Rift, Tera etc. It's not because they were bad games, on the contrary, it's just beacuse every kid today without the patience to wait for a bus in a station for 5 mins, gets into a game and after 1-2 hours yells how much said game sucks and then off he goes to the next free game to start over. It's sad but that's the reality of the MMORPG world today.
"As of right now, ESO is not worth the $15 optional fee. Perhaps when we see the first DLC drop and the price gets listed in the crown store, maybe then the fee will have some value. But until then, I’ll be keeping my money in my pocket."
I couldn't agree more. Right now ESO is still the same game as it was at release and there's no reason to buy the sub, unless you want to get crowns cheaply to buy all from the crown store. By the time the first DLC will appear (my guess is 6 months from console release), the game might be worth to sub to IF the DLC is added to the crown store. If the DLC can only be bought with regular money and it's only $30 or so I'd rather buy it then just sub.
I just cancelled my ESO sub yesterday. I have 6700 Crowns and nothing I want to buy in the Crown Shop. I'm sick of AvA and the VR leveling scheme. I agree that it's definitely worth the box price, especially if you get it on sale (Steam summer sale should be coming up), but I don't see any reason to sub.
And I don't need to feel loyal to ZOS or "support" them any more than I have over the past year (I'm a sucker) because I'm pretty sure they don't give a flying flock about me or their other PC players.
"my biggest reason for canceling is I don’t feel the game is worth my subscription fee at this time."
I never saw enough in it to subscribe at all!
The problem with that business model is that unless something in there is a must have, or give you a competitive advantage, there is no reason to subscribe other than blind loyalty to the company/genre/being a fanboy.
No one wants pay to win, but people want others to buy/play/subscribe to/support the game so that it doesn't become worthless for them to play.
There really is no middle ground, as this is a prime example of a worthless subscription.
I can't understand why anyone would literally throw money down the toilet on ESO's subscription.
Many reasons why the ESO Plus membership is not worth it. Read the companies forums to see for yourself. Well now you will have to hunt for the free independent thought and not fanboi adulating posts as zos likes to either move them to other parts of the forums/sub forum/ they hate goodbye posts and run the forums like Nazi's./ They stifle free speech and so forth. Mods, admins are jerks. They delete topics about real game breaking bugs. They engage in deceptive business and marketing practices and wrap it up in a layer of legalese to the customer. Once your money leaves your wallet you will get less than what you paid for. And they make no bones about changing their mind on anything after the money has changed hands. The cash shop is a joke, It has nothing of any real game value. They undercut the players markets in game by offering items that used to be only acquirable in game Armor Motifs and Pots, Soul Gems. No apologies no warnings its bend over take it and like it.
Console players get ready for the Anal Job of a lifetime.
Good on you OP for seeing the light. This person will never buy any Zenicrax Media product again.
Sabaticus read your EULA its zenimax's game you are a revenue stream nothing more.
Darksworn you are correct
Nighthaven it will become more painful for console.
It will not improve as the devs seemed to have lost touch with A. reality and B. their fanbase
Anyone remember the big guild meet pre 1.6 when we said ZOS if you do this it will break that? well they did it and they broke it. Every day on the eso forums it seems a new goodbye post pops up from a long time player. Or a hey we need content post yes 10 months no new content. Delay ,deny,deceive, find loophole ZOS business and customer relations strategy.
You don't "rent" it. If you have a sub and the DLC is released while that month you payed you get the DLC.... if you sub runs out after that DLC was released but was active when it was released.... you still have that DLC. it doesn't just switch over to where you have to "buy" it again. All DLC's are FREE to payed Subscribers. All players not paying a sub have to BUY the DLC.
Because people like the game and they want to show support buy giving money to the company. It's no different than people who donate money to streamers, which I find a waste. Yet people like you call a legitimate reason to give money to a game company so they continue to run it on their servers a waste.... sigh
Zenimax won't be focusing on the next ES title, Bethesda will. Don't confuse the two companies. Yes, Zenimax owns both Zenimax Online (ESO) and Bethesda ( TES series, Fallout, ect), but they are not the same.